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RE: [John_Lit] Digest Number 1045

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  • Tom Butler
    Bill, Thank you for taking the time to respond to my concerns. I value your perspective and suggestion. Yours in Christ s service, Tom Butler ...
    Message 1 of 2 , Nov 14, 2005
      Bill,
      Thank you for taking the time to respond to my
      concerns. I value your perspective and suggestion.

      Yours in Christ's service,
      Tom Butler

      --- Bill Skelton <wskelton76@...> wrote:

      > Tom
      >
      > Your concerns about the list are understandable but
      > in fact none of the SBL
      > lists are as active as they used to be. One wonders
      > if they will die out.
      >
      > This and most other lists are intended for
      > professional scholars competent
      > in the original languages and and familiar with the
      > literature. Others are
      > asked not to participate except to ask questions.
      > For this reason I myself
      > rarely contribute. I for one don't have a problem
      > with that rule. Others
      > may, perhaps legitimately, but, to be blunt, it is
      > not their decision to
      > make.
      >
      > Also, IMHO inquiries about an individuals should be
      > made off list to the
      > moderators.
      >
      > Jack Kilmon presumably exists, but if he does not
      > reply for any reason I
      > believe Felix Just, who is the owner of these lists,
      > will be happy to such
      > questions. Perhaps Elaine should get in touch with
      > him. His email is
      > available at his Gospel of John web site (highly
      > recommended by the way).
      > If you can't find it let me know and I will get it
      > for you.
      >
      > Bill Skelton
      > NYC
      >
      >
      > > [Original Message]
      > > From: <johannine_literature@yahoogroups.com>
      > > To: <johannine_literature@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Date: 11/13/2005 8:13:28 AM
      > > Subject: [John_Lit] Digest Number 1045
      > >
      > > There is 1 message in this issue.
      > >
      > > Topics in this digest:
      > >
      > > 1. Re: List Protocol and Purpose
      > > From: Tom Butler <pastor_t@...>
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      ________________________________________________________________________
      > >
      >
      ________________________________________________________________________
      > >
      > > Message: 1
      > > Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:49:52 -0800 (PST)
      > > From: Tom Butler <pastor_t@...>
      > > Subject: Re: List Protocol and Purpose
      > >
      > > Dear Jack Kilmon and J-Lit Members,
      > >
      > > Recently I received an off-list message
      > suggesting
      > > that you, Jack, do not really exist. Since you
      > have
      > > contributed to the list and since you are
      > identified
      > > as the "list owner" on the web site, I was and am,
      > > naturally, confused by that message. No doubt
      > someone
      > > is playing some sort of prank on me, for what
      > reason I
      > > cannot imagine.
      > >
      > > It prompts me to press an inquirey that I
      > > inadvertently (honestly) sent first to the whole
      > list,
      > > then directly to you regarding the participation
      > of
      > > Elaine Bessett, who uses the pen name Q Bee. You
      > > replied that you had been "AOL from the list for a
      > > while" and that Elaine should just re-apply. I
      > got
      > > from that the impression that you did not
      > > intentionally remove her from the list and that
      > you
      > > would act upon her application to re-join the
      > list.
      > > She tells me that she has re-applied, but has
      > received
      > > no response.
      > >
      > > As I mentioned in my earlier message, after
      > > re-reading the protocol for the list, it seems
      > clear
      > > that persons who violate the protocol will be
      > warned
      > > and then removed if they fail to heed the warning.
      >
      > > From private dialog with Elaine, I gather that she
      > was
      > > not aware of being officially warned by the list
      > owner
      > > (you) at any point. She has, however, been
      > engaged in
      > > somewhat heated debates with several contributors
      > to
      > > the list.
      > >
      > > Beyond these concerns, it troubles me that so
      > few
      > > people contribute to this list. My understanding
      > is
      > > that the list is an on-line tool of the Society of
      > > Biblical Literature, which includes many, if not
      > most
      > > of the finest Johannine scholars in the world. So
      > few
      > > engage in the discussions that I am left wondering
      > > whether I have mis-understood who it is with whom
      > I am
      > > seeking to engage in dialog.
      > >
      > > I am using the list to air my own understanding
      > and
      > > questions regarding the Fourth Gospel. I hope to
      > > contribute to the scholarly discussion of the text
      > and
      > > to learn from those whose scholarship is more
      > focused
      > > than my own or whose reading list is far longer or
      > > different from my own. I claim to be a scholar in
      > the
      > > classic sense that I am a student of the text and
      > of
      > > those who have demonstrated expertise in the study
      > of
      > > it. I gather that my participation is welcomed by
      > > persons who often have a much better claim to
      > being
      > > scholars than I do, largely because some of my
      > > questions are their questions, and some of my
      > ideas
      > > relate to some of theirs, and they are willing to
      > > engage in dialog with me. When I offer one of the
      > > nuggets from my study and one, two or no replies
      > are
      > > made, I wonder if I have stepped on hallowed
      > ground or
      > > violated some un-written rule.
      > >
      > > My understanding, based upon some of the
      > > presentations I heard when I attended the SBL
      > > Conference in Toronto 2(?) years ago, is that
      > > Johannine scholars world-wide are searching for
      > new
      > > tools with which to study the gospel. That
      > suggests an
      > > open-ness to new approaches, even un-tried
      > approaches.
      > > That suggests to me that this list is a place
      > where
      > > scholarly appraisals of new ideas can be expected.
      > Am
      > > I wrong?
      > >
      > > If I'm not wrong, then why would someone
      > offering
      > > new ideas be simply removed from the list? Is not
      > > fitting into established approaches a violation of
      > the
      > > protocol resulting in removal from the list? If
      > so,
      > > will I be next? Will I just disappear like Elaine
      > > has?
      > >
      > > Yours in Christ's service,
      > > Dr. Tom Butler, Pastor
      > > Sparks United Methodist Church,
      > > Sparks, Nevada, USA
      > >
      > > <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=system
      > color=#0000ff>Yours in Christ's
      > service,</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
      > > <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=System
      > color=#0000ff>Tom
      > Butler</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
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      <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=system color=#0000ff>Yours in Christ's service,</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
      <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=System color=#0000ff>Tom Butler</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
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