Re: [John_Lit] John 21
your suggestion that John 21 was the lost ending of Mark is intriguing.
However, I would need to understand better what happened before and what
happened after. What is your general picture?
Is it something like:
1) Mark 1-16,8 + John 21 written as one Gospel
2) John 1-20 written as another indipendent Gospel
3) John 21 moved from the end of Mark to the end of John, after John 20,31
4) Mark 16,9-20 added after Mark 16,8 to replace the missing ending.
Is this you idea? Or should anything be corrected?
Marco V Fabbri
On 11/24/06, Jack Kilmon <jkilmon@...> wrote:
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> From: "Arlene Sheldon" <wellofbethlehem@...<wellofbethlehem%40yahoo.com>
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> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [John_Lit] John 21
> > Jack,
> > Regarding John 21, I have discovered a few interesting points. First,
> > there are several similarities between John 21 and the book of Jonah.
> > Jonah allows himself to be cast into the sea, and Peter casts himself
> > the sea. Jonah is swallowed by a fish, but Peter catches fish and then
> > eats some fish. The people of Ninevah don't know the difference between
> > their right hand and their left hand, so Jonah has to tell them. The
> > disciples don't know to fish on the right side of the boat, so Jesus has
> > to tell them. The King of Ninevah takes his robe off, but Peter puts his
> > clothes on. There is a discussion of whether Jonah should die, and
> > the people of Ninevah should live, and there is a discussion of how
> > will die, and whether John should live.
> > Second, there is a link between John 21 and Ezekiel 47:9,10, which says
> > an abundance of fish is caused by an abundance of water flowing into the
> > sea, and the abundance of fish in John 21 occurs when Jesus, the giver
> > living water, is standing on the shore.
> > Third, Jesus' cooking and serving breakfast seems to be linked to the
> > 23rd Psalm. When Jesus fed the multitudes, the people ate and were
> > satisfied, so they didn't "want." Jesus had them recline where there was
> > "much grass," like sheep in a pasture. He went to the other side of the
> > lake, and the people followed him, so he led them beside the still
> > Eventually, it's time to prepare the table of Psalm 23. Peter is
> > from Jesus because he denied him. They are "enemies," who need to be
> > reconciled. Jesus prepares the breakfast and invites Peter, who is very
> > reluctant to say that he loves Jesus. These apparent allusions to the
> > Psalm seem to establish that Jesus is the good shepherd who gives his
> > for the sheep.
> > Fourth, the most interesting link, and the one that seems to tie
> > everything else together, is the link between John 21 and Acts 2. Of the
> > six disciples who remain in the boat after Peter jumps out, two of them
> > were named explicitly, two were named indirectly, as "ones of Zebedee,"
> > and two are anonymous. As Peter wraps up his sermon on the day of
> > Pentecost in Acts 2, he says "the promise" is for three groups of people
> > 1) you, 2) your children 3) all who are afar off. Note the similarity
> > between these three groups of people and the three types of people on
> > boat in John 21 - people you address directly, children of people you
> > address directly, and people who are more distant, or unknown or
> > anonymous. The six disciples in the boat seem to be representative of
> > people Peter will address his remarks to on the day of Pentecost.
> > Lastly, there is a relationship between Jesus the good shepherd, who
> > gives his life for the sheep, and Jesus the giver of living water. This
> > relationship is found in 1 Chron 11:15-19. David's three men risk their
> > own lives to get David a drink of water from the well of bethlehem.
> > values the water as the blood of the men who obtained it for him. Like
> > men who obtained the water for David, Jesus sacrifices his own life to
> > the cost of providing the living water of the Holy Spirit to those who
> > believe and receive.
> > I wouldn't be too quick to say that John 21 was added on to the Gospel
> > John, because the Gospel of John doesn't seem to be complete without it.
> > Arlene Sheldon
> Very good observations. It is my opinion, however, that Ch 21 was
> originally the ending of Mark and appended tyo John in an attempt to
> reconcile Petrine-antiPetrine hostilities between the two.
> Jack Kilmon
> San Marcos, Texas
Prof. Marco V. Fabbri
Dipartimento di Sacra Scrittura
Pontificia Università della Santa Croce
Piazza S. Apollinare 49
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