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  • Scott Trimble
    I don t think there is any disrespect in wearing or washing these things. The disrespect is in commercializing it. I would rather see some Jain who can afford
    Message 1 of 9 , Aug 31, 2007
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      I don't think there is any disrespect in wearing
      or washing these things. The disrespect is in
      commercializing it. I would rather see some Jain
      who can afford to do so, negotiate to buy all of
      their stock and the rights to them, and then give
      them away. I think it is a sign of respect and
      admiration for words and ideas to wear them for
      display. I certainly wouldn't wear words or ideas
      that I didn't respect.

      --- atul bafna <abafna@...> wrote:

      > Karma Brand is selling T Shirts with Jain
      > Sutras printed on it.
      > The latest is Navkar Mantra inscribed in shape
      > of a a Tirthankara.
      >
      > While it is a commercial plank for them, this
      > creates a lot of
      > Ashatnaa. Write from wearing them over one's
      > self, to putting such T
      > shirts for washing etc, it is great disrespect
      > to the holiness of
      > knowledge contained.
      >
      > While we had warned some of their dealers
      > around 3 months earlier,
      > when we sited their brand with Bhaktamar gathas
      > on it, they seemed
      > to have temporary stopped marketing the same.
      > However it seems they
      > are remarketing the T Shirts.
      >
      > Request you all to boycott the entire range of
      > Karma Brand as a
      > consumer or as a trader of readymades. A united
      > message from our
      > community needs to go to the manufacturers and
      > other dealers.
      >
      > While I have no hatred for them, I think this
      > could stop dilution
      > and commercialisation of the most sacred part
      > of us.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Live and Let Live
      >
      >
      >
      >
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    • Jain, Ankit
      I agree Even, There is nothing wrong if someone reads these words, which otherwise will just remain in the books. So let them do good work for us. There is
      Message 2 of 9 , Sep 11, 2007
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        I agree Even, There is nothing wrong if someone reads these words, which otherwise will just remain in the books. So let them do good work for us.
         
        There is nothing such as disrespect to it. I have seen several clothes with god pictures and OM written in it.
         
        So come up with your thoughts. This is new age.
         


        Scott Trimble <agasga@...> wrote:
        I don't think there is any disrespect in wearing
        or washing these things. The disrespect is in
        commercializing it. I would rather see some Jain
        who can afford to do so, negotiate to buy all of
        their stock and the rights to them, and then give
        them away. I think it is a sign of respect and
        admiration for words and ideas to wear them for
        display. I certainly wouldn't wear words or ideas
        that I didn't respect.

        --- atul bafna <abafna@yahoo. com> wrote:

        > Karma Brand is selling T Shirts with Jain
        > Sutras printed on it.
        > The latest is Navkar Mantra inscribed in shape
        > of a a Tirthankara.
        >
        > While it is a commercial plank for them, this
        > creates a lot of
        > Ashatnaa. Write from wearing them over one's
        > self, to putting such T
        > shirts for washing etc, it is great disrespect
        > to the holiness of
        > knowledge contained.
        >
        > While we had warned some of their dealers
        > around 3 months earlier,
        > when we sited their brand with Bhaktamar gathas
        > on it, they seemed
        > to have temporary stopped marketing the same.
        > However it seems they
        > are remarketing the T Shirts.
        >
        > Request you all to boycott the entire range of
        > Karma Brand as a
        > consumer or as a trader of readymades. A united
        > message from our
        > community needs to go to the manufacturers and
        > other dealers.
        >
        > While I have no hatred for them, I think this
        > could stop dilution
        > and commercialisation of the most sacred part
        > of us.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Live and Let Live
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ------------ --------- --------- ---
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        > Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos &
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      • Walchale Vinod
        Dear All, Sorry Ankit I totally disagrre with your thoughts and I respect Atul s statement, few things wont affect on our daily life, but it would good if we
        Message 3 of 9 , Sep 12, 2007
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          Dear All,

          Sorry Ankit I totally disagrre with your thoughts and
          I respect Atul's statement,

          few things wont affect on our daily life, but it would
          good if we respect them, there is no hard and fast
          rule that we should not print,
          My question for you is, are we really going to worship
          that T-shirt, since the sutras is having special place
          in our jainism.

          This is not right way to showcase our janism and its
          totally unacceptable.

          Brotherly
          Vinod Jain



          --- "Jain, Ankit" <ankitjain_7@...> wrote:

          > I agree Even, There is nothing wrong if someone
          > reads these words, which otherwise will just remain
          > in the books. So let them do good work for us.
          >
          > There is nothing such as disrespect to it. I have
          > seen several clothes with god pictures and OM
          > written in it.
          >
          > So come up with your thoughts. This is new age.
          >
          >
          >
          > Scott Trimble <agasga@...> wrote:
          > I don't think there is any disrespect in
          > wearing
          > or washing these things. The disrespect is in
          > commercializing it. I would rather see some Jain
          > who can afford to do so, negotiate to buy all of
          > their stock and the rights to them, and then give
          > them away. I think it is a sign of respect and
          > admiration for words and ideas to wear them for
          > display. I certainly wouldn't wear words or ideas
          > that I didn't respect.
          >
          > --- atul bafna <abafna@...> wrote:
          >
          > > Karma Brand is selling T Shirts with Jain
          > > Sutras printed on it.
          > > The latest is Navkar Mantra inscribed in shape
          > > of a a Tirthankara.
          > >
          > > While it is a commercial plank for them, this
          > > creates a lot of
          > > Ashatnaa. Write from wearing them over one's
          > > self, to putting such T
          > > shirts for washing etc, it is great disrespect
          > > to the holiness of
          > > knowledge contained.
          > >
          > > While we had warned some of their dealers
          > > around 3 months earlier,
          > > when we sited their brand with Bhaktamar gathas
          > > on it, they seemed
          > > to have temporary stopped marketing the same.
          > > However it seems they
          > > are remarketing the T Shirts.
          > >
          > > Request you all to boycott the entire range of
          > > Karma Brand as a
          > > consumer or as a trader of readymades. A united
          > > message from our
          > > community needs to go to the manufacturers and
          > > other dealers.
          > >
          > > While I have no hatred for them, I think this
          > > could stop dilution
          > > and commercialisation of the most sacred part
          > > of us.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Live and Let Live
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > ---------------------------------
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          > > Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos &
          > > more.
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        • Mehta Manoj
          i too feel its wrong to print such things n t shirts and do ashatna. there arel so manyother wasy to spread the religon. Jain, Ankit
          Message 4 of 9 , Sep 13, 2007
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            i too feel its wrong to print such things n t shirts and do ashatna.
            there arel so manyother wasy to spread the religon.

            "Jain, Ankit" <ankitjain_7@...> wrote:
            I agree Even, There is nothing wrong if someone reads these words, which otherwise will just remain in the books. So let them do good work for us.
             
            There is nothing such as disrespect to it. I have seen several clothes with god pictures and OM written in it.
             
            So come up with your thoughts. This is new age.
             


            Scott Trimble <agasga@yahoo. com> wrote:
            I don't think there is any disrespect in wearing
            or washing these things. The disrespect is in
            commercializing it. I would rather see some Jain
            who can afford to do so, negotiate to buy all of
            their stock and the rights to them, and then give
            them away. I think it is a sign of respect and
            admiration for words and ideas to wear them for
            display. I certainly wouldn't wear words or ideas
            that I didn't respect.

            --- atul bafna <abafna@yahoo. com> wrote:

            > Karma Brand is selling T Shirts with Jain
            > Sutras printed on it.
            > The latest is Navkar Mantra inscribed in shape
            > of a a Tirthankara.
            >
            > While it is a commercial plank for them, this
            > creates a lot of
            > Ashatnaa. Write from wearing them over one's
            > self, to putting such T
            > shirts for washing etc, it is great disrespect
            > to the holiness of
            > knowledge contained.
            >
            > While we had warned some of their dealers
            > around 3 months earlier,
            > when we sited their brand with Bhaktamar gathas
            > on it, they seemed
            > to have temporary stopped marketing the same.
            > However it seems they
            > are remarketing the T Shirts.
            >
            > Request you all to boycott the entire range of
            > Karma Brand as a
            > consumer or as a trader of readymades. A united
            > message from our
            > community needs to go to the manufacturers and
            > other dealers.
            >
            > While I have no hatred for them, I think this
            > could stop dilution
            > and commercialisation of the most sacred part
            > of us.
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Live and Let Live
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > ------------ --------- --------- ---
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            > Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos &
            > more.

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          • lalit lodha
            please for jinshashan,do no support such kind of commercials .in my views this is not the proper way of spreading religion.this way PAVITRATA of our religon
            Message 5 of 9 , Sep 14, 2007
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              please for jinshashan,do no support such kind of commercials .in my views this is not the proper way of spreading religion.this way PAVITRATA of our religon could not be maintained.there are somany ways to expand the truths of our religon &lord MAHAVIR AND ALSO OTHER TIRTHANKARAS.
              MICHHAMIDUKKADAM TO ALL FRIENDS.

              ----- Original Message ----
              From: Mehta Manoj <mpmehta_2000@...>
              To: jainfriends@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Thursday, 13 September, 2007 5:06:12 PM
              Subject: Re: <Jain Friends*> T Shirts printed with Jain Sutras

              i too feel its wrong to print such things n t shirts and do ashatna.
              there arel so manyother wasy to spread the religon.

              "Jain, Ankit" <ankitjain_7@ yahoo.com> wrote:
              I agree Even, There is nothing wrong if someone reads these words, which otherwise will just remain in the books. So let them do good work for us.
               
              There is nothing such as disrespect to it. I have seen several clothes with god pictures and OM written in it.
               
              So come up with your thoughts. This is new age.
               


              Scott Trimble <agasga@yahoo. com> wrote:
              I don't think there is any disrespect in wearing
              or washing these things. The disrespect is in
              commercializing it. I would rather see some Jain
              who can afford to do so, negotiate to buy all of
              their stock and the rights to them, and then give
              them away. I think it is a sign of respect and
              admiration for words and ideas to wear them for
              display. I certainly wouldn't wear words or ideas
              that I didn't respect.

              --- atul bafna <abafna@yahoo. com> wrote:

              > Karma Brand is selling T Shirts with Jain
              > Sutras printed on it.
              > The latest is Navkar Mantra inscribed in shape
              > of a a Tirthankara.
              >
              > While it is a commercial plank for them, this
              > creates a lot of
              > Ashatnaa. Write from wearing them over one's
              > self, to putting such T
              > shirts for washing etc, it is great disrespect
              > to the holiness of
              > knowledge contained.
              >
              > While we had warned some of their dealers
              > around 3 months earlier,
              > when we sited their brand with Bhaktamar gathas
              > on it, they seemed
              > to have temporary stopped marketing the same.
              > However it seems they
              > are remarketing the T Shirts.
              >
              > Request you all to boycott the entire range of
              > Karma Brand as a
              > consumer or as a trader of readymades. A united
              > message from our
              > community needs to go to the manufacturers and
              > other dealers.
              >
              > While I have no hatred for them, I think this
              > could stop dilution
              > and commercialisation of the most sacred part
              > of us.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Live and Let Live
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > ------------ --------- --------- ---
              > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the
              > Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos &
              > more.

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            • Vishal Shah
              I agree, we shoul not print on T-shirts. I will give one example. I don t remember the name of that Chakravarti. Either Subhom Chakravarti OR Brahmadatt
              Message 6 of 9 , Sep 14, 2007
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                I agree, we shoul not print on T-shirts.

                I will give one example. I don't remember the name of
                that Chakravarti. Either Subhom Chakravarti OR
                Brahmadatt Chakravarti. After achieving 6
                continents(not curent 6. Current 6 continents makes 1.
                i.e. Bharat Khand), he thought, "other Chakravartis
                also did same. So, let me do something more special.
                and win more continents". For that he had go overseas
                and longer time sea travel.

                So, he decided to write 'Namokar Mantra' on Charma
                Ratna. and he was sure, "I will not be sinked. I will
                put my forces on that Ratna, and proceed to other
                continents". Supporting Devs(total 1000) of that ratna
                thought, "such activity will takes lot of years, let
                me say bye to my wife". So, one by one, they went to
                say bye. As soon as last Dev left, Charma Ratna and
                all forces on it got sinked. Chakravarti died, and
                went to 7th Hell.

                Well, we should not put such slogans on our stinking
                sweating T-shirts. If you really want to publish
                message, Paint your house wall inside and outside with
                such slogans. So, lot of people can read it.

                One guy wrote about NEW AGE, and new idea. Stop
                bullshit. The path(rules/regulations/quality control)
                is same in 3 ages (Past, Current, Future). Sadhu of
                4th Kaal and 5th kaal has to follow same rules. By
                giving 5th kaal excuse, if some sadhus screw up the
                path, they will go to hell.

                Good Luck.

                Vishal.

                --- Mehta Manoj <mpmehta_2000@...> wrote:

                > i too feel its wrong to print such things n t shirts
                > and do ashatna.
                > there arel so manyother wasy to spread the
                > religon.
                >
                > "Jain, Ankit" <ankitjain_7@...> wrote:
                > I agree Even, There is nothing wrong if
                > someone reads these words, which otherwise will just
                > remain in the books. So let them do good work for
                > us.
                >
                > There is nothing such as disrespect to it. I have
                > seen several clothes with god pictures and OM
                > written in it.
                >
                > So come up with your thoughts. This is new age.
                >
                >
                >
                > Scott Trimble <agasga@...> wrote:
                > I don't think there is any disrespect in
                > wearing
                > or washing these things. The disrespect is in
                > commercializing it. I would rather see some Jain
                > who can afford to do so, negotiate to buy all of
                > their stock and the rights to them, and then give
                > them away. I think it is a sign of respect and
                > admiration for words and ideas to wear them for
                > display. I certainly wouldn't wear words or ideas
                > that I didn't respect.
                >
                > --- atul bafna <abafna@...> wrote:
                >
                > > Karma Brand is selling T Shirts with Jain
                > > Sutras printed on it.
                > > The latest is Navkar Mantra inscribed in shape
                > > of a a Tirthankara.
                > >
                > > While it is a commercial plank for them, this
                > > creates a lot of
                > > Ashatnaa. Write from wearing them over one's
                > > self, to putting such T
                > > shirts for washing etc, it is great disrespect
                > > to the holiness of
                > > knowledge contained.
                > >
                > > While we had warned some of their dealers
                > > around 3 months earlier,
                > > when we sited their brand with Bhaktamar gathas
                > > on it, they seemed
                > > to have temporary stopped marketing the same.
                > > However it seems they
                > > are remarketing the T Shirts.
                > >
                > > Request you all to boycott the entire range of
                > > Karma Brand as a
                > > consumer or as a trader of readymades. A united
                > > message from our
                > > community needs to go to the manufacturers and
                > > other dealers.
                > >
                > > While I have no hatred for them, I think this
                > > could stop dilution
                > > and commercialisation of the most sacred part
                > > of us.
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Live and Let Live
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ---------------------------------
                > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the
                > > Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos &
                > > more.
                >
                >
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              • Scott Trimble
                Hell? There is no hell. Do Jains really believe in hell? If hell is an essential part of Jainism, then maybe I am not Jain. Vishal Shah
                Message 7 of 9 , Sep 14, 2007
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                  Hell?  There is no hell. Do Jains really believe in hell?  If hell is an essential part of Jainism, then maybe I am not Jain. 

                  Vishal Shah <vs_shah@...> wrote:
                  ... By giving 5th kaal excuse, if some sadhus screw up the
                  path, they will go to hell.

                  Good Luck.

                  Vishal.


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                • sachin patil
                  please we all have to think other ways to spreaad our Jain philosophy among the other religions people. why beceause, we cant guarrentied that every one who
                  Message 8 of 9 , Sep 16, 2007
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                    please we all have to think other ways to spreaad our Jain philosophy among the other religions people.
                    why beceause, we cant guarrentied that every one who are going to wear such type of T shirt will keep respectness of such T shiurts, mean what if u wear such type T shirt and if u lie and did some bad or say crime type of work then importence of such T shirt is useless for him/her.
                    so plz think for other ways.
                    we dont want to bring our Namokar Mahamantra for commerciel perpose.
                    Just think about our Teerthankars, they have not media, technology, Printed T shirts in thier an encient time but even thay were successed to bring this Mahamantra towards u without keeping any professionalanism, if they have such power with out using any tecnology then why not u have?
                    U can also get success to spread our ethics, philosophy by media,newspapers,magazines,websites.
                    but T shirt is not good medium.

                    lalit lodha <glalit_vinu@...> wrote:
                    please for jinshashan,do no support such kind of commercials .in my views this is not the proper way of spreading religion.this way PAVITRATA of our religon could not be maintained.there are somany ways to expand the truths of our religon &lord MAHAVIR AND ALSO OTHER TIRTHANKARAS.
                    MICHHAMIDUKKADAM TO ALL FRIENDS.

                    ----- Original Message ----
                    From: Mehta Manoj <mpmehta_2000@ yahoo.com>
                    To: jainfriends@ yahoogroups. com
                    Sent: Thursday, 13 September, 2007 5:06:12 PM
                    Subject: Re: <Jain Friends*> T Shirts printed with Jain Sutras

                    i too feel its wrong to print such things n t shirts and do ashatna.
                    there arel so manyother wasy to spread the religon.

                    "Jain, Ankit" <ankitjain_7@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                    I agree Even, There is nothing wrong if someone reads these words, which otherwise will just remain in the books. So let them do good work for us.
                     
                    There is nothing such as disrespect to it. I have seen several clothes with god pictures and OM written in it.
                     
                    So come up with your thoughts. This is new age.
                     


                    Scott Trimble <agasga@yahoo. com> wrote:
                    I don't think there is any disrespect in wearing
                    or washing these things. The disrespect is in
                    commercializing it. I would rather see some Jain
                    who can afford to do so, negotiate to buy all of
                    their stock and the rights to them, and then give
                    them away. I think it is a sign of respect and
                    admiration for words and ideas to wear them for
                    display. I certainly wouldn't wear words or ideas
                    that I didn't respect.

                    --- atul bafna <abafna@yahoo. com> wrote:

                    > Karma Brand is selling T Shirts with Jain
                    > Sutras printed on it.
                    > The latest is Navkar Mantra inscribed in shape
                    > of a a Tirthankara.
                    >
                    > While it is a commercial plank for them, this
                    > creates a lot of
                    > Ashatnaa. Write from wearing them over one's
                    > self, to putting such T
                    > shirts for washing etc, it is great disrespect
                    > to the holiness of
                    > knowledge contained.
                    >
                    > While we had warned some of their dealers
                    > around 3 months earlier,
                    > when we sited their brand with Bhaktamar gathas
                    > on it, they seemed
                    > to have temporary stopped marketing the same.
                    > However it seems they
                    > are remarketing the T Shirts.
                    >
                    > Request you all to boycott the entire range of
                    > Karma Brand as a
                    > consumer or as a trader of readymades. A united
                    > message from our
                    > community needs to go to the manufacturers and
                    > other dealers.
                    >
                    > While I have no hatred for them, I think this
                    > could stop dilution
                    > and commercialisation of the most sacred part
                    > of us.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Live and Let Live
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                    > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the
                    > Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos &
                    > more.

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