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  • Harold Smith
    ... Dear Rob, You seem to be confusing things. The Bible speaks clearly, 1 Tim.2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ
    Message 1 of 89 , Jan 1, 2004
      At 12:14 AM 1/1/2004, you wrote:
      >You're forgeting one little detail Max. Isn't Jesus God? What kind of
      >mediator mediates between others and himself? So if you have man, and
      >God the Son, who is in between? Or are we to forget that Jesus is God
      >in this case?
      >
      >-Rob
      >

      Dear Rob,
      You seem to be confusing things. The Bible speaks clearly, 1 Tim.2:5 For
      there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

      You will notice that it is "the man" [not Jesus, as God] that is mediating.
      It is not a case of forgetting that Jesus is God, but seeing Him in the
      role of a man and God's Servant.

      Warmly,
      Harold





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    • warrior_of_the_sword
      Perfect love casteth out fear. ... lost ... meetin ... Lord! ... jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, warrior_of_the_sword ... I ll ... to ...
      Message 89 of 89 , May 1, 2005
        Perfect love casteth out fear.

        --- In jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa"
        <eternity39us@y...> wrote:
        > --- Jesus said, "I am with you even to the end of the world."
        >
        > Who are we to fear, God is with us, who can be against us?
        >
        > Praise His Name!
        >
        > In jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa"
        > <eternity39us@y...> wrote:
        > > --- Go, you go, therefore, and do what Jesus commanded his
        > disciples
        > > to do. \
        > >
        > > Preach, teach, and baptise in the Name of the Father, The Son and
        > The
        > > Holy Spirit.
        > >
        > > Hey we are His witnesses are we?
        > >
        > > Praise the Lord!
        > >
        > > In
        > jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "warrior_of_the_sword"
        > > <warrior_of_the_sword@y...> wrote:
        > > > All praise goes to God. I am but clay, He is the potter. I am
        > just
        > > a
        > > > foot soldier, He is the Commander.
        > > >
        > > > --- In jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa"
        > > > <eternity39us@y...> wrote:
        > > > > --- God Bless You. Faith comes by hearing the word of God.
        > How
        > > > will
        > > > > they hear, unless someone preach. God Bless You.
        > > > >
        > > > > In
        > > >
        > jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "warrior_of_the_sword"
        > > > > <warrior_of_the_sword@y...> wrote:
        > > > > > I'm ready to head to the street corner and preach to the
        lost
        > > and
        > > > > > dying.
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > > --- In jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa"
        > > > > > <eternity39us@y...> wrote:
        > > > > > > --- Shout on Brother Jim cause I am shouting with you. I
        > > feel
        > > > > like
        > > > > > > dancing. Praise the Lord!
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > In
        > > > > >
        > > >
        > jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "warrior_of_the_sword"
        > > > > > > <warrior_of_the_sword@y...> wrote:
        > > > > > > > AMEN!
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > I'm a shoutin and I'm not even in the doors of the
        meetin
        > > > house
        > > > > > > yet :)
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > --- In
        > jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa"
        > > > > > > > <eternity39us@y...> wrote:
        > > > > > > > > ---Believer's Hope. The Hope of Glory. Praise the
        Lord!
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > In
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > >
        > >
        jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "warrior_of_the_sword"
        > > > > > > > > <warrior_of_the_sword@y...> wrote:
        > > > > > > > > > Praise God, I'll not only be seeing the kingdom,
        I'll
        > > be
        > > > in
        > > > > > it,
        > > > > > > > and
        > > > > > > > > > fully expect to see you there and would love to see
        > > every
        > > > > > other
        > > > > > > > > > member of this board there.
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > Those of us who are boarn again, I look forward to
        > > > meeting
        > > > > > you,
        > > > > > > > > > either here, or there :)
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > --- In
        > > > jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa"
        > > > > > > > > > <eternity39us@y...> wrote:
        > > > > > > > > > > --- True.
        > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > Yes, one must be born again to enter in and even
        to
        > > see
        > > > > the
        > > > > > > > > Kingdom
        > > > > > > > > > > of God. Yes.
        > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > In
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > >
        > jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "warrior_of_the_sword"
        > > > > > > > > > > <warrior_of_the_sword@y...> wrote:
        > > > > > > > > > > > Some things on this earth we are to mind though.
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is, they are expecting to see a
        > kingdom
        > > > > that
        > > > > > > the
        > > > > > > > > > Bible
        > > > > > > > > > > > says they can't see unless they are born again.
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
        > > > > > jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa"
        > > > > > > > > > > > <eternity39us@y...> wrote:
        > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Carnal minded. They mind the things upon
        > > this
        > > > > > earth.
        > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > >
        > >
        jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "warrior_of_the_sword"
        > > > > > > > > > > > > <warrior_of_the_sword@y...> wrote:
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Sytan. You are echoing what I
        have
        > > been
        > > > > > > brinign
        > > > > > > > > > out.
        > > > > > > > > > > > The
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > JW's teach that only 144,000 will be born
        > > again,
        > > > > but
        > > > > > > like
        > > > > > > > > you
        > > > > > > > > > > > > posted
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > there in John3, to just see the kingdom you
        > > need
        > > > to
        > > > > > > born
        > > > > > > > > > again.
        > > > > > > > > > > > So
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > why is the average JW who claims to not be
        > born
        > > > > > again,
        > > > > > > > > > looking
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > forward to a kingdom that the Bible says
        they
        > > > will
        > > > > > not
        > > > > > > > even
        > > > > > > > > > see
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > without being born again?
        > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've noticed I'm not getting a straight
        > answer
        > > on
        > > > > > this
        > > > > > > > from
        > > > > > > > > > > them.
        > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
        > > > jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com,
        > > > > > > > > > > > > setfreein1973@a...
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/30/2005 2:58:26 PM
        > > Eastern
        > > > > > > > Daylight
        > > > > > > > > > > Time,
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debracarter52@y... writes:
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vicki, we can be assured of a glorious
        > life
        > > on
        > > > > > earth
        > > > > > > > > > forever
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > without
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heavenly hope. When Jesus spoke
        about
        > > > > > > being "born
        > > > > > > > > > again"
        > > > > > > > > > > > he
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > said
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it was necessary in order to enter
        > the
        > > > > > kingdom
        > > > > > > of
        > > > > > > > > > God,
        > > > > > > > > > > > his
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly government.{John 3:5 and 2]
        The
        > > > Bible
        > > > > > also
        > > > > > > > > shows
        > > > > > > > > > > > that
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > many
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people who do the will of God will live
        > here
        > > > on
        > > > > > > earth,
        > > > > > > > > as
        > > > > > > > > > > > happy
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects under this perfect government
        > ruled
        > > > > from
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heaven......Christian Love, Debra
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Deb,
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you notice in John 3:3-5, it says:
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Jesus answered and said to him, Most
        > > > assuredly,
        > > > > I
        > > > > > > say
        > > > > > > > to
        > > > > > > > > > > you,
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > unless one is
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born again, he cannot see the kingdom of
        > > God.
        > > > > > > > Nicodemus
        > > > > > > > > > > said
        > > > > > > > > > > > to
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > Him, how
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can a man be born when he is old? Can he
        > > enter
        > > > a
        > > > > > > > second
        > > > > > > > > > > time
        > > > > > > > > > > > > into
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > his mother's
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > womb and be born? Jesus answered, most
        > > > > assuredly,
        > > > > > I
        > > > > > > > say
        > > > > > > > > > to
        > > > > > > > > > > > you,
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > unless one
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is born of water and the Spirit, he
        cannot
        > > > enter
        > > > > > the
        > > > > > > > > > kingdom
        > > > > > > > > > > > of
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > God." NKJV.
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you notice in John 10:14-16, it reads:
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I am the good shepherd, and I know My
        > sheep,
        > > > and
        > > > > > am
        > > > > > > > > known
        > > > > > > > > > by
        > > > > > > > > > > > My
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > own. As
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Father knows Me, even so I know the
        > > Father,
        > > > > and
        > > > > > I
        > > > > > > > lay
        > > > > > > > > > > down
        > > > > > > > > > > > > My
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > life for the
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sheep. And other sheep I have which are
        not
        > > of
        > > > > this
        > > > > > > > fold;
        > > > > > > > > > > them
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > also I must
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring, and they will hear my voice; and
        > there
        > > > > will
        > > > > > be
        > > > > > > > one
        > > > > > > > > > > flock
        > > > > > > > > > > > > and
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > one
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shepherd." NKJV
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, Jesus makes two points here to his
        > > > > Apostles,
        > > > > > > (1)
        > > > > > > > > The
        > > > > > > > > > > > > Apostles
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > are his
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sheep, part of the sheep fold (2) Jesus
        > told
        > > > the
        > > > > > > > Apostles
        > > > > > > > > > > there
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be other
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sheep in the future that will be part of
        > the
        > > > > sheep
        > > > > > > > fold.
        > > > > > > > > > > > Notice
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus did
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not say only the 144,000 will be only be
        > part
        > > > of
        > > > > > the
        > > > > > > > > sheep
        > > > > > > > > > > > fold.
        > > > > > > > > > > > > I
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > see no
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where in the scriptures that only the
        > 144,000
        > > > are
        > > > > > > part
        > > > > > > > of
        > > > > > > > > > the
        > > > > > > > > > > > > sheep
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > fold.
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am speaking from my heart, if you
        > would
        > > > to
        > > > > > > notice
        > > > > > > > > > what
        > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > tells
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you, you must be born Again, there is no
        > > > > exceptions
        > > > > > > to
        > > > > > > > > the
        > > > > > > > > > > > rule.
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only way
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can enter the kingdom of God, is to be
        > > born
        > > > > > again,
        > > > > > > > do
        > > > > > > > > > you
        > > > > > > > > > > > see
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > this Deb?
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let these words of Jesus sink into your
        > > heart,
        > > > do
        > > > > > > not
        > > > > > > > > > listen
        > > > > > > > > > > > to
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > any
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization that says that only the
        > 144,000
        > > > are
        > > > > > born
        > > > > > > > > > again.
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I only ask you to obey God's word of the
        > > Bible,
        > > > I
        > > > > > do
        > > > > > > > not
        > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribe
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > to any
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > teaching that says differently I only ask
        > you
        > > > to
        > > > > > read
        > > > > > > > the
        > > > > > > > > > > words
        > > > > > > > > > > > > of
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus from
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the gospel of John, in that gospel, Jesus
        > > > reveals
        > > > > > > > Himself
        > > > > > > > > > to
        > > > > > > > > > > us
        > > > > > > > > > > > > who
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is and
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is.
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you willing to just read the Bible
        and
        > > not
        > > > > the
        > > > > > > > > > > Watchtower
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > literature
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deb?
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Servant of Jesus,
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have
        > been
        > > > > > removed]
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