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> Mart,I think the sequence you suggest of Revelation first and John later
> <<<Any idea why this Gospel does not name Jesus's is
> mother? It cannot be just sexism , because of the women who
> are named.>>>
> I suspect John's not naming Mary may be for the same reason
> that he is not named. As you would (most likely) know, I believe
> that the Gospel of John followed the Revelation (their dates
> being 62 and 68 respectively).
has merit but I'm confused on the dates. How could Revelation, which
refers to the martyrdoms of Peter and Paul in chapter 11, be written
in 62 when Peter and Paul were killed sometime between 64 and 67?
He does not name himself in
> the gospel using, instead, the `Beloved Disciple' to avoid anyThis explanation, though having a degree of circumstantial
> connection with the John of the Revelation and the possible
> consequences if the Roman authorities were to obtain a copy of
> the Apocalypse and pursue its author. In the Gospel John, the
> BD takes Mary into his own care, tradition has it that she went
> with him to Ephesus. As the mother of Jesus, the `Lord of lords
> and King of kings' whose followers worshipped him in place of
> Caesar, she was also in some danger. The silence, then, was
> protection for these two major characters at a time still so close
> to the violence and to whatever degree continuing hatred of
> Christians which would have made them persons of
> considerable interest to the authorities.
plausibility, is not necessary. The names John and Mary were common
at this time and merely mentioning their names in the Gospel would not
have put them in greater jeapardy. It's not as if they were giving
out their social security numbers or driver's liscence numbers! In
fact, I think a much simpler, less sensational reason for not naming
the BD and mother of Jesus is that the names John and Mary were
ubiquitous in the Jewish/Christian communities. The reason for not
naming Mary is because it was universally understood/taken for granted
that Jesus' mother's name was Mary and that what distinguished this
Mary from all others is that she was "the mother of Jesus" and hence
she is referred to in this way in GJn. There were many Johns in the
movement too (John the Baptist, John ben Zebedee, John Mark, John the
elder, etc.), what distinguished the Gospel's John from the others was
that this John was "the beloved disciple" and well known as such. One
is often referred to by ones' nickname (beloved disciple) among close
friends/associates. This indicates a tightknit community where John
was known and honored as Jesus' bossom buddy.
David Trapero M. Div.
F. C. Grant saw no problem in a combination of figurative and literal
meanings in 1 Peter 5:13. In his article on Mark in the Encyclopedia Americana he
wrote: "Further, the intimate reference in 1 Peter, joining Mark's greeting
with Peter's and those of the church in 'Babylon' (Rome?), would be more natural
if the relationship was physical as well as spiritual." According to Swete,
huios does not involve a spiritual relationship which in the Pauline Epistles
is expressed by teknon.
I have argued previously that Mark was forbidden by Jesus to accompany Peter
during the Galilean ministry. This did not preclude him from being a disciple
of John the Baptist. (Mathetes means learner or pupil.) J. E. Bruns wrote
two articles about the confusion between John and John Mark. In one he quotes
a document which claims Mark was with the servants at Cana. According to Mark
6:31, the trip which ended in the feeding of the five thousand was supposed
to be for a rest and there was no reason to make Mark stay home. Mark could
have been present when his grandmother was healed, in the fishing boat, and with
Peter when he went to Jerusalem for the Passover.
Mark's limited contact with Jesus explains why we have just these relatively
few stories about Jesus. There were many other things which Jesus did. Could
John 21:24f be Mark's ending to his notes?
George Melick, Drexel University (Retired)
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Red Bank, NJ 07701