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  • Alex Cheng
    Just finished this section. - No shortage of water right now. All water sources are good. - Typical July, lots of mosquitos near water sources. - Lakes
    Message 1 of 11 , Jul 12 4:45 PM
      Just finished this section.

      - No shortage of water right now. All water sources are good.
      - Typical July, lots of mosquitos near water sources.
      - Lakes (including Thousand Island & Gladys) are fairly warm and comfortable to swim in.
      - Occasional thunderstorms in the late afternoon.
      - No issues with snow.














       









      Hey Bob we met last year near Red's on the
      trail....
      I appreciate the response.  I was thinking
      Paiute creek originally too to get a little more acclimated.
       I figure after a day at Shaver and then a day at Piute
      I should be in good shape for being somewhat acclimated
      again.  
      I've been on several 2-3 dayers already this
      year and felt really good.  Albeit the last one was an
      easy trip on the Dinkey lakes loop with my 5 year old son
      for his first trip ever.
      My base weight, before food and water is around
      13 lbs.  As for bear creek trail,
      I've been on it from the Dan many many times.  I
      guess my thinking was if I travelled it (I can get dropped
      off no problem at the trail head) and slept along bear creek
      at 8500-9000 and then powered through the next day for a
      resupply at MTR and up to evolution valley to about
      9500-10000 for better acclimatization was a thought.
       But unlike your idea better and I've been on bear
      creek lots of times it's not like I'd be missin
      anything.
      On the bear can....I just bought this bearikade
      and haven't used it.  I was going off what someone
      else said I could fit...so it sounds like I can probably get
      7-8 days in it and carry my first day in my pack and hang it
      from the bridge.   Sweet.
      I'm not young but in strong but either way
      the trip to onion valley  sounds like a potential siren
      convincing me to not go back.  
      Thanks agin for all the input 

      Sent from my iPhone
      On Jul 12, 2013, at 2:10 PM, robert shattuck <bobolonius@...>
      wrote:
















       








      "I am conditioned for
      it, have a very light load for it, but those first days seem
      to only net be about 10 miles a
      day." 
      Even though you've got all the elements
      in place . . . you're conditioned, a light load and
      plenty eager to do miles, just remember you're coming
      from the flatlands, sort of––you're only gaining
      roughly what, 2,500 feet or so from Shaver to Florence, but
      still . . . a nice easy day to break it all
      in. 
      Florence to the Piute Creek Junction there at
      Franklin Meadow would be a good first day . . . you can hang
      that extra food off the bridge and then hit the switch-backs
      up into Evolution in the morning.  get your
      legs. 

      "3) Would I benefit more from starting at
      Bear Creek, going up and sleeping at the trail
      junction"
      You'd want to start at the Bear Creek
      Cut-off trailhead and NOT the actual Bear Creek trailhead
      which is a slightly gnarly four-wheel drive back in a few
      miles . . . the Cutoff trailhead is just a few more minutes
      up the road, but doing this versus Florence will add a day
      to your trip. 
      I've started at the "BCCOT" a few
      times, as late as about noon and made it all the way to
      Marie Lakes by about 9-10 p.m. . . . 
      . . . but if I read this right and you would be
      sleeping at the trailhead and then churning out your big
      miles from early in the morning––you could totally be at
      the MTR in the evening, but . . . they'll be closed and
      you'll have to camp nearby . . . make your way across
      the river in the dark to get to Blaney hot springs . . . if
      you don't know where you're going, that's all
      better done in the light of day. 
      "I am carrying a Bearikadede Weekender,
      and I can fit 5 days of food and . . .

      I carry a Garcia, which has slightly less
      room than a Bearikade. Either you are hauling some large
      items or you are not trying (smashing) hard enough . . . I
      leave VVR with about 7-8 days of mountain house meals and
      then some, in there . . . considering the cost of a
      bearikade, it might be kind of late for you to get a larger
      one, but this would easily solve all your problems of
      whether or not to go out for a resupply. 

      "2) I have never hiked down Kearsage to
      get a resupply....I'm afraid I'll get to town and .
      . . " 
      Yes, you will––there's already a
      burger and bed located in Bishop, with your name on it, just
      begging you to come out of the mountains and give up on the
      last little bit of the trail . . . 
      I must have missed the part where you give the
      total amount of days you expect to do the trail in, but with
      all your fitness and mileage goals, getting out at Kearsage
      would be a waste of time. 
      If you've got the time, then go for it . . .
      I've never quite figured (bothered) out the equation of
      what it takes to hike out and come back in, versus just
      carrying the little extra weight of your food and just
      carrying on––especially when you're just so close to
      finishing. 
      I've met enough strong hikers out there, who
      either had to go out for a resupply, or they just
      wanted a "rest" day . . . and they never came back
      to finish. 

      BOBhttp://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480
    • robert shattuck
      No shortage of water right now. All water sources are good. So there are eat least two water sources (both within about 45 minutes of the HD junction) after
      Message 2 of 11 , Jul 12 5:04 PM
         "No shortage of water right now. All water sources are good."


        So there are eat least two water sources (both within about 45 minutes of the HD junction) after the Half Dome junction . . . the usual two that is???

        and water at Sunrise, from the TAP???



        BOB
        http://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480




        To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
        From: ralexcheng@...
        Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:45:15 -0700
        Subject: [John Muir Trail] Water conditions between HI & Reds

         
        Just finished this section.

        - No shortage of water right now. All water sources are good.
        - Typical July, lots of mosquitos near water sources.
        - Lakes (including Thousand Island & Gladys) are fairly warm and comfortable to swim in.
        - Occasional thunderstorms in the late afternoon.
        - No issues with snow.














         









        Hey Bob we met last year near Red's on the
        trail....
        I appreciate the response.  I was thinking
        Paiute creek originally too to get a little more acclimated.
         I figure after a day at Shaver and then a day at Piute
        I should be in good shape for being somewhat acclimated
        again.  
        I've been on several 2-3 dayers already this
        year and felt really good.  Albeit the last one was an
        easy trip on the Dinkey lakes loop with my 5 year old son
        for his first trip ever.
        My base weight, before food and water is around
        13 lbs.  As for bear creek trail,
        I've been on it from the Dan many many times.  I
        guess my thinking was if I travelled it (I can get dropped
        off no problem at the trail head) and slept along bear creek
        at 8500-9000 and then powered through the next day for a
        resupply at MTR and up to evolution valley to about
        9500-10000 for better acclimatization was a thought.
         But unlike your idea better and I've been on bear
        creek lots of times it's not like I'd be missin
        anything.
        On the bear can....I just bought this bearikade
        and haven't used it.  I was going off what someone
        else said I could fit...so it sounds like I can probably get
        7-8 days in it and carry my first day in my pack and hang it
        from the bridge.   Sweet.
        I'm not young but in strong but either way
        the trip to onion valley  sounds like a potential siren
        convincing me to not go back.  
        Thanks agin for all the input 

        Sent from my iPhone
        On Jul 12, 2013, at 2:10 PM, robert shattuck <bobolonius@...>
        wrote:
















         








        "I am conditioned for
        it, have a very light load for it, but those first days seem
        to only net be about 10 miles a
        day." 
        Even though you've got all the elements
        in place . . . you're conditioned, a light load and
        plenty eager to do miles, just remember you're coming
        from the flatlands, sort of––you're only gaining
        roughly what, 2,500 feet or so from Shaver to Florence, but
        still . . . a nice easy day to break it all
        in. 
        Florence to the Piute Creek Junction there at
        Franklin Meadow would be a good first day . . . you can hang
        that extra food off the bridge and then hit the switch-backs
        up into Evolution in the morning.  get your
        legs. 

        "3) Would I benefit more from starting at
        Bear Creek, going up and sleeping at the trail
        junction"
        You'd want to start at the Bear Creek
        Cut-off trailhead and NOT the actual Bear Creek trailhead
        which is a slightly gnarly four-wheel drive back in a few
        miles . . . the Cutoff trailhead is just a few more minutes
        up the road, but doing this versus Florence will add a day
        to your trip. 
        I've started at the "BCCOT" a few
        times, as late as about noon and made it all the way to
        Marie Lakes by about 9-10 p.m. . . . 
        . . . but if I read this right and you would be
        sleeping at the trailhead and then churning out your big
        miles from early in the morning––you could totally be at
        the MTR in the evening, but . . . they'll be closed and
        you'll have to camp nearby . . . make your way across
        the river in the dark to get to Blaney hot springs . . . if
        you don't know where you're going, that's all
        better done in the light of day. 
        "I am carrying a Bearikadede Weekender,
        and I can fit 5 days of food and . . .

        I carry a Garcia, which has slightly less
        room than a Bearikade. Either you are hauling some large
        items or you are not trying (smashing) hard enough . . . I
        leave VVR with about 7-8 days of mountain house meals and
        then some, in there . . . considering the cost of a
        bearikade, it might be kind of late for you to get a larger
        one, but this would easily solve all your problems of
        whether or not to go out for a resupply. 

        "2) I have never hiked down Kearsage to
        get a resupply....I'm afraid I'll get to town and .
        . . " 
        Yes, you will––there's already a
        burger and bed located in Bishop, with your name on it, just
        begging you to come out of the mountains and give up on the
        last little bit of the trail . . . 
        I must have missed the part where you give the
        total amount of days you expect to do the trail in, but with
        all your fitness and mileage goals, getting out at Kearsage
        would be a waste of time. 
        If you've got the time, then go for it . . .
        I've never quite figured (bothered) out the equation of
        what it takes to hike out and come back in, versus just
        carrying the little extra weight of your food and just
        carrying on––especially when you're just so close to
        finishing. 
        I've met enough strong hikers out there, who
        either had to go out for a resupply, or they just
        wanted a "rest" day . . . and they never came back
        to finish. 

        BOBhttp://www.summitpost.org/plans/view_activity.php?post_id=6480
















































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