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Re: [John Muir Trail] Preventing Flatlander Flatlining

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  • Steve Schauer
    Thank you so much for that wonderful resource! Having read most of the posts about the flatlander, one thing I remember about the first time we hiked in
    Message 1 of 19 , Apr 28 8:54 AM
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      Thank you so much for that wonderful resource!

      Having read most of the posts about the flatlander,
      one thing I remember about the first time we hiked in
      Yosemite. We had been living in the tropics for 10
      years, at sea level, so when we were trying to get in
      shape we hiked around our island as much as we could.
      But when we got to Yosemite, the humidity was so low,
      and the air so much cooler, that it was actually
      easier to hike than with heat and humidity. So I hope
      you will be pleasantly surprised. But still try to get
      there a few days early, and camp at Tuolomne Meadows
      to acclimate.
      Claire

      --- smyth555 <smyth555@...> wrote:

      > I'm not sure about supplements, but this was posted
      > on the SEKI group
      > board. It's a guide for AMS prevention for military
      > training at
      > altitude. Gives some info on preferred diets, etc.
      > Might be helpful.
      >
      > http://www.usariem.army.mil/nutri/nuadalti.htm
      >
      >
      > --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, "guildshoes"
      > <PaddyBeer@...>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > Thanks for the awesome responses. I am aware of
      > the signals of
      > > sickness, but what I am looking for is any advice
      > on how to
      > function
      > > better on the trail. Is there anything other than
      > cardio and trail
      > > fitness that I should focus upon, - any
      > supplements etc
      > >
      >
      >
      >
    • Jim Martin
      Ginkgo Biloba seems to help me get a head start on acclimatizing. I take it for a couple of weeks before my planned trip.
      Message 2 of 19 , Apr 28 9:54 AM
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        Ginkgo Biloba seems to help me get a head start on acclimatizing. I take it for a couple of weeks before my planned trip.

        http://www.everestnews.com/stories024/peterh.htm

        http://www.life-enhancement.com/article_template.asp?ID=712


        I never tried Viagra. Well, at least not for acclimatizing. One benefit of Viagara that I can see is that it may help you from rolling over in your sleeping bag.





        --- On Sat, 4/26/08, guildshoes <PaddyBeer@...> wrote:

        From: guildshoes <PaddyBeer@...>
        Subject: Re: [John Muir Trail] Preventing Flatlander Flatlining
        To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Saturday, April 26, 2008, 4:30 PM






        Living at basically sea level I am very concerned with the impact
        that altitude will have on me. I have heard both Ginkgo and Viagra
        are useful but was wondering if anyone has tried these? Anyone have
        any other suggestions?

        --- In johnmuirtrail@ yahoogroups. com, Roleigh Martin <roleigh@... >
        wrote:
        >
        > My approach is as follows.
        >
        > 1. I entertain my mind by listening to audiobooks, when the
        weather is good, I walk in the evening with a pack on with my dog for
        about 2-3 hours. I want to work up to whole day hikes on the weekend
        and camp overnight.
        >
        > 2. When the weather is bad during the week, I do some weight
        lifting.
        >
        > 3. Pushups in the morning.
        >
        > 4. I walk to work with a pack too. The daypack is a Osprey
        Stratos 24 (nice daypack for carry-on while traveling as it fits
        overhead), plus it has a frame so weight runs on belt. I carry same
        weight as on trail -- but in city, the weight is nothing more than 18
        pounds of baking soda (in heavy duty vinyl bag from Costco which
        comes in 12 pound bag, the other 6 pounds is a half a bag taped up).
        Remaining weight to get up to 24 pounds is an umbrella, jacket, water
        and dog bowl (for the dog).
        >
        > The entire time I walk I am entertained by audiobooks. I belong
        to audible.com and use public library for 95 percent of my
        audiobooks. (Many public libraries now have audiobooks available for
        downloading from their web sites.)
        >
        >
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        >
















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      • thomas taylor
        I live in the bay area which is at sea level. When I do hikes in the Sierra I normally leave work on a Friday afternoon and spend Friday night at Tioga Pass
        Message 3 of 19 , Apr 28 12:03 PM
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          I live in the bay area which is at sea level. When I
          do hikes in the Sierra I normally leave work on a
          Friday afternoon and spend Friday night at Tioga Pass
          (10,000'). One night doesn't do it, of course, but it
          helps.

          Most entry passes are at the 10 to 12K elevation so
          don't get too overly concerned. If I'm out of shape,
          I won't feel good the second day. By the third day
          everythings OK.

          Thomas
        • chaslee08
          Raleigh I ll see if I can move up my permit to start earlier at TM. Your pace and agenda sound perfect for me and your experience on the trail would be very
          Message 4 of 19 , Apr 29 7:40 AM
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            Raleigh
            I'll see if I can move up my permit to start earlier at TM. Your pace
            and agenda sound perfect for me and your experience on the trail would
            be very valuable to me. I would hate to miss the stretch between TM
            and Red Meadows though if I can't get the date change.
            Chuck Turner
            --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, Roleigh Martin <roleigh@...>
            wrote:
            >
            > 3 of us men (ages 56-60, all seasoned High Sierra Hikers who average
            10-11 miles a day in the past) have a permit for 5 (room for 2 more) to
            join us July 26, 2008, at Reds Meadows (our starting point) headed to
            Whitney Portal. We aim to finish Aug 10 or Aug 11 (if we can get
            resupplied midway between MTR and WP, otherwise we might resupply at
            Cedar Lodge which would cause us to leave the trail Aug 12 or Aug 13
            because that resupply would extend the hike about 1.5 days). We are
            used to hiking for 2 weeks in the High Sierra (we did the HST round trip
            hike with a resupply in 2007 taking 15 days). We typically only hike 9
            miles a day the first 2 days on the trail but average 11 miles a day
            over the 2 weeks. Our goal is to resupply every 6 days on this JMT
            section (at Muir Trail Ranch and midway between MTR and WP). If you or
            you and a partner used to this pace want to join us, email me.
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
          • Roleigh Martin
            chaslee08 wrote: Raleigh I ll see if I can move up my permit to start earlier at TM. Your pace and agenda sound perfect for me
            Message 5 of 19 , Apr 29 8:00 AM
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              chaslee08 <chaslee08@...> wrote: Raleigh
              I'll see if I can move up my permit to start earlier at TM. Your pace
              and agenda sound perfect for me and your experience on the trail would
              be very valuable to me. I would hate to miss the stretch between TM
              and Red Meadows though if I can't get the date change.
              Chuck Turner
              --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, Roleigh Martin <roleigh@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > 3 of us men (ages 56-60, all seasoned High Sierra Hikers who average
              10-11 miles a day in the past) have a permit for 5 (room for 2 more) to
              join us July 26, 2008, at Reds Meadows (our starting point) headed to
              Whitney Portal. We aim to finish Aug 10 or Aug 11 (if we can get
              resupplied midway between MTR and WP, otherwise we might resupply at
              Cedar Lodge which would cause us to leave the trail Aug 12 or Aug 13
              because that resupply would extend the hike about 1.5 days). We are
              used to hiking for 2 weeks in the High Sierra (we did the HST round trip
              hike with a resupply in 2007 taking 15 days). We typically only hike 9
              miles a day the first 2 days on the trail but average 11 miles a day
              over the 2 weeks. Our goal is to resupply every 6 days on this JMT
              section (at Muir Trail Ranch and midway between MTR and WP). If you or
              you and a partner used to this pace want to join us, email me.
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >






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            • Roleigh Martin
              chaslee08 wrote: Raleigh I ll see if I can move up my permit to start earlier at TM. Your pace and agenda sound perfect for me
              Message 6 of 19 , Apr 29 8:00 AM
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                chaslee08 <chaslee08@...> wrote: Raleigh
                I'll see if I can move up my permit to start earlier at TM. Your pace
                and agenda sound perfect for me and your experience on the trail would
                be very valuable to me. I would hate to miss the stretch between TM
                and Red Meadows though if I can't get the date change.
                Chuck Turner
                --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, Roleigh Martin <roleigh@...>
                wrote:
                >
                > 3 of us men (ages 56-60, all seasoned High Sierra Hikers who average
                10-11 miles a day in the past) have a permit for 5 (room for 2 more) to
                join us July 26, 2008, at Reds Meadows (our starting point) headed to
                Whitney Portal. We aim to finish Aug 10 or Aug 11 (if we can get
                resupplied midway between MTR and WP, otherwise we might resupply at
                Cedar Lodge which would cause us to leave the trail Aug 12 or Aug 13
                because that resupply would extend the hike about 1.5 days). We are
                used to hiking for 2 weeks in the High Sierra (we did the HST round trip
                hike with a resupply in 2007 taking 15 days). We typically only hike 9
                miles a day the first 2 days on the trail but average 11 miles a day
                over the 2 weeks. Our goal is to resupply every 6 days on this JMT
                section (at Muir Trail Ranch and midway between MTR and WP). If you or
                you and a partner used to this pace want to join us, email me.
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >






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              • Roleigh Martin
                oops, I meant to press cancel and type later, I m in a meeting. I m happy about your interest, will write later. chaslee08 wrote:
                Message 7 of 19 , Apr 29 8:00 AM
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                  oops, I meant to press cancel and type later, I'm in a meeting. I'm happy about your interest, will write later.

                  chaslee08 <chaslee08@...> wrote: Raleigh
                  I'll see if I can move up my permit to start earlier at TM. Your pace
                  and agenda sound perfect for me and your experience on the trail would
                  be very valuable to me. I would hate to miss the stretch between TM
                  and Red Meadows though if I can't get the date change.
                  Chuck Turner
                  --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, Roleigh Martin <roleigh@...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > 3 of us men (ages 56-60, all seasoned High Sierra Hikers who average
                  10-11 miles a day in the past) have a permit for 5 (room for 2 more) to
                  join us July 26, 2008, at Reds Meadows (our starting point) headed to
                  Whitney Portal. We aim to finish Aug 10 or Aug 11 (if we can get
                  resupplied midway between MTR and WP, otherwise we might resupply at
                  Cedar Lodge which would cause us to leave the trail Aug 12 or Aug 13
                  because that resupply would extend the hike about 1.5 days). We are
                  used to hiking for 2 weeks in the High Sierra (we did the HST round trip
                  hike with a resupply in 2007 taking 15 days). We typically only hike 9
                  miles a day the first 2 days on the trail but average 11 miles a day
                  over the 2 weeks. Our goal is to resupply every 6 days on this JMT
                  section (at Muir Trail Ranch and midway between MTR and WP). If you or
                  you and a partner used to this pace want to join us, email me.
                  >
                  >
                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >






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