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320RE: [j4x-owners-group] Re: High tech sails

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  • William Stellin
    Dec 27, 2010
      My new genoa  Doyle describes as : 155% AP #1 LPT fiberlay, kevlar mylar laminate with carbon fiber load path tapes.  The price was a little lower than the same sail size and construction from UK Halsey and quite a bit lower than from Quantum.
      I chose Doyle because I know the sailmaker who used to be the owner of the UK loft in Detroit where we bought our first suit of sails back in 1996. (We've had new mains and genoa's from other since then as well).

      Have you or others had any trouble with the paint peeling from the Bomar portlight window frames.  Some of mine have peeled badly and others are fine.   This year we are storing inside heated and I have removed all the cabin windows, stripped them and I am having them AllGriped.  In stripping them, I found half, the ones whose paint failed, had no etch primer applied to the raw aluminum before they were powder coated.  Also on those, the paint came off very easy.  On the other half, after stripping them I found etc primer and the paint was very hard to remove with stripper.   I called Bomar and wondered if they would re paint them for me if I paid shipping both ways.  They told me in no uncertain terms it was not their problem and no they would not help in any way, even if I paid for the paint, labor and shipping.   Basically, I got the "go to h---" treatment.  There is no question, some of the windows were not painted correctly, but Bomar would not own up to it.  I know it was years ago, but the failure started years ago as well.  I have just been touching them up until even that would not work any longer and I was in a spot that had inside heated storage so I could do the job right.
      Bill Stellin    Jaywalker hull # 6

      To: j4x-owners-group@yahoogroups.com
      From: cdsail@...
      Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:40:23 +0000
      Subject: [j4x-owners-group] Re: High tech sails

      I have quotes for genoa from doyle, UK and Quantum on their (each has a slightly different name) Doyle Stratis Quicksilver (GPC), Fusion MX Poly Double Taffeta and similar from UK. Doyle and UK were ~ 25% higher with a discount from Quantum. Was your pricing pretty close from all? I was planning to call Evolution (i think that is Halsey now) also but the sailmaker is in Mystic so I am hestitant to have the sailmaker that far.

      Also, I see that you selected at 155% vs 140%. do you use a furling 155%?

      Thanks, a little early to think about but I have an # of things to upgrade for this season.


      --- In j4x-owners-group@yahoogroups.com, William Stellin <wstellin@...> wrote:
      > I have just ordered a new main and a 155% genoa, both from Doyle Sails. They are Mylar/Kevlar with carbon tapes. I will race with these sails and cruise with our present sails. Both new sails will be built to the full PERF allowances. I got quotes from UK
      > Halsey and Quantum. Doyle got the nod due to experience of the actual guy in Detroit who will build the sails and their price which was much better than the others. Comparisons were made using the same materials (Mylar Kevlar carbon) and same features.
      > Bill Stellin
      > Jaywalker
      > Sent from my iPod
      > On Oct 1, 2010, at 4:27 PM, "wayne.cassady" <wcassady@...> wrote:
      > > We have a J40 with a Dacron main and a Norlam 155%. They and our other dacron headsails are in good shape but I am starting to look into getting some lighter weight racing sails for the boat. May go new or used if that choice could be made to work. We've almost always gone with North but I am looking for all advice on good sailmaker experiences and sail materials. Also wondering if used J42 sails can be suited down to a J40. Thanks for any advice.
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