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Re: [John_Lit] Water and Blood in 1 John 5:6

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  • jgibson000@comcast.net
    ... What indication do we have that the author of GMatthew, let alone that of GMark and GLuke as well that of GJohn were aware of, not to mention used in any
    Message 1 of 33 , Aug 17, 2010
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      On 8/17/2010 7:01 PM, Matthew Estrada wrote:
      > Hi Matthew,
      >
      > I, too, am enjoying our dialogue. Thanks for taking the time to seriously
      > consider how I have come to understand John's "water" symbolism (I owe it to you
      > to seriously consider your understanding of "water" being connected to the Holy
      > Spirit: I will respond to your points in my next post). I can see from your
      > closing paragraphs that you are beginning to get excited about this
      > interpretation. If there is anyway you can now go back and re-read my paper:), I
      > think it will help on things you may have missed the first time. The Cana
      > Miracle is like a "Magic Eye"- the more you get focused, the more you see what
      > is hidden underneath.
      >
      > I would like to include here a piece from my paper that will hopefully reinforce
      > what you are now beginning to seriously consider:
      >
      > "Perhaps Matthew (and the Synoptic authors) had already worked out a system for
      > using John the Baptist to personify
      > “the Law and the Prophets” in their gospels, based on Paul’s writings, and John
      > borrowed from both their’s and Paul
      > writing’s this idea?
      >
      What indication do we have that the author of GMatthew, let alone that
      of GMark and GLuke as well that of GJohn were aware of, not to mention
      used in any way at all, Paul's writings?.

      > In Mark 6:20 we read:
      > “…because Herod feared John and protected him, knowing him to be a righteous/
      > If we read Paul’s description of the Law in Romans 7:12, there we find the same
      > two Greek words employed that
      > were also used by Mark to describe the Baptist:
      > “So then, the law is holy/
      >
      What are these two Greek words?

      Jeffrey

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    • Matthew Miller
      ... Essentially.
      Message 33 of 33 , Aug 20, 2010
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        > I believe that I understand your argument: You want to interpret the first thing
        > in the comparison (water) in a literal fashion- as normal earthly "water" that
        > can only do what it was meant to do in whatever context it is found within John,
        > and then you want to interpret the second thing being compared/contrasted as
        > referring to something "symbolic"- something "more" than what the first thing
        > can do that is being compared/contrasted. Thus your "earthly" and "heavenly"
        > descriptions. Am I correct?

        Essentially.
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