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  • Paresh Motiwala
    Dear Damian, Some time back I have already expressed my views regarding your doubt.. For your benefit I repeat what I feel... I feel that joining the armed
    Message 1 of 5 , Jan 19, 2003
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      Dear Damian,
      Some time back I have already expressed my views
      regarding your doubt.. For your benefit I repeat what
      I feel...

      I feel that joining the armed forces can only be
      justified from the Jainism point of view only if it is
      for self defence or for the defence of our culture,
      religion and heritage and for the honest well being of
      subjects...
      Agrression and war for greed can never be justified..

      If for any determinate moment the war is for greed or
      selfish motives it cannot be justified. And if such a
      situation arises one should better leave the armed
      forces.

      There is atleast one country in this world which has
      showed this maturity in this respect and is the most
      responsible one and that is INDIA because ....
      ""India never invaded any country in her last 10000
      years of history""

      Paresh




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      Hi Paresh and all<BR>
      I have a question: If in a determinate moment we feel
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      not for self defense, we should leave it?<BR>
      DamiFB<BR>
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    • Damian
      Dear friend Paresh: Thank you, we agree. But, can this decision be individual? DamiFB ... From: Paresh Motiwala To:
      Message 2 of 5 , Jan 20, 2003
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        Dear friend Paresh:
        Thank you, we agree. But, can this decision be individual?
        DamiFB
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Paresh Motiwala" <jin_par@...>
        To: <jainfriends@yahoogroups.com>
        Cc: "Samyakgyan" <samyakgyan@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:54 AM
        Subject: Re: [Jain Friends] What is Estreme Ahimsa? ALL POSITIVE


        > Dear Damian,
        > Some time back I have already expressed my views
        > regarding your doubt.. For your benefit I repeat what
        > I feel...
        >
        > I feel that joining the armed forces can only be
        > justified from the Jainism point of view only if it is
        > for self defence or for the defence of our culture,
        > religion and heritage and for the honest well being of
        > subjects...
        > Agrression and war for greed can never be justified..
        >
        > If for any determinate moment the war is for greed or
        > selfish motives it cannot be justified. And if such a
        > situation arises one should better leave the armed
        > forces.
        >
        > There is atleast one country in this world which has
        > showed this maturity in this respect and is the most
        > responsible one and that is INDIA because ....
        > ""India never invaded any country in her last 10000
        > years of history""
        >
        > Paresh
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --- Damian <damifb@...> wrote:
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        >
        > <tt>
        > Hi Paresh and all<BR>
        > I have a question: If in a determinate moment we feel
        > that armed forces are<BR>
        > not for self defense, we should leave it?<BR>
        > DamiFB<BR>
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      • Paresh Motiwala
        Dear Damian, If each individual of a nation behaves in a responsible way, it automatically becomes the decision of the whole nation and further the whole
        Message 3 of 5 , Jan 20, 2003
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          Dear Damian,
          If each individual of a nation behaves in a
          responsible way, it automatically becomes the decision
          of the whole nation and further the whole world. Do
          you agree?
          Paresh


          --- Damian <damifb@...> wrote:
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          <tt>
          Dear friend Paresh:<BR>
          Thank you, we agree. But, can this decision be
          individual?<BR>
          DamiFB<BR>
          ----- Original Message -----<BR>
          From: "Paresh Motiwala"
          <jin_par@...><BR>
          To: <jainfriends@yahoogroups.com><BR>
          Cc: "Samyakgyan"
          <samyakgyan@yahoogroups.com><BR>
          Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:54 AM<BR>
          Subject: Re: [Jain Friends] What is Estreme Ahimsa?
          ALL POSITIVE<BR>
          <BR>
          <BR>
          > Dear Damian,<BR>
          > Some time back I have already expressed my
          views<BR>
          > regarding your doubt.. For your benefit I repeat
          what<BR>
          > I feel...<BR>
          ><BR>
          > I feel that joining the armed forces can only
          be<BR>
          > justified from the Jainism point of view only if
          it is<BR>
          > for self defence or for the defence of our
          culture,<BR>
          > religion and heritage and for the honest well
          being of<BR>
          > subjects...<BR>
          > Agrression and war for greed can never be
          justified..<BR>
          ><BR>
          > If for any determinate moment the war is for
          greed or<BR>
          > selfish motives it cannot be justified. And if
          such a<BR>
          > situation arises one should better leave the
          armed<BR>
          > forces.<BR>
          ><BR>
          > There is atleast one country in this world which
          has<BR>
          > showed this maturity in this respect and is the
          most<BR>
          > responsible one and that is INDIA because
          ....<BR>
          > ""India never invaded any country in
          her last 10000<BR>
          > years of history""<BR>
          ><BR>
          > Paresh<BR>
          ><BR>
          ><BR>
          ><BR>
          ><BR>
          >  --- Damian <damifb@...>
          wrote:<BR>
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          ><BR>
          ><BR>
          > <tt><BR>
          > Hi Paresh and all<BR><BR>
          > I have a question: If in a determinate moment we
          feel<BR>
          > that armed forces are<BR><BR>
          > not for self defense, we should leave
          it?<BR><BR>
          > DamiFB<BR><BR>
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        • Damian
          Being too optimist, yes, he he I mean if an individual have the right to make the decision of separate from his army him by he´s self only. DamiFB ... From:
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            Being too optimist, yes, he he
            I mean if an individual have the right to make the decision of separate from
            his army him by he´s self only.
            DamiFB
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Paresh Motiwala" <jin_par@...>
            To: <jainfriends@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:02 AM
            Subject: Re: [Jain Friends] What is Estreme Ahimsa? ALL POSITIVE


            > Dear Damian,
            > If each individual of a nation behaves in a
            > responsible way, it automatically becomes the decision
            > of the whole nation and further the whole world. Do
            > you agree?
            > Paresh
            >
            >
            > --- Damian <damifb@...> wrote:
            > <HR>
            > <html><body>
            >
            >
            > <tt>
            > Dear friend Paresh:<BR>
            > Thank you, we agree. But, can this decision be
            > individual?<BR>
            > DamiFB<BR>
            > ----- Original Message -----<BR>
            > From: "Paresh Motiwala"
            > <jin_par@...><BR>
            > To: <jainfriends@yahoogroups.com><BR>
            > Cc: "Samyakgyan"
            > <samyakgyan@yahoogroups.com><BR>
            > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:54 AM<BR>
            > Subject: Re: [Jain Friends] What is Estreme Ahimsa?
            > ALL POSITIVE<BR>
            > <BR>
            > <BR>
            > > Dear Damian,<BR>
            > > Some time back I have already expressed my
            > views<BR>
            > > regarding your doubt.. For your benefit I repeat
            > what<BR>
            > > I feel...<BR>
            > ><BR>
            > > I feel that joining the armed forces can only
            > be<BR>
            > > justified from the Jainism point of view only if
            > it is<BR>
            > > for self defence or for the defence of our
            > culture,<BR>
            > > religion and heritage and for the honest well
            > being of<BR>
            > > subjects...<BR>
            > > Agrression and war for greed can never be
            > justified..<BR>
            > ><BR>
            > > If for any determinate moment the war is for
            > greed or<BR>
            > > selfish motives it cannot be justified. And if
            > such a<BR>
            > > situation arises one should better leave the
            > armed<BR>
            > > forces.<BR>
            > ><BR>
            > > There is atleast one country in this world which
            > has<BR>
            > > showed this maturity in this respect and is the
            > most<BR>
            > > responsible one and that is INDIA because
            > ....<BR>
            > > ""India never invaded any country in
            > her last 10000<BR>
            > > years of history""<BR>
            > ><BR>
            > > Paresh<BR>
            > ><BR>
            > ><BR>
            > ><BR>
            > ><BR>
            > >  --- Damian <damifb@...>
            > wrote:<BR>
            > > <HR><BR>
            > > <html><body><BR>
            > ><BR>
            > ><BR>
            > > <tt><BR>
            > > Hi Paresh and all<BR><BR>
            > > I have a question: If in a determinate moment we
            > feel<BR>
            > > that armed forces are<BR><BR>
            > > not for self defense, we should leave
            > it?<BR><BR>
            > > DamiFB<BR><BR>
            > > <BR><BR>
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