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  • Barbara Karagosian
    Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on a sore knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One doc says they re
    Message 1 of 24 , Jan 28, 2009
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      Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on a sore
      knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One doc says
      they're purely "psychological" and heat up the knee versus cooling it.
      Another says go head wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace wrap. I
      figure it's better to ask those who know from experience. Thanks, Barbara



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    • jim.ennis
      Barbara: It really depends on how unstable your knee feels to you while you re hiking. If it tends to wobble and feel like it could go out on you at any
      Message 2 of 24 , Jan 28, 2009
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        Barbara:
        It really depends on how unstable your knee feels to you while you're
        hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it could go out on you
        at any moment, then I would recommend a brace that has some "stays" on
        the sides of the support. This provides the "side-to-side" stability
        that you have lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this type
        of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart carries a good one. Try to
        avoid one that has an inner elastic "sock" as this can be too
        restrictive for both movement and blood flow.
        Jim
        --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Karagosian"
        <barbara@...> wrote:
        >
        > Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on a sore
        > knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One
        doc says
        > they're purely "psychological" and heat up the knee versus cooling it.
        > Another says go head wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace wrap. I
        > figure it's better to ask those who know from experience. Thanks,
        Barbara
        >
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
      • Barbara Karagosian
        Thanks for the suggestion, I will check it out - I agree about the inner sock, I think that s a rapid route to a clot in the leg! Barbara _____ From:
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          Thanks for the suggestion, I will check it out - I agree about the inner
          sock, I think that's a rapid route to a clot in the leg! Barbara



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          From: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com]
          On Behalf Of jim.ennis
          Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:23 PM
          To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace



          Barbara:
          It really depends on how unstable your knee feels to you while you're
          hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it could go out on you
          at any moment, then I would recommend a brace that has some "stays" on
          the sides of the support. This provides the "side-to-side" stability
          that you have lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this type
          of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart carries a good one. Try to
          avoid one that has an inner elastic "sock" as this can be too
          restrictive for both movement and blood flow.
          Jim
          --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>
          yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Karagosian"
          <barbara@...> wrote:
          >
          > Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on a sore
          > knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One
          doc says
          > they're purely "psychological" and heat up the knee versus cooling it.
          > Another says go head wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace wrap. I
          > figure it's better to ask those who know from experience. Thanks,
          Barbara
          >
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >





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        • song95139@sbcglobal.net
          Barbara, I sprained my knee while on a Rae Lakes Loop hike.  The knee although healed after some months, it never felt the same.  Then I got some knee brace
          Message 4 of 24 , Jan 28, 2009
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            Barbara,

            I sprained my knee while on a Rae Lakes Loop hike.  The knee although healed after some months, it never felt the same.  Then I got some knee brace from Longs Drugs and tried them hiking.  If you will have to, try different designs to determine the ones with the best fit for you.  I hiked the whole JMT with knee brace last year and felt totally comfortable.

            I recommend to protect your knee with braces regardless of you having good knee or bad knee.  It offers additional protection, keep your knees warm, and less chance of injury especially on such a long hike.  The last thing you want to have is a pair of hurting knee on your hike.

            The down side is the additional weight on your legs, some movement restrictions, and constrictions if it is too tight.  The later can be resolved if you get the ones with velcro that makes it adjustable.

            Highly recommend knee brace.

            Sim

            --- On Wed, 1/28/09, jim.ennis <ulhiker1@...> wrote:
            From: jim.ennis <ulhiker1@...>
            Subject: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace
            To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 4:23 PM











            Barbara:

            It really depends on how unstable your knee feels to you while you're

            hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it could go out on you

            at any moment, then I would recommend a brace that has some "stays" on

            the sides of the support. This provides the "side-to-side" stability

            that you have lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this type

            of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart carries a good one. Try to

            avoid one that has an inner elastic "sock" as this can be too

            restrictive for both movement and blood flow.

            Jim

            --- In johnmuirtrail@ yahoogroups. com, "Barbara Karagosian"

            <barbara@... > wrote:

            >

            > Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on a sore

            > knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One

            doc says

            > they're purely "psychological" and heat up the knee versus cooling it.

            > Another says go head wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace wrap. I

            > figure it's better to ask those who know from experience. Thanks,

            Barbara

            >

            >

            >

            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

            >


























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          • hmdsierra
            When we did JMT in 82 my friend dropped out at Red s Mdw because his kned gave him trouble on the descent from Donahue Pass. He was only able to make it to
            Message 5 of 24 , Jan 29, 2009
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              When we did JMT in '82 my friend dropped out at Red's Mdw because his
              kned gave him trouble on the descent from Donahue Pass. He was only
              able to make it to Red's because he had a brace with him. He thought
              two weeks would heal it and he planned on rejoining us at Vidette Mdw.
              He and his wife resupplied us but he didn't finish with up. Just
              before he picked us up at Whitney Portal he went to the doctor and was
              gived a simple brace. On subsequent trips he wore braces on both knees.

              --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, "jim.ennis" <ulhiker1@...> wrote:
              >
              > Barbara:
              > It really depends on how unstable your knee feels to you while you're
              > hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it could go out on you
              > at any moment, then I would recommend a brace that has some "stays" on
              > the sides of the support. This provides the "side-to-side" stability
              > that you have lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this type
              > of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart carries a good one. Try to
              > avoid one that has an inner elastic "sock" as this can be too
              > restrictive for both movement and blood flow.
              > Jim
              > --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Karagosian"
              > <barbara@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on
              a sore
              > > knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One
              > doc says
              > > they're purely "psychological" and heat up the knee versus cooling it.
              > > Another says go head wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace
              wrap. I
              > > figure it's better to ask those who know from experience. Thanks,
              > Barbara
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > >
              >
            • Barbara Karagosian
              I think I ll be taking braces with me for both knees - now to find an ultra-light version, ha ha _____ From: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
              Message 6 of 24 , Jan 29, 2009
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                I think I'll be taking braces with me for both knees - now to find an
                ultra-light version, ha ha



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                From: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com]
                On Behalf Of hmdsierra
                Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:14 AM
                To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace



                When we did JMT in '82 my friend dropped out at Red's Mdw because his
                kned gave him trouble on the descent from Donahue Pass. He was only
                able to make it to Red's because he had a brace with him. He thought
                two weeks would heal it and he planned on rejoining us at Vidette Mdw.
                He and his wife resupplied us but he didn't finish with up. Just
                before he picked us up at Whitney Portal he went to the doctor and was
                gived a simple brace. On subsequent trips he wore braces on both knees.

                --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>
                yahoogroups.com, "jim.ennis" <ulhiker1@...> wrote:
                >
                > Barbara:
                > It really depends on how unstable your knee feels to you while you're
                > hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it could go out on you
                > at any moment, then I would recommend a brace that has some "stays" on
                > the sides of the support. This provides the "side-to-side" stability
                > that you have lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this type
                > of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart carries a good one. Try to
                > avoid one that has an inner elastic "sock" as this can be too
                > restrictive for both movement and blood flow.
                > Jim
                > --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>
                yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Karagosian"
                > <barbara@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on
                a sore
                > > knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One
                > doc says
                > > they're purely "psychological" and heat up the knee versus cooling it.
                > > Another says go head wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace
                wrap. I
                > > figure it's better to ask those who know from experience. Thanks,
                > Barbara
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > >
                >





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              • The Incredible Bulk
                I have right knee pain. Started at the beginning of December, and became bad when I was at the bottom of the grand Canyon. Haven t hiked from New Years up
                Message 7 of 24 , Jan 29, 2009
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                  I have right knee pain. Started at the beginning of December, and became bad when I was at the bottom of the grand Canyon. Haven't hiked from New Years up until this past weekend due to the pain and concern that I may be doing more damage. I decided this past weekend that I needed to hike. So I bought an elastic Ace bandage. Initially, the pain subsided. I have pain only when hiking on the flats and downhills. Uphill, there is no pain. Thankfully, at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, I was looking at 9+ miles of uphill, but that is another story.

                  Does anyone on the list know what knee injury would not cause pain hiking uphill section?

                  In any event, I see the orthopedic Dr. next Monday. Finally. It is hard to get timely appts. for specialists in the LA area.

                  Tom
                  The Incredible Bulk



                  ---- Barbara Karagosian <barbara@...> wrote:

                  =============
                  I think I'll be taking braces with me for both knees - now to find an
                  ultra-light version, ha ha



                  _____

                  From: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com]
                  On Behalf Of hmdsierra
                  Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:14 AM
                  To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace



                  When we did JMT in '82 my friend dropped out at Red's Mdw because his
                  kned gave him trouble on the descent from Donahue Pass. He was only
                  able to make it to Red's because he had a brace with him. He thought
                  two weeks would heal it and he planned on rejoining us at Vidette Mdw.
                  He and his wife resupplied us but he didn't finish with up. Just
                  before he picked us up at Whitney Portal he went to the doctor and was
                  gived a simple brace. On subsequent trips he wore braces on both knees.

                  --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>
                  yahoogroups.com, "jim.ennis" <ulhiker1@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Barbara:
                  > It really depends on how unstable your knee feels to you while you're
                  > hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it could go out on you
                  > at any moment, then I would recommend a brace that has some "stays" on
                  > the sides of the support. This provides the "side-to-side" stability
                  > that you have lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this type
                  > of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart carries a good one. Try to
                  > avoid one that has an inner elastic "sock" as this can be too
                  > restrictive for both movement and blood flow.
                  > Jim
                  > --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>
                  yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Karagosian"
                  > <barbara@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on
                  a sore
                  > > knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One
                  > doc says
                  > > they're purely "psychological" and heat up the knee versus cooling it.
                  > > Another says go head wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace
                  wrap. I
                  > > figure it's better to ask those who know from experience. Thanks,
                  > Barbara
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  > >
                  >





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                • robert shattuck
                  Tom, I m only taking a guess and a giggle here, since you re looking for medical opinions on the handy JMT site, but could your knee problems and possible cure
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                    Tom, I'm only taking a guess and a giggle here, since you're looking for medical opinions on the handy JMT site, but could your knee problems and possible cure have to do with, your "incredible bulk" . . . maybe I missed it somewhere and this possibility was covered. Nevertheless, if you're not able to see your knees, maybe your doctor will point this one out as a probable cause/fix to your knee problems. maybe. Bobsparklefart.blogspot.comhttp://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.comCC: barbara@...: taterno@...: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:11:27 -0800Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace


















                    I have right knee pain. Started at the beginning of December, and became bad when I was at the bottom of the grand Canyon. Haven't hiked from New Years up until this past weekend due to the pain and concern that I may be doing more damage. I decided this past weekend that I needed to hike. So I bought an elastic Ace bandage. Initially, the pain subsided. I have pain only when hiking on the flats and downhills. Uphill, there is no pain. Thankfully, at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, I was looking at 9+ miles of uphill, but that is another story.

                    Does anyone on the list know what knee injury would not cause pain hiking uphill section?

                    In any event, I see the orthopedic Dr. next Monday. Finally. It is hard to get timely appts. for specialists in the LA area.

                    Tom
                    The Incredible Bulk

                    ---- Barbara Karagosian <barbara@...> wrote:

                    =============
                    I think I'll be taking braces with me for both knees - now to find an
                    ultra-light version, ha ha

                    _____

                    From: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com]
                    On Behalf Of hmdsierra
                    Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:14 AM
                    To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace

                    When we did JMT in '82 my friend dropped out at Red's Mdw because his
                    kned gave him trouble on the descent from Donahue Pass. He was only
                    able to make it to Red's because he had a brace with him. He thought
                    two weeks would heal it and he planned on rejoining us at Vidette Mdw.
                    He and his wife resupplied us but he didn't finish with up. Just
                    before he picked us up at Whitney Portal he went to the doctor and was
                    gived a simple brace. On subsequent trips he wore braces on both knees.

                    --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>
                    yahoogroups.com, "jim.ennis" <ulhiker1@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Barbara:
                    > It really depends on how unstable your knee feels to you while you're
                    > hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it could go out on you
                    > at any moment, then I would recommend a brace that has some "stays" on
                    > the sides of the support. This provides the "side-to-side" stability
                    > that you have lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this type
                    > of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart carries a good one. Try to
                    > avoid one that has an inner elastic "sock" as this can be too
                    > restrictive for both movement and blood flow.
                    > Jim
                    > --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>
                    yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Karagosian"
                    > <barbara@> wrote:
                    >>
                    >> Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on
                    a sore
                    >> knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One
                    > doc says
                    >> they're purely "psychological" and heat up the knee versus cooling it.
                    >> Another says go head wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace
                    wrap. I
                    >> figure it's better to ask those who know from experience. Thanks,
                    > Barbara
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >>
                    >

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                  • The Incredible Bulk
                    Yes, I am bulky, ergo the trail name. But I have lost a lot of weight in the past year, through diet and exercise. Specifically, I lost nearly 80 lbs since
                    Message 9 of 24 , Jan 29, 2009
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                      Yes, I am bulky, ergo the trail name. But I have lost a lot of weight in the past year, through diet and exercise. Specifically, I lost nearly 80 lbs since February 2008. I am still have a few more lbs to loose, but this knee problem is holding up progress.

                      I received a call from my Dr a few minutes ago, and there is a cancelation today, so I will get to see him today, and start on the road to recovery for this year's hiking season. It actually feels like my left knee did in 2005, where I needed arthroscopic surgery for a torn meniscus. I hiked on it last night, and it is good and swollen.

                      Will know by 6 PM tonight what is wrong, as long an an MRI is not called for.

                      Tom
                      The Incredibly shrinking Bulk



                      ---- robert shattuck <bobolonius@...> wrote:

                      =============

                      Tom, I'm only taking a guess and a giggle here, since you're looking for medical opinions on the handy JMT site, but could your knee problems and possible cure have to do with, your "incredible bulk" . . . maybe I missed it somewhere and this possibility was covered. Nevertheless, if you're not able to see your knees, maybe your doctor will point this one out as a probable cause/fix to your knee problems. maybe. Bobsparklefart.blogspot.comhttp://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.comCC: barbara@...: taterno@...: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:11:27 -0800Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace


















                      I have right knee pain. Started at the beginning of December, and became bad when I was at the bottom of the grand Canyon. Haven't hiked from New Years up until this past weekend due to the pain and concern that I may be doing more damage. I decided this past weekend that I needed to hike. So I bought an elastic Ace bandage. Initially, the pain subsided. I have pain only when hiking on the flats and downhills. Uphill, there is no pain. Thankfully, at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, I was looking at 9+ miles of uphill, but that is another story.

                      Does anyone on the list know what knee injury would not cause pain hiking uphill section?

                      In any event, I see the orthopedic Dr. next Monday. Finally. It is hard to get timely appts. for specialists in the LA area.

                      Tom
                      The Incredible Bulk

                      ---- Barbara Karagosian <barbara@...> wrote:

                      =============
                      I think I'll be taking braces with me for both knees - now to find an
                      ultra-light version, ha ha

                      _____

                      From: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com]
                      On Behalf Of hmdsierra
                      Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:14 AM
                      To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace

                      When we did JMT in '82 my friend dropped out at Red's Mdw because his
                      kned gave him trouble on the descent from Donahue Pass. He was only
                      able to make it to Red's because he had a brace with him. He thought
                      two weeks would heal it and he planned on rejoining us at Vidette Mdw.
                      He and his wife resupplied us but he didn't finish with up. Just
                      before he picked us up at Whitney Portal he went to the doctor and was
                      gived a simple brace. On subsequent trips he wore braces on both knees.

                      --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>
                      yahoogroups.com, "jim.ennis" <ulhiker1@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Barbara:
                      > It really depends on how unstable your knee feels to you while you're
                      > hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it could go out on you
                      > at any moment, then I would recommend a brace that has some "stays" on
                      > the sides of the support. This provides the "side-to-side" stability
                      > that you have lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this type
                      > of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart carries a good one. Try to
                      > avoid one that has an inner elastic "sock" as this can be too
                      > restrictive for both movement and blood flow.
                      > Jim
                      > --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>
                      yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Karagosian"
                      > <barbara@> wrote:
                      >>
                      >> Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on
                      a sore
                      >> knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One
                      > doc says
                      >> they're purely "psychological" and heat up the knee versus cooling it.
                      >> Another says go head wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace
                      wrap. I
                      >> figure it's better to ask those who know from experience. Thanks,
                      > Barbara
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >>
                      >

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                    • robert shattuck
                      80 pounds! my knees go out to you. Hang in there and keep the Leki s handy. Lose another 80. I d think weight loss before surgery of any kind would benefit you
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                        80 pounds! my knees go out to you. Hang in there and keep the Leki's handy. Lose another 80. I'd think weight loss before surgery of any kind would benefit you more. People always seem to be timid after surgery.bobsparklefart.blogspot.comhttp://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:22:34 -0800> From: taterno@...> To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace> CC: bobolonius@...> > Yes, I am bulky, ergo the trail name. But I have lost a lot of weight in the past year, through diet and exercise. Specifically, I lost nearly 80 lbs since February 2008. I am still have a few more lbs to loose, but this knee problem is holding up progress. > > I received a call from my Dr a few minutes ago, and there is a cancelation today, so I will get to see him today, and start on the road to recovery for this year's hiking season. It actually feels like my left knee did in 2005, where I needed arthroscopic surgery for a torn meniscus. I hiked on it last night, and it is good and swollen. > > Will know by 6 PM tonight what is wrong, as long an an MRI is not called for.> > Tom> The Incredibly shrinking Bulk> > > > ---- robert shattuck <bobolonius@...> wrote: > > =============> > Tom, I'm only taking a guess and a giggle here, since you're looking for medical opinions on the handy JMT site, but could your knee problems and possible cure have to do with, your "incredible bulk" . . . maybe I missed it somewhere and this possibility was covered. Nevertheless, if you're not able to see your knees, maybe your doctor will point this one out as a probable cause/fix to your knee problems. maybe. Bobsparklefart.blogspot.comhttp://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.comCC: barbara@...: taterno@...: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:11:27 -0800Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have right knee pain. Started at the beginning of December, and became bad when I was at the bottom of the grand Canyon. Haven't hiked from New Years up until this past weekend due to the pain and concern that I may be doing more damage. I decided this past weekend that I needed to hike. So I bought an elastic Ace bandage. Initially, the pain subsided. I have pain only when hiking on the flats and downhills. Uphill, there is no pain. Thankfully, at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, I was looking at 9+ miles of uphill, but that is another story. > > Does anyone on the list know what knee injury would not cause pain hiking uphill section?> > In any event, I see the orthopedic Dr. next Monday. Finally. It is hard to get timely appts. for specialists in the LA area.> > Tom> The Incredible Bulk> > ---- Barbara Karagosian <barbara@...> wrote: > > =============> I think I'll be taking braces with me for both knees - now to find an> ultra-light version, ha ha > > _____ > > From: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com]> On Behalf Of hmdsierra> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:14 AM> To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace> > When we did JMT in '82 my friend dropped out at Red's Mdw because his> kned gave him trouble on the descent from Donahue Pass. He was only> able to make it to Red's because he had a brace with him. He thought> two weeks would heal it and he planned on rejoining us at Vidette Mdw.> He and his wife resupplied us but he didn't finish with up. Just> before he picked us up at Whitney Portal he went to the doctor and was> gived a simple brace. On subsequent trips he wore braces on both knees. > > --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>> yahoogroups.com, "jim.ennis" <ulhiker1@...> wrote:>>>> Barbara:>> It really depends on how unstable your knee feels to you while you're>> hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it could go out on you>> at any moment, then I would recommend a brace that has some "stays" on>> the sides of the support. This provides the "side-to-side" stability>> that you have lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this type>> of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart carries a good one. Try to>> avoid one that has an inner elastic "sock" as this can be too>> restrictive for both movement and blood flow.>> Jim>> --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>> yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Karagosian">> <barbara@> wrote:>>>>>> Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on> a sore>>> knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One>> doc says>>> they're purely "psychological" and heat up the knee versus cooling it.>>> Another says go head wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace> wrap. I>>> figure it's better to ask those who know from experience. Thanks,>> Barbara>>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>>>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________> Hotmail® goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> >
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                      • Steve Schauer
                        What you get from hiking in the Grand Canyon is the Kaibab shuffle so called because you see folks painfully moving those last miles down the steep south
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                          What you get from hiking in the Grand Canyon is "the Kaibab shuffle" so called because you see folks painfully moving those last miles down the steep south Kaibab trail. It is tendonitis of the iliac-tibial tendon, a big tendon sheath that goes from iliac crest (hip) down to the top of your lower leg (tibia), below the knee, on the outside. It really hurts with every step downhill or flat. The Grand Canyon is just a lot of very steep, relentless, downhill. Advil or ibuprofen, taken a day before and during your hike, might prevent this. Certainly helps if you get it! Does this sound like what you had?


                          --- On Thu, 1/29/09, robert shattuck <bobolonius@...> wrote:

                          > From: robert shattuck <bobolonius@...>
                          > Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace
                          > To: taterno@..., johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
                          > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 9:27 AM
                          > 80 pounds! my knees go out to you. Hang in there and keep
                          > the Leki's handy. Lose another 80. I'd think weight
                          > loss before surgery of any kind would benefit you more.
                          > People always seem to be timid after
                          > surgery.bobsparklefart.blogspot.comhttp://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480>
                          > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:22:34 -0800> From:
                          > taterno@...> To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com>
                          > Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace> CC:
                          > bobolonius@...> > Yes, I am bulky, ergo the
                          > trail name. But I have lost a lot of weight in the past
                          > year, through diet and exercise. Specifically, I lost
                          > nearly 80 lbs since February 2008. I am still have a few
                          > more lbs to loose, but this knee problem is holding up
                          > progress. > > I received a call from my Dr a few
                          > minutes ago, and there is a cancelation today, so I will get
                          > to see him today, and start on the road to recovery for this
                          > year's hiking season. It actually feels like my left
                          > knee did in 2005, where I needed arthroscopic surgery for a
                          > torn meniscus. I hiked on it last night, and it is good and
                          > swollen. > > Will know by 6 PM tonight what is
                          > wrong, as long an an MRI is not called for.> > Tom>
                          > The Incredibly shrinking Bulk> > > > ---- robert
                          > shattuck <bobolonius@...> wrote: > >
                          > =============> > Tom, I'm only taking a guess and
                          > a giggle here, since you're looking for medical opinions
                          > on the handy JMT site, but could your knee problems and
                          > possible cure have to do with, your "incredible
                          > bulk" . . . maybe I missed it somewhere and this
                          > possibility was covered. Nevertheless, if you're not
                          > able to see your knees, maybe your doctor will point this
                          > one out as a probable cause/fix to your knee problems.
                          > maybe.
                          > Bobsparklefart.blogspot.comhttp://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480To:
                          > johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.comCC: barbara@...:
                          > taterno@...: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:11:27 -0800Subject:
                          > RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace> > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > I have right knee pain. Started
                          > at the beginning of December, and became bad when I was at
                          > the bottom of the grand Canyon. Haven't hiked from New
                          > Years up until this past weekend due to the pain and concern
                          > that I may be doing more damage. I decided this past
                          > weekend that I needed to hike. So I bought an elastic Ace
                          > bandage. Initially, the pain subsided. I have pain only
                          > when hiking on the flats and downhills. Uphill, there is no
                          > pain. Thankfully, at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, I was
                          > looking at 9+ miles of uphill, but that is another story.
                          > > > Does anyone on the list know what knee injury
                          > would not cause pain hiking uphill section?> > In any
                          > event, I see the orthopedic Dr. next Monday. Finally. It
                          > is hard to get timely appts. for specialists in the LA
                          > area.> > Tom> The Incredible Bulk> > ----
                          > Barbara Karagosian <barbara@...> wrote: > >
                          > =============> I think I'll be taking braces with me
                          > for both knees - now to find an> ultra-light version, ha
                          > ha > > _____ > > From:
                          > johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
                          > [mailto:johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com]> On Behalf Of
                          > hmdsierra> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:14 AM>
                          > To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [John Muir
                          > Trail] Re: knee brace> > When we did JMT in '82 my
                          > friend dropped out at Red's Mdw because his> kned
                          > gave him trouble on the descent from Donahue Pass. He was
                          > only> able to make it to Red's because he had a brace
                          > with him. He thought> two weeks would heal it and he
                          > planned on rejoining us at Vidette Mdw.> He and his wife
                          > resupplied us but he didn't finish with up. Just>
                          > before he picked us up at Whitney Portal he went to the
                          > doctor and was> gived a simple brace. On subsequent trips
                          > he wore braces on both knees. > > --- In
                          > johnmuirtrail@
                          > <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>>
                          > yahoogroups.com, "jim.ennis" <ulhiker1@...>
                          > wrote:>>>> Barbara:>> It really depends on
                          > how unstable your knee feels to you while you're>>
                          > hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it
                          > could go out on you>> at any moment, then I would
                          > recommend a brace that has some "stays" on>>
                          > the sides of the support. This provides the
                          > "side-to-side" stability>> that you have
                          > lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this
                          > type>> of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart
                          > carries a good one. Try to>> avoid one that has an
                          > inner elastic "sock" as this can be too>>
                          > restrictive for both movement and blood flow.>>
                          > Jim>> --- In johnmuirtrail@
                          > <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>>
                          > yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Karagosian">>
                          > <barbara@> wrote:>>>>>> Any opinions
                          > from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on> a
                          > sore>>> knee (medial collateral ligament sprain)
                          > whilst thru hiking? One>> doc says>>>
                          > they're purely "psychological" and heat up the
                          > knee versus cooling it.>>> Another says go head
                          > wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace> wrap.
                          > I>>> figure it's better to ask those who know
                          > from experience. Thanks,>> Barbara>>>
                          > >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of
                          > this message have been removed]>>>>>> >
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                        • Derek Peters
                          Well congrat s on the weight loss. One of the other great perk of getting outdoors. Derek ________________________________ From: The Incredible Bulk
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                            Well congrat's on the weight loss. One of the other great perk of getting outdoors.
                            Derek




                            ________________________________
                            From: The Incredible Bulk <taterno@...>
                            To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
                            Cc: robert shattuck <bobolonius@...>
                            Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:22:34 AM
                            Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace


                            Yes, I am bulky, ergo the trail name. But I have lost a lot of weight in the past year, through diet and exercise. Specifically, I lost nearly 80 lbs since February 2008. I am still have a few more lbs to loose, but this knee problem is holding up progress.

                            I received a call from my Dr a few minutes ago, and there is a cancelation today, so I will get to see him today, and start on the road to recovery for this year's hiking season. It actually feels like my left knee did in 2005, where I needed arthroscopic surgery for a torn meniscus. I hiked on it last night, and it is good and swollen.

                            Will know by 6 PM tonight what is wrong, as long an an MRI is not called for.

                            Tom
                            The Incredibly shrinking Bulk

                            ---- robert shattuck <bobolonius@hotmail. com> wrote:

                            ============ =

                            Tom, I'm only taking a guess and a giggle here, since you're looking for medical opinions on the handy JMT site, but could your knee problems and possible cure have to do with, your "incredible bulk" . . . maybe I missed it somewhere and this possibility was covered. Nevertheless, if you're not able to see your knees, maybe your doctor will point this one out as a probable cause/fix to your knee problems. maybe. Bobsparklefart. blogspot. comhttp:/ /www.summitpost. org/plans/ view_activity. php?post_ id=6480To: johnmuirtrail@ yahoogroups. comCC: barbara@mkpe. comFrom: taterno@cox. netDate: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:11:27 -0800Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace

                            I have right knee pain. Started at the beginning of December, and became bad when I was at the bottom of the grand Canyon. Haven't hiked from New Years up until this past weekend due to the pain and concern that I may be doing more damage. I decided this past weekend that I needed to hike. So I bought an elastic Ace bandage. Initially, the pain subsided. I have pain only when hiking on the flats and downhills. Uphill, there is no pain. Thankfully, at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, I was looking at 9+ miles of uphill, but that is another story.

                            Does anyone on the list know what knee injury would not cause pain hiking uphill section?

                            In any event, I see the orthopedic Dr. next Monday. Finally. It is hard to get timely appts. for specialists in the LA area.

                            Tom
                            The Incredible Bulk

                            ---- Barbara Karagosian <barbara@mkpe. com> wrote:

                            ============ =
                            I think I'll be taking braces with me for both knees - now to find an
                            ultra-light version, ha ha

                            _____

                            From: johnmuirtrail@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:johnmuirtrail@ yahoogroups. com]
                            On Behalf Of hmdsierra
                            Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:14 AM
                            To: johnmuirtrail@ yahoogroups. com
                            Subject: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace

                            When we did JMT in '82 my friend dropped out at Red's Mdw because his
                            kned gave him trouble on the descent from Donahue Pass. He was only
                            able to make it to Red's because he had a brace with him. He thought
                            two weeks would heal it and he planned on rejoining us at Vidette Mdw.
                            He and his wife resupplied us but he didn't finish with up. Just
                            before he picked us up at Whitney Portal he went to the doctor and was
                            gived a simple brace. On subsequent trips he wore braces on both knees.

                            --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtra il%40yahoogroups .com>
                            yahoogroups. com, "jim.ennis" <ulhiker1@.. .> wrote:
                            >
                            > Barbara:
                            > It really depends on how unstable your knee feels to you while you're
                            > hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it could go out on you
                            > at any moment, then I would recommend a brace that has some "stays" on
                            > the sides of the support. This provides the "side-to-side" stability
                            > that you have lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this type
                            > of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart carries a good one. Try to
                            > avoid one that has an inner elastic "sock" as this can be too
                            > restrictive for both movement and blood flow.
                            > Jim
                            > --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtra il%40yahoogroups .com>
                            yahoogroups. com, "Barbara Karagosian"
                            > <barbara@> wrote:
                            >>
                            >> Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on
                            a sore
                            >> knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One
                            > doc says
                            >> they're purely "psychological" and heat up the knee versus cooling it.
                            >> Another says go head wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace
                            wrap. I
                            >> figure it's better to ask those who know from experience. Thanks,
                            > Barbara
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>
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                            >>
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                          • vmaki@mchsi.com
                            hi. not sure who was having knee pain on decents but not uphill. look up PLICA SYNDROME. sounds to me like that may be the problem....i too have that same
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                              hi. not sure who was having knee pain on decents but not uphill. look up PLICA SYNDROME. sounds to me like that may be the problem....i too have that same pain. went for orthscopy surgery in oct. of 07, but still have the pain. doctors refuse to think that is the problem. last year i still went in for cortizone shots and took aleve and extra strength tynenol during major hikes. that works, but hate taking drugs. if the problem still persists this coming year, i plan to get a second opinion from another out of netword provider. hope this helps...vicky------------- Original message from robert shattuck <bobolonius@...>: ------------


                              80 pounds! my knees go out to you. Hang in there and keep the Leki's handy. Lose another 80. I'd think weight loss before surgery of any kind would benefit you more. People always seem to be timid after surgery.bobsparklefart.blogspot.comhttp://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:22:34 -0800> From: taterno@...> To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace> CC: bobolonius@...> > Yes, I am bulky, ergo the trail name. But I have lost a lot of weight in the past year, through diet and exercise. Specifically, I lost nearly 80 lbs since February 2008. I am still have a few more lbs to loose, but this knee problem is holding up progress. > > I received a call from my Dr a few minutes ago, and there is a cancelation today, so I will get to see him today, and start on the road to recovery for this year's hiking season. It actually feels like my left knee did in 2005, where I needed arthroscopic surgery for a torn meniscus. I hiked on it last night, and it is good and swollen. > > Will know by 6 PM tonight what is wrong, as long an an MRI is not called for.> > Tom> The Incredibly shrinking Bulk> > > > ---- robert shattuck <bobolonius@...> wrote: > > =============> > Tom, I'm only taking a guess and a giggle here, since you're looking for medical opinions on the handy JMT site, but could your knee problems and possible cure have to do with, your "incredible bulk" . . . maybe I missed it somewhere and this possibility was covered. Nevertheless, if you're not able to see your knees, maybe your doctor will point this one out as a probable cause/fix to your knee problems. maybe. Bobsparklefart.blogspot.comhttp://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.comCC: barbara@...: taterno@...: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:11:27 -0800Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have right knee pain. Started at the beginning of December, and became bad when I was at the bottom of the grand Canyon. Haven't hiked from New Years up until this past weekend due to the pain and concern that I may be doing more damage. I decided this past weekend that I needed to hike. So I bought an elastic Ace bandage. Initially, the pain subsided. I have pain only when hiking on the flats and downhills. Uphill, there is no pain. Thankfully, at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, I was looking at 9+ miles of uphill, but that is another story. > > Does anyone on the list know what knee injury would not cause pain hiking uphill section?> > In any event, I see the orthopedic Dr. next Monday. Finally. It is hard to get timely appts. for specialists in the LA area.> > Tom> The Incredible Bulk> > ---- Barbara Karagosian <barbara@...> wrote: > > =============> I think I'll be taking braces with me for both knees - now to find an> ultra-light version, ha ha > > _____ > > From: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com]> On Behalf Of hmdsierra> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:14 AM> To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace> > When we did JMT in '82 my friend dropped out at Red's Mdw because his> kned gave him trouble on the descent from Donahue Pass. He was only> able to make it to Red's because he had a brace with him. He thought> two weeks would heal it and he planned on rejoining us at Vidette Mdw.> He and his wife resupplied us but he didn't finish with up. Just> before he picked us up at Whitney Portal he went to the doctor and was> gived a simple brace. On subsequent trips he wore braces on both knees. > > --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>> yahoogroups.com, "jim.ennis" <ulhiker1@...> wrote:>>>> Barbara:>> It really depends on how unstable your knee feels to you while you're>> hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it could go out on you>> at any moment, then I would recommend a brace that has some "stays" on>> the sides of the support. This provides the "side-to-side" stability>> that you have lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this type>> of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart carries a good one. Try to>> avoid one that has an inner elastic "sock" as this can be too>> restrictive for both movement and blood flow.>> Jim>> --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>> yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Karagosian">> <barbara@> wrote:>>>>>> Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on> a sore>>> knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One>> doc says>>> they're purely "psychological" and heat up the knee versus cooling it.>>> Another says go head wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace> wrap. I>>> figure it's better to ask those who know from experience. Thanks,>> Barbara>>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>>>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________> Hotmail�� goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> >
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                            • The Incredible Bulk
                              No, that is not what I have. The pain is centered at the inside of the knee with some pain in the back of the knee. Dr. ordered an MRI. Next week I will
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                                No, that is not what I have. The pain is centered at the inside of the knee with some pain in the back of the knee. Dr. ordered an MRI. Next week I will know the verdict, which if it is the same as my left knee in 2005 (it feels the same) then I will need arthroscopic surgery for torn meniscus. That will mean no backpacking for at least 2 months. It sucks to get old.

                                Tom

                                ---- Steve Schauer <clairehiker@...> wrote:

                                =============
                                What you get from hiking in the Grand Canyon is "the Kaibab shuffle" so called because you see folks painfully moving those last miles down the steep south Kaibab trail. It is tendonitis of the iliac-tibial tendon, a big tendon sheath that goes from iliac crest (hip) down to the top of your lower leg (tibia), below the knee, on the outside. It really hurts with every step downhill or flat. The Grand Canyon is just a lot of very steep, relentless, downhill. Advil or ibuprofen, taken a day before and during your hike, might prevent this. Certainly helps if you get it! Does this sound like what you had?


                                --- On Thu, 1/29/09, robert shattuck <bobolonius@...> wrote:

                                > From: robert shattuck <bobolonius@...>
                                > Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace
                                > To: taterno@..., johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
                                > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 9:27 AM
                                > 80 pounds! my knees go out to you. Hang in there and keep
                                > the Leki's handy. Lose another 80. I'd think weight
                                > loss before surgery of any kind would benefit you more.
                                > People always seem to be timid after
                                > surgery.bobsparklefart.blogspot.comhttp://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480>
                                > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:22:34 -0800> From:
                                > taterno@...> To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com>
                                > Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace> CC:
                                > bobolonius@...> > Yes, I am bulky, ergo the
                                > trail name. But I have lost a lot of weight in the past
                                > year, through diet and exercise. Specifically, I lost
                                > nearly 80 lbs since February 2008. I am still have a few
                                > more lbs to loose, but this knee problem is holding up
                                > progress. > > I received a call from my Dr a few
                                > minutes ago, and there is a cancelation today, so I will get
                                > to see him today, and start on the road to recovery for this
                                > year's hiking season. It actually feels like my left
                                > knee did in 2005, where I needed arthroscopic surgery for a
                                > torn meniscus. I hiked on it last night, and it is good and
                                > swollen. > > Will know by 6 PM tonight what is
                                > wrong, as long an an MRI is not called for.> > Tom>
                                > The Incredibly shrinking Bulk> > > > ---- robert
                                > shattuck <bobolonius@...> wrote: > >
                                > =============> > Tom, I'm only taking a guess and
                                > a giggle here, since you're looking for medical opinions
                                > on the handy JMT site, but could your knee problems and
                                > possible cure have to do with, your "incredible
                                > bulk" . . . maybe I missed it somewhere and this
                                > possibility was covered. Nevertheless, if you're not
                                > able to see your knees, maybe your doctor will point this
                                > one out as a probable cause/fix to your knee problems.
                                > maybe.
                                > Bobsparklefart.blogspot.comhttp://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480To:
                                > johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.comCC: barbara@...:
                                > taterno@...: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:11:27 -0800Subject:
                                > RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace> > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                > > > I have right knee pain. Started
                                > at the beginning of December, and became bad when I was at
                                > the bottom of the grand Canyon. Haven't hiked from New
                                > Years up until this past weekend due to the pain and concern
                                > that I may be doing more damage. I decided this past
                                > weekend that I needed to hike. So I bought an elastic Ace
                                > bandage. Initially, the pain subsided. I have pain only
                                > when hiking on the flats and downhills. Uphill, there is no
                                > pain. Thankfully, at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, I was
                                > looking at 9+ miles of uphill, but that is another story.
                                > > > Does anyone on the list know what knee injury
                                > would not cause pain hiking uphill section?> > In any
                                > event, I see the orthopedic Dr. next Monday. Finally. It
                                > is hard to get timely appts. for specialists in the LA
                                > area.> > Tom> The Incredible Bulk> > ----
                                > Barbara Karagosian <barbara@...> wrote: > >
                                > =============> I think I'll be taking braces with me
                                > for both knees - now to find an> ultra-light version, ha
                                > ha > > _____ > > From:
                                > johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
                                > [mailto:johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com]> On Behalf Of
                                > hmdsierra> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:14 AM>
                                > To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [John Muir
                                > Trail] Re: knee brace> > When we did JMT in '82 my
                                > friend dropped out at Red's Mdw because his> kned
                                > gave him trouble on the descent from Donahue Pass. He was
                                > only> able to make it to Red's because he had a brace
                                > with him. He thought> two weeks would heal it and he
                                > planned on rejoining us at Vidette Mdw.> He and his wife
                                > resupplied us but he didn't finish with up. Just>
                                > before he picked us up at Whitney Portal he went to the
                                > doctor and was> gived a simple brace. On subsequent trips
                                > he wore braces on both knees. > > --- In
                                > johnmuirtrail@
                                > <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                > yahoogroups.com, "jim.ennis" <ulhiker1@...>
                                > wrote:>>>> Barbara:>> It really depends on
                                > how unstable your knee feels to you while you're>>
                                > hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it
                                > could go out on you>> at any moment, then I would
                                > recommend a brace that has some "stays" on>>
                                > the sides of the support. This provides the
                                > "side-to-side" stability>> that you have
                                > lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this
                                > type>> of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart
                                > carries a good one. Try to>> avoid one that has an
                                > inner elastic "sock" as this can be too>>
                                > restrictive for both movement and blood flow.>>
                                > Jim>> --- In johnmuirtrail@
                                > <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                > yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Karagosian">>
                                > <barbara@> wrote:>>>>>> Any opinions
                                > from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on> a
                                > sore>>> knee (medial collateral ligament sprain)
                                > whilst thru hiking? One>> doc says>>>
                                > they're purely "psychological" and heat up the
                                > knee versus cooling it.>>> Another says go head
                                > wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace> wrap.
                                > I>>> figure it's better to ask those who know
                                > from experience. Thanks,>> Barbara>>>
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                              • The Incredible Bulk
                                Vicky, Will know more next week after MRI. The Dr is a sports medicine Dr, so I think I am in good hands. if not, I will return to the Dr that took care of
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                                  Vicky, Will know more next week after MRI. The Dr is a sports medicine Dr, so I think I am in good hands. if not, I will return to the Dr that took care of me in 2005 in Poway, and that knee is perfect now.

                                  The Incredible Bulk


                                  ---- vmaki@... wrote:

                                  =============
                                  hi. not sure who was having knee pain on decents but not uphill. look up PLICA SYNDROME. sounds to me like that may be the problem....i too have that same pain. went for orthscopy surgery in oct. of 07, but still have the pain. doctors refuse to think that is the problem. last year i still went in for cortizone shots and took aleve and extra strength tynenol during major hikes. that works, but hate taking drugs. if the problem still persists this coming year, i plan to get a second opinion from another out of netword provider. hope this helps...vicky------------- Original message from robert shattuck <bobolonius@...>: ------------


                                  80 pounds! my knees go out to you. Hang in there and keep the Leki's handy. Lose another 80. I'd think weight loss before surgery of any kind would benefit you more. People always seem to be timid after surgery.bobsparklefart.blogspot.comhttp://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:22:34 -0800> From: taterno@...> To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace> CC: bobolonius@...> > Yes, I am bulky, ergo the trail name. But I have lost a lot of weight in the past year, through diet and exercise. Specifically, I lost nearly 80 lbs since February 2008. I am still have a few more lbs to loose, but this knee problem is holding up progress. > > I received a call from my Dr a few minutes ago, and there is a cancelation today, so I will get to see him today, and start on the road to recovery for this year's hiking season. It actually feels like my left knee did in 2005, where I needed arthroscopic surgery for a torn meniscus. I hiked on it last night, and it is good and swollen. > > Will know by 6 PM tonight what is wrong, as long an an MRI is not called for.> > Tom> The Incredibly shrinking Bulk> > > > ---- robert shattuck <bobolonius@...> wrote: > > =============> > Tom, I'm only taking a guess and a giggle here, since you're looking for medical opinions on the handy JMT site, but could your knee problems and possible cure have to do with, your "incredible bulk" . . . maybe I missed it somewhere and this possibility was covered. Nevertheless, if you're not able to see your knees, maybe your doctor will point this one out as a probable cause/fix to your knee problems. maybe. Bobsparklefart.blogspot.comhttp://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.comCC: barbara@...: taterno@...: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:11:27 -0800Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have right knee pain. Started at the beginning of December, and became bad when I was at the bottom of the grand Canyon. Haven't hiked from New Years up until this past weekend due to the pain and concern that I may be doing more damage. I decided this past weekend that I needed to hike. So I bought an elastic Ace bandage. Initially, the pain subsided. I have pain only when hiking on the flats and downhills. Uphill, there is no pain. Thankfully, at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, I was looking at 9+ miles of uphill, but that is another story. > > Does anyone on the list know what knee injury would not cause pain hiking uphill section?> > In any event, I see the orthopedic Dr. next Monday. Finally. It is hard to get timely appts. for specialists in the LA area.> > Tom> The Incredible Bulk> > ---- Barbara Karagosian <barbara@...> wrote: > > =============> I think I'll be taking braces with me for both knees - now to find an> ultra-light version, ha ha > > _____ > > From: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com]> On Behalf Of hmdsierra> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:14 AM> To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace> > When we did JMT in '82 my friend dropped out at Red's Mdw because his> kned gave him trouble on the descent from Donahue Pass. He was only> able to make it to Red's because he had a brace with him. He thought> two weeks would heal it and he planned on rejoining us at Vidette Mdw.> He and his wife resupplied us but he didn't finish with up. Just> before he picked us up at Whitney Portal he went to the doctor and was> gived a simple brace. On subsequent trips he wore braces on both knees. > > --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>> yahoogroups.com, "jim.ennis" <ulhiker1@...> wrote:>>>> Barbara:>> It really depends on how unstable your knee feels to you while you're>> hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it could go out on you>> at any moment, then I would recommend a brace that has some "stays" on>> the sides of the support. This provides the "side-to-side" stability>> that you have lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this type>> of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart carries a good one. Try to>> avoid one that has an inner elastic "sock" as this can be too>> restrictive for both movement and blood flow.>> Jim>> --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtrail%40yahoogroups.com>> yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Karagosian">> <barbara@> wrote:>>>>>> Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on> a sore>>> knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One>> doc says>>> they're purely "psychological" and heat up the knee versus cooling it.>>> Another says go head wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace> wrap. I>>> figure it's better to ask those who know from experience. Thanks,>> Barbara>>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>>>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________> Hotmail® goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> >
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                                • The Incredible Bulk
                                  I didn t go into the weight loss thing with any preconceived ideas other than to fit into my lightweight backpacking gear better (sleeping bag and to get a
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                                    I didn't go into the weight loss thing with any preconceived ideas other than to fit into my lightweight backpacking gear better (sleeping bag and to get a smaller, lighter pack, etc.). A Dr friend suggested a self-hypnosis tape to loose the weight. After listening to it while going to bed for only one month, proper eating habits became ingrained and the need for exercise was planted, though I already did the exercise (hiking). I just needed help with eating correctly. Now I have about 40 more lbs to go to reach an optimal weight for my size/age. I intend to put my mtn bike back ont he trail this weekend too. Low impact and lots of fun too.

                                    However, now that I have been off trail for the last month because of the knee, I find myself fall into old, bad eating habits. So this weekend, in Poway, I will begin listening to the tape again. And I will resume my day hiking, as long as I can, since the knee pain is not debilitating at this point. If i am doing more damage, so be it. The MRI will show it and it will be repaired through surgery just as my left knee was repaired. I JUST NEED TO HIKE / BIKE.

                                    Tom
                                    The Incredible Bulk


                                    ---- Derek Peters <specracer64@...> wrote:

                                    =============
                                    Well congrat's on the weight loss. One of the other great perk of getting outdoors.
                                    Derek




                                    ________________________________
                                    From: The Incredible Bulk <taterno@...>
                                    To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
                                    Cc: robert shattuck <bobolonius@...>
                                    Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:22:34 AM
                                    Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace


                                    Yes, I am bulky, ergo the trail name. But I have lost a lot of weight in the past year, through diet and exercise. Specifically, I lost nearly 80 lbs since February 2008. I am still have a few more lbs to loose, but this knee problem is holding up progress.

                                    I received a call from my Dr a few minutes ago, and there is a cancelation today, so I will get to see him today, and start on the road to recovery for this year's hiking season. It actually feels like my left knee did in 2005, where I needed arthroscopic surgery for a torn meniscus. I hiked on it last night, and it is good and swollen.

                                    Will know by 6 PM tonight what is wrong, as long an an MRI is not called for.

                                    Tom
                                    The Incredibly shrinking Bulk

                                    ---- robert shattuck <bobolonius@hotmail. com> wrote:

                                    ============ =

                                    Tom, I'm only taking a guess and a giggle here, since you're looking for medical opinions on the handy JMT site, but could your knee problems and possible cure have to do with, your "incredible bulk" . . . maybe I missed it somewhere and this possibility was covered. Nevertheless, if you're not able to see your knees, maybe your doctor will point this one out as a probable cause/fix to your knee problems. maybe. Bobsparklefart. blogspot. comhttp:/ /www.summitpost. org/plans/ view_activity. php?post_ id=6480To: johnmuirtrail@ yahoogroups. comCC: barbara@mkpe. comFrom: taterno@cox. netDate: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:11:27 -0800Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace

                                    I have right knee pain. Started at the beginning of December, and became bad when I was at the bottom of the grand Canyon. Haven't hiked from New Years up until this past weekend due to the pain and concern that I may be doing more damage. I decided this past weekend that I needed to hike. So I bought an elastic Ace bandage. Initially, the pain subsided. I have pain only when hiking on the flats and downhills. Uphill, there is no pain. Thankfully, at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, I was looking at 9+ miles of uphill, but that is another story.

                                    Does anyone on the list know what knee injury would not cause pain hiking uphill section?

                                    In any event, I see the orthopedic Dr. next Monday. Finally. It is hard to get timely appts. for specialists in the LA area.

                                    Tom
                                    The Incredible Bulk

                                    ---- Barbara Karagosian <barbara@mkpe. com> wrote:

                                    ============ =
                                    I think I'll be taking braces with me for both knees - now to find an
                                    ultra-light version, ha ha

                                    _____

                                    From: johnmuirtrail@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:johnmuirtrail@ yahoogroups. com]
                                    On Behalf Of hmdsierra
                                    Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:14 AM
                                    To: johnmuirtrail@ yahoogroups. com
                                    Subject: [John Muir Trail] Re: knee brace

                                    When we did JMT in '82 my friend dropped out at Red's Mdw because his
                                    kned gave him trouble on the descent from Donahue Pass. He was only
                                    able to make it to Red's because he had a brace with him. He thought
                                    two weeks would heal it and he planned on rejoining us at Vidette Mdw.
                                    He and his wife resupplied us but he didn't finish with up. Just
                                    before he picked us up at Whitney Portal he went to the doctor and was
                                    gived a simple brace. On subsequent trips he wore braces on both knees.

                                    --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtra il%40yahoogroups .com>
                                    yahoogroups. com, "jim.ennis" <ulhiker1@.. .> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Barbara:
                                    > It really depends on how unstable your knee feels to you while you're
                                    > hiking. If it tends to "wobble" and feel like it could go out on you
                                    > at any moment, then I would recommend a brace that has some "stays" on
                                    > the sides of the support. This provides the "side-to-side" stability
                                    > that you have lost as a result of the sprain. You can find this type
                                    > of brace at most pharmacies, even WalMart carries a good one. Try to
                                    > avoid one that has an inner elastic "sock" as this can be too
                                    > restrictive for both movement and blood flow.
                                    > Jim
                                    > --- In johnmuirtrail@ <mailto:johnmuirtra il%40yahoogroups .com>
                                    yahoogroups. com, "Barbara Karagosian"
                                    > <barbara@> wrote:
                                    >>
                                    >> Any opinions from experience on the best kind of thing to wear on
                                    a sore
                                    >> knee (medial collateral ligament sprain) whilst thru hiking? One
                                    > doc says
                                    >> they're purely "psychological" and heat up the knee versus cooling it.
                                    >> Another says go head wear one of those neoprene ones, or an ace
                                    wrap. I
                                    >> figure it's better to ask those who know from experience. Thanks,
                                    > Barbara
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
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                                  • tvanr13
                                    Hey what brand of knee brace is good for the JMT? My PT recommended braces for long hikes for my tendonitis. Thanks, Tim
                                    Message 17 of 24 , May 11, 2014
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                                      Hey what brand of knee brace is good for the JMT? My PT recommended braces for long hikes for my tendonitis. Thanks, Tim

                                    • berdomb
                                      I would be sure my knees were in good shape before starting a long hike personally. Any pre-existing tendonitis is likely to get worse.
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                                        I would be sure my knees were in good shape before starting a long hike personally.  Any pre-existing tendonitis is likely to get worse.
                                      • Chris Peralta
                                        Hi. I use a McDavid knee strap / patella. $12 at target. Inexpensive and works great. Never leave home without it.
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                                          Hi.   I use a McDavid knee strap / patella.    $12 at target.     Inexpensive and works great.    Never leave home without it.   

                                          On May 11, 2014, at 6:21 AM, "tvanr13@... [johnmuirtrail]" <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                           

                                          Hey what brand of knee brace is good for the JMT? My PT recommended braces for long hikes for my tendonitis. Thanks, Tim

                                        • bjroach
                                          Agreed. The pros use a Swedish neoprene knee sleeve made by Rehband for compression, support and warmth. The price is about 3x McDavid. Rehband is only
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                                            Agreed.   The pros use a Swedish neoprene knee sleeve made by Rehband for compression, support and warmth.  The price is about 3x McDavid.  Rehband is only available online.
                                          • berdomb
                                            Quite a few hikers swear by the Cho-Pat knee brace. From what I understand, when you get some tendonitis or soreness, the affected muscle wants to quit
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                                              Quite a few hikers swear by the Cho-Pat knee brace.
                                              From what I understand, when you get some tendonitis or soreness, the affected muscle wants to quit working, overloading others.  This makes the patella quit tracking properly and the knee pain gets bad quickly.  Supposedly, my impression is, the cho-pat helps it keep tracking properly.

                                              No experience personally, but quite a few long distance hikers on Whiteblaze  are loyal fans.
                                            • John Ladd
                                              This is not a recommendation of any particular knee brace (or the wisdon of hiking with one) but a good source for anything orthopedic or medical is
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                                                This is not a recommendation of any particular knee brace (or the wisdon of hiking with one) but a good source for anything orthopedic or medical is AliMed.com. Good pricing and fast delivery in my experience. And a huge selection.


                                                On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 6:21 AM, tvanr13@... [johnmuirtrail] <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                Hey what brand of knee brace is good for the JMT? My PT recommended braces for long hikes for my tendonitis. Thanks, Tim



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                                              • rfschillo
                                                I am not a doctor, just an old runner and hiker. It is my understanding poor tracking of the knee cap can be caused by a muscle imbalance on the two sides of
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                                                  I am not a doctor, just an old runner and hiker. It is my understanding poor tracking of the knee cap can be caused by a muscle imbalance on the two sides of the knee and by over pronation of the foot which is usually caused by flat feet. The cho pat device helped me when I had poor tracking due to muscle imbalance. There are also exercises that can help if the condition is caused by muscle imbalance. For the case of over pronation some sort of device such as an orthotic can correct the problem. I tried sleeve type knee braces but they did not help. A PT cautioned me that sleeve type knee braces can impede the natural tracking of the knee cap making the condition worse.

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                                                • Marie
                                                  I don t have knee issues, but have worked under a brilliant chiropractor (he s worked with professional athletes, Olympians, and Roller Derby leagues) who
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                                                    I don't have knee issues, but have worked under a brilliant chiropractor (he's worked with professional athletes, Olympians, and Roller Derby leagues) who designed a knee brace called Second Knee. He designed it to support the joint by moving similar to the way the muscles, ligaments and tendons work with the knee joint.

                                                    I'm not on staff and am not trying to give a sales pitch (in fact he probably doesn't even remember me), but Dr Fox knows his stuff and I think he's designed a pretty good product. 


                                                    -Marie

                                                    On May 13, 2014, at 4:05 AM, "rfschillo@... [johnmuirtrail]" <johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                     

                                                    I am not a doctor, just an old runner and hiker. It is my understanding poor tracking of the knee cap can be caused by a muscle imbalance on the two sides of the knee and by over pronation of the foot which is usually caused by flat feet. The cho pat device helped me when I had poor tracking due to muscle imbalance. There are also exercises that can help if the condition is caused by muscle imbalance. For the case of over pronation some sort of device such as an orthotic can correct the problem. I tried sleeve type knee braces but they did not help. A PT cautioned me that sleeve type knee braces can impede the natural tracking of the knee cap making the condition worse.

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