1890Re: [John_Lit] Beloved Disciple passages in ms Pepys
- Aug 12 2:51 PMOn Mon, 6 Aug 2001, John N. Lupia wrote:
> --- In johannine_literature@y..., Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku@t...> wrote:John,
> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, John Lupia wrote:
> > > Yuri, the woman doorkeeper mentioned in John 18,16 was typical
> during > > this period
> > John, I wonder what is the basis for your view that a girl would
> normally > be given the job of guarding the doors of such an important
> personage as > Caiaphas.
> Yuri, the Book of Job, written between 600-450 BC evidences the
> Palestinian custom of female doorkeepers. For example, Samuel L.
> Terrien, Job.(Neuchatel, Editions Delachaux & Niestle,1963) dates it
> to 575 BC If Terrien's dating is correct then female doorkeepers in
> Israel had a history for at least 600 years from the Book of Job to
> St. John's Gospel where he mentions a female doorkeeper.
Actually, this is more commonly known as the Testament of Job. Bankole
Davies-Browne argues that it is a Christian work,
Testament of Job
> Job 2, 7 The Evil One, having failed in this, went away and tookThere are a number of questions about this passage, and about this whole
> upon his shoulder an old, torn basket and went in and spoke to
> the doorkeeper saying: "Tell Job : Give me bread from thine
> hands that I may eat". 8 And when I heard this, I gave her burnt
> bread to give it to him, and I made known to him : "Expect not to
> eat of my bread, for it is forbidden to thee". 9 But the door-keeper,
> being ashamed to hand him the burnt and ashy bread, as she
> did not know that it was Satan, took of her own fine bread and
> gave it to him. 10 But he took it and, knowing what occured, said
> to the maiden : "Go hence, bad servant, and bring me the bread
> that was given thee to hand to me". "
text more generally and its dating. For example, one may suppose that the
detail about replacing inedible bread with good bread would presuppose a
female servant doing it. So then the female doorkeeper would be more or
less required by the logic of this story.
Again, Job of the story seems to be just a regular middle-class citizen,
so it would not be surprising that a female servant has the job of opening
the door in his household.
Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.trends.ca/~yuku
Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority,
it is time to reform -=O=- Mark Twain
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