Re: [John_Lit] Jesus' relations
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From: "Kevin O'Brien" <symeon@...>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:14 PM
Subject: [John_Lit] Jesus' relations
Since this is the furthest form of conjecture, I would prefer to discuss it
off list and will respond in that manner.
> To Jack Kilmon
> Dear Jack,
> This is one of my longer postings but your objections cannot be treated
satisfactorily by a piecemeal type of response, so here goes: I think the
best way to begin answering your objections, (there are many!) esp.
concerning Jesus' relations is to give you my modification to the
Hieronymian Hypothesis in detail and let you see how it affects your overall
arguments to the contrary:
> Modifications to the Hieronymian Hypothesis
> My modification of the Hieronymian hypothesis outlined below proposes that
the 'brethren' of Mark 6:3 par. John 7:5 consisted of two groups of two
persons each. The first paired group consisted of Simon and (possibly) Jude
as first cousins of Jesus. The second paired group consisted of James and
Joses but not as blood-brothers of Jesus but nonetheless related to him as
other than first cousins.
> Clopas/Cleopas - the same person, not from a philological derivation but
from his shortened name arising from a domestic situation of living in the
same house complex as the writer of the Fourth Gospel who gives us his
shortened name -- and Joseph were uterine brothers. Alphaeus was only
distantly related to them. How far distant no-one knows. Alphaeus' married
the 'Mary' mentioned in John 19.25; Mark 15.40, 47; Matt 27.56. Their
children were James and Joses. Alphaeus then died, (probably with Joseph
killed in the civil war which raged in Galilee (see Jos. Antiquities), that
ensued upon Herod the Great's death, by that leaving this same 'Mary' free
to re-wed. Clopas first married an unknown woman, their offspring being
Simon and Jude. Clopas' first wife then was the mother of Simon and Jude.
Clopas' first wife then died, by that leaving Clopas free to re-wed.