NIV John 6:4 The Jewish Passover Feast was near.
- My name is Jack Pilato, I am a chemist but have been a student of the
Bible for the last 20 plus years. I am not affiliated with any
institution but I am interested in eliminating socalled bible
My current interest is harmonizing the gospels and as you know the
gospel of John is much different than the synoptics. One area on which
there is differing opinion is the length of Christ's ministry, which by
many is taken to be 3 plus years. In Hoehner's book "Chronological
Aspects of the Life of Christ" he presents the views for 1,2,3 & 4 years
with a critique of each view. He then settles on the majority view.
John is the only writer who lists passovers, other than the final one
and Hoehners main objection to the one year theory is that John
definitely mentions three passovers. He also states that, Origen, who
held to the one year ministry was using a manuscript which did not
mention the John 6:4 passover.
In my study of John's use of the word feast, I found it used 17
times(KJV) and in every case where a feast is mentioned there are events
associated with the statement : EXCEPT for John 6:4. It hangs in mid air
neither referring to anything before it or after it.
I have two questions:
1. Does anyone have an explanation for John 6:4? Why is it there?
2. Is there a listing of ancient manuscripts which can be accessed
or a comparison of these manuscripts which can tell you how many have
John 6:4 in them and does it mention passover or just the word feast.
I wish to thank anyone in advance for any light that can be shed on this
- Jack Pilato wrote:
> I have two questions:a) Maybe the Passover time is an explanation for why so many people are
> 1. Does anyone have an explanation for John 6:4? Why is it there?
arround. They want to go to Jerusalem?
b) Wilckens: "In John the Passover is ALWAYS near."
> 2. Is there a listing of ancient manuscripts which can be accessedAll MSS have it, except that minuscles 472 and 850 omit the whole verse 6:4,
> or a comparison of these manuscripts which can tell you how many have
> John 6:4 in them and does it mention passover or just the word feast.
and 28 and 1424 omit "the feast".
Wieland Willker, Bremen, Germany
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> My name is Jack Pilato, I am a chemist but have been a student ofthe
> Bible for the last 20 plus years. I am not affiliated with anyWelcome Jack to our little discussion group.
> institution but I am interested in eliminating socalled bible
> I have two questions:there?
> 1. Does anyone have an explanation for John 6:4? Why is it
It may be a simple temporal indicator, telling when this incident
happened. But it is likely that there is more to it than this.
Passover was a feast at which unleavened bread was eaten in memory of
God's act in liberating the Jews from slavery in Egypt. At another
Passover, Jesus will lay down his life to free his people from
slavery to sin. John in his Gospel does not have the words of
institution of the Eucharist in his account of the Last Supper, but
is likely that his original readers would have been reminded, as they
read of the feeding of the 5,000 and the Bread-of-Life discourse
is connected with it, of the Lord's Supper which they celebrated when
they met for worship. At the feeding Jesus gives bread, which
sustains life; in the Bread-of-Life discourse it turns out that he
himself is the bread, the source and sustenance of our spiritual
"I am the living bread which has come down from heaven. Whoever eats
of this bread will live forever; and the bread which I will give for
the life of the world is my flesh...unless you eat the flesh of the
Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. those who
eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise
them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is
true drink."(6:51,53-55) John in his mention of Passover at 6:4
at all this. Time prohibits me from saying more at the moment, but
any good commentary on the Gospel should have more. Meanwhile I hope
that what I have said is helpful.
A very good book that is worth reading is: Juan Angel Onate-Ojeda, El
Paraclito Y Notas Exegeticas Sobre La Santisima Trinidad en San Juan
(Series Valentina 44; Valencia, 1998).
I am a doctoral student at St. Patrick's college Maynooth, preparing
a paper on the Paraclete in John's Gospel. I am interested in
canvassing some views from the group on the diverse meanings
attributed to the word such as Comforter, Healer, Encourager,
Advocate, the one who stands beside etc.
- Dear Tony, The writings of Felix Porsch such as Pneuma und Wort (Frankfurt
1974) are well worth reading on the Paraclete There is a review in the I
TQ. Best wishes to Maynooth. Sean p. Kealy c.S.Sp.
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>A very good book that is worth reading is: Juan Angel Onate-Ojeda, El
>Paraclito Y Notas Exegeticas Sobre La Santisima Trinidad en San Juan
>(Series Valentina 44; Valencia, 1998).
>I am a doctoral student at St. Patrick's college Maynooth, preparing
>a paper on the Paraclete in John's Gospel. I am interested in
>canvassing some views from the group on the diverse meanings
>attributed to the word such as Comforter, Healer, Encourager,
>Advocate, the one who stands beside etc.
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