Why Not An Initiative To Defund The Courts?
- Why Not An InitiativeTo Defund The Courts?From: cruz gomez [mailto:setonrock2@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: VictoryUSA@... California Supreme Court Refuses to Delay Gay Marriage
June 8, 2008
Why not pass initiative legislation in California or any other state to stop funding expenditures for the operation of the judicial system?
Cruz Gomez, your suggested objective to suspend funding of the courts would met with three insurmountable hurdles. First, the cost of passing such an Initiative would be the same as passing the Judicial Accountability Initiative Law. Second, it is very doubtful that the People would vote to suspend funding the courts, and thirdly, the courts would certainly declare unconstitutional defunding the third branch of government, the judiciary.Considering the above facts, would it not be the better option to just go ahead and fund J.A.I.L.? Why cease funding a thirteen-year old Initiative effort for judicial Accountability to pursue a new and dubious Initiative to defund the courts which would cost just as much?-Ron
California Supreme Court refuses to delay gay marriageThe ruling, on a 4-3 vote, means same-sex couples could tie the knot later this month.SAN FRANCISCO -- Gay couples in California rushed to set wedding dates Wednesday after the California Supreme Court's unusually quick rejection of challenges to its historic decision permitting same-sex couples to wed.
By rejecting petitions asking for reconsideration of the May 15 ruling, the court, in a 4-3 vote, removed the final obstacle to same-sex marriages starting June 17.
The court also refused to delay enforcement of the decision until after the November election, when voters will decide whether to reinstate a ban on same-sex nuptials.
Hours after the court made the timing clear, a jubilant Jason Lyon scheduled his wedding in Los Angeles to his partner of eight years, Tim Hartley.
"I'm thrilled -- over the moon," said Lyon, 39, who scurried to invite friends to the couple's Silver Lake home for a caravan to the county clerk's office and a celebratory lunch on the first day gay marriage is legal.
County clerks have been warned to prepare for an onslaught of weddings. As of June 17, the words "bride" and "groom" on marriage licenses will be replaced with "Partner A" and "Partner B."
A soon-to-be-released study by the Williams Institute at UCLA's School of Law predicts that thousands of gay couples will rush to the altar before the November election.
The study projects that the numbers will swell if voters reject the anti-gay-marriage initiative, forecasting that 51,320 gay California couples and 67,513 from out of state will marry in the state during the next three years.
Extrapolating from the study, based on census data and Massachusetts' experience after it permitted same-sex matrimony, the director of the institute -- which focuses on sexual orientation law and public policy -- said more than 20,000 weddings were anticipated by November.
While some gay Californians finalized their plans for the altar Wednesday, others were unsure whether to pop the question.
Matt Dorsey, who works for the city of San Francisco, explained the likely hesitation of some gay men to tie the knot.
"We may be gay, but we're guys. We're a little commitment-phobic, " he said.
The court's decision to reject the appeals was unusually speedy. Petitions for rehearing, even those that are all but certain to be turned down, usually delay enforcement of rulings for 30 to 60 days.
Voting in favor of rehearing the case were Justices Marvin R. Baxter, Ming W. Chin and Carol A. Corrigan, who dissented in May's ruling. Chief Justice Ronald M. George and Justices Joyce L. Kennard, Kathryn Mickle Werdegar and Carlos R. Moreno voted to reject the appeals.
Opponents of same-sex marriage were quick to denounce the court's decision and warn gays that their marriages might not stand if voters amend the state constitution in November to limit marriage to opposite-sex couples.
"This is another 4-3 vote for legal chaos," said Glen Lavy, senior counsel of the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian-affiliate d group that had asked the court to put its marriage ruling on hold.
"The court has not only ignored the will of the people and imposed a redefinition of marriage on Californians, it has inflicted years of legal chaos quite possibly on the entire country," Lavy said.
Attorneys general from 10 states also had asked the court to delay finalizing the ruling until after the November election, saying they anticipate a lot of litigation from couples who wed in California and want their home states to recognize the marriages.
If the November initiative to ban same-sex marriage passes, the status of gay couples who already married will be heavily litigated and decided ultimately by the California Supreme Court, said UCLA law professor Brad Sears.
A legal rule that says laws should be interpreted retroactively only if they explicitly state they are retroactive "weighs in favor of this court continuing to recognize the marriages," Sears said.But some opponents of same-sex marriage said that if the initiative passes, they will again ask the court to invalidate the entire ruling, which also gave gays heightened constitutional protections against discrimination.
The court turned down the appeals in closed session, as it does in all petitions for rehearing.The nine-sentence order dispatched the case without stating the justices' reasons for acting, also standard procedure.
While county clerks in large cities were bracing for wedding madness, those in rural counties said they expected that few same-sex couples would apply for marriage licenses.
"I personally have had only one call," said Rose Gallo-Vasquez, assistant county clerk in rural Colusa County, north of Sacramento. "I don't think we're going to have a lot of them."
The clerk's office in San Francisco was scheduling appointments for couples, but the Los Angeles County registrar-recorder' s office said it would simply try to accommodate those people who show up.
The Los Angeles County office was considering extending hours June 17 in Norwalk and West Hollywood and marrying couples on Saturday, June 21.
"We can't gauge the size of the crowds," said spokesman Paul Drugan.
Pasadena's All Saints Church, a liberal Episcopal parish whose clergy have endorsed gay marriage, has so far scheduled 14 same-sex weddings for the summer.
"We're very excited," said the Rev. Susan Russell.
Palm Springs Councilman Rick Hutcheson said the city was "planning and preparing."
Hutcheson is among several City Council members who have been deputized to perform marriage ceremonies, and local hotels have been trying to create wedding packages that include airfare and accommodations.
"We're going to be ready to roll on the 17th," he said.
jessica.garrison@ latimes.comRon Branson's Comments:It should be noted that reporter Jessica Garrison, who contributed to this article, met with me personally in a restaurant for the purpose of an interview for a 4/24/06 Los Angeles Times article regarding JAIL4Judges. This article did indeed appear in the Los Angeles Times on that date and is reproduced in full at http://www.tulaneli nk.com/jail/ latimes_06a. htmCommenting on the newspaper article above, many naive people are of the opinion that the coming November election will lay everything to rest on this gay issue with the passage of the new Constitutional Amendment. As a matter of fact, it won't. The troubles will only be beginning. No law, including this one in November, can be applied retroactively. Such is a federal constitutional mandate, Article I, Sec. 10, "No state shall ... pass any bill of attainder, [or] expost facto law..." In other words, no law can be enacted that makes a person guilty of its mandates after the fact, nor can any law be enforced to situations that stood prior to its enactment.This means that all the tens -and/or hundreds- of thousands of "gay marriages" that occur prior to the passage of a future Constitutional Amendment can't be the subject of those who are already "married." Because of this, we are going to see an explosion of unimaginable litigation not only in California, but also in every other state throughout this nation regarding the status of "legally married gay people." It is reasonable to assume with certainty that the legal confusion will go on into the unforeseen future of this country without end except for the death of these "married couples."The fact is that only the passage of J.A.I.L. can provide a remedy to this nation's future dilemma. The reason is that J.A.I.L. would deal squarely with the California Supreme Court Justices directly. For instance, was the Prop 22 Amendment passed by 61% of the California People legitimate law? The justices' only defense would be to convince the Special Grand Jury that Prop 22 was unconstitutional, or that they either did not violate that law, or if they did violate that law, they did not do so willfully. As to the question of whether Prop 22 violated the Constitution, the Special Grand Jury would be forced to determine whether the Supreme Court's action was one of judicial activism (the passing of a law from the bench), or was a legitimate exercise of the constitutional discretion of the Supreme Court. If the former, the acts of the Supreme Court overthrowing Prop 22 was totally void. If the latter, that natural laws provide for gay marriages, it would indeed trump all laws to the contrary. Such would thus imply that the People could enact a Constitutional Amendment that would change the laws of nature established by God Himself.In the interim, it can be logically anticipated that outspoken ministers and Churches are going to be inundated with gays applying for Church membership and for gay marriage ceremonies with allegations of discrimination and hate crimes, followed by many lawsuits for violating the law.The fact is, never shall this country invalidate the need for the passage of J.A.I.L., and any attempt at doing so will assure the continuing destruction of America..