33031RE: [John Muir Trail] Water conditions between HI & Reds
- Jul 12, 2013"No shortage of water right now. All water sources are good."So there are eat least two water sources (both within about 45 minutes of the HD junction) after the Half Dome junction . . . the usual two that is???and water at Sunrise, from the TAP???
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:45:15 -0700
Subject: [John Muir Trail] Water conditions between HI & Reds
Just finished this section.
- No shortage of water right now. All water sources are good.
- Typical July, lots of mosquitos near water sources.
- Lakes (including Thousand Island & Gladys) are fairly warm and comfortable to swim in.
- Occasional thunderstorms in the late afternoon.
- No issues with snow.
Hey Bob we met last year near Red's on the
I appreciate the response. I was thinking
Paiute creek originally too to get a little more acclimated.
I figure after a day at Shaver and then a day at Piute
I should be in good shape for being somewhat acclimated
I've been on several 2-3 dayers already this
year and felt really good. Albeit the last one was an
easy trip on the Dinkey lakes loop with my 5 year old son
for his first trip ever.
My base weight, before food and water is around
13 lbs. As for bear creek trail,
I've been on it from the Dan many many times. I
guess my thinking was if I travelled it (I can get dropped
off no problem at the trail head) and slept along bear creek
at 8500-9000 and then powered through the next day for a
resupply at MTR and up to evolution valley to about
9500-10000 for better acclimatization was a thought.
But unlike your idea better and I've been on bear
creek lots of times it's not like I'd be missin
On the bear can....I just bought this bearikade
and haven't used it. I was going off what someone
else said I could fit...so it sounds like I can probably get
7-8 days in it and carry my first day in my pack and hang it
from the bridge. Sweet.
I'm not young but in strong but either way
the trip to onion valley sounds like a potential siren
convincing me to not go back.
Thanks agin for all the input
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On Jul 12, 2013, at 2:10 PM, robert shattuck <bobolonius@...>
"I am conditioned for
it, have a very light load for it, but those first days seem
to only net be about 10 miles a
Even though you've got all the elements
in place . . . you're conditioned, a light load and
plenty eager to do miles, just remember you're coming
from the flatlands, sort of––you're only gaining
roughly what, 2,500 feet or so from Shaver to Florence, but
still . . . a nice easy day to break it all
Florence to the Piute Creek Junction there at
Franklin Meadow would be a good first day . . . you can hang
that extra food off the bridge and then hit the switch-backs
up into Evolution in the morning. get your
"3) Would I benefit more from starting at
Bear Creek, going up and sleeping at the trail
You'd want to start at the Bear Creek
Cut-off trailhead and NOT the actual Bear Creek trailhead
which is a slightly gnarly four-wheel drive back in a few
miles . . . the Cutoff trailhead is just a few more minutes
up the road, but doing this versus Florence will add a day
to your trip.
I've started at the "BCCOT" a few
times, as late as about noon and made it all the way to
Marie Lakes by about 9-10 p.m. . . .
. . . but if I read this right and you would be
sleeping at the trailhead and then churning out your big
miles from early in the morning––you could totally be at
the MTR in the evening, but . . . they'll be closed and
you'll have to camp nearby . . . make your way across
the river in the dark to get to Blaney hot springs . . . if
you don't know where you're going, that's all
better done in the light of day.
"I am carrying a Bearikadede Weekender,
and I can fit 5 days of food and . . .
I carry a Garcia, which has slightly less
room than a Bearikade. Either you are hauling some large
items or you are not trying (smashing) hard enough . . . I
leave VVR with about 7-8 days of mountain house meals and
then some, in there . . . considering the cost of a
bearikade, it might be kind of late for you to get a larger
one, but this would easily solve all your problems of
whether or not to go out for a resupply.
"2) I have never hiked down Kearsage to
get a resupply....I'm afraid I'll get to town and .
. . "
Yes, you will––there's already a
burger and bed located in Bishop, with your name on it, just
begging you to come out of the mountains and give up on the
last little bit of the trail . . .
I must have missed the part where you give the
total amount of days you expect to do the trail in, but with
all your fitness and mileage goals, getting out at Kearsage
would be a waste of time.
If you've got the time, then go for it . . .
I've never quite figured (bothered) out the equation of
what it takes to hike out and come back in, versus just
carrying the little extra weight of your food and just
carrying on––especially when you're just so close to
I've met enough strong hikers out there, who
either had to go out for a resupply, or they just
wanted a "rest" day . . . and they never came back
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