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[John Muir Trail] Re: It May Become Illegal to Hike a Guide in Some National Parks

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  • clairehiker
    not on the same subject as horsepackers, but I m very interested in finding out about llamas. Do you have any resources to share?
    Message 1 of 33 , Oct 30, 2011
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      not on the same subject as horsepackers, but I'm very interested in finding out about llamas. Do you have any resources to share?

      --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, mardav@... wrote:
      >
      >
      > I too have been very annoyed by horse packer behavior in Yosemite.
      > I am a llama packer so I am very familiar with the Yosemite rules, which
      > are quite strict. Stock users are supposed to keep to the trails.
      > Stock may not travel more than 1/2 mile off a trail. This is for the
      > logical reason that a string of horses, walking off trail, will create a
      > new trail with their feet. Trail crew in Yosemite have told me that the
      > commercial packers persist in making new trails into heretofore pristene
      > valleys.
      > Another thing that annoys me is this: in the spring, I use my llamas as
      > trail crew support to remove deadfall from the PCT. They are great at
      > carrying the tools, making it easy for me to get the work done and cover
      > a lot of ground. It irritates me no end when I see that pack strings
      > are riding around deadfall, making new detours, repeatedly, as they make
      > their daily bucks hauling people in and out on our public lands. There
      > is no way to enforce proper behavior, no manpower to do it. I just
      > wish, fervently, that the packers would take care of the trails that
      > provide their livelihood.
      > I know there are some great people using their pack animals to do trail
      > work. God bless them.
      > But I have the evidence of my own eyes, hoof prints in detours, made by
      > commercial packers who just passed me by, to prove the bad behavior.
      > Get off your horse and use a saw! If you can carry stoves and tables
      > and coolers into the backcountry, you can carry a saw.
      > Marion
      >
    • clairehiker
      not on the same subject as horsepackers, but I m very interested in finding out about llamas. Do you have any resources to share?
      Message 33 of 33 , Oct 30, 2011
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        not on the same subject as horsepackers, but I'm very interested in finding out about llamas. Do you have any resources to share?

        --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, mardav@... wrote:
        >
        >
        > I too have been very annoyed by horse packer behavior in Yosemite.
        > I am a llama packer so I am very familiar with the Yosemite rules, which
        > are quite strict. Stock users are supposed to keep to the trails.
        > Stock may not travel more than 1/2 mile off a trail. This is for the
        > logical reason that a string of horses, walking off trail, will create a
        > new trail with their feet. Trail crew in Yosemite have told me that the
        > commercial packers persist in making new trails into heretofore pristene
        > valleys.
        > Another thing that annoys me is this: in the spring, I use my llamas as
        > trail crew support to remove deadfall from the PCT. They are great at
        > carrying the tools, making it easy for me to get the work done and cover
        > a lot of ground. It irritates me no end when I see that pack strings
        > are riding around deadfall, making new detours, repeatedly, as they make
        > their daily bucks hauling people in and out on our public lands. There
        > is no way to enforce proper behavior, no manpower to do it. I just
        > wish, fervently, that the packers would take care of the trails that
        > provide their livelihood.
        > I know there are some great people using their pack animals to do trail
        > work. God bless them.
        > But I have the evidence of my own eyes, hoof prints in detours, made by
        > commercial packers who just passed me by, to prove the bad behavior.
        > Get off your horse and use a saw! If you can carry stoves and tables
        > and coolers into the backcountry, you can carry a saw.
        > Marion
        >
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