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  • ankahi shah
    Jai Jinendra, The difference between the statue of Jin (tirthankar) and that of buddha are as follows: 1. You can recognise the statue of Jin n that of buddha
    Message 1 of 13 , Mar 1, 2006
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      Jai Jinendra,
                        The difference between the statue of Jin (tirthankar) and that of buddha are as follows:
      1. You can recognise the statue of Jin n that of buddha by the way the hair have been carved.eg. hairs of buddha are shown by separate bunches of hairs curled around and a bun on head.Hairs of Jin are only on forehead of statue and a bun in between. Only exception is that of 1st tirthankar's hairs. the hairs of statue of rushabdev  fall till his shoulders.
      2. Statue of Jin is always in Dyanasth Mudra(The way of their sitting in Padmasan n Hands on top of one other in his Lap.) or Khadgasan (Dyanasth mudra in Standing Position) and that of Buddha is in Dharmachakra Pravartan Mudra or Bhumi Sparsh Mudra.
      3. If the statue is that of Boddhisattva ( Boddhisattva is a similar phase of Buddha's life like that of An Arihant) then it is shown with jewellery and also 2 vidyadhar ( the person with special powers) on each side.
       
      I Hope i answered you.But still  true is Vitrag and rest is mine.
       
      Jai Jinendra.
      Regards,
      Vibha.

      sheru bhai <shreyans852000@...> wrote:
      jai jinendra
      can any one please specify the difference between
      statue of our tirthankar n lord buddha.
       


       


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    • Ajay Jain
      Difference between the statue of Jain Tirathankaras and Lord Buddha s is a sign available in the statue base. Jain Tirathankar Shri Rishabh Dev has a sign as
      Message 2 of 13 , Mar 1, 2006
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        Difference between the statue of Jain Tirathankaras and Lord Buddha's is a sign available in the statue base.
         
        Jain Tirathankar Shri Rishabh Dev has a sign as an Ox and Jain Tirathankara Shri Mahaveer Swami has a sign as a lion but in the statue of  Lord Buddha has no any sign .
         
        Thjanx
         
        ajay


         
        On 2/27/06, sheru bhai <shreyans852000@...> wrote:
        jai jinendra
        can any one please specify the difference between
        statue of our tirthankar n lord buddha.
         


         


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      • sanjeev nayyar
        Thanks a good comparison, wonder on what basis Buddha ki murthi was made because his followers created his idol about 500-600 years after his death, also am
        Message 3 of 13 , Mar 1, 2006
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          Thanks a good comparison, wonder on what basis Buddha ki murthi was made because his followers created his idol about 500-600 years after his death, also am told that his idol is different in different parts of the world meaning he looks different in india, thailand elsewhere, also within india he looks a bit diff in spiti valley of himachal and patna.
           
          pl enlighten ki idol of JIN started from what period.
           
          thks with prem sanjeev
           
          Jai Jinendra,
                            The difference between the statue of Jin (tirthankar) and that of buddha are as follows:
          1. You can recognise the statue of Jin n that of buddha by the way the hair have been carved.eg. hairs of buddha are shown by separate bunches of hairs curled around and a bun on head.Hairs of Jin are only on forehead of statue and a bun in between. Only exception is that of 1st tirthankar's hairs. the hairs of statue of rushabdev  fall till his shoulders.
          2. Statue of Jin is always in Dyanasth Mudra(The way of their sitting in Padmasan n Hands on top of one other in his Lap.) or Khadgasan (Dyanasth mudra in Standing Position) and that of Buddha is in Dharmachakra Pravartan Mudra or Bhumi Sparsh Mudra.
          3. If the statue is that of Boddhisattva ( Boddhisattva is a similar phase of Buddha's life like that of An Arihant) then it is shown with jewellery and also 2 vidyadhar ( the person with special powers) on each side.
           
          I Hope i answered you.But still  true is Vitrag and rest is mine.
           
          Jai Jinendra.
          Regards,
          Vibha.

          sheru bhai <shreyans852000@...> wrote:
          jai jinendra
          can any one please specify the difference between
          statue of our tirthankar n lord buddha.
           


           


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        • sheru bhai
          jai jinendra i think u mean lanchan which everey of our tirthankar do have as a unique symbol but theer r some statues witout lanchan then how to identify
          Message 4 of 13 , Mar 2, 2006
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            jai jinendra
            i think u mean lanchan  which everey of our tirthankar do have as a unique symbol
            but theer r some statues witout lanchan
            then how to identify
            thank u

             
            shreyans


            ----- Original Message ----
            From: Ajay Jain <vardhmanajay@...>
            To: jainlist@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2006 11:39:12 AM
            Subject: Re: [JainList] difference betn tirthankar n buddha

            Difference between the statue of Jain Tirathankaras and Lord Buddha's is a sign available in the statue base.
             
            Jain Tirathankar Shri Rishabh Dev has a sign as an Ox and Jain Tirathankara Shri Mahaveer Swami has a sign as a lion but in the statue of  Lord Buddha has no any sign .
             
            Thjanx
             
            ajay


             
            On 2/27/06, sheru bhai <shreyans852000@...> wrote:
            jai jinendra
            can any one please specify the difference between
            statue of our tirthankar n lord buddha.
             


             


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          • Banukumar Rajendran
            Dears, Jai Jinendra! Here are my views on differences between Jaina and Buddha Idols. Though i m not an expert, i shall quote the following differences from
            Message 5 of 13 , Mar 2, 2006
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              Dears,

              Jai Jinendra!

              Here are my views on differences between Jaina and Buddha Idols. Though i'm not an expert, i shall quote the following differences from the Tamil literatures.


              Differences:

              1. Jaina Thirthankaras will be shown in nude form whether it is a Artha-paryakasana or Kayotsarga pose. Whereas the Buddha statues has a robe around his chest. Usually the robe is seen from the left shoulder, covering one side of the chest nipple.

              2. Jaina Thirthankara idols are shown seated in Rectangle "Simhasana" while the pose in "Artha-Paryakasana" and "Padmasana" in "Kayotsarga" pose. Whereas the Buddha is shown seated in Round "Padmasana" in both the pose that is, in sitting and in standing.

              3. A semi-round shaped with slight curve at the end of "Prabhamandala" are shown around the head of any Thirthankara. Whereas in Buddha a Full circle with Flame are shown around his head.

              4. The triple Umbrellas (Mukkudai - in tamil) will be shown above the head of any Thirthankara statues. Whereas in Buddha, only one umbrella like structure, shaped in triangle is shown

              5. All Standing Thirthankara statues will be shown in perfect "Kayotsarga" pose  that is stand still. Where as in Buddha statues, one hand will be shown "Abaya- Mutra".

              6. Floral decoration called "Pushpavrusti" will be shown on the upper portion of the head of the Thirthankara statues. Whereas in Buddha there will not be any Floral decoration.

              7. "Samara Bearers" or "Samara- Dharis" will be  shown on the two sides of the Thirthankara statues. Whereas in Buddha, the flying Vidhyathars with pot like structure are shown.

              Similarities:

              1. The "Uninsha" will be shown in the centre of the head of Buddha. It will also be shown in Thirthankara statues as far as Tamilnadu Jaina Iconography is concerned.

              2. "Dakshinavarta" the dextral curls are shown both in Buddha and Thirthankara statues as this "Dakshinavarta" curls constitutes a "Mahapurusha-Lakshana".

              Hope this helps!


              "Adibhagwan MuthaRa ulagu"


              R.Banukumar
              Chennai.

              P.S: Pl correct me if i'm wrong in any of the above. I'll welcome the suggestion and correct myself.

























              On 3/2/06, sheru bhai <shreyans852000@...> wrote:
              jai jinendra
              i think u mean lanchan  which everey of our tirthankar do have as a unique symbol
              but theer r some statues witout lanchan
              then how to identify
              thank u

               
              shreyans


              ----- Original Message ----
              From: Ajay Jain <vardhmanajay@...>
              To: jainlist@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2006 11:39:12 AM
              Subject: Re: [JainList] difference betn tirthankar n buddha

              Difference between the statue of Jain Tirathankaras and Lord Buddha's is a sign available in the statue base.
               
              Jain Tirathankar Shri Rishabh Dev has a sign as an Ox and Jain Tirathankara Shri Mahaveer Swami has a sign as a lion but in the statue of  Lord Buddha has no any sign .
               
              Thjanx
               
              ajay


               
              On 2/27/06, sheru bhai <shreyans852000@... > wrote:
              jai jinendra
              can any one please specify the difference between
              statue of our tirthankar n lord buddha.
               


               


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            • Banukumar Rajendran
              Dears, 1. Idol worship is the Greatest Contribution of Sramana Dharma . According to Satyartha Prakasha by Swami. Dhayanadha Saraswati (18th Century), the
              Message 6 of 13 , Mar 2, 2006
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                Dears,


                1. Idol worship is the Greatest Contribution of "Sramana Dharma". According to "Satyartha Prakasha" by Swami. Dhayanadha Saraswati (18th Century), the Idol worship was initiated and introduced by the Jinas and Buddhas.

                Both Jina dharma & Buddha dharma are called "Sramana Dharmas". Hence both has some common practices, customs and rituals. Jina dharma is the oldest of  "Sramana Dharma". The 23 Thirthankaras in "Jina dharma" is accepted by the Buddist. However, the most famous 24th Thirthankara "Mahaveerasamy" is not accepted by the Buddhists. Till that time there were no differences between the Buddhist and Jainas.

                During the time of Mahavira,  being lived under the guidances of Jinas,
                Buddha started to preach his own path.  After the death of Buddha, the follower of Buddhas started to worship the Foot prints of Buddha. This is also a common pratice among the Jainas.  But with the influence of Jainas Idol worship, the Buddhist also started the Idol worship for the "Bodhisatva". If i'm right, the "Bodhisatva" is not "The Buddha". He's a First "Ganadhar" of Lord.Buddha. Later, they  replace Bodhisatva with Buddha. Hence, the Iconography of  both of them are almost alike.

                2. According to creativity of the Sculptors, the stylish of Statues varies from place to place. Mainly the Facial differences will be there, but there will not be any "Contradication of Thatvas". :-) :-)

                3. The idols that were discovered during the evacation of Mahenjadaro speaks of Jin Bimb. Though, it clearly depicts the Idol of Jina (Rishabadev), there was some difference among the scholars. However, the earliest known idols of Jinas were found at Madura. They said to be around 3rd Cent B.C.,.



                Regards,


                R.Banukumar,
                Chennai


                On 3/2/06, sanjeev nayyar <exploreindia@... > wrote:
                Thanks a good comparison, wonder on what basis Buddha ki murthi was made because his followers created his idol about 500-600 years after his death, also am told that his idol is different in different parts of the world meaning he looks different in india, thailand elsewhere, also within india he looks a bit diff in spiti valley of himachal and patna.
                 
                pl enlighten ki idol of JIN started from what period.
                 
                thks with prem sanjeev
                 
                Jai Jinendra,
                                  The difference between the statue of Jin (tirthankar) and that of buddha are as follows:
                1. You can recognise the statue of Jin n that of buddha by the way the hair have been carved.eg. hairs of buddha are shown by separate bunches of hairs curled around and a bun on head.Hairs of Jin are only on forehead of statue and a bun in between. Only exception is that of 1st tirthankar's hairs. the hairs of statue of rushabdev  fall till his shoulders.
                2. Statue of Jin is always in Dyanasth Mudra(The way of their sitting in Padmasan n Hands on top of one other in his Lap.) or Khadgasan (Dyanasth mudra in Standing Position) and that of Buddha is in Dharmachakra Pravartan Mudra or Bhumi Sparsh Mudra.
                3. If the statue is that of Boddhisattva ( Boddhisattva is a similar phase of Buddha's life like that of An Arihant) then it is shown with jewellery and also 2 vidyadhar ( the person with special powers) on each side.
                 
                I Hope i answered you.But still  true is Vitrag and rest is mine.
                 
                Jai Jinendra.
                Regards,
                Vibha.

                sheru bhai <shreyans852000@...> wrote:
                jai jinendra
                can any one please specify the difference between
                statue of our tirthankar n lord buddha.
                 


                 


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              • ankahi shah
                Sir, The views given by you would really help us. The points noted by you are may be new to few of us because we never would have studied so much from Tamil
                Message 7 of 13 , Mar 3, 2006
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                  Sir,
                  The views given by you would really help us. The points noted by you are may be new to few of us because we never would have studied so much from Tamil literature mostly because of no knowledge about Tamil Language.
                  Anyways the points are really worth and i would ask my Jain Art Specialist Teacher to throw more light on this points.
                  And i would like to add one more point to this that, Tirthankars have three lines on their neck line (which is a symbol of Lakshnik Purush).

                  Regards,
                  Vibha.
                  Banukumar Rajendran <banukumar.r@...> wrote:
                  Dears,

                  Jai Jinendra!

                  Here are my views on differences between Jaina and Buddha Idols. Though i'm not an expert, i shall quote the following differences from the Tamil literatures.


                  Differences:

                  1. Jaina Thirthankaras will be shown in nude form whether it is a Artha-paryakasana or Kayotsarga pose. Whereas the Buddha statues has a robe around his chest. Usually the robe is seen from the left shoulder, covering one side of the chest nipple.

                  2. Jaina Thirthankara idols are shown seated in Rectangle "Simhasana" while the pose in "Artha-Paryakasana" and "Padmasana" in "Kayotsarga" pose. Whereas the Buddha is shown seated in Round "Padmasana" in both the pose that is, in sitting and in standing.

                  3. A semi-round shaped with slight curve at the end of "Prabhamandala" are shown around the head of any Thirthankara. Whereas in Buddha a Full circle with Flame are shown around his head.

                  4. The triple Umbrellas (Mukkudai - in tamil) will be shown above the head of any Thirthankara statues. Whereas in Buddha, only one umbrella like structure, shaped in triangle is shown

                  5. All Standing Thirthankara statues will be shown in perfect "Kayotsarga" pose that is stand still. Where as in Buddha statues, one hand will be shown "Abaya- Mutra".

                  6. Floral decoration called "Pushpavrusti" will be shown on the upper portion of the head of the Thirthankara statues. Whereas in Buddha there will not be any Floral decoration.

                  7. "Samara Bearers" or "Samara- Dharis" will be shown on the two sides of the Thirthankara statues. Whereas in Buddha, the flying Vidhyathars with pot like structure are shown.

                  Similarities:

                  1. The "Uninsha" will be shown in the centre of the head of Buddha. It will also be shown in Thirthankara statues as far as Tamilnadu Jaina Iconography is concerned.

                  2. "Dakshinavarta" the dextral curls are shown both in Buddha and Thirthankara statues as this "Dakshinavarta" curls constitutes a "Mahapurusha-Lakshana".

                  Hope this helps!


                  "Adibhagwan MuthaRa ulagu"


                  R.Banukumar
                  Chennai.

                  P.S: Pl correct me if i'm wrong in any of the above. I'll welcome the suggestion and correct myself.
                • Anish Shah
                  Jai Jinendra, Dear Mr. Banukumar, No doubt, Idol worship is important to those who regularly do it and derive satisfaction from it. However, your statement
                  Message 8 of 13 , Mar 4, 2006
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                    Jai Jinendra,

                    Dear Mr. Banukumar,

                    No doubt, Idol worship is important to those who regularly do it and derive satisfaction from it. However, your statement that - "Idol worship is the Greatest Contribution of "Sramana Dharma" - is a sweeping statement and belittles the actual contribution of Sraman Sharma. In fact some of the sects of Jainism, do not even believe in Idol worship.
                    In my opinion, the principles of Ahimsa, Anekantvaad, Theory of Karma, Concept of soul and reality are the greatest contribution of our religion to this world.

                    Regards,

                    Anish Shah
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: Banukumar Rajendran
                    To: jainlist@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 1:08 PM
                    Subject: Re: [JainList] difference betn tirthankar n buddha



                    Dears,


                    1. Idol worship is the Greatest Contribution of "Sramana Dharma". According to "Satyartha Prakasha" by Swami. Dhayanadha Saraswati (18th Century), the Idol worship was initiated and introduced by the Jinas and Buddhas.
                  • Sreepalan VC
                    Samyak Darshan Dear Shri Banukumar Rajendran, , Let soul secure Samyakthva. Knock thou, thou shall be heard, ask thou, thou shall be given. Sub: Re: [JainList]
                    Message 9 of 13 , Mar 5, 2006
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                      Samyak Darshan

                      Dear Shri Banukumar Rajendran,
                      ,

                      Let soul secure Samyakthva.
                      Knock thou, thou shall be heard, ask thou, thou shall
                      be given.

                      Sub: Re: [JainList] difference betn tirthankar n
                      buddha
                      Ref: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:08:17 +0530.

                      Serious and sincere an attempt indeed, it is, in
                      culling out and placing them on board the discussion
                      table.The following may, it is felt, add to the
                      submission and hence please find hereunder:

                      Quote:
                      According to "Satyartha Prakasha" by Swami. Dhayanadha
                      Saraswati (18th Century), the Idol worship was
                      initiated and introduced by the Jinas and Buddhas.

                      Analysis:
                      The statement carrying the information as to the date
                      of idol worship is incorrect as Shri Padmapuraan
                      states that Shri Ram has constructed a Jinalaya for
                      Baghavan Shri Muniswrathanaath in the sea coast of
                      Rameshwaram and paid his obeisance when he was pursing
                      his search for Sow.Seetha Devi. (See Jaina Ramayan by
                      Pujya Shree Gajapathi Saagarji)

                      Quote:
                      But with the influence of Jainas Idol worship, the
                      Buddhist also started the Idol worship for the
                      "Bodhisatva"

                      Analysis:
                      Well, this statement in a way dispels the
                      incorrectness, if what is stated is meant to be that
                      Jain Dharma followers were following and practicing
                      Idol worship earlier to Buddha Dharma followers.

                      Quote:
                      Mainly the Facial differences will be there, but there
                      will not be any "Contradication of Thatvas". :-) :-)

                      Analysis:
                      Statement that 'Contradiction is not there in Thatvas'
                      seems to pose lack of clarity and dose it mean that
                      both of them realised and preached the same truth. If
                      that is so, then it need correction.

                      Baghavan Shri Mahavir realised the conflicting twin
                      qualities (ugals) of one and many, ordinary and
                      special, unchanging and ever changing etc., the
                      indestructible fortress for the very existance and
                      function of substances and it is the unique and
                      special revelation in Jina Dharma which is not
                      expouded in Buddha Dharma which emphasizes and speaks
                      of momentoriness - everchanging quality of substances
                      leaving the permanency or unchanging quality of
                      substances.

                      Shortest is not the best but best is the shortest.
                      Choice and understanding is one’s.

                      If one is serious of one, know thyself and be thyself
                      and it is the revelation of Jinendara Baghavan.

                      Attempt is made to place the information and
                      understanding is one’s. Walking stick cannot make a
                      man walk but if man wants to walk; walking stick may
                      help the man. This attempt is only a walking stick.

                      Please forgive and forget for any unintentional
                      excesses that might have crept in and hurt and it is
                      only fraternal affinity that goaded to place.

                      Truth is Kevalin and the rest mine.

                      Wishing you and all the near and dears an early dawn
                      of Samyakthva.

                      Now for the valued participants,

                      Yours brotherly,
                      Sreepalan

                      --- Banukumar Rajendran <banukumar.r@...> wrote:

                      > Dears,
                      >
                      >
                      > 1. Idol worship is the Greatest Contribution of
                      > "Sramana Dharma". According
                      > to "Satyartha Prakasha" by Swami. Dhayanadha
                      > Saraswati (18th Century), the
                      > Idol worship was initiated and introduced by the
                      > Jinas and Buddhas.
                      >
                      > Both Jina dharma & Buddha dharma are called "Sramana
                      > Dharmas". Hence both
                      > has some common practices, customs and rituals. Jina
                      > dharma is the oldest
                      > of "Sramana Dharma". The 23 Thirthankaras in "Jina
                      > dharma" is accepted by
                      > the Buddist. However, the most famous 24th
                      > Thirthankara "Mahaveerasamy" is
                      > not accepted by the Buddhists. Till that time there
                      > were no differences
                      > between the Buddhist and Jainas.
                      >
                      > During the time of Mahavira, being lived under the
                      > guidances of Jinas,
                      > Buddha started to preach his own path. After the
                      > death of Buddha, the
                      > follower of Buddhas started to worship the Foot
                      > prints of Buddha. This is
                      > also a common pratice among the Jainas. But with
                      > the influence of Jainas
                      > Idol worship, the Buddhist also started the Idol
                      > worship for the
                      > "Bodhisatva". If i'm right, the "Bodhisatva" is not
                      > "The Buddha". He's a
                      > First "Ganadhar" of Lord.Buddha. Later, they
                      > replace Bodhisatva with
                      > Buddha. Hence, the Iconography of both of them are
                      > almost alike.
                      >
                      > 2. According to creativity of the Sculptors, the
                      > stylish of Statues varies
                      > from place to place. Mainly the Facial differences
                      > will be there, but there
                      > will not be any "Contradication of Thatvas". :-) :-)
                      >
                      > 3. The idols that were discovered during the
                      > evacation of Mahenjadaro speaks
                      > of Jin Bimb. Though, it clearly depicts the Idol of
                      > Jina (Rishabadev), there
                      > was some difference among the scholars. However, the
                      > earliest known idols of
                      > Jinas were found at Madura. They said to be around
                      > 3rd Cent B.C.,.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Regards,
                      >
                      >
                      > R.Banukumar,
                      > Chennai
                      >
                      >
                    • Sreepalan VC
                      Samyak Darshan Dear Shri Anish Shah and Shri Bankumar Rajendran Jain, Let soul secure Samyakthva. Knock thou, thou shall be heard, ask thou, thou shall be
                      Message 10 of 13 , Mar 6, 2006
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                        Samyak Darshan

                        Dear Shri Anish Shah and Shri Bankumar Rajendran Jain,


                        Let soul secure Samyakthva.
                        Knock thou, thou shall be heard, ask thou, thou shall
                        be given.

                        Sub: Re: [JainList] difference betn tirthankar n
                        buddha - Contribution by Shramana Dharma

                        Ref: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 01:16:10 +0530.

                        Nice and candid indeed is the submission commenting on
                        view of Shri Banukumar Rajendran as the sweeping
                        statement.But by and large the Vitraag Jina Dharma
                        followers do follow idol worship with the exception of
                        Sthanakwasi Samaj of Jains.

                        It may not be out of context to place on board the
                        discussion table that idol worship is assuming
                        proportions for one who is in mundane operations.
                        Visual perception of a Vitraag Jina Bimb has a telling
                        effect to divert and direct the attention of one
                        towards one's own self and could that be denied?

                        That apart, it is doubtless that if one has developed
                        a deep and fast sense of devotion to self and its
                        qualities, worshipping Jina Bimb may dispose of as
                        redundent. But that stage is only seen as possible on
                        and after Apramath Gunasthan - 7th stage.

                        Yet, it may not be out of place or proportion to say
                        that the contribution of Shraman Dharma to the
                        tradition of Idol worship is significant and singular.

                        Shortest is not the best but best is the shortest.
                        Choice and understanding is one’s.

                        If one is serious of one, know thyself and be thyself
                        and it is the revelation of Jinendara Baghavan.

                        Attempt is made to place the information and
                        understanding is one’s. Walking stick cannot make a
                        man walk but if man wants to walk; walking stick may
                        help the man. This attempt is only a walking stick.

                        Please forgive and forget for any unintentional
                        excesses that might have crept in and hurt and it is
                        only fraternal affinity that goaded to place.

                        Truth is Kevalin and the rest mine.

                        Wishing you and all the near and dears an early dawn
                        of Samyakthva.

                        Now for the valued participants,

                        Yours brotherly,
                        Sreepalan

                        --- Anish Shah <anishshah19@...> wrote:

                        > Jai Jinendra,
                        >
                        > Dear Mr. Banukumar,
                        >
                        > No doubt, Idol worship is important to those who
                        > regularly do it and derive satisfaction from it.
                        > However, your statement that - "Idol worship is the
                        > Greatest Contribution of "Sramana Dharma" - is a
                        > sweeping statement and belittles the actual
                        > contribution of Sraman Sharma. In fact some of the
                        > sects of Jainism, do not even believe in Idol
                        > worship.
                        > In my opinion, the principles of Ahimsa,
                        > Anekantvaad, Theory of Karma, Concept of soul and
                        > reality are the greatest contribution of our
                        > religion to this world.
                        >
                        > Regards,
                        >
                        > Anish Shah
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Banukumar Rajendran
                        > To: jainlist@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 1:08 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [JainList] difference betn tirthankar
                        > n buddha
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Dears,
                        >
                        >
                        > 1. Idol worship is the Greatest Contribution of
                        > "Sramana Dharma". According to "Satyartha Prakasha"
                        > by Swami. Dhayanadha Saraswati (18th Century), the
                        > Idol worship was initiated and introduced by the
                        > Jinas and Buddhas.
                        >
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