Re: [John_Lit] Way, Truth, and the Life from John 14:4
- Thanks, Roger,
I'm not sure what you mean about Paul's receiving his teaching from Jesus,
but the Johannine-Pauline connections are interesting. A couple of decades
ago Michael Goulder wrote on Paul's being the Beloved Disciple ("An Old
Friend Incognito," SJT 45, 1992, pp. 487-513), although that overstates the
relationship. Still, if the Johannine tradition had some contextual
development within one of the Pauline churches, Pauline influence could have
gone in Johannine directions; if John the "pillar" in Gal. 2:9 had anything
to do with the Johannine tradition, Paul could have been influenced
At the SNTS Johannine Seminar sessions in Berlin last month, three good
papers on Johannine-Pauline connections were presented, so it is interesting
to at least consider some of the corrolaries.
On the water and the blood, testified to by the Spirit (1 Jn. 5:6-8), there
seems to be a connection with that to which the eyewitness testifies in Jn.
19:34-35--that water and blood came forth from the side of Jesus. The
emphasis here on Jesus' suffering humanity seems anti-docetist, and
therefore it is the ethical implications of a non-suffering Jesus being
advocated by the false teachers of 1 Jn. 4:1-3) that are being addressed in
1 John 5.
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:38 PM, rogermott3 <mottrogere3@...> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Glad to see some discussion going on here. This list has been devoid of
> posts for some time. I have been studying the so called "Gospel of Thomas "
> for several years and come to understand its "metaphors" for living water,
> light, and movement and rest of the Body. The triune theme is apparent
> there as well in the G of John. I understand all 3 to be "spirit". IMO,
> spirit as defined by Paul and Isaiah is something eyes have not seen nor
> ears heard.
> I agree with others here that Father/Moses is the living water,
> light/truth is the Word, and Life is the Holy Ghost called Agape Love in 1
> John 4:8,16 and Life by Jesus in John 14:4-6.
> When Thomas asked Jesus, how do we know the way? Jesus answered that he
> was the Way, Truth, and Life, no one comes to the Father except through the
> I can't help to notice that the synoptics also used the metaphors for
> Moses, Elias, and Jesus at the transfiguration. I do believe John the
> Baptist was identified with Moses and water/(way of the exodus), Elias was
> identified with fire/truth, and Jesus was also the Life which became flesh
> and dwelt amongst them.
> Both John the Evangelist and Paul received their teachings from Jesus so I
> would say that Paul received his instruction from both Jesus and John and
> the other Evangelists. The dates of the published NT writings are not that
> important and could be anytime in the 1st century. Paul certainly published
> before his martyrdom and John could have published later than Paul as he is
> reported by tradition to be long lived, perhaps into the 2nd century. There
> were copyists of John's work and Jack mentioned another John of Ephesus who
> could have been a copyist of John Zebedee, the Evangelist.
> Roger Mott
> Niagara County, NY
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