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  • andy_psa51
    Mark You see this is the problem. The ministers who try to put people in heaven that are NOT self confessed christians are not really proper ministers are
    Message 1 of 136 , Mar 1, 2006
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      Mark
      You see this is the problem.
      The ministers who try to put people in heaven that are NOT 'self
      confessed' christians are not really proper ministers are they?
      Just because they wear a gown and have the gift of the gab
      doesn't mean that they wear Christ and have the gift of the Spirit.
      The head of the CHURCH is CHRIST not the head of the minister
      is Christ. The head of the society's church is the governing body
      Just like the Catholic church. Christ is second to both these
      organization's governments.
      A minister, paster, bishop or whatever, is nothing
      more than a shepherd. The christian decides through their own
      discernment which church they think is Spirit filled and preaching
      truth and opeating in love. Then they decide to submit to this
      particular church body, not out of having to do what they say but to
      become a part of that body to minister as well as receive ministry.
      The bible is full of warnings about the fact that their are 'so
      called' followers of Christ who appear to be the real thing but are
      false. They scatter instead of gather. Onne of the signs that they
      are false is that THEY establish ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY.
      Remind you of anyone? :)

      Paul says, "For the time will come when men will not put up with
      sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather
      around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching
      ears want to hear".

      Notice that the ministers are established by the people?
      But, some want to hear comfortable truths and not God's truths
      hence, we have liberal ministers.

      The society throws all of christendom in the same trof in order to
      make themselves shine in your eyes. The fact that you all have to
      lick their boots makes it appear that you are all in harmonious
      agreement.
      There is a difference between submision and dictation. The Mormons
      are all in harmonious agreement arn't they? Is that because they've
      OBVIOUSLY found the truth in the book of mormon? or is it because
      the mormons have to do what bro Smith tells them?

      A true minister will not say that a dead person is going to heaven
      or hell if they are uncertain. Its in God's hands. Only God knows
      the heart.
      It's the same with the society's ministers, they don't know what
      Jehovah is going to do with a once faithfull JW servant. It's in
      Jehovah's hands.

      blessings
      andy

      --- In jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "superbird_fan"
      <superbird_fan@...> wrote:
      >
      > Sorry Andy, I'm not ignoring it. It is invalid. A person who
      dies
      > pays the price of their sin. Once dead how is this one to be
      > destroyed? Therefore there is no point to drive home.
      >
      > Yet ministers will indeed put known sinners in heaven. I have
      been
      > there when they have done so.I heard it for myself. Why?
      >
      > Mark
      >
    • Teresa
      Jim, let me ask you this one question. How one becomes a child of God? Teresa ... our ... make ... because ... the ... of ... all ... 1:2). ... Eternal ...
      Message 136 of 136 , Apr 10 6:08 PM
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        Jim, let me ask you this one question. How one becomes a child of
        God?

        Teresa

        --- In jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "Jim"
        <warrior_of_the_sword@...> wrote:
        >
        > Thats 100% right Teresa.
        >
        >
        > Satan's lie says that we who have been perfected FOREVER can lose
        > that perfection. Satan's lie says that we who have been passed from
        > death to life, can pass back to death. Satan's lie says that we can
        > lose the seal (aka the promise of God) of the Holy Spirit that is
        our
        > earnest payment. Satan's lie says that Jesus didn't do enough with
        > His death, burial and resurrection, that we have to do works to
        make
        > up what Jesus was unable to do.
        >
        > Where do you find these lies taught? In cults like the Watchtower
        > religion, various pentecostal/charismatic sects, the LDS religion,
        > the Campbellite religion, just to name a few.
        >
        >
        > The following lists proves that a child of God is 100% secure, not
        > because of what he/she does, but because of what Jesus did and what
        > God has said and promised. Those opposed to eternal security are
        > those who will argue against the clear teaching of the Bible
        because
        > of their false beliefs and thei own god/savior complex.
        >
        > Eternal Security, aka Once saved ALWAYS saved is true:
        >
        > 1. BECAUSE OF THE TERMS USED TO DESCRIBE SALVATION. "Eternal life"
        > (Jn. 3:16; 1 Jn. 5:11); "full assurance" (He. 6:11; Col.
        > 2:2); "strong consolation" (He. 6:18); "hope ... sure and stedfast"
        > (He. 6:19).
        >
        > 2. BECAUSE OF WHAT WE ARE. All of the following are spoken of in
        the
        > present tense; this is the present condition of each true believer
        > (1) Forgiven (Ro. 4:7; 1 Jn. 2:12). (2) Justified (Ro. 5:1,9; Tit.
        > 3:7) (3) Risen with Christ (Ro. 6:3-6; Col. 3:1,2). (4) Reconciled
        > (Ro. 5:10). (5) Accepted in the beloved (Ep. 1:6). (6) Saved (Ep.
        > 2:8,9; 2 Ti. 1:9). (7) Citizens of Heaven (Ph. 3:20). (8) Children
        of
        > light (1 Th. 5:5). (9) Not of the world (Jn. 17:16). (10) Elect (1
        > Pe. 1:2). (11) Born again (1 Pe. 1:2,23). (12) New creation (2 Co.
        > 5:17). (13) Complete in Him (Col. 2:10). (14) Sanctified once for
        all
        > (He. 10:10). (15) Perfected forever (He. 10:14). (16) Passed from
        > death unto life (1 Jn. 3:14). (17) Sanctified in Christ (1 Co.
        1:2).
        > (18) Light in the Lord (Ep. 5:8). (19) A child of God forever (Ro.
        > 8:15; Ga. 4:4-7; 1 Jn. 3:1). (20) Made fit for Heaven (Col. 1:12).
        >
        > 3. BECAUSE OF WHERE WE ARE. (1) In the heavenlies with Christ (Ep.
        > 2:5-6). (2) In God's family (Ga. 3:26; 1 Jn. 3:2). (3) Translated
        > into the kingdom of His dear Son (Col. 1:13). (4) Brought near (Ep.
        > 2:13).
        >
        > 4. BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE. (1) Peace with God (Ro. 5:1). (2)
        Eternal
        > life (Jn. 3:16). (3) Sealing of the Holy Spirit (Ep. 1:12-14). (4)
        > All spiritual blessings (Ep. 1:3). (5) Access to God (Ep. 2:18).
        (6)
        > An Advocate with the Father (1 Jn. 2:1-2). (7) Eternal redemption
        > (He. 9:12). (8) Forgiveness of sins (Ep. 1:7; Col. 1:14; 2:13). (9)
        > Mercy (1 Pe. 2:10). (10) Eternal glory (2 Ti. 2:10). (11)
        Everlasting
        > consolation (2 Th. 2:16). (12) An Intercessor in Heaven (Ro. 8:34).
        >
        > 5. BECAUSE OF WHAT IS PAST. (1) The law of sin and death (Ro. 8:2).
        > (2) Death and wrath (Col. 3:3; Ro. 6:11; 1 Th. 5:9). (3)
        Condemnation
        > (Jn. 5:24). (4) Night and darkness (1 Th. 5:5).
        >
        > 6. BECAUSE OF OUR PROMISES. (1) The glory of God (Ro. 5:2). This
        > speaks of Christ's kingdom glory (2) Redemption of the body (Ro.
        8:23-
        > 24; Ph. 3:21). (3) Never perish (Jn. 10:27-28). (4) Predestinated
        to
        > be conformed to the image of Christ (Ro. 8:28- 29). (5) Shall
        appear
        > with Christ in glory (Col. 3:3-4). (6) Not appointed to wrath but
        to
        > salvation (1 Th. 5:9). (7) Delivered from the wrath to come (1 Th.
        > 1:10). (8) Incorruptible inheritance (1 Pe. 1:4). (9) He that hath
        > begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus
        > Christ (Ph. 1:6). (10) Shall never die (Jn. 11:26). (11) Glorious
        > liberty of the children of God (Ro. 8:21). (12) God shall confirm
        you
        > unto the end (1 Co. 1:8). (13) Eternal inheritance (He. 9:15). (14)
        > Shall be saved from wrath (Ro. 5:9). (15) Cannot be separated from
        > God's love (Ro. 8:31-39).
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In jehovahswitnessesgathering@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa"
        > <eternity39us@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Just another example of the old serpent, better known as satan,
        > with
        > > his lies again.
        > >
        > > Just as God did not tell a lie about the first human pair Adam
        and
        > > Eve. He forewarned them not to eat of the tree, least you shall
        > > die. Then I be darn! Here comes satan with his lies. You can
        eat
        > > of the tree, thy shall not die. What happened to Adam and Eve,
        did
        > > they not die?
        > >
        > > Satan again at his craftiness and infamous for lying. He was a
        > thief
        > > and a liar from the beginning and is opposite or in opposition to
        > God.
        > >
        > > Rest assured my friends. What does God's word tell us at John
        > 3:16?
        > > Do you believe it? I believe it! God can not tell a lie!
        > >
        > > Teresa
        > >
        >
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