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  • Re: Water Changing Device

    Hello Jim, Most interested in your CP4U device as I had not heard of it before. Probably am repeating all of this. I am deeply into Alkaline Water and

    ddnfsn7 1 day ago
  • Re: Water Changing Device

    Hi JimIs there any relation with EZ water (Exclusion Zone) as per Gerald Pollock research?Or do you know anything new, about water, i am reading a lot about

    tijean1961 1 day ago
  • Re: Water Changing Device

    Hi Bob: _CP4U_ Here is what I have discovered recently: Point plus at the alternater. That seems to be best. However, when you read what I wrote before, the

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You have reached a truly extraordinary group. It is a place where people come to learn how to run their car without petrol, or any other conventional fuel, by means of device known as a Joe Cell. Incredible, but true!

The device, though apparently simple, is hard to build and commission. The reasons are:-

(i) build must be compliant with Joe's design. The design is well known to the group and replication is within the ability of any determined person

(ii) materials selection is critical but the means to getting this right are incomplete

(iii) alignment of the cell is important but the means to getting this right are incomplete

(iv) the device uses a form of energy that is strongly influenced by the energy field of the operator ("Y factor"). The single technical means to overcoming a problematic Y-factor of which the group is aware is cumbersome and beyond the discipline of the majority of experimenters

These four account for the low success rate. Since the inception of this group in 2001 we have had only eight members that have succeeded in running a car solely by means of the cell and who have reported this to the group; two are still with us. There may be others who have succeeded but not reported - this is unknown. There have been many more experimenters who have succeeded in improving their fuel economy using "shandy mode".

The cost of a complete set-up excluding a suitable car is usually between zero and USD1000.

The price of suitable cars varies dramatically and we suggest that experimenters research this before proceeding.

Most experimenters take more than 300 man-hours across several months to complete their first proper shot - many experimenters take longer than that.

Please join knowing the above, but please also look at the prize. If you succeed you will have done something truly extraordinary, something that will change, not just your car, but maybe the rest of your life.

See you on the group!

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  • Jun 21, 2001
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