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  • Don Amundson
    Jul 7 7:56 PM
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      Maybe this will help:
      US Postal Service regulations regarding shipping Esbit tablets: 5.0 FLAMMABLE SOLIDS (HAZARD CLASS 4) Definitions5.1Hazard class 4 consists of three divisions:a. Division 4.1, Flammable Solids. Any solid material other than one classed as an explosive that, under conditions normally incident to transportation, is likely to cause fires through friction or retained heat from manufacturing or processing, or that can be ignited readily and, when ignited, burns so vigorously and persistently as to create a serious transportation hazard. b. Division 4.2, Spontaneously Combustible. A liquid or solid pyrophoric material that even in small amounts and without an external ignition source can ignite within 5 minutes after coming in contact with air, or a self-heating material that, when in contact with air and without an energy supply, is liable to self-heat.c. Division 4.3, Dangerous When Wet. A material that, by contact with water, is likely to become spontaneously flammable or to give off flammable or toxic gas at a rate greater than 1 liter per kilogram of the material per hour. Mailability5.2Flammable solids are prohibited in international mail. Flammable solids are prohibited in domestic mail via air transportation. A flammable solid that can qualify as an ORM-D material is permitted in domestic mail via surface transportation if the material is contained in a secure primary receptacle having a weight of 1 pound or less; the primary receptacle(s) is packed in a strong outer shipping container with a total weight of 25 pounds or less per mailpiece; and each "mailpiece is plainly and durably marked on the address side with "Surface Only" or "Surface Mail Only" and "ORM-D" immediately following or below the proper shipping name. What this means to us: Esbit tablets fall under the Flammable Solids Class. We can ship less than 1 pound of Esbit tablets via ground mail (domestic mail only). The tablets must be contained in a secure primary receptacle which must be packed in a larger package for protection. The overall package must weigh 25 pounds or less. The package must have the following label on attached on the address side of the package:Surface Mail OnlyConsumer Commodity ORM-D
      To: johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com
      From: rrichey@...
      Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 02:13:37 +0000
      Subject: [John Muir Trail] Re: Fuel Question


























      Very useful info. However, I can't figure out how Esbit fuel tabs would be categorized. I have been able to send this stuff USPS ground in the past, but am wondering if different postal staff (drones notwithstanding) may interpret the regs differently.



      --- In johnmuirtrail@yahoogroups.com, Randy Forsland <rforsland2001@...> wrote:

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      > USPS.com has a chart on their site which will quote the applicable Postal reg. see the following link:

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      > http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/posters/pos138/pos138_front.html

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      > Many items such as fuel can be shipped via surface carrier if the package is properly marked.

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      > --- On Tue, 6/30/09, hmdsierra <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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      > From: hmdsierra <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>

      > Subject: Re: [John Muir Trail] Fuel Question

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      > I passed this past my old backpacking friend who was postmaster in the small town of Bodfish, CA. Here is his response.

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      > Well, as a drone behind the counter, I wouldn't accept it. If asked to, I would have shown the regulation forbidding the shipment. Unless things have changed over the last 9 years, it is not mailable. Hard to figure where his regulations are coming from, no reference to a particular manual and there are many.

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      > --- In johnmuirtrail@ yahoogroups. com, Don Amundson <amrowinc@ .> wrote:

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      > > Actually you can mail fuel canisters via USPS unless something has changed in the last month or so. The requirements are specific (see below) and there have been instances of people getting flak at the post office even after pointing out the reg. But as the previous reply indicated there no need to. The stuff is readily available and can also be obtained on the trail at the usual resupply points.

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      > > US Postal Service regulations regarding shipping butane and isobutane:3. 0 GASES (HAZARD CLASS 2) Definition3. 1Hazard class 2 consists of three divisions:a. Division 2.1, Flammable Gases. A material that is a gas at 68�F (20�C) or less and 14.7 psi (101.3 kPa) of pressure. Flammable gases also include materials that have a boiling point of 68�F (20�C) or less at 14.7 psi (101.3 kPa) and that are ignitable at 14.7 psi (101.3 kPa) when in a mixture of 13% or less by volume with air or that have a flammable range at 14.7 psi (101.3 kPa) with air of at least 12% regardless of the lower limit. These conditions must be established in accordance with ASTM E681-85, Standard Test Method for Concentration Limits of Flammability of Chemicals, or other approved equivalent method. The flammability of aerosols must be determined using the tests specified in 49 CFR 173.306(i).b. Division 2.2, Nonflammable, Nontoxic Gases. A material that does not meet the

      > definition of Division 2.1 or 2.3 and exerts in its packaging an absolute pressure of 40.6 psia (280 kPa) or greater at 68�F (20�C).c. Division 2.3, Toxic Gases. A material that is poisonous by inhalation and is a gas at 68�F (20�C) or less and a pressure of 14.7 psi (101.3 kPa) or a material that has a boiling point of 68�F (20�C) or less at 14.7 psi (101.3 kPa). Mailability3. 2Gases are prohibited in international mail. Toxic gases in Division 2.3 are prohibited in domestic mail. Flammable gases in Division 2.1 are prohibited in domestic mail via air transportation, but are permitted via surface transportation if the material can qualify as an ORM-D material and meet the standards in 3.3 and 3.4. Nonflammable gases in Division 2.2 are generally permitted in the domestic mail via air or surface transportation if the material can qualify as an ORM-D material and meet the standards in 3.3 and 3.4. Container3.3An other-than-metal primary receptacle

      > containing a mailable gas may be acceptable if the water capacity of the primary receptacle is 4 fluid ounces (7.22 cubic inches) or less per mailpiece and the primary receptacle meets 49 CFR requirements. Mailable nonflammable and flammable compressed gases are acceptable in metal primary receptacles that have a water capacity up to 33.8 fluid ounces (1 liter or 61.0 cubic inches), depending on their internal pressure. A DOT 2P container must be used as the primary receptacle if the internal pressure is from 140 to 160 psig at 130�F (55�C). A DOT 2Q container must be used as the primary receptacle if the pressure is from 161 to 180 psig at 130�F (55�C). A container with an internal pressure over 180 psig at 130�F (55�C) is prohibited from mailing. Mailable flammable compressed gases are restricted to 33.8 fluid ounces (1 liter) per mailpiece. Mailable nonflammable compressed gases are permitted in individual 33.8 fluid ounce (1 liter) containers

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      > > > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:27:19 +0000

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      > > > Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Fuel Question

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      > > > There's gotta be about five or more stores in LP that sell canisters, but to be spot on and get what you need, go to ELEVATION:

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      > > > It's right down the street, 395, north of the Dow Villa. YOU CAN NOT SEND GAS CANISTERS IN THE U.S. POST . . . ever been in a post office and the drone behind the counter asks if there's anything liquid, or explosive . . .

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      > > > We will be starting from Lone Pine. Is there a store in Lone Pine that sells MSR IsoPro canisters? If not, would you suggest sending the canisters to the PO in town or making arrangements with Bob Ennis, whom we plan to hire to drive us to the trailhead?

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