Re: [John_Lit] A brief point on Pepys
- (I had been hoping to disengage myself from this
discussion of the PGH, but since my name has been
brought up, I want to ensure that I have not been
Emmanuel Fritsch wrote:
> 1- About Jn 20:8, Horace Jeffery Hodges wrote tohave
> > Now if the Pepys document reflects the original
> > Greek, then one would expect the original Greek to
> > have been "dokeo". The Greek documents that we
> > read have "pisteuo", so if your theory about theBy "you may imagine", do you mean "man k�nnte sich
> > Pepys document's primitiveness is correct, then we
> > should expect that the original Greek was changed
> > from "dokeo" to "pisteuo". This doesn't mean that
> > your argument cannot work, but it does add a
> > complication.
> In a multi-stage perspective, you may imagine that
> a pre-canonical gospel used the word "dokeo", in a
> sentence close to Pepys, and then a final redaction
> modified it to present the BD as the first believer
> of the resurection, using the verb "pisteuo".
Anyway, yes, I think that that's the sort of argument
that Yuri would have to make, and it would rather
complicate matters. In particular, it would have to
mean (as you note) that the so-called "beloved
disciple" was originally not an ideal disciple because
he held a false opinion about the empty tomb, namely,
that "they" (the Roman? Jewish? authorities) had taken
the body away.
Such being the case, Yuri would need to explain the
PGH as having drawn upon two different Johannnine
presentations of this disciple, an earlier Johannine
presentation as just another disciple and a later
Johannine presentation as the BD -- not impossible, I
realize, but a complication.
> 3- About BD, Jeffery Hodges wrote:suspected
> > Also -- as I mentioned previously -- the fact that
> > the Pepys manuscript refers to Peter and the
> > beloved disciple as "Saint" Peter and "Saint" John
> > suggests that it has undergone ecclesiastical (or
> > at least "pious") editing.
> Since all names in PGH have been modified into their
> canonical designation, it is obvious that the BD
> designated as John the evangelist should be
> as a middle age interpolation. If you reject thisBy "you", I presume that you mean "Yuri" (or "man"?)
> suspicion, you should explain your arguments. For
> that time being, Yuri did not.
since I agree that the PGH has "Saint Peter", "Saint
John", etc. as later interpolations.
Assistant Professor Horace Jeffery Hodges
Hanshin University (Korean Theological University)
447-791 Kyunggido Osan-City
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