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  • straw_marmot
    I m totally in agreement with this. In fact, after testing out my rain kilt this last week, I m going one step further - NO PANTS! Normal hiking will be light
    Message 1 of 7 , Aug 23, 2013
      I'm totally in agreement with this. In fact, after testing out my rain kilt this last week, I'm going one step further - NO PANTS!

      Normal hiking will be light running shorts or boxer briefs that dry in minutes.
      Light rain showers in warm weather, I just get wet.
      More sustained or cooler rain, rain kilt over shorts (still bare legs).
      And instead of any kind of long pants, I'm taking midweight long johns, at 5oz. These will be great for evenings in camp and cold nights, and will go on for hiking on the few occasions when I absolutely need something to cover my legs (summiting Whitney and high passes in cold & wind).

      I overheat so quickly in rain pants that I think I'm going to get far more utility out of a combination of stuff that dries very fast, rain kilt for rain & long johns for warmth.

      The one thing that this leaves me exposed to: I have nothing to cope with long bouts of sustained freezing rain. This is certainly possible in September, but unlikely enough that I'll take that chance. I have a 20deg bag and an extra day's food, and always the option of just sitting in my tent for a day in the worst case.


      --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, John Ladd <johnladd@...> wrote:
      > Why any pants other than rain pants? Rain pants serve all functions. Hike
      > in shorts and baselayer. If it's cold, put on the rain pants. They also
      > 1) protect in rain
      > 2) as noted, protect from cold
      > 3) they protect from hard, cold wind, sleet and hail (not all that uncommon
      > in September)
      > 4) on cold, dry nights (and the coldest nights are dry) you can wear them
      > inside the sleeping bag and they add a tom of warmth by acting as a vapor
      > barrier
      > 5) for modesty while washing all other lower half clothing
      > If you don't blister easily, you could go with just trail runners. The main
      > problems is that if you get several continuous days of rain, your feet will
      > get wet (water entry at the tops) and you may develop blisters. The stream
      > crossings should not be problematic this time of the year, though it is
      > possible that rain will swell them. But the rain will make your runners wet
      > anyway, so if you can walk for several days in wet footwear without
      > blistering, just the one pair is fine. I like dry feet, so I bring
      > waterproof boots, gaiters and rainpants to keep them dry in the rain and
      > Crocs for crossings. But there is the other approach for tough feet. Do
      > remember that blisters are a common cause of bailouts.
      > John Curran Ladd
      > 1616 Castro Street
      > San Francisco, CA 94114-3707
      > 415-648-9279
      > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:37 PM, scott_p_krueger <skrueger@...> wrote:
      > > **
      > >
      > >
      > > As I'm crunching the numbers and looking through my full gear list, I spot
      > > a couple of items that I am very tempted to leave behind simply to save the
      > > weight. I would be curious to hear what people have to say:
      > >
      > > Camp/Water Shoes -- I currently have a pair of sandals that weigh about
      > > 18oz total. I'm tempted to ditch them all together and just use my trail
      > > runners all the time (Saucony Exodus ProGrid 3.0).
      > >
      > > Camp Pants -- I currently have one pair of convertibles for use on the
      > > trail, and then a pair of pants for camp (Columbia Silver Ridge pants,
      > > ~11oz). I'm tempted to ditch the "camp pants" and just use the convertibles
      > > all the time. I would pack a pair of soccer shorts for those times where I
      > > need to wash/dry the pants.
      > >
      > > Thoughts?
      > >
      > > Scott
      > >
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