Re: [John_Lit] Re: Two anointing episodes?
- On 10/4/04 6:15 AM, "Tobias Hägerland" <tobias.hagerland@...>
>Lack of knowledge of Middle Eastern mystery rites really does leave one at a
> --- In email@example.com, Q Bee <artforms@n...>
>> If one is not familiar with the mysteries schools and Egyptian
>> practices of anointing of the feet as an initiation rites, the
> scenario is:
>> one 'dies to the old' and is born anew, just as is presently taught
> in the
>> concept of Christian baptism.
>> However, getting back to the occurrence of Mary who 'wiped his feet
> with her
>> hair', it does make sense that the mystery rite scenario is in play
>> the 'death and rebirth' of an initiation rite establish Jesus as
> the sacred
>> altar of the New Jerusalem while the head of the priest who is to
> serve at
>> the altar is anointed into service.
> For my part, I doubt that Egyptian/mystery religion rites throw any
> real light on this episode, or on GJohn at large.
disadvantage as a scholar, doesn't it?
> I find GJohn to beTobias, are you likely to think that Mary actually burst into song upon
> firmly set within Jewish thinking. The multiple references in this
> Gospel to religious celebrations and rituals are thoroughly Jewish,
> which is why I wished to draw attention to the lack of parallels to
> an anointing of the feet within early Jewish literature (I apologize
> for not bringing this out clearly). Now, I am not certain how we as
> readers are supposed to recognize that Jesus is the 'altar of the New
> Jerusalem' in this episode. But alright, we have the theme of Jesus'
> body as a Temple in GJohn, so let us suppose that he is depicted as
> the altar here. I would like to ask, then, why the altar of the new
> Jerusalem temple, which for all we know is expected to be a Jewish
> temple, is consecrated through an Egyptian ritual?
meeting with Elizabeth because Luke portrays their meeting in that manner?
> Further, I wonderSince you are uninformed regarding the mystery rites of Middle Eastern
> whether Egyptian priests consecrated themselves by rubbing their hair
> against the anointed altar?
groups I assume you may be unaware of your post's tone as well. If you
can't find a scenario for the anointing of a head in OT literature what can
be said? I highly recommend that you read Thomas W. Butler's "Let Her Keep
- On Dec 23, 2004, at 7:47 AM, pastor_t@... wrote:
> Hello Q Bee, Tobias and Old Friends from the J-Lit List,
> I am Thomas W. Butler. I have just re-joined this list after
> almost two years away. I am a United Methodist Pastor, having just
> made a transition from serving the First United Methodist Church of
> Tracy, California to being the Senior Pastor at Sparks United
> Methodist Church in Sparks, Nevada.
> I am the author of Let Her Keep It. Thank you, Q Bee, for
> recommending my book.
I'm very pleased to see you here once again.
Your book has been most helpful in teaching the layers of the fourth
gospel. I've given your address to several people and I hope they have
bought it from you. It had better stay in print so that I can continue
to send people your way. It is a very well crafted piece of work.
Peace and blessings to all. May you find the Christ in each person you
meet this Christmas season; and may you be the Christ to each of them.