Re: [John_Lit] judgment in John 5
- View SourceHello Beata:
Amen, amen, I say to you, the hour is coming and is now here when the dead
will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
For just as the Father has life in himself, so also he gave to his Son the
possession of life in himself.
And he gave him power to exercise judgment, because he is the Son of Man.
Do not be amazed at this, because the hour is coming in which all who are in
the tombs will hear his voice
and will come out, those who have done good deeds to the resurrection of
life, but those who have done wicked deeds to the resurrection of condemnation.
"I cannot do anything on my own; I judge as I hear, and my judgment is just,
because I do not seek my own will but the will of the one who sent me. [NAB,
Verse 24, 27, 29, and 30 have *krisin*, and *kriseos* [krisis]; the term has
a richness about it: to separate, sort out; to condemn, judge, damn.
"I've got a lot of doubts about the concept of judment in John 5 esp.
v. 24 & 28f. Is judgment in these two sentences the same? Is it a
decision, division, condemnation, or something else?"
All of the above :-) .
The context, of course, is of eschatological and ecclesiological import,
laying the groundwork for the theological "four last things:" death, judgment,
More from our Greek scholars is doubtless forthcoming. I hope my remarks are
of some help.
Joseph Calandrino, FAAFP
Assistant Professor of Medicine
University Hospital School of Medicine
SUNY Stony Brook
Stony Brook, NY
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- View SourceThanks, Joe.
I'd like to add that I've read more than 30 comments on the subject
(commentaries, articles, dictionaries) and analysis of this text is a
part of my PhD thesis.
I'm wondering if krisis in v.24 is something done in the present and
which can change (in spite of the fact that metabainw is in perf); I
mean people can move from the sphere of thanatos (spiritula death) to
life if they arestening to Jesus' word and are believing (so he
continues to od these things). Otherwise, they are judged. But if a
man stops believing he comes back to thanatos/krisis. So, it's human
decision in confrontation with revelation in Jesus.
Then, after physical death (v. 28) we'll be called again by the same
voice and divided according to the (final?) decision we've made in
life. But the text speaks about doing good and evil - as if the
(last) judgment was according to our deeds.
Finally, I'm not sure if there's any connection with the Revelation's
idea of first resurrection (with J 5,24) and second death (J 5,29b).
And, consequently, if we can speak about second resurrection (5,29a)
and first death (v. 24).
doctorate candidate (I'm not sure what it is called in English,
please correct me if necessary. And forgive me my mistakes.)
Catholic University of Lublin