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  • Charles McCutchen
    I also found a Alabama Civil War Pension record for a John Franklin with a minor listed as John Franklin Name: John Franklin State Filed: Alabama Minor: John
    Message 1 of 29 , Apr 1, 2011
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      I also found a Alabama Civil War Pension record for a John Franklin with a minor listed as John Franklin

      Name:
      John Franklin




      State Filed:
      Alabama




      Minor:
      John Franklin, et AL
      Now this record is hard to read it looks like this last record might be for the 1st Tennessee Alabama Vidette Cavalry which was Union.  I have a great great grandfather who was Gilbreath Guides and Spies which was tied with this unit.  These men came out of Marshall, Dekalb and Jackson County.  A lot of them were mountain men who didn't own a lot of land and saw the Civil War as a planter's war.  My ancestor disappeared after the war too. I'll email the image to you.



      --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Betty <bettypigg@...> wrote:

      From: Betty <bettypigg@...>
      Subject: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
      To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 12:17 PM







       









      Does anyone know what schools were in Jackson Co AL in the 1870's? and are there any records of students who attended, I have a US Census of Jackson Co AL Township 3 Range 4, Household # 59 Nancy Click age 50 unemployed and John W. Franklin age 11 (says) at school, I believe, this is my gggrandfather and Nancy is his aunt siter to Sarah Caroline Manley. Don't know what happened to John's parents they got married in Marshall co AL in 1857, and that's all I can find on them. John W Franklin was born according to all research in Jackson Co AL and latter married Louisa Louiza Riddle, sorry I keep repeating myself just desperate for a lead



      Thanks

      Betty






















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    • billy hill
      i also have a question about schools. my grand father and g mother both went to schools in the paint rock valley. are there any records for the 1880s and 90s?
      Message 2 of 29 , Apr 2, 2011
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        i also have a question about schools. my grand father and g mother both went to
        schools in the paint rock valley. are there any records for the 1880s and 90s? i
        dont know which schools they attended but i do remember it was said that my
        gfather had graduated from high school. his name was john franklin hill  hers
        was eva jane sanders. thank you  billy hill




        ________________________________
        From: Charles McCutchen <chamac45@...>
        To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 9:22:48 PM
        Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL

         


        I also found a Alabama Civil War Pension record for a John Franklin with a minor
        listed as John Franklin

        Name:
        John Franklin



        State Filed:
        Alabama



        Minor:
        John Franklin, et AL
        Now this record is hard to read it looks like this last record might be for the
        1st Tennessee Alabama Vidette Cavalry which was Union.  I have a great great
        grandfather who was Gilbreath Guides and Spies which was tied with this unit. 
        These men came out of Marshall, Dekalb and Jackson County.  A lot of them were
        mountain men who didn't own a lot of land and saw the Civil War as a planter's
        war.  My ancestor disappeared after the war too. I'll email the image to you.


        --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Betty <bettypigg@...> wrote:

        From: Betty <bettypigg@...>
        Subject: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
        To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 12:17 PM

         

        Does anyone know what schools were in Jackson Co AL in the 1870's? and are there
        any records of students who attended, I have a US Census of Jackson Co AL
        Township 3 Range 4, Household # 59 Nancy Click age 50 unemployed and John W.
        Franklin age 11 (says) at school, I believe, this is my gggrandfather and Nancy
        is his aunt siter to Sarah Caroline Manley. Don't know what happened to John's
        parents they got married in Marshall co AL in 1857, and that's all I can find on
        them. John W Franklin was born according to all research in Jackson Co AL and
        latter married Louisa Louiza Riddle, sorry I keep repeating myself just
        desperate for a lead

        Thanks

        Betty

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      • Delilah
        I believed Scottsboro is in NW AL, in the corner, and yes those are the other towns - and you are correct Scottsboro is in NE AL, must be getting too old,
        Message 3 of 29 , Apr 2, 2011
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          I believed Scottsboro is in NW AL, in the corner, and yes those are the other towns - and you are correct Scottsboro is in NE AL, must be getting too old, Guess I been gone too long, its closer to Huntsville, I went to a meeting held in Sheffield and they have this running (?) track and it is nothing but hills and I mean big ones, needless to say I didn't run too much, I have a book "History of the Shoals" from Pioneer Days to World War 2.
          delilah
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Karl Plenge
          To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 6:51 PM
          Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL



          > Scottsboro is in the NW part of Alabama, there are a few other small towns
          > there but Scottsboro was the largest - it is called the "Nashville of Alabama"
          > lots of recording studios

          I think you might be thinking of the Florence-Sheffield-Tuscumbia area, also
          known as Muscle Shoals. That's in NW AL and there are lots of recording studios
          in that area.

          Scottsboro is in NE AL.





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        • Delilah
          The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on their Civil War database: http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm any idea if one of these is
          Message 4 of 29 , Apr 2, 2011
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            The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on their Civil War database:
            http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

            any idea if one of these is him?
            delilah
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Charles McCutchen
            To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 11:22 PM
            Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL





            I also found a Alabama Civil War Pension record for a John Franklin with a minor listed as John Franklin

            Name:
            John Franklin



            State Filed:
            Alabama



            Minor:
            John Franklin, et AL
            Now this record is hard to read it looks like this last record might be for the 1st Tennessee Alabama Vidette Cavalry which was Union.� I have a great great grandfather who was Gilbreath Guides and Spies which was tied with this unit.� These men came out of Marshall, Dekalb and Jackson County.� A lot of them were mountain men who didn't own a lot of land and saw the Civil War as a planter's war.� My ancestor disappeared after the war too. I'll email the image to you.

            --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Betty <bettypigg@...> wrote:

            From: Betty <bettypigg@...>
            Subject: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
            To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 12:17 PM



            Does anyone know what schools were in Jackson Co AL in the 1870's? and are there any records of students who attended, I have a US Census of Jackson Co AL Township 3 Range 4, Household # 59 Nancy Click age 50 unemployed and John W. Franklin age 11 (says) at school, I believe, this is my gggrandfather and Nancy is his aunt siter to Sarah Caroline Manley. Don't know what happened to John's parents they got married in Marshall co AL in 1857, and that's all I can find on them. John W Franklin was born according to all research in Jackson Co AL and latter married Louisa Louiza Riddle, sorry I keep repeating myself just desperate for a lead

            Thanks

            Betty

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          • Delilah
            There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed ... From: Delilah To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM Subject: Re:
            Message 5 of 29 , Apr 2, 2011
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              There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Delilah
              To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM
              Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL


              The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on their Civil War database:
              http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

              any idea if one of these is him?
              delilah
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Charles McCutchen
              To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 11:22 PM
              Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL





              I also found a Alabama Civil War Pension record for a John Franklin with a minor listed as John Franklin

              Name:
              John Franklin



              State Filed:
              Alabama



              Minor:
              John Franklin, et AL
              Now this record is hard to read it looks like this last record might be for the 1st Tennessee Alabama Vidette Cavalry which was Union.� I have a great great grandfather who was Gilbreath Guides and Spies which was tied with this unit.� These men came out of Marshall, Dekalb and Jackson County.� A lot of them were mountain men who didn't own a lot of land and saw the Civil War as a planter's war.� My ancestor disappeared after the war too. I'll email the image to you.

              --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Betty <bettypigg@...> wrote:

              From: Betty <bettypigg@...>
              Subject: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
              To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 12:17 PM



              Does anyone know what schools were in Jackson Co AL in the 1870's? and are there any records of students who attended, I have a US Census of Jackson Co AL Township 3 Range 4, Household # 59 Nancy Click age 50 unemployed and John W. Franklin age 11 (says) at school, I believe, this is my gggrandfather and Nancy is his aunt siter to Sarah Caroline Manley. Don't know what happened to John's parents they got married in Marshall co AL in 1857, and that's all I can find on them. John W Franklin was born according to all research in Jackson Co AL and latter married Louisa Louiza Riddle, sorry I keep repeating myself just desperate for a lead

              Thanks

              Betty

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            • Betty Pigg
              This link is not working, but I will check into this to see if either are my ggggrandfather Thank you Betty ... From: Delilah
              Message 6 of 29 , Apr 3, 2011
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                This link is not working, but I will check into this to see if either are my ggggrandfather
                Thank you
                Betty

                --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...> wrote:


                From: Delilah <diamond6468@...>
                Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM


                There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Delilah
                To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM
                Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL


                The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on their Civil War database:
                http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

                any idea if one of these is him?
                delilah
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Charles McCutchen
                To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 11:22 PM
                Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL


                 


                I also found a Alabama Civil War Pension record for a John Franklin with a minor listed as John Franklin

                Name:
                John Franklin



                State Filed:
                Alabama



                Minor:
                John Franklin, et AL
                Now this record is hard to read it looks like this last record might be for the 1st Tennessee Alabama Vidette Cavalry which was Union.  I have a great great grandfather who was Gilbreath Guides and Spies which was tied with this unit.  These men came out of Marshall, Dekalb and Jackson County.  A lot of them were mountain men who didn't own a lot of land and saw the Civil War as a planter's war.  My ancestor disappeared after the war too. I'll email the image to you.

                --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Betty <bettypigg@...> wrote:

                From: Betty <bettypigg@...>
                Subject: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 12:17 PM

                Â

                Does anyone know what schools were in Jackson Co AL in the 1870's? and are there any records of students who attended, I have a US Census of Jackson Co AL Township 3 Range 4, Household # 59 Nancy Click age 50 unemployed and John W. Franklin age 11 (says) at school, I believe, this is my gggrandfather and Nancy is his aunt siter to Sarah Caroline Manley. Don't know what happened to John's parents they got married in Marshall co AL in 1857, and that's all I can find on them. John W Franklin was born according to all research in Jackson Co AL and latter married Louisa Louiza Riddle, sorry I keep repeating myself just desperate for a lead

                Thanks

                Betty

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              • Mark Klan
                The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this email below is the live result of a database search
                Message 7 of 29 , Apr 5, 2011
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                  The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this email below is the "live" result of a database search (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm). It won't work to view the output of someone else's search, or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't include the search terms in the link itself (unlike Ancestry, for example). The database search function works great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably more that you wanted to know... :-)

                  Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to return to the original search screen and re-run the search from scratch. Here's the correct link:
                  http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm

                  Hope this helps.

                  Mark

                  Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:
                  > This link is not working, but I will check into this to see if either are my ggggrandfather
                  > Thank you
                  > Betty

                  > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...> wrote:

                  > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...>
                  > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                  > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                  > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM


                  > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Delilah
                  > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM
                  > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL


                  > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on their Civil War database:
                  > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

                  > any idea if one of these is him?
                  > delilah

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                • Roger Burbank
                  Hi gang, I ve found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the Alabama site and National Archives.  My question is this you would think you would find more
                  Message 8 of 29 , Apr 5, 2011
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                    Hi gang, I've found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the Alabama site and National Archives.  My question is this> you would think you would find more info?  I found pay cards giving enlistment dates, pay, present or not present. You would think you would find enlistment papers with next of kin or family info with this info? or an a oath to who ever you fought for. Any ideas.  Thanks Roger ps I have never found a pension statement for a confederate soldier, has anyone else.

                    --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Mark Klan <mark@...> wrote:


                    From: Mark Klan <mark@...>
                    Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                    To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 5:43 PM


                     



                    The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this email below is the "live" result of a database search (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm). It won't work to view the output of someone else's search, or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't include the search terms in the link itself (unlike Ancestry, for example). The database search function works great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably more that you wanted to know... :-)

                    Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to return to the original search screen and re-run the search from scratch. Here's the correct link:
                    http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm

                    Hope this helps.

                    Mark

                    Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:
                    > This link is not working, but I will check into this to see if either are my ggggrandfather
                    > Thank you
                    > Betty

                    > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...> wrote:

                    > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...>
                    > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                    > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                    > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM

                    > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: Delilah
                    > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM
                    > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL

                    > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on their Civil War database:
                    > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

                    > any idea if one of these is him?
                    > delilah

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                  • Clay Gullatt
                    Roger   What you are seeing at footnote.com is not the original service records but what a copyist has extracted from the original records. This could include
                    Message 9 of 29 , Apr 5, 2011
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                      Roger
                       
                      What you are seeing at footnote.com is not the original service records but what a copyist has extracted from the original records. This could include from enlistment lists, muster rolls, clothing rolls, hospital records, POW records and many others. When you look down at the bottom of the cards there usually is the name of the copyist. There are scans of a few original records at footnote.com but not that many. You have to remember that a lot of records were destroyed during the war.
                       
                      I don't think that I have ever seen next of kin on any Confederate enlistment papers of the hundreds of records I have gone over.  You are lucky if it lists where they enlisted. The only times were I have seen next of kin listed is where next of kin, usually parents or wives, claimed pay that was due for those deceased. One of my Gullatt cousins in GA lost all three of his sons and went to claim their pay that was due. 
                       
                      If you have some one who submitted a request for a pension then there is a lot more info on them in the original files which you would have to order, these records would be in the state's pension files rather than at NARA or footnote.
                       
                      There probably is more info on the soldiers at NARA but finding the records there is something else. There is a long list of Confederate Service Files at NARA. Go to NARA NAIL and enter confederate soldier service files in the search engine. If there are records of your soldier at NARA you can order copies of them. From what I saw as an example was the same thing at footnote. You would probably get better info from their pension file from the state.
                       
                      I believe others in this group have order pension files from the state and service files from NARA, so they could tell you exactly what they got.
                       
                      You can google NARA and then click on pre-1917 military service records.
                       
                       
                      Clay

                      --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Roger Burbank <burby9@...> wrote:


                      From: Roger Burbank <burby9@...>
                      Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                      To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 9:53 PM


                       



                      Hi gang, I've found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the Alabama site and National Archives.  My question is this> you would think you would find more info?  I found pay cards giving enlistment dates, pay, present or not present. You would think you would find enlistment papers with next of kin or family info with this info? or an a oath to who ever you fought for. Any ideas.  Thanks Roger ps I have never found a pension statement for a confederate soldier, has anyone else.

                      --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Mark Klan <mark@...> wrote:

                      From: Mark Klan <mark@...>
                      Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                      To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 5:43 PM

                       

                      The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this email below is the "live" result of a database search (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm). It won't work to view the output of someone else's search, or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't include the search terms in the link itself (unlike Ancestry, for example). The database search function works great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably more that you wanted to know... :-)

                      Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to return to the original search screen and re-run the search from scratch. Here's the correct link:
                      http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm

                      Hope this helps.

                      Mark

                      Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:
                      > This link is not working, but I will check into this to see if either are my ggggrandfather
                      > Thank you
                      > Betty

                      > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...> wrote:

                      > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...>
                      > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                      > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                      > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM

                      > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: Delilah
                      > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM
                      > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL

                      > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on their Civil War database:
                      > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

                      > any idea if one of these is him?
                      > delilah

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                    • Clay Gullatt
                      ... From: Clay Gullatt Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870 s in Jackson Co AL To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                      Message 10 of 29 , Apr 5, 2011
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                        --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...> wrote:


                        From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                        Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                        To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 11:39 PM


                         



                        Roger
                         
                        What you are seeing at footnote.com is not the original service records but what a copyist has extracted from the original records. This could include from enlistment lists, muster rolls, clothing rolls, hospital records, POW records and many others. When you look down at the bottom of the cards there usually is the name of the copyist. There are scans of a few original records at footnote.com but not that many. You have to remember that a lot of records were destroyed during the war.
                         
                        I don't think that I have ever seen next of kin on any Confederate enlistment papers of the hundreds of records I have gone over.  You are lucky if it lists where they enlisted. The only times were I have seen next of kin listed is where next of kin, usually parents or wives, claimed pay that was due for those deceased. One of my Gullatt cousins in GA lost all three of his sons and went to claim their pay that was due. 
                         
                        If you have some one who submitted a request for a pension then there is a lot more info on them in the original files which you would have to order, these records would be in the state's pension files rather than at NARA or footnote.
                         
                        There probably is more info on the soldiers at NARA but finding the records there is something else. There is a long list of Confederate Service Files at NARA. Go to NARA NAIL and enter confederate soldier service files in the search engine. If there are records of your soldier at NARA you can order copies of them. From what I saw as an example was the same thing at footnote. You would probably get better info from their pension file from the state.
                         
                        I believe others in this group have order pension files from the state and service files from NARA, so they could tell you exactly what they got.
                         
                        You can google NARA and then click on pre-1917 military service records.
                         
                         
                        Clay

                        --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Roger Burbank <burby9@...> wrote:

                        From: Roger Burbank <burby9@...>
                        Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                        To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 9:53 PM

                         

                        Hi gang, I've found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the Alabama site and National Archives.  My question is this> you would think you would find more info?  I found pay cards giving enlistment dates, pay, present or not present. You would think you would find enlistment papers with next of kin or family info with this info? or an a oath to who ever you fought for. Any ideas.  Thanks Roger ps I have never found a pension statement for a confederate soldier, has anyone else.

                        --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Mark Klan <mark@...> wrote:

                        From: Mark Klan <mark@...>
                        Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                        To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 5:43 PM

                         

                        The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this email below is the "live" result of a database search (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm). It won't work to view the output of someone else's search, or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't include the search terms in the link itself (unlike Ancestry, for example). The database search function works great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably more that you wanted to know... :-)

                        Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to return to the original search screen and re-run the search from scratch. Here's the correct link:
                        http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm

                        Hope this helps.

                        Mark

                        Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:
                        > This link is not working, but I will check into this to see if either are my ggggrandfather
                        > Thank you
                        > Betty

                        > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...> wrote:

                        > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...>
                        > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                        > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                        > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM

                        > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Delilah
                        > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM
                        > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL

                        > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on their Civil War database:
                        > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

                        > any idea if one of these is him?
                        > delilah

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                      • Roger Burbank
                        Clay, thanks for info. I downloaded from footnote my grandfather Caleb Stout Rev. War record. I had already ordered it thru National Archives. When the file
                        Message 11 of 29 , Apr 5, 2011
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                          Clay, thanks for info. I downloaded from footnote my grandfather Caleb Stout Rev. War record. I had already ordered it thru National Archives. When the file arrived it was 30 pages and exact info I had downloaded from footnote.com as was my Col. John Mccuctchen who died in Alabama 1835. I am under the impression footnotes are photographs of originals? am I wrong. My Mcc. war cards gave enlistments as Larkinsville, then listed where he died, which was Coffee Town AL. I am still a little confused. I know when I orederd from National archives, you could request everything they had, if you paid more. Roger

                          --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...> wrote:


                          From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                          Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files (correct subject)
                          To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 8:41 PM


                           





                          --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...> wrote:

                          From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                          Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                          To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 11:39 PM

                           

                          Roger
                           
                          What you are seeing at footnote.com is not the original service records but what a copyist has extracted from the original records. This could include from enlistment lists, muster rolls, clothing rolls, hospital records, POW records and many others. When you look down at the bottom of the cards there usually is the name of the copyist. There are scans of a few original records at footnote.com but not that many. You have to remember that a lot of records were destroyed during the war.
                           
                          I don't think that I have ever seen next of kin on any Confederate enlistment papers of the hundreds of records I have gone over.  You are lucky if it lists where they enlisted. The only times were I have seen next of kin listed is where next of kin, usually parents or wives, claimed pay that was due for those deceased. One of my Gullatt cousins in GA lost all three of his sons and went to claim their pay that was due. 
                           
                          If you have some one who submitted a request for a pension then there is a lot more info on them in the original files which you would have to order, these records would be in the state's pension files rather than at NARA or footnote.
                           
                          There probably is more info on the soldiers at NARA but finding the records there is something else. There is a long list of Confederate Service Files at NARA. Go to NARA NAIL and enter confederate soldier service files in the search engine. If there are records of your soldier at NARA you can order copies of them. From what I saw as an example was the same thing at footnote. You would probably get better info from their pension file from the state.
                           
                          I believe others in this group have order pension files from the state and service files from NARA, so they could tell you exactly what they got.
                           
                          You can google NARA and then click on pre-1917 military service records.
                           
                           
                          Clay

                          --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Roger Burbank <burby9@...> wrote:

                          From: Roger Burbank <burby9@...>
                          Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                          To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 9:53 PM

                           

                          Hi gang, I've found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the Alabama site and National Archives.  My question is this> you would think you would find more info?  I found pay cards giving enlistment dates, pay, present or not present. You would think you would find enlistment papers with next of kin or family info with this info? or an a oath to who ever you fought for. Any ideas.  Thanks Roger ps I have never found a pension statement for a confederate soldier, has anyone else.

                          --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Mark Klan <mark@...> wrote:

                          From: Mark Klan <mark@...>
                          Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                          To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 5:43 PM

                           

                          The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this email below is the "live" result of a database search (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm). It won't work to view the output of someone else's search, or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't include the search terms in the link itself (unlike Ancestry, for example). The database search function works great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably more that you wanted to know... :-)

                          Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to return to the original search screen and re-run the search from scratch. Here's the correct link:
                          http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm

                          Hope this helps.

                          Mark

                          Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:
                          > This link is not working, but I will check into this to see if either are my ggggrandfather
                          > Thank you
                          > Betty

                          > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...> wrote:

                          > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...>
                          > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                          > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                          > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM

                          > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: Delilah
                          > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM
                          > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL

                          > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on their Civil War database:
                          > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

                          > any idea if one of these is him?
                          > delilah

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                        • Martha Wallace
                          I have ordered Confederate pension files from Texas - eleven of them. Some are indigent solider applications, some are widow s applications, and some are
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                            I have ordered Confederate pension files from Texas - eleven of them. Some are indigent solider applications, some are widow's applications, and some are indigent widow's applications. The application itself is one page. Affidavits of people who served with them are attached and in the case of the widows, there are documents proving that the soldier is dead. In one case there is a copy of the bill for the casket - $100. In the case of William Washington Williams from Jackson County who served in the 27th Alabama, there is a copy of his discharge paper that is also an oath of allegiance.

                            The place to begin for pensions in Texas is http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/pensions/index.php
                            Confederate pensions were granted in the state where the veteran lived after the war. None of my eleven Texas pensions were for people who served from Texas; they served in Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee. So begin your search for your ancestor's pension in the state where he lived after the war.

                            The documents from the National Archives are probably the same as those on Footnote. Footnote has a contract with NARA to film their documents. Clay is right that many of the service records and roll sheets were clerks' copies, but that is all you will find - I don't think anyone has the originals. I've heard that NARA charges $75 for the first 100 pages of a file and then tells you if there are more so you can decide if you want to pay more. People often find that it is less expensive to hire a professional genealogist who specializes in DC archives work and can extract the needed documents for much less.

                            Happy hunting!

                            Martha in California
                            Genealogy - So many ancestors...so little time!

                            On Apr 5, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Roger Burbank wrote:

                            Clay, thanks for info. I downloaded from footnote my grandfather Caleb Stout Rev. War record. I had already ordered it thru National Archives. When the file arrived it was 30 pages and exact info I had downloaded from footnote.com as was my Col. John Mccuctchen who died in Alabama 1835. I am under the impression footnotes are photographs of originals? am I wrong. My Mcc. war cards gave enlistments as Larkinsville, then listed where he died, which was Coffee Town AL. I am still a little confused. I know when I orederd from National archives, you could request everything they had, if you paid more. Roger

                            --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...> wrote:

                            From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                            Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files (correct subject)
                            To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 8:41 PM



                            --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...> wrote:

                            From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                            Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                            To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 11:39 PM



                            Roger

                            What you are seeing at footnote.com is not the original service records but what a copyist has extracted from the original records. This could include from enlistment lists, muster rolls, clothing rolls, hospital records, POW records and many others. When you look down at the bottom of the cards there usually is the name of the copyist. There are scans of a few original records at footnote.com but not that many. You have to remember that a lot of records were destroyed during the war.

                            I don't think that I have ever seen next of kin on any Confederate enlistment papers of the hundreds of records I have gone over. You are lucky if it lists where they enlisted. The only times were I have seen next of kin listed is where next of kin, usually parents or wives, claimed pay that was due for those deceased. One of my Gullatt cousins in GA lost all three of his sons and went to claim their pay that was due.

                            If you have some one who submitted a request for a pension then there is a lot more info on them in the original files which you would have to order, these records would be in the state's pension files rather than at NARA or footnote.

                            There probably is more info on the soldiers at NARA but finding the records there is something else. There is a long list of Confederate Service Files at NARA. Go to NARA NAIL and enter confederate soldier service files in the search engine. If there are records of your soldier at NARA you can order copies of them. From what I saw as an example was the same thing at footnote. You would probably get better info from their pension file from the state.

                            I believe others in this group have order pension files from the state and service files from NARA, so they could tell you exactly what they got.

                            You can google NARA and then click on pre-1917 military service records.


                            Clay

                            --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Roger Burbank <burby9@...> wrote:

                            From: Roger Burbank <burby9@...>
                            Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                            To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 9:53 PM



                            Hi gang, I've found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the Alabama site and National Archives. My question is this> you would think you would find more info? I found pay cards giving enlistment dates, pay, present or not present. You would think you would find enlistment papers with next of kin or family info with this info? or an a oath to who ever you fought for. Any ideas. Thanks Roger ps I have never found a pension statement for a confederate soldier, has anyone else.

                            --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Mark Klan <mark@...> wrote:

                            From: Mark Klan <mark@...>
                            Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                            To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 5:43 PM



                            The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this email below is the "live" result of a database search (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm). It won't work to view the output of someone else's search, or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't include the search terms in the link itself (unlike Ancestry, for example). The database search function works great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably more that you wanted to know... :-)

                            Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to return to the original search screen and re-run the search from scratch. Here's the correct link:
                            http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm

                            Hope this helps.

                            Mark

                            Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:
                            > This link is not working, but I will check into this to see if either are my ggggrandfather
                            > Thank you
                            > Betty

                            > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...> wrote:

                            > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...>
                            > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                            > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                            > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM

                            > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Delilah
                            > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM
                            > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL

                            > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on their Civil War database:
                            > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

                            > any idea if one of these is him?
                            > delilah

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                          • Roger Burbank
                            Hi, National Archives charged me 80 dollars for 30 pages and said I had everything. So what your telling me is when you order or got to footnote you do not
                            Message 13 of 29 , Apr 5, 2011
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                              Hi, National Archives charged me 80 dollars for 30 pages and said I had everything. So what your telling me is when you order or got to footnote you do not receive all the info there really is. It does me no good to check in state he lived in after the war< he was killed in the war. I will make some calls and do some emails tommorow. Thanks Roger

                              --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Martha Wallace <Marthawsv@...> wrote:

                              > From: Martha Wallace <Marthawsv@...>
                              > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files (correct subject)
                              > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                              > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 9:52 PM
                              > I have ordered Confederate pension
                              > files from Texas - eleven of them. Some are indigent solider
                              > applications, some are widow's applications, and some are
                              > indigent widow's applications. The application itself is one
                              > page. Affidavits of people who served with them are attached
                              > and in the case of the widows, there are documents proving
                              > that the soldier is dead. In one case there is a copy of the
                              > bill for the casket - $100. In the case of William
                              > Washington Williams from Jackson County who served in the
                              > 27th Alabama, there is a copy of his discharge paper that is
                              > also an oath of allegiance.
                              >
                              > The place to begin for pensions in Texas is http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/pensions/index.php
                              > Confederate pensions were granted in the state where the
                              > veteran lived after the war. None of my eleven Texas
                              > pensions were for people who served from Texas; they served
                              > in Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee. So begin your search
                              > for your ancestor's pension in the state where he lived
                              > after the war.
                              >
                              > The documents from the National Archives are probably the
                              > same as those on Footnote. Footnote has a contract with NARA
                              > to film their documents. Clay is right that many of the
                              > service records and roll sheets were clerks' copies, but
                              > that is all you will find - I don't think anyone has the
                              > originals. I've heard that NARA charges $75 for the first
                              > 100 pages of a file and then tells you if there are more so
                              > you can decide if you want to pay more. People often find
                              > that it is less expensive to hire a professional genealogist
                              > who specializes in DC archives work and can extract the
                              > needed documents for much less.
                              >
                              > Happy hunting!
                              >
                              > Martha in California
                              > Genealogy - So many ancestors...so little time!
                              >
                              > On Apr 5, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Roger Burbank wrote:
                              >
                              > Clay, thanks for info. I downloaded from footnote my
                              > grandfather Caleb Stout Rev. War record. I had already
                              > ordered it thru National Archives. When the file arrived it
                              > was 30 pages and exact info I had downloaded from
                              > footnote.com as was my Col. John Mccuctchen who died in
                              > Alabama 1835. I am under the impression footnotes are
                              > photographs of originals? am I wrong. My Mcc. war cards gave
                              > enlistments as Larkinsville, then listed where he died,
                              > which was Coffee Town AL. I am still a little confused. I
                              > know when I orederd from National archives, you could
                              > request everything they had, if you paid more. Roger
                              >
                              > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                              > wrote:
                              >
                              > From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                              > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files
                              > (correct subject)
                              > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                              > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 8:41 PM
                              >
                              >  
                              >
                              > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                              > wrote:
                              >
                              > From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                              > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in
                              > Jackson Co AL
                              > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                              > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 11:39 PM
                              >
                              >  
                              >
                              > Roger
                              >
                              > What you are seeing at footnote.com is not the original
                              > service records but what a copyist has extracted from the
                              > original records. This could include from enlistment lists,
                              > muster rolls, clothing rolls, hospital records, POW records
                              > and many others. When you look down at the bottom of the
                              > cards there usually is the name of the copyist. There are
                              > scans of a few original records at footnote.com but not that
                              > many. You have to remember that a lot of records were
                              > destroyed during the war.
                              >
                              > I don't think that I have ever seen next of kin on any
                              > Confederate enlistment papers of the hundreds of records I
                              > have gone over.  You are lucky if it lists where they
                              > enlisted. The only times were I have seen next of kin listed
                              > is where next of kin, usually parents or wives, claimed pay
                              > that was due for those deceased. One of my Gullatt cousins
                              > in GA lost all three of his sons and went to claim their pay
                              > that was due.
                              >
                              > If you have some one who submitted a request for a pension
                              > then there is a lot more info on them in the original files
                              > which you would have to order, these records would be in the
                              > state's pension files rather than at NARA or footnote.
                              >
                              > There probably is more info on the soldiers at NARA but
                              > finding the records there is something else. There is a long
                              > list of Confederate Service Files at NARA. Go to NARA NAIL
                              > and enter confederate soldier service files in the search
                              > engine. If there are records of your soldier at NARA you can
                              > order copies of them. From what I saw as an example was the
                              > same thing at footnote. You would probably get better info
                              > from their pension file from the state.
                              >
                              > I believe others in this group have order pension files
                              > from the state and service files from NARA, so they could
                              > tell you exactly what they got.
                              >
                              > You can google NARA and then click on pre-1917 military
                              > service records.
                              >
                              >
                              > Clay
                              >
                              > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Roger Burbank <burby9@...>
                              > wrote:
                              >
                              > From: Roger Burbank <burby9@...>
                              > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in
                              > Jackson Co AL
                              > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                              > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 9:53 PM
                              >
                              >  
                              >
                              > Hi gang, I've found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the
                              > Alabama site and National Archives.  My question is
                              > this> you would think you would find more info?  I
                              > found pay cards giving enlistment dates, pay, present or not
                              > present. You would think you would find enlistment papers
                              > with next of kin or family info with this info? or an a oath
                              > to who ever you fought for. Any ideas.  Thanks Roger ps
                              > I have never found a pension statement for a confederate
                              > soldier, has anyone else.
                              >
                              > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Mark Klan <mark@...>
                              > wrote:
                              >
                              > From: Mark Klan <mark@...>
                              > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in
                              > Jackson Co AL
                              > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                              > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 5:43 PM
                              >
                              >  
                              >
                              > The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this
                              > email below is the "live" result of a database search (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm).
                              > It won't work to view the output of someone else's search,
                              > or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any
                              > other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't
                              > include the search terms in the link itself (unlike
                              > Ancestry, for example). The database search function works
                              > great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably
                              > more that you wanted to know... :-)
                              >
                              > Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of
                              > the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to
                              > return to the original search screen and re-run the search
                              > from scratch. Here's the correct link:
                              > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm
                              >
                              > Hope this helps.
                              >
                              > Mark
                              >
                              > Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:
                              > > This link is not working, but I will check into this
                              > to see if either are my ggggrandfather
                              > > Thank you
                              > > Betty
                              >
                              > > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...>
                              > wrote:
                              >
                              > > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...>
                              > > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's
                              > in Jackson Co AL
                              > > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM
                              >
                              > > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed
                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > From: Delilah
                              > > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                              >
                              > > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM
                              > > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's
                              > in Jackson Co AL
                              >
                              > > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on
                              > their Civil War database:
                              > > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm
                              >
                              > > any idea if one of these is him?
                              > > delilah
                              >
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                            • Roger Burbank
                              Clay, I contacted Alabama state archives. I think I have all they have. The man I talked with said very few pensions were file by home guard soldiers. My cards
                              Message 14 of 29 , Apr 6, 2011
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                                Clay, I contacted Alabama state archives. I think I have all they have. The man I talked with said very few pensions were file by home guard soldiers. My cards do not list a pension file. He said National Archives would not have anything more on him. I have where he enlisted, his pay voc. and where he was killed, he said there were be no oath on paper or any other info.  Now I need to make sure I have everything on my Rev. War ancestor. I'm told there are the select pension records and non select records.  Funny, I have 100's of pages on file for my ancestors and there war records and I'm always worried I'm missing something.  Roger

                                --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...> wrote:


                                From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                                Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files (correct subject)
                                To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 8:41 PM


                                 





                                --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...> wrote:

                                From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                                Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                                To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 11:39 PM

                                 

                                Roger
                                 
                                What you are seeing at footnote.com is not the original service records but what a copyist has extracted from the original records. This could include from enlistment lists, muster rolls, clothing rolls, hospital records, POW records and many others. When you look down at the bottom of the cards there usually is the name of the copyist. There are scans of a few original records at footnote.com but not that many. You have to remember that a lot of records were destroyed during the war.
                                 
                                I don't think that I have ever seen next of kin on any Confederate enlistment papers of the hundreds of records I have gone over.  You are lucky if it lists where they enlisted. The only times were I have seen next of kin listed is where next of kin, usually parents or wives, claimed pay that was due for those deceased. One of my Gullatt cousins in GA lost all three of his sons and went to claim their pay that was due. 
                                 
                                If you have some one who submitted a request for a pension then there is a lot more info on them in the original files which you would have to order, these records would be in the state's pension files rather than at NARA or footnote.
                                 
                                There probably is more info on the soldiers at NARA but finding the records there is something else. There is a long list of Confederate Service Files at NARA. Go to NARA NAIL and enter confederate soldier service files in the search engine. If there are records of your soldier at NARA you can order copies of them. From what I saw as an example was the same thing at footnote. You would probably get better info from their pension file from the state.
                                 
                                I believe others in this group have order pension files from the state and service files from NARA, so they could tell you exactly what they got.
                                 
                                You can google NARA and then click on pre-1917 military service records.
                                 
                                 
                                Clay

                                --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Roger Burbank <burby9@...> wrote:

                                From: Roger Burbank <burby9@...>
                                Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                                To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 9:53 PM

                                 

                                Hi gang, I've found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the Alabama site and National Archives.  My question is this> you would think you would find more info?  I found pay cards giving enlistment dates, pay, present or not present. You would think you would find enlistment papers with next of kin or family info with this info? or an a oath to who ever you fought for. Any ideas.  Thanks Roger ps I have never found a pension statement for a confederate soldier, has anyone else.

                                --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Mark Klan <mark@...> wrote:

                                From: Mark Klan <mark@...>
                                Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                                To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 5:43 PM

                                 

                                The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this email below is the "live" result of a database search (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm). It won't work to view the output of someone else's search, or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't include the search terms in the link itself (unlike Ancestry, for example). The database search function works great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably more that you wanted to know... :-)

                                Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to return to the original search screen and re-run the search from scratch. Here's the correct link:
                                http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm

                                Hope this helps.

                                Mark

                                Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:
                                > This link is not working, but I will check into this to see if either are my ggggrandfather
                                > Thank you
                                > Betty

                                > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...> wrote:

                                > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...>
                                > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                                > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM

                                > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: Delilah
                                > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM
                                > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL

                                > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on their Civil War database:
                                > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

                                > any idea if one of these is him?
                                > delilah

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                              • Roger Burbank
                                OK, I will share what I was told at National Archives. Footnote and ancestry do not have all info available. What they do have is microfilmed-digital images of
                                Message 15 of 29 , Apr 6, 2011
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                                  OK, I will share what I was told at National Archives. Footnote and ancestry do not have all info available. What they do have is microfilmed-digital images of original documents. If you order a full packet-pension form 85a, which is a full pension file- pre Civil War from National Arc. you get everything they have on your ancestor.  If you go there to do your reseach, you can see originals only if they have not been digitized or microfilmed, or if copies are unreadable you can see original if they still have it.  Photos are ok, but no flash. Now I compared what I received from National Arc. and what is on footnote and in my situation my ancestors file was the same compared to footnote and Nat. Arc. but that is different with each name.  My ancestor had 33 pages on footnote as did my packet from Nat. Arc. The copies I made from footnote were alot easier to read then the crummy copies I got from Nat. Arc. also I paid 80.00 $ for this one file from
                                  Nat. Arc. for 60 bucks a year on footnote I've copied 7 ancestors info, but you have to make sure it is a complete file, which alot of the time it is not. Hope I've made since? if not sorry.  Roger

                                  --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...> wrote:


                                  From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                                  Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files (correct subject)
                                  To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 8:41 PM


                                   





                                  --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...> wrote:

                                  From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                                  Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                                  To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 11:39 PM

                                   

                                  Roger
                                   
                                  What you are seeing at footnote.com is not the original service records but what a copyist has extracted from the original records. This could include from enlistment lists, muster rolls, clothing rolls, hospital records, POW records and many others. When you look down at the bottom of the cards there usually is the name of the copyist. There are scans of a few original records at footnote.com but not that many. You have to remember that a lot of records were destroyed during the war.
                                   
                                  I don't think that I have ever seen next of kin on any Confederate enlistment papers of the hundreds of records I have gone over.  You are lucky if it lists where they enlisted. The only times were I have seen next of kin listed is where next of kin, usually parents or wives, claimed pay that was due for those deceased. One of my Gullatt cousins in GA lost all three of his sons and went to claim their pay that was due. 
                                   
                                  If you have some one who submitted a request for a pension then there is a lot more info on them in the original files which you would have to order, these records would be in the state's pension files rather than at NARA or footnote.
                                   
                                  There probably is more info on the soldiers at NARA but finding the records there is something else. There is a long list of Confederate Service Files at NARA. Go to NARA NAIL and enter confederate soldier service files in the search engine. If there are records of your soldier at NARA you can order copies of them. From what I saw as an example was the same thing at footnote. You would probably get better info from their pension file from the state.
                                   
                                  I believe others in this group have order pension files from the state and service files from NARA, so they could tell you exactly what they got.
                                   
                                  You can google NARA and then click on pre-1917 military service records.
                                   
                                   
                                  Clay

                                  --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Roger Burbank <burby9@...> wrote:

                                  From: Roger Burbank <burby9@...>
                                  Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                                  To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 9:53 PM

                                   

                                  Hi gang, I've found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the Alabama site and National Archives.  My question is this> you would think you would find more info?  I found pay cards giving enlistment dates, pay, present or not present. You would think you would find enlistment papers with next of kin or family info with this info? or an a oath to who ever you fought for. Any ideas.  Thanks Roger ps I have never found a pension statement for a confederate soldier, has anyone else.

                                  --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Mark Klan <mark@...> wrote:

                                  From: Mark Klan <mark@...>
                                  Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                                  To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 5:43 PM

                                   

                                  The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this email below is the "live" result of a database search (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm). It won't work to view the output of someone else's search, or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't include the search terms in the link itself (unlike Ancestry, for example). The database search function works great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably more that you wanted to know... :-)

                                  Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to return to the original search screen and re-run the search from scratch. Here's the correct link:
                                  http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm

                                  Hope this helps.

                                  Mark

                                  Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:
                                  > This link is not working, but I will check into this to see if either are my ggggrandfather
                                  > Thank you
                                  > Betty

                                  > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...> wrote:

                                  > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...>
                                  > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                                  > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM

                                  > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: Delilah
                                  > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM
                                  > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL

                                  > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on their Civil War database:
                                  > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

                                  > any idea if one of these is him?
                                  > delilah

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                                • Cindy Smith
                                  This page shows what I was able to find out by reading each one of the images in John Holdridge s records at Footnote.com
                                  Message 16 of 29 , Apr 7, 2011
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                                    This page shows what I was able to find out by reading each one of the images in John Holdridge's records at Footnote.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~holdridge/military/holdridgejohnprivate.html

                                    The images at footnote were more complete than the records that my father received from NARA back in the 1980's. The records from NARA did not include the discharge papers. That was the most important paper, for that proved John was from Lauren's County, SC.

                                    Cindy



                                    To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                    From: blackcloud27030@...
                                    Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:41:18 -0700
                                    Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files (correct subject)








                                    --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...> wrote:

                                    From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                                    Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                                    To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                    Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 11:39 PM



                                    Roger

                                    What you are seeing at footnote.com is not the original service records but what a copyist has extracted from the original records. This could include from enlistment lists, muster rolls, clothing rolls, hospital records, POW records and many others. When you look down at the bottom of the cards there usually is the name of the copyist. There are scans of a few original records at footnote.com but not that many. You have to remember that a lot of records were destroyed during the war.

                                    I don't think that I have ever seen next of kin on any Confederate enlistment papers of the hundreds of records I have gone over. You are lucky if it lists where they enlisted. The only times were I have seen next of kin listed is where next of kin, usually parents or wives, claimed pay that was due for those deceased. One of my Gullatt cousins in GA lost all three of his sons and went to claim their pay that was due.

                                    If you have some one who submitted a request for a pension then there is a lot more info on them in the original files which you would have to order, these records would be in the state's pension files rather than at NARA or footnote.

                                    There probably is more info on the soldiers at NARA but finding the records there is something else. There is a long list of Confederate Service Files at NARA. Go to NARA NAIL and enter confederate soldier service files in the search engine. If there are records of your soldier at NARA you can order copies of them. From what I saw as an example was the same thing at footnote. You would probably get better info from their pension file from the state.

                                    I believe others in this group have order pension files from the state and service files from NARA, so they could tell you exactly what they got.

                                    You can google NARA and then click on pre-1917 military service records.


                                    Clay

                                    --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Roger Burbank <burby9@...> wrote:

                                    From: Roger Burbank <burby9@...>
                                    Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                                    To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                    Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 9:53 PM



                                    Hi gang, I've found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the Alabama site and National Archives. My question is this> you would think you would find more info? I found pay cards giving enlistment dates, pay, present or not present. You would think you would find enlistment papers with next of kin or family info with this info? or an a oath to who ever you fought for. Any ideas. Thanks Roger ps I have never found a pension statement for a confederate soldier, has anyone else.

                                    --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Mark Klan <mark@...> wrote:

                                    From: Mark Klan <mark@...>
                                    Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                                    To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                    Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 5:43 PM



                                    The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this email below is the "live" result of a database search (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm). It won't work to view the output of someone else's search, or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't include the search terms in the link itself (unlike Ancestry, for example). The database search function works great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably more that you wanted to know... :-)

                                    Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to return to the original search screen and re-run the search from scratch. Here's the correct link:
                                    http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm

                                    Hope this helps.

                                    Mark

                                    Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:
                                    > This link is not working, but I will check into this to see if either are my ggggrandfather
                                    > Thank you
                                    > Betty

                                    > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...> wrote:

                                    > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...>
                                    > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL
                                    > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM

                                    > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: Delilah
                                    > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM
                                    > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in Jackson Co AL

                                    > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on their Civil War database:
                                    > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

                                    > any idea if one of these is him?
                                    > delilah

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                                  • Clay Gullatt
                                    Cindy I wonder why he was in the service anyway? He was way over the cut off of 35 years for enlistment. I have the discharge papers of William Gullatt of
                                    Message 17 of 29 , Apr 7, 2011
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                                      Cindy

                                      I wonder why he was in the service anyway? He was way over the cut off of 35 years for enlistment. I have the discharge papers of William Gullatt of Lincoln Parish LA who was discharged at age 37 for being too old. I have seen the discharge papers of many others who were either too old or under age.

                                      The regulations said free white male persons above the age of eighteen and under the age of 35 could enlist. Those under twenty-one must have the permission of the parent, guardian or master. Near the end of the war I think the enforement of this requlation was lax.

                                      Of course in the closing days of the war especially in Virginia they took just about every male who volunteered from white haired old men to beardless boys or as one historian wrote about the Battle of Petersburg "everyone from the grave to the cradle".

                                      The modern term for abdominal dropsy is aceites it can be cause by either liver disease or heart failure.

                                      Clay

                                      --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Cindy Smith <cindysmith9@...> wrote:

                                      > From: Cindy Smith <cindysmith9@...>
                                      > Subject: RE: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files (correct subject)
                                      > To: "Jackson Group" <jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 2:29 PM
                                      >
                                      > This page shows what I was able to find out by reading each
                                      > one of the images in John Holdridge's records at
                                      > Footnote.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~holdridge/military/holdridgejohnprivate.html
                                      >
                                      > The images at footnote were more complete than the records
                                      > that my father received from NARA back in the 1980's. The
                                      > records from NARA did not include the discharge papers. That
                                      > was the most important paper, for that proved John was from
                                      > Lauren's County, SC.
                                      >
                                      > Cindy
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                      > From: blackcloud27030@...
                                      > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:41:18 -0700
                                      > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files
                                      > (correct subject)
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >  
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                                      > wrote:
                                      >
                                      > From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>
                                      > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in
                                      > Jackson Co AL
                                      > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 11:39 PM
                                      >
                                      >  
                                      >
                                      > Roger
                                      >
                                      > What you are seeing at footnote.com is not the original
                                      > service records but what a copyist has extracted from the
                                      > original records. This could include from enlistment lists,
                                      > muster rolls, clothing rolls, hospital records, POW records
                                      > and many others. When you look down at the bottom of the
                                      > cards there usually is the name of the copyist. There are
                                      > scans of a few original records at footnote.com but not that
                                      > many. You have to remember that a lot of records were
                                      > destroyed during the war.
                                      >
                                      > I don't think that I have ever seen next of kin on any
                                      > Confederate enlistment papers of the hundreds of records I
                                      > have gone over.  You are lucky if it lists where they
                                      > enlisted. The only times were I have seen next of kin listed
                                      > is where next of kin, usually parents or wives, claimed pay
                                      > that was due for those deceased. One of my Gullatt cousins
                                      > in GA lost all three of his sons and went to claim their pay
                                      > that was due.
                                      >
                                      > If you have some one who submitted a request for a pension
                                      > then there is a lot more info on them in the original files
                                      > which you would have to order, these records would be in the
                                      > state's pension files rather than at NARA or footnote.
                                      >
                                      > There probably is more info on the soldiers at NARA but
                                      > finding the records there is something else. There is a long
                                      > list of Confederate Service Files at NARA. Go to NARA NAIL
                                      > and enter confederate soldier service files in the search
                                      > engine. If there are records of your soldier at NARA you can
                                      > order copies of them. From what I saw as an example was the
                                      > same thing at footnote. You would probably get better info
                                      > from their pension file from the state.
                                      >
                                      > I believe others in this group have order pension files
                                      > from the state and service files from NARA, so they could
                                      > tell you exactly what they got.
                                      >
                                      > You can google NARA and then click on pre-1917 military
                                      > service records.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Clay
                                      >
                                      > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Roger Burbank <burby9@...>
                                      > wrote:
                                      >
                                      > From: Roger Burbank <burby9@...>
                                      > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in
                                      > Jackson Co AL
                                      > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 9:53 PM
                                      >
                                      >  
                                      >
                                      > Hi gang, I've found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the
                                      > Alabama site and National Archives.  My question is
                                      > this> you would think you would find more info?  I
                                      > found pay cards giving enlistment dates, pay, present or not
                                      > present. You would think you would find enlistment papers
                                      > with next of kin or family info with this info? or an a oath
                                      > to who ever you fought for. Any ideas.  Thanks Roger ps
                                      > I have never found a pension statement for a confederate
                                      > soldier, has anyone else.
                                      >
                                      > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Mark Klan <mark@...>
                                      > wrote:
                                      >
                                      > From: Mark Klan <mark@...>
                                      > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in
                                      > Jackson Co AL
                                      > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 5:43 PM
                                      >
                                      >  
                                      >
                                      > The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this
                                      > email below is the "live" result of a database search (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm).
                                      > It won't work to view the output of someone else's search,
                                      > or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any
                                      > other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't
                                      > include the search terms in the link itself (unlike
                                      > Ancestry, for example). The database search function works
                                      > great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably
                                      > more that you wanted to know... :-)
                                      >
                                      > Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of
                                      > the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to
                                      > return to the original search screen and re-run the search
                                      > from scratch. Here's the correct link:
                                      > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm
                                      >
                                      > Hope this helps.
                                      >
                                      > Mark
                                      >
                                      > Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:
                                      > > This link is not working, but I will check into this
                                      > to see if either are my ggggrandfather
                                      > > Thank you
                                      > > Betty
                                      >
                                      > > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...>
                                      > wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...>
                                      > > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's
                                      > in Jackson Co AL
                                      > > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM
                                      >
                                      > > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed
                                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > > From: Delilah
                                      > > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                      >
                                      > > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM
                                      > > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's
                                      > in Jackson Co AL
                                      >
                                      > > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on
                                      > their Civil War database:
                                      > > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm
                                      >
                                      > > any idea if one of these is him?
                                      > > delilah
                                      >
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                                    • Regina Pipes
                                      Clay, My great grandfather Joseph GRIDER/GRYDER/GUIDER was in his fifties when he enlisted in the service. He was from Tennessee. He was a recruiter for the
                                      Message 18 of 29 , Apr 7, 2011
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                                        Clay,

                                        My great grandfather Joseph GRIDER/GRYDER/GUIDER was in his fifties when he
                                        enlisted in the service. He was from Tennessee. He was a recruiter for the
                                        Union and spent most of his time in a confederate prison.

                                        Regina



                                        From: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                        [mailto:jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clay Gullatt
                                        Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:46 PM
                                        To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: RE: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files - John Holdridge





                                        Cindy

                                        I wonder why he was in the service anyway? He was way over the cut off of 35
                                        years for enlistment. I have the discharge papers of William Gullatt of
                                        Lincoln Parish LA who was discharged at age 37 for being too old. I have
                                        seen the discharge papers of many others who were either too old or under
                                        age.






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                                      • JLH
                                        I knew A guy that was sixteen and was in Vietnam with me people forged birth certificates and sad to say some recruiters would help them. This young guy was
                                        Message 19 of 29 , Apr 8, 2011
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                                          I knew A guy that was sixteen and was in Vietnam with me people forged birth
                                          certificates and sad to say some recruiters would help them. This young guy
                                          was big and mature for his age and I still talk to him today. He was a fine
                                          soldier. I was his platoon Sergeant

                                          John Hamilton



                                          _____

                                          From: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                          [mailto:jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clay Gullatt
                                          Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:46 PM
                                          To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: RE: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files - John Holdridge





                                          Cindy

                                          I wonder why he was in the service anyway? He was way over the cut off of 35
                                          years for enlistment. I have the discharge papers of William Gullatt of
                                          Lincoln Parish LA who was discharged at age 37 for being too old. I have
                                          seen the discharge papers of many others who were either too old or under
                                          age.

                                          The regulations said free white male persons above the age of eighteen and
                                          under the age of 35 could enlist. Those under twenty-one must have the
                                          permission of the parent, guardian or master. Near the end of the war I
                                          think the enforement of this requlation was lax.

                                          Of course in the closing days of the war especially in Virginia they took
                                          just about every male who volunteered from white haired old men to beardless
                                          boys or as one historian wrote about the Battle of Petersburg "everyone from
                                          the grave to the cradle".

                                          The modern term for abdominal dropsy is aceites it can be cause by either
                                          liver disease or heart failure.

                                          Clay

                                          --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Cindy Smith <cindysmith9@...
                                          <mailto:cindysmith9%40hotmail.com> > wrote:

                                          > From: Cindy Smith <cindysmith9@...
                                          <mailto:cindysmith9%40hotmail.com> >
                                          > Subject: RE: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files (correct subject)
                                          > To: "Jackson Group" <jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                          <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com> >
                                          > Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 2:29 PM
                                          >
                                          > This page shows what I was able to find out by reading each
                                          > one of the images in John Holdridge's records at
                                          > Footnote.com
                                          http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~holdridge/military/holdrid
                                          gejohnprivate.html
                                          >
                                          > The images at footnote were more complete than the records
                                          > that my father received from NARA back in the 1980's. The
                                          > records from NARA did not include the discharge papers. That
                                          > was the most important paper, for that proved John was from
                                          > Lauren's County, SC.
                                          >
                                          > Cindy
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                          <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > From: blackcloud27030@... <mailto:blackcloud27030%40yahoo.com>
                                          > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:41:18 -0700
                                          > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files
                                          > (correct subject)
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...
                                          <mailto:blackcloud27030%40yahoo.com> >
                                          > wrote:
                                          >
                                          > From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...
                                          <mailto:blackcloud27030%40yahoo.com> >
                                          > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in
                                          > Jackson Co AL
                                          > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                          <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 11:39 PM
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Roger
                                          >
                                          > What you are seeing at footnote.com is not the original
                                          > service records but what a copyist has extracted from the
                                          > original records. This could include from enlistment lists,
                                          > muster rolls, clothing rolls, hospital records, POW records
                                          > and many others. When you look down at the bottom of the
                                          > cards there usually is the name of the copyist. There are
                                          > scans of a few original records at footnote.com but not that
                                          > many. You have to remember that a lot of records were
                                          > destroyed during the war.
                                          >
                                          > I don't think that I have ever seen next of kin on any
                                          > Confederate enlistment papers of the hundreds of records I
                                          > have gone over. You are lucky if it lists where they
                                          > enlisted. The only times were I have seen next of kin listed
                                          > is where next of kin, usually parents or wives, claimed pay
                                          > that was due for those deceased. One of my Gullatt cousins
                                          > in GA lost all three of his sons and went to claim their pay
                                          > that was due.
                                          >
                                          > If you have some one who submitted a request for a pension
                                          > then there is a lot more info on them in the original files
                                          > which you would have to order, these records would be in the
                                          > state's pension files rather than at NARA or footnote.
                                          >
                                          > There probably is more info on the soldiers at NARA but
                                          > finding the records there is something else. There is a long
                                          > list of Confederate Service Files at NARA. Go to NARA NAIL
                                          > and enter confederate soldier service files in the search
                                          > engine. If there are records of your soldier at NARA you can
                                          > order copies of them. From what I saw as an example was the
                                          > same thing at footnote. You would probably get better info
                                          > from their pension file from the state.
                                          >
                                          > I believe others in this group have order pension files
                                          > from the state and service files from NARA, so they could
                                          > tell you exactly what they got.
                                          >
                                          > You can google NARA and then click on pre-1917 military
                                          > service records.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Clay
                                          >
                                          > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Roger Burbank <burby9@...
                                          <mailto:burby9%40yahoo.com> >
                                          > wrote:
                                          >
                                          > From: Roger Burbank <burby9@... <mailto:burby9%40yahoo.com> >
                                          > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in
                                          > Jackson Co AL
                                          > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                          <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 9:53 PM
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Hi gang, I've found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the
                                          > Alabama site and National Archives. My question is
                                          > this> you would think you would find more info? I
                                          > found pay cards giving enlistment dates, pay, present or not
                                          > present. You would think you would find enlistment papers
                                          > with next of kin or family info with this info? or an a oath
                                          > to who ever you fought for. Any ideas. Thanks Roger ps
                                          > I have never found a pension statement for a confederate
                                          > soldier, has anyone else.
                                          >
                                          > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Mark Klan <mark@...
                                          <mailto:mark%40markabout.com> >
                                          > wrote:
                                          >
                                          > From: Mark Klan <mark@... <mailto:mark%40markabout.com> >
                                          > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in
                                          > Jackson Co AL
                                          > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                          <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 5:43 PM
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this
                                          > email below is the "live" result of a database search
                                          (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm).
                                          > It won't work to view the output of someone else's search,
                                          > or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any
                                          > other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't
                                          > include the search terms in the link itself (unlike
                                          > Ancestry, for example). The database search function works
                                          > great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably
                                          > more that you wanted to know... :-)
                                          >
                                          > Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of
                                          > the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to
                                          > return to the original search screen and re-run the search
                                          > from scratch. Here's the correct link:
                                          > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm
                                          >
                                          > Hope this helps.
                                          >
                                          > Mark
                                          >
                                          > Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:
                                          > > This link is not working, but I will check into this
                                          > to see if either are my ggggrandfather
                                          > > Thank you
                                          > > Betty
                                          >
                                          > > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...
                                          <mailto:diamond6468%40mindspring.com> >
                                          > wrote:
                                          >
                                          > > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...
                                          <mailto:diamond6468%40mindspring.com> >
                                          > > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's
                                          > in Jackson Co AL
                                          > > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                          <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM
                                          >
                                          > > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed
                                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > From: Delilah
                                          > > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                          <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          >
                                          > > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM
                                          > > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's
                                          > in Jackson Co AL
                                          >
                                          > > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on
                                          > their Civil War database:
                                          > > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm
                                          >
                                          > > any idea if one of these is him?
                                          > > delilah
                                          >
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                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > ------------------------------------
                                          >
                                          > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > jacksongenealogy-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
                                          <mailto:jacksongenealogy-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >





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                                        • Charles McCutchen
                                          Re: the Conscription Act: A September 1862 amendment raised the age limit to 45, and February 1864, the limits were extended to range between 17 and 50.
                                          Message 20 of 29 , Apr 8, 2011
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                                            Re: the Conscription Act:

                                            A September 1862 amendment raised the
                                            age limit to
                                            45, and February 1864, the limits were
                                            extended to
                                            range
                                            between 17 and 50.

                                            http://www.wtv-zone.com/civilwar/condraft.html

                                            --- On Fri, 4/8/11, JLH <hkatherinejohn@...> wrote:

                                            From: JLH <hkatherinejohn@...>
                                            Subject: RE: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files - John Holdridge
                                            To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                            Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 5:34 AM
















                                             









                                            I knew A guy that was sixteen and was in Vietnam with me people forged birth

                                            certificates and sad to say some recruiters would help them. This young guy

                                            was big and mature for his age and I still talk to him today. He was a fine

                                            soldier. I was his platoon Sergeant



                                            John Hamilton



                                            _____



                                            From: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                            [mailto:jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clay Gullatt

                                            Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:46 PM

                                            To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                            Subject: RE: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files - John Holdridge



                                            Cindy



                                            I wonder why he was in the service anyway? He was way over the cut off of 35

                                            years for enlistment. I have the discharge papers of William Gullatt of

                                            Lincoln Parish LA who was discharged at age 37 for being too old. I have

                                            seen the discharge papers of many others who were either too old or under

                                            age.



                                            The regulations said free white male persons above the age of eighteen and

                                            under the age of 35 could enlist. Those under twenty-one must have the

                                            permission of the parent, guardian or master. Near the end of the war I

                                            think the enforement of this requlation was lax.



                                            Of course in the closing days of the war especially in Virginia they took

                                            just about every male who volunteered from white haired old men to beardless

                                            boys or as one historian wrote about the Battle of Petersburg "everyone from

                                            the grave to the cradle".



                                            The modern term for abdominal dropsy is aceites it can be cause by either

                                            liver disease or heart failure.



                                            Clay



                                            --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Cindy Smith <cindysmith9@...

                                            <mailto:cindysmith9%40hotmail.com> > wrote:



                                            > From: Cindy Smith <cindysmith9@...

                                            <mailto:cindysmith9%40hotmail.com> >

                                            > Subject: RE: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files (correct subject)

                                            > To: "Jackson Group" <jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                            <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com> >

                                            > Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 2:29 PM

                                            >

                                            > This page shows what I was able to find out by reading each

                                            > one of the images in John Holdridge's records at

                                            > Footnote.com

                                            http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~holdridge/military/holdrid

                                            gejohnprivate.html

                                            >

                                            > The images at footnote were more complete than the records

                                            > that my father received from NARA back in the 1980's. The

                                            > records from NARA did not include the discharge papers. That

                                            > was the most important paper, for that proved John was from

                                            > Lauren's County, SC.

                                            >

                                            > Cindy

                                            >

                                            >

                                            >

                                            > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                            <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>

                                            > From: blackcloud27030@... <mailto:blackcloud27030%40yahoo.com>

                                            > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:41:18 -0700

                                            > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files

                                            > (correct subject)

                                            >

                                            >

                                            >

                                            >

                                            >

                                            >

                                            >

                                            >

                                            > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...

                                            <mailto:blackcloud27030%40yahoo.com> >

                                            > wrote:

                                            >

                                            > From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...

                                            <mailto:blackcloud27030%40yahoo.com> >

                                            > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in

                                            > Jackson Co AL

                                            > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                            <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>

                                            > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 11:39 PM

                                            >

                                            >

                                            >

                                            > Roger

                                            >

                                            > What you are seeing at footnote.com is not the original

                                            > service records but what a copyist has extracted from the

                                            > original records. This could include from enlistment lists,

                                            > muster rolls, clothing rolls, hospital records, POW records

                                            > and many others. When you look down at the bottom of the

                                            > cards there usually is the name of the copyist. There are

                                            > scans of a few original records at footnote.com but not that

                                            > many. You have to remember that a lot of records were

                                            > destroyed during the war.

                                            >

                                            > I don't think that I have ever seen next of kin on any

                                            > Confederate enlistment papers of the hundreds of records I

                                            > have gone over. You are lucky if it lists where they

                                            > enlisted. The only times were I have seen next of kin listed

                                            > is where next of kin, usually parents or wives, claimed pay

                                            > that was due for those deceased. One of my Gullatt cousins

                                            > in GA lost all three of his sons and went to claim their pay

                                            > that was due.

                                            >

                                            > If you have some one who submitted a request for a pension

                                            > then there is a lot more info on them in the original files

                                            > which you would have to order, these records would be in the

                                            > state's pension files rather than at NARA or footnote.

                                            >

                                            > There probably is more info on the soldiers at NARA but

                                            > finding the records there is something else. There is a long

                                            > list of Confederate Service Files at NARA. Go to NARA NAIL

                                            > and enter confederate soldier service files in the search

                                            > engine. If there are records of your soldier at NARA you can

                                            > order copies of them. From what I saw as an example was the

                                            > same thing at footnote. You would probably get better info

                                            > from their pension file from the state.

                                            >

                                            > I believe others in this group have order pension files

                                            > from the state and service files from NARA, so they could

                                            > tell you exactly what they got.

                                            >

                                            > You can google NARA and then click on pre-1917 military

                                            > service records.

                                            >

                                            >

                                            > Clay

                                            >

                                            > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Roger Burbank <burby9@...

                                            <mailto:burby9%40yahoo.com> >

                                            > wrote:

                                            >

                                            > From: Roger Burbank <burby9@... <mailto:burby9%40yahoo.com> >

                                            > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in

                                            > Jackson Co AL

                                            > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                            <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>

                                            > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 9:53 PM

                                            >

                                            >

                                            >

                                            > Hi gang, I've found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the

                                            > Alabama site and National Archives. My question is

                                            > this> you would think you would find more info? I

                                            > found pay cards giving enlistment dates, pay, present or not

                                            > present. You would think you would find enlistment papers

                                            > with next of kin or family info with this info? or an a oath

                                            > to who ever you fought for. Any ideas. Thanks Roger ps

                                            > I have never found a pension statement for a confederate

                                            > soldier, has anyone else.

                                            >

                                            > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Mark Klan <mark@...

                                            <mailto:mark%40markabout.com> >

                                            > wrote:

                                            >

                                            > From: Mark Klan <mark@... <mailto:mark%40markabout.com> >

                                            > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in

                                            > Jackson Co AL

                                            > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                            <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>

                                            > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 5:43 PM

                                            >

                                            >

                                            >

                                            > The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this

                                            > email below is the "live" result of a database search

                                            (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm).

                                            > It won't work to view the output of someone else's search,

                                            > or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any

                                            > other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't

                                            > include the search terms in the link itself (unlike

                                            > Ancestry, for example). The database search function works

                                            > great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably

                                            > more that you wanted to know... :-)

                                            >

                                            > Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of

                                            > the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to

                                            > return to the original search screen and re-run the search

                                            > from scratch. Here's the correct link:

                                            > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm

                                            >

                                            > Hope this helps.

                                            >

                                            > Mark

                                            >

                                            > Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:

                                            > > This link is not working, but I will check into this

                                            > to see if either are my ggggrandfather

                                            > > Thank you

                                            > > Betty

                                            >

                                            > > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...

                                            <mailto:diamond6468%40mindspring.com> >

                                            > wrote:

                                            >

                                            > > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...

                                            <mailto:diamond6468%40mindspring.com> >

                                            > > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's

                                            > in Jackson Co AL

                                            > > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                            <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>

                                            > > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM

                                            >

                                            > > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed

                                            > > ----- Original Message -----

                                            > > From: Delilah

                                            > > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                            <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>

                                            >

                                            > > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM

                                            > > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's

                                            > in Jackson Co AL

                                            >

                                            > > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on

                                            > their Civil War database:

                                            > > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

                                            >

                                            > > any idea if one of these is him?

                                            > > delilah

                                            >

                                            > {reminder of thread snipped}

                                            >

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                                            >

                                            > Yahoo! Groups Links

                                            >

                                            >

                                            > jacksongenealogy-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com

                                            <mailto:jacksongenealogy-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com>

                                            >

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                                          • Clay Gullatt
                                            John Holdridge was 51 years old in Apr 1864 well over all the age limits. He was 48 when he enlisted in 1862.   The youngest I have see was 12 years old (at
                                            Message 21 of 29 , Apr 8, 2011
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                                              John Holdridge was 51 years old in Apr 1864 well over all the age limits. He was 48 when he enlisted in 1862.
                                               
                                              The youngest I have see was 12 years old (at least on records).  One of my Thrifts in VA was 14 when he enlisted in Mosby's Rangers.
                                               
                                              The last WW1 vet died in Feb 2011 at age 110, he had enlisted at age 16.
                                               
                                              When I was in the Navy Hurricane Hunters in 1958 we had a guy who had enlisted at 15. He went on to retire as a LCDR.
                                               
                                              Clay
                                               


                                              --- On Fri, 4/8/11, Charles McCutchen <chamac45@...> wrote:


                                              From: Charles McCutchen <chamac45@...>
                                              Subject: RE: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files - John Holdridge
                                              To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                              Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 8:11 AM


                                               



                                              Re: the Conscription Act:

                                              A September 1862 amendment raised the
                                              age limit to
                                              45, and February 1864, the limits were
                                              extended to
                                              range
                                              between 17 and 50.

                                              http://www.wtv-zone.com/civilwar/condraft.html

                                              --- On Fri, 4/8/11, JLH <hkatherinejohn@...> wrote:

                                              From: JLH <hkatherinejohn@...>
                                              Subject: RE: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files - John Holdridge
                                              To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                              Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 5:34 AM

                                               

                                              I knew A guy that was sixteen and was in Vietnam with me people forged birth

                                              certificates and sad to say some recruiters would help them. This young guy

                                              was big and mature for his age and I still talk to him today. He was a fine

                                              soldier. I was his platoon Sergeant

                                              John Hamilton

                                              _____

                                              From: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                              [mailto:jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clay Gullatt

                                              Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:46 PM

                                              To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                              Subject: RE: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files - John Holdridge

                                              Cindy

                                              I wonder why he was in the service anyway? He was way over the cut off of 35

                                              years for enlistment. I have the discharge papers of William Gullatt of

                                              Lincoln Parish LA who was discharged at age 37 for being too old. I have

                                              seen the discharge papers of many others who were either too old or under

                                              age.

                                              The regulations said free white male persons above the age of eighteen and

                                              under the age of 35 could enlist. Those under twenty-one must have the

                                              permission of the parent, guardian or master. Near the end of the war I

                                              think the enforement of this requlation was lax.

                                              Of course in the closing days of the war especially in Virginia they took

                                              just about every male who volunteered from white haired old men to beardless

                                              boys or as one historian wrote about the Battle of Petersburg "everyone from

                                              the grave to the cradle".

                                              The modern term for abdominal dropsy is aceites it can be cause by either

                                              liver disease or heart failure.

                                              Clay

                                              --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Cindy Smith <cindysmith9@...

                                              <mailto:cindysmith9%40hotmail.com> > wrote:

                                              > From: Cindy Smith <cindysmith9@...

                                              <mailto:cindysmith9%40hotmail.com> >

                                              > Subject: RE: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files (correct subject)

                                              > To: "Jackson Group" <jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                              <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com> >

                                              > Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 2:29 PM

                                              >

                                              > This page shows what I was able to find out by reading each

                                              > one of the images in John Holdridge's records at

                                              > Footnote.com

                                              http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~holdridge/military/holdrid

                                              gejohnprivate.html

                                              >

                                              > The images at footnote were more complete than the records

                                              > that my father received from NARA back in the 1980's. The

                                              > records from NARA did not include the discharge papers. That

                                              > was the most important paper, for that proved John was from

                                              > Lauren's County, SC.

                                              >

                                              > Cindy

                                              >

                                              >

                                              >

                                              > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                              <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>

                                              > From: blackcloud27030@... <mailto:blackcloud27030%40yahoo.com>

                                              > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:41:18 -0700

                                              > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files

                                              > (correct subject)

                                              >

                                              >

                                              >

                                              >

                                              >

                                              >

                                              >

                                              >

                                              > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...

                                              <mailto:blackcloud27030%40yahoo.com> >

                                              > wrote:

                                              >

                                              > From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...

                                              <mailto:blackcloud27030%40yahoo.com> >

                                              > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in

                                              > Jackson Co AL

                                              > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                              <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>

                                              > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 11:39 PM

                                              >

                                              >

                                              >

                                              > Roger

                                              >

                                              > What you are seeing at footnote.com is not the original

                                              > service records but what a copyist has extracted from the

                                              > original records. This could include from enlistment lists,

                                              > muster rolls, clothing rolls, hospital records, POW records

                                              > and many others. When you look down at the bottom of the

                                              > cards there usually is the name of the copyist. There are

                                              > scans of a few original records at footnote.com but not that

                                              > many. You have to remember that a lot of records were

                                              > destroyed during the war.

                                              >

                                              > I don't think that I have ever seen next of kin on any

                                              > Confederate enlistment papers of the hundreds of records I

                                              > have gone over. You are lucky if it lists where they

                                              > enlisted. The only times were I have seen next of kin listed

                                              > is where next of kin, usually parents or wives, claimed pay

                                              > that was due for those deceased. One of my Gullatt cousins

                                              > in GA lost all three of his sons and went to claim their pay

                                              > that was due.

                                              >

                                              > If you have some one who submitted a request for a pension

                                              > then there is a lot more info on them in the original files

                                              > which you would have to order, these records would be in the

                                              > state's pension files rather than at NARA or footnote.

                                              >

                                              > There probably is more info on the soldiers at NARA but

                                              > finding the records there is something else. There is a long

                                              > list of Confederate Service Files at NARA. Go to NARA NAIL

                                              > and enter confederate soldier service files in the search

                                              > engine. If there are records of your soldier at NARA you can

                                              > order copies of them. From what I saw as an example was the

                                              > same thing at footnote. You would probably get better info

                                              > from their pension file from the state.

                                              >

                                              > I believe others in this group have order pension files

                                              > from the state and service files from NARA, so they could

                                              > tell you exactly what they got.

                                              >

                                              > You can google NARA and then click on pre-1917 military

                                              > service records.

                                              >

                                              >

                                              > Clay

                                              >

                                              > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Roger Burbank <burby9@...

                                              <mailto:burby9%40yahoo.com> >

                                              > wrote:

                                              >

                                              > From: Roger Burbank <burby9@... <mailto:burby9%40yahoo.com> >

                                              > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in

                                              > Jackson Co AL

                                              > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                              <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>

                                              > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 9:53 PM

                                              >

                                              >

                                              >

                                              > Hi gang, I've found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the

                                              > Alabama site and National Archives. My question is

                                              > this> you would think you would find more info? I

                                              > found pay cards giving enlistment dates, pay, present or not

                                              > present. You would think you would find enlistment papers

                                              > with next of kin or family info with this info? or an a oath

                                              > to who ever you fought for. Any ideas. Thanks Roger ps

                                              > I have never found a pension statement for a confederate

                                              > soldier, has anyone else.

                                              >

                                              > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Mark Klan <mark@...

                                              <mailto:mark%40markabout.com> >

                                              > wrote:

                                              >

                                              > From: Mark Klan <mark@... <mailto:mark%40markabout.com> >

                                              > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in

                                              > Jackson Co AL

                                              > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                              <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>

                                              > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 5:43 PM

                                              >

                                              >

                                              >

                                              > The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this

                                              > email below is the "live" result of a database search

                                              (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm).

                                              > It won't work to view the output of someone else's search,

                                              > or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any

                                              > other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't

                                              > include the search terms in the link itself (unlike

                                              > Ancestry, for example). The database search function works

                                              > great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably

                                              > more that you wanted to know... :-)

                                              >

                                              > Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of

                                              > the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to

                                              > return to the original search screen and re-run the search

                                              > from scratch. Here's the correct link:

                                              > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm

                                              >

                                              > Hope this helps.

                                              >

                                              > Mark

                                              >

                                              > Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:

                                              > > This link is not working, but I will check into this

                                              > to see if either are my ggggrandfather

                                              > > Thank you

                                              > > Betty

                                              >

                                              > > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...

                                              <mailto:diamond6468%40mindspring.com> >

                                              > wrote:

                                              >

                                              > > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...

                                              <mailto:diamond6468%40mindspring.com> >

                                              > > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's

                                              > in Jackson Co AL

                                              > > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                              <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>

                                              > > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM

                                              >

                                              > > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed

                                              > > ----- Original Message -----

                                              > > From: Delilah

                                              > > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                              <mailto:jacksongenealogy%40yahoogroups.com>

                                              >

                                              > > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM

                                              > > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's

                                              > in Jackson Co AL

                                              >

                                              > > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on

                                              > their Civil War database:

                                              > > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

                                              >

                                              > > any idea if one of these is him?

                                              > > delilah

                                              >

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                                            • Karl Plenge
                                              FYI, I am turning up some useful information, but finding the search engine to be very disappointing and difficult to use. It doesn t seem to pay a lot of
                                              Message 22 of 29 , Apr 8, 2011
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                                                FYI, I am turning up some useful information, but finding the search engine
                                                to be very disappointing and difficult to use. It doesn't seem to pay a lot
                                                of attention to what you put into the blanks and brings up a lot of
                                                extraneous results - but in amongst them are some useful items.
                                              • Cindy Smith
                                                My theory was that gr gr gr grandma sent him to watch over their son John Henry Holdridge, drummer
                                                Message 23 of 29 , Apr 9, 2011
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                                                  My theory was that gr gr gr grandma sent him to watch over their son John Henry Holdridge, drummer http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~holdridge/military/holdridgejohndrummer.html , who joined in July 1861, at age 19, when the Hillabee Blues was formed. The unit had a rough first winter. The regiment had experienced the loss of many men due to illness while
                                                  they were camped in Evansport, Virginia on the Potomac during the
                                                  winter of 1861-1862. The men, being from the south, were not accustomed
                                                  to the cold climate. Finally they were ordered by the secretary of war
                                                  to Richmond, arriving January 3rd, 1862.

                                                  John Holdridge, the father http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~holdridge/military/holdridgejohnprivate.html, enlisted in February 1862.

                                                  To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com
                                                  From: blackcloud27030@...
                                                  Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:45:31 -0700
                                                  Subject: RE: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files - John Holdridge




























                                                  Cindy



                                                  I wonder why he was in the service anyway? He was way over the cut off of 35 years for enlistment. I have the discharge papers of William Gullatt of Lincoln Parish LA who was discharged at age 37 for being too old. I have seen the discharge papers of many others who were either too old or under age.



                                                  The regulations said free white male persons above the age of eighteen and under the age of 35 could enlist. Those under twenty-one must have the permission of the parent, guardian or master. Near the end of the war I think the enforement of this requlation was lax.



                                                  Of course in the closing days of the war especially in Virginia they took just about every male who volunteered from white haired old men to beardless boys or as one historian wrote about the Battle of Petersburg "everyone from the grave to the cradle".



                                                  The modern term for abdominal dropsy is aceites it can be cause by either liver disease or heart failure.



                                                  Clay



                                                  --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Cindy Smith <cindysmith9@...> wrote:



                                                  > From: Cindy Smith <cindysmith9@...>

                                                  > Subject: RE: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files (correct subject)

                                                  > To: "Jackson Group" <jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com>

                                                  > Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 2:29 PM

                                                  >

                                                  > This page shows what I was able to find out by reading each

                                                  > one of the images in John Holdridge's records at

                                                  > Footnote.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~holdridge/military/holdridgejohnprivate.html

                                                  >

                                                  > The images at footnote were more complete than the records

                                                  > that my father received from NARA back in the 1980's. The

                                                  > records from NARA did not include the discharge papers. That

                                                  > was the most important paper, for that proved John was from

                                                  > Lauren's County, SC.

                                                  >

                                                  > Cindy

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                                  > From: blackcloud27030@...

                                                  > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:41:18 -0700

                                                  > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Civil War Service Files

                                                  > (correct subject)

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>

                                                  > wrote:

                                                  >

                                                  > From: Clay Gullatt <blackcloud27030@...>

                                                  > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in

                                                  > Jackson Co AL

                                                  > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                                  > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 11:39 PM

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  > Roger

                                                  >

                                                  > What you are seeing at footnote.com is not the original

                                                  > service records but what a copyist has extracted from the

                                                  > original records. This could include from enlistment lists,

                                                  > muster rolls, clothing rolls, hospital records, POW records

                                                  > and many others. When you look down at the bottom of the

                                                  > cards there usually is the name of the copyist. There are

                                                  > scans of a few original records at footnote.com but not that

                                                  > many. You have to remember that a lot of records were

                                                  > destroyed during the war.

                                                  >

                                                  > I don't think that I have ever seen next of kin on any

                                                  > Confederate enlistment papers of the hundreds of records I

                                                  > have gone over. You are lucky if it lists where they

                                                  > enlisted. The only times were I have seen next of kin listed

                                                  > is where next of kin, usually parents or wives, claimed pay

                                                  > that was due for those deceased. One of my Gullatt cousins

                                                  > in GA lost all three of his sons and went to claim their pay

                                                  > that was due.

                                                  >

                                                  > If you have some one who submitted a request for a pension

                                                  > then there is a lot more info on them in the original files

                                                  > which you would have to order, these records would be in the

                                                  > state's pension files rather than at NARA or footnote.

                                                  >

                                                  > There probably is more info on the soldiers at NARA but

                                                  > finding the records there is something else. There is a long

                                                  > list of Confederate Service Files at NARA. Go to NARA NAIL

                                                  > and enter confederate soldier service files in the search

                                                  > engine. If there are records of your soldier at NARA you can

                                                  > order copies of them. From what I saw as an example was the

                                                  > same thing at footnote. You would probably get better info

                                                  > from their pension file from the state.

                                                  >

                                                  > I believe others in this group have order pension files

                                                  > from the state and service files from NARA, so they could

                                                  > tell you exactly what they got.

                                                  >

                                                  > You can google NARA and then click on pre-1917 military

                                                  > service records.

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  > Clay

                                                  >

                                                  > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Roger Burbank <burby9@...>

                                                  > wrote:

                                                  >

                                                  > From: Roger Burbank <burby9@...>

                                                  > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in

                                                  > Jackson Co AL

                                                  > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                                  > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 9:53 PM

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  > Hi gang, I've found my Mccutchens on footnote, ancestry the

                                                  > Alabama site and National Archives. My question is

                                                  > this> you would think you would find more info? I

                                                  > found pay cards giving enlistment dates, pay, present or not

                                                  > present. You would think you would find enlistment papers

                                                  > with next of kin or family info with this info? or an a oath

                                                  > to who ever you fought for. Any ideas. Thanks Roger ps

                                                  > I have never found a pension statement for a confederate

                                                  > soldier, has anyone else.

                                                  >

                                                  > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Mark Klan <mark@...>

                                                  > wrote:

                                                  >

                                                  > From: Mark Klan <mark@...>

                                                  > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's in

                                                  > Jackson Co AL

                                                  > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                                  > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 5:43 PM

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  >

                                                  > The Alabama Archives link posted toward the bottom of this

                                                  > email below is the "live" result of a database search (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm).

                                                  > It won't work to view the output of someone else's search,

                                                  > or as a bookmark for your own search results, or for any

                                                  > other useful purpose because the Alabama archives doesn't

                                                  > include the search terms in the link itself (unlike

                                                  > Ancestry, for example). The database search function works

                                                  > great, but the web implementation is rather weak. Probably

                                                  > more that you wanted to know... :-)

                                                  >

                                                  > Anyway, if you ever want to see the results of a search of

                                                  > the Alabama Archives Civil War database, you always have to

                                                  > return to the original search screen and re-run the search

                                                  > from scratch. Here's the correct link:

                                                  > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/search.cfm

                                                  >

                                                  > Hope this helps.

                                                  >

                                                  > Mark

                                                  >

                                                  > Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:

                                                  > > This link is not working, but I will check into this

                                                  > to see if either are my ggggrandfather

                                                  > > Thank you

                                                  > > Betty

                                                  >

                                                  > > --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Delilah <diamond6468@...>

                                                  > wrote:

                                                  >

                                                  > > From: Delilah <diamond6468@...>

                                                  > > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's

                                                  > in Jackson Co AL

                                                  > > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                                  > > Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:48 AM

                                                  >

                                                  > > There are 2 John W. FRANKLIN listed

                                                  > > ----- Original Message -----

                                                  > > From: Delilah

                                                  > > To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com

                                                  >

                                                  > > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:45 AM

                                                  > > Subject: Re: [jacksongenealogy] Schools in the 1870's

                                                  > in Jackson Co AL

                                                  >

                                                  > > The Alabama Archives has several John FRANKLIN on

                                                  > their Civil War database:

                                                  > > http://www.archives.alabama.gov/civilwar/results.cfm

                                                  >

                                                  > > any idea if one of these is him?

                                                  > > delilah

                                                  >

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