Re: [John Muir Trail] Re: Nubee's equipment list - please critique
- On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Gail <forgetwho@...> wrote:
Thanks, I might try that with a 16 or 20 oz. bottle (I don't think I'd want to carry 4 lbs. of water on a pack strap, that is, all on one side).
What do you mean by a "special pouch"?
I'm not the original poster, but I also like front-carried water - 500 cc wide-mouth Nalgene on my right (along with the Spot) and a 1000cc narrow-mouth Vestil bottle on the left. I just figured out a way to attach them so that the weight doesn't affect my chest and so they don't flop around. The bottles were purchased at Grainger Industrial Supply.The 1-Liter bottle attaches with a Belt clip secured to the bottle with the fabulous 10-mil pipe wrap tape. I use a large heavy rubber band to keep it from shifting as I walk. The belt clip takes the weight and hangs it from the PALS webbing on my shoulder strap.
The 500cc one just attaches well to an off-the-shelf pouch that's adapted well to my pack. The Spot goes in the body of this pouch and the bottle simply rides atop it. Some wristbands keep the bottle from shifting right or left.In both cases, the weight stays on the shoulder joint so that It doesn't affect breathing.Both designs take advantage of the PALS webbing found on Army Surplus gear. The PALS webbing allows "hangers" to be secured quite well - they don't flop around.Front-carrying the water moves a total of up to 3 lbs from behind the Center of Gravity to forward of COG. f both bottles are full, I could cover probably a 6 mile dry stretch without much risk of running dry.John Curran Ladd
1616 Castro Street
San Francisco, CA 94114-3707
- Talking about tarps can be confusing on a Nubee thread. When someone says tarp they may mean a flat tarp or they may be talking about a fully enclosed single wall shelter or something in between. The term tarp-tent is often used to describe something between a shaped tarp and a traditional double walled tent. My perspective comes from being old enough to remember when none of our tents had floors, bug netting or double walls. A tarp was a flat piece of canvas.Their are trade offs with the different types. Generally the closer one gets to a flat tarp the more knowledge and experience is needed, but there can be considerable weight savings. The free standing double wall tent is easier to use, but heavier.SnapOn Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:43 AM, casey <casey.cox@...> wrote:
I prefer to take my tarp during bug season. When set up in an "A" frame using both my trekking poles, with either screen doors or using a space blanket on one end as a solid door. The tarp is 8 1/2 ft. by 11 ft. made of cuben fiber and weighs 7 ounces. With the screen doors, space blanket, alligator clips to attach them, six titanium stakes, and a cuben fiber groundcloth the total weight is about 10 ounces. The screen doors are made from salvaged mosquito netting from a screen room. A space blanket fits perfectly as a storm door.
This gives me a shelter (with doors attached) with a square footage in excess of 50 sq. ft. Much larger than a two person tent, plenty of room to cook, relax, or wait out a storm with all my gear inside a mosquito proof shelter. The tarp, screen doors, and space blanket storm door all stuff into a stuff bag made for an Exped Synmat UL-7, about the size of a one liter water bottle.
I urge you to experiment a bit with setting up a tarp. This is something you can save a lot of weight on and also increase your comfort level by having more room. Use an inexpensive plastic tarp or some rolled plastic, 3 mil or better, to compare with the size of your tent. The tarp I use was made by zpacks, also use a Hexamid Solo Plus made by them. I carry the tent when I don't expect to need a shelter
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Michael <malapp1@...> wrote:
> We thought about doing a tarp but neither of us is willing to sacrifice the bug protection provided by a tent. In addition, we use it here in FLorida where bug protection is absolutely mandatory. Thanks for the suggestion.
> Miami, FL.
> On Aug 16, 2013, at 1:30 AM, "scriv.ener" <jeffreyz212@...> wrote:
> > Another possible place to cut weight is by switching from a tent to a tarp. My tarp (ahem, since switched to a tent) was 1.5 pounds, poles, tie outs, stakes and Tyvek ground cloth included - and you already have hiking poles so it'd be even less. It's hard for a tent to get that low in weight, without becoming single wall (poor ventilation) or crowded (just how good is your friendship?). But tents offer better wind protection and a lot better bug protection. Spread amongst two people the three or more pounds of a good tent aren't that bad.
> > Anyhow, I would urge you to re-think your weight requirements.
> > --- In email@example.com, "scriv.ener" <jeffreyz212@> wrote:
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> > > Your list looks good, but you have yet to add food and water.
> > > It does strike me that your base weight is higher than ideal.
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> > > > > So far, without food but with water, my pack is at 24.83
> > > > > pounds and Susana's is at 18.42. This includes clothing
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