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Re: [iranzaminmusic] Maktabe ostad Nourali Boroomand be ghalame stad Shajarian(lotafan bekhoonid)

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  • zaagato sepharial
    ya hagh: albatte man khodam daghigh`an ettela`i az hazine`ye kelas haye asatid nadaram,har chand in mas`aleye gheymat haye bala ra man ham shenide`am...inke
    Message 1 of 12 , Jul 1, 2004
      ya hagh:
        albatte man khodam daghigh`an ettela`i az hazine`ye kelas haye asatid nadaram,har chand in mas`aleye gheymat haye bala ra man ham shenide`am...inke migooyid in gheymat ha nemitavanad baraye joda-sazi nokhbe ha bashad va in mozo bi-rabt ast ham dorost,vali be in mas`ale ham tavajjo bayad kard ke avvalan bahre-giri az gohare nabi ke asatide honar (va har reshte`ye digari) sal ha baraye bedast avordan an zahmat keshide`and,ensafan nabayad be hamin rahati ha bashad(in mozo yek bahse kolli bood) vali chizi ke sababe negareshe in matn shod in bood ke fekr nakonam kasi ba etminan betavanad begooyad ke hamaye asatid, mabaleghi ke onvan mishavad ra tamam va kamal daryaft mikonand...man dar morede hame`ye asatid chon ettela`e chandani nadaram nemitavanam be ghat`e begooyam vali dar morede ostad shajarian dar hamin tabrize khodeman kasi ra mishnasam ke vaz`e mali`ye chandan mosa`edi nadarad;hatta bavar nemikonid agar begooyam  (ba arze maa`zerat) dar  morde-shoor khane`ye yeki z ghabrestan ha kar mikonad vali ba in hal chand sali shagerdi`ye ostad ra karde!! fekr nakonam in shakhs hatta agar hame`ye dar-amadash ra ham pas-andaz mikard,mitavaneste az ohde`ye mabaleghi ke bazi jaha onvan mishavad bar-ayad..
        vallaho aa`lamo.
       
       
      /zaagato/

      Behrouz Touri <btouri@...> wrote:
       Salaam !
       
       Man az kelaas_haaie ishaan khabar nadaaram, ammaa taa unjaii ke midunam besyaari az asaatid gheymate kelaaas_haashun ro besyaar baalaa migirand, ke man nemidunam ellatesh chie? Motma'ennan ellatesh gozinesh nist, chon ke pul che rabti daare be salaahiiat??????? Kaashki mishod ke in bozorgaan, kelaas_haashun ro behtar va haabele datrasi_e hamegaan mikardand...
       
       Movaffagh va Pirouz baashid

      ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
      salam
      albate man az gheymate kelashaye ostad khabar nadaram va goman ham namikonam ke eishan  kelashaye monazami dashte bashand alave bar inke man yad nadaram eishan aslan be mobtadian dars dadeh bashand.amma agar kelase avaze eishan ,geran ast,hagh ba shomast va nabayad ingooneh bashad va man ham be i nkar enteghad daram.amma be nazare man behtar inast ke afrad ebteda moghadamate avaz ra nazde shagerdane matrahe ostad tey konand va baraye takmil va doreye aali nazde shajarian beravand.
      eradatmand_pedram
       
      ba salam va tashkor az pedrame aziz bekhatere maile khoobeshoon
      haghighatesh in maile shoma bahaneiee shod ke man ye harfio ke modatie mikham too grooh
      matrah konam begam oonam ine ke hich shaki nist ke ostad shajarian khodavandegar avaz iran
      zamin va shargh hastand va martabeie besiar balaee io darand ama baraye man ajibe ostad shajarian
      vaghty too zendegishoon olgoohaee mesle ostad boroomand dashtan ve behagh shivehaie avazio be khoobi
      fara gereftan chera bazi az maneshhaie in asatido be kar nemibarand masalan kelashaie ostad
      shajarian beghadry geroone ke faghat ye tedade kheily andak mitoonan az oon estefade konan
      khob hala taklife baghieie javanani ke vaghean be in honar alaghe daran chie magar ostad
      shajarian nemikhan in moosighy zende bemoone pas chera kami raho baraye javoona hamvar nemikonan
      albate sabeghan ostad ba javoona bishtar kar mikardan ama moteasefane be har dalily in ertebatat
      ham ghat shode shoma ham mesle man ghabool darid ke avaze iran nabaiad faghat be chand nafar
      mesle homayoun shajarian va...(ke man kheily beheshoon alaghe daram albate) kholase beshe
      ostad shajarian baiad bedoonan ke beonvane pedare avaze iran farzandane bishtary darand na faghat
      homayoun!!!!!!!!!
      ba tashakor

      ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
      salam
      in ham ghesmate dovom , agar hajme in filha ziad ast ya keyfyatash bad ast ,be bozorgvari khodetan bebakhshid. choon eskaner faghat dar abade A4  eskan mikonad , sarhab bandi va tanzim be hamin shekli ke mibinid ham vaghean vaghtgir bood . boresh zadan va chidane in  matn ,be tori ke hajme kamtari begirad ,shayad 1 rooz vaght lazem dashte bashad ke az hoseleye man kharej ast .omidvaram be hamin soorat morede ghabool vagheh shavad.
      eradatmand_pedram




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    • reza
      ba salam man vaghean az sohbathaie in dooste aziz(zaagato)taajob mikonam ,ishoon farmoodan baiad ghabool konim chon asatid salha baraye honareshoon zahmat
      Message 2 of 12 , Jul 3, 2004
        ba salam
        man vaghean az sohbathaie in dooste aziz(zaagato)taajob mikonam ,ishoon
        farmoodan baiad ghabool konim chon asatid salha baraye honareshoon zahmat keshidand
        hala baiad gheimate kelase khodra bala bebaran in kar vaghean eine biarzesh
        kardane honar ast(yani gheimat gozashtan rooie yek kare honary)az tarafy
        man gofte boodam sabeghan afrady mesle ostad shajarian kheily bishtar ba
        javanan kar mikardand hamoontory ke shoma mesal zadid hala man miporsam
        aya dar oon zaman honar ishoon bi arzesh bood ama hala ke dastyaby be kelase
        ishoon va saiere asatid mesle roya shode (hatta baraye afrady ke mobtady nistand)
        honareshoon arzeshmand shode??????!!!!!!!!!!
        moteasefane ye santimantalism dar tamame shakhehaye ejtemae ma vared shode
        ke moosighye sonaty ham az share oon dar aman namoonde be nazare bandeie haghir asl
        baiad bar estedad alaghe va poshtekar honarjoo gozashte beshe na hesab bankish
        ba tashakor

        zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
        ya hagh:
          albatte man khodam daghigh`an ettela`i az hazine`ye kelas haye asatid nadaram,har chand in mas`aleye gheymat haye bala ra man ham shenide`am...inke migooyid in gheymat ha nemitavanad baraye joda-sazi nokhbe ha bashad va in mozo bi-rabt ast ham dorost,vali be in mas`ale ham tavajjo bayad kard ke avvalan bahre-giri az gohare nabi ke asatide honar (va har reshte`ye digari) sal ha baraye bedast avordan an zahmat keshide`and,ensafan nabayad be hamin rahati ha bashad(in mozo yek bahse kolli bood) vali chizi ke sababe negareshe in matn shod in bood ke fekr nakonam kasi ba etminan betavanad begooyad ke hamaye asatid, mabaleghi ke onvan mishavad ra tamam va kamal daryaft mikonand...man dar morede hame`ye asatid chon ettela`e chandani nadaram nemitavanam be ghat`e begooyam vali dar morede ostad shajarian dar hamin tabrize khodeman kasi ra mishnasam ke vaz`e mali`ye chandan mosa`edi nadarad;hatta bavar nemikonid agar begooyam  (ba arze maa`zerat) dar  morde-shoor khane`ye yeki z ghabrestan ha kar mikonad vali ba in hal chand sali shagerdi`ye ostad ra karde!! fekr nakonam in shakhs hatta agar hame`ye dar-amadash ra ham pas-andaz mikard,mitavaneste az ohde`ye mabaleghi ke bazi jaha onvan mishavad bar-ayad..
          vallaho aa`lamo.
         
         
        /zaagato/

        Behrouz Touri <btouri@...> wrote:
         Salaam !
         
         Man az kelaas_haaie ishaan khabar nadaaram, ammaa taa unjaii ke midunam besyaari az asaatid gheymate kelaaas_haashun ro besyaar baalaa migirand, ke man nemidunam ellatesh chie? Motma'ennan ellatesh gozinesh nist, chon ke pul che rabti daare be salaahiiat??????? Kaashki mishod ke in bozorgaan, kelaas_haashun ro behtar va haabele datrasi_e hamegaan mikardand...
         
         Movaffagh va Pirouz baashid

        ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
        salam
        albate man az gheymate kelashaye ostad khabar nadaram va goman ham namikonam ke eishan  kelashaye monazami dashte bashand alave bar inke man yad nadaram eishan aslan be mobtadian dars dadeh bashand.amma agar kelase avaze eishan ,geran ast,hagh ba shomast va nabayad ingooneh bashad va man ham be i nkar enteghad daram.amma be nazare man behtar inast ke afrad ebteda moghadamate avaz ra nazde shagerdane matrahe ostad tey konand va baraye takmil va doreye aali nazde shajarian beravand.
        eradatmand_pedram
         
        ba salam va tashkor az pedrame aziz bekhatere maile khoobeshoon
        haghighatesh in maile shoma bahaneiee shod ke man ye harfio ke modatie mikham too grooh
        matrah konam begam oonam ine ke hich shaki nist ke ostad shajarian khodavandegar avaz iran
        zamin va shargh hastand va martabeie besiar balaee io darand ama baraye man ajibe ostad shajarian
        vaghty too zendegishoon olgoohaee mesle ostad boroomand dashtan ve behagh shivehaie avazio be khoobi
        fara gereftan chera bazi az maneshhaie in asatido be kar nemibarand masalan kelashaie ostad
        shajarian beghadry geroone ke faghat ye tedade kheily andak mitoonan az oon estefade konan
        khob hala taklife baghieie javanani ke vaghean be in honar alaghe daran chie magar ostad
        shajarian nemikhan in moosighy zende bemoone pas chera kami raho baraye javoona hamvar nemikonan
        albate sabeghan ostad ba javoona bishtar kar mikardan ama moteasefane be har dalily in ertebatat
        ham ghat shode shoma ham mesle man ghabool darid ke avaze iran nabaiad faghat be chand nafar
        mesle homayoun shajarian va...(ke man kheily beheshoon alaghe daram albate) kholase beshe
        ostad shajarian baiad bedoonan ke beonvane pedare avaze iran farzandane bishtary darand na faghat
        homayoun!!!!!!!!!
        ba tashakor

        ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
        salam
        in ham ghesmate dovom , agar hajme in filha ziad ast ya keyfyatash bad ast ,be bozorgvari khodetan bebakhshid. choon eskaner faghat dar abade A4  eskan mikonad , sarhab bandi va tanzim be hamin shekli ke mibinid ham vaghean vaghtgir bood . boresh zadan va chidane in  matn ,be tori ke hajme kamtari begirad ,shayad 1 rooz vaght lazem dashte bashad ke az hoseleye man kharej ast .omidvaram be hamin soorat morede ghabool vagheh shavad.
        eradatmand_pedram




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      • sadjad pourghannad
        salam dooste aziz khodetoon boridino dookhtino....!! ki gofte classhaie shajarian bargozar mishe ke aslan geroon bashe ia arzoon ia aslan majjani!!! shoma
        Message 3 of 12 , Jul 3, 2004
          salam
          dooste aziz khodetoon boridino dookhtino....!!
          ki gofte classhaie shajarian bargozar mishe ke aslan geroon bashe ia arzoon ia aslan majjani!!!
          shoma befarmaeed classhaie shajarian koja bar gozar mishe va gheimatesh cheghadr hast??
          in etela'at ro az koodoom manba' zekr mikonid?
          man ba chand ta az shagerdhaie aghaie shajarian barkhord dashtam hamegi monkere bargozarie clas -ha shodan!
          hala fekr mikonid shajarian ba vojoode dashtane bagho mazra'e va bargozarie concert va forooshe navar baz ham mohtaje poole shagerd hast?


          reza <reza_p2573@...> wrote:
          ba salam
          man vaghean az sohbathaie in dooste aziz(zaagato)taajob mikonam ,ishoon
          farmoodan baiad ghabool konim chon asatid salha baraye honareshoon zahmat keshidand
          hala baiad gheimate kelase khodra bala bebaran in kar vaghean eine biarzesh
          kardane honar ast(yani gheimat gozashtan rooie yek kare honary)az tarafy
          man gofte boodam sabeghan afrady mesle ostad shajarian kheily bishtar ba
          javanan kar mikardand hamoontory ke shoma mesal zadid hala man miporsam
          aya dar oon zaman honar ishoon bi arzesh bood ama hala ke dastyaby be kelase
          ishoon va saiere asatid mesle roya shode (hatta baraye afrady ke mobtady nistand)
          honareshoon arzeshmand shode??????!!!!!!!!!!
          moteasefane ye santimantalism dar tamame shakhehaye ejtemae ma vared shode
          ke moosighye sonaty ham az share oon dar aman namoonde be nazare bandeie haghir asl
          baiad bar estedad alaghe va poshtekar honarjoo gozashte beshe na hesab bankish
          ba tashakor

          zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
          ya hagh:
            albatte man khodam daghigh`an ettela`i az hazine`ye kelas haye asatid nadaram,har chand in mas`aleye gheymat haye bala ra man ham shenide`am...inke migooyid in gheymat ha nemitavanad baraye joda-sazi nokhbe ha bashad va in mozo bi-rabt ast ham dorost,vali be in mas`ale ham tavajjo bayad kard ke avvalan bahre-giri az gohare nabi ke asatide honar (va har reshte`ye digari) sal ha baraye bedast avordan an zahmat keshide`and,ensafan nabayad be hamin rahati ha bashad(in mozo yek bahse kolli bood) vali chizi ke sababe negareshe in matn shod in bood ke fekr nakonam kasi ba etminan betavanad begooyad ke hamaye asatid, mabaleghi ke onvan mishavad ra tamam va kamal daryaft mikonand...man dar morede hame`ye asatid chon ettela`e chandani nadaram nemitavanam be ghat`e begooyam vali dar morede ostad shajarian dar hamin tabrize khodeman kasi ra mishnasam ke vaz`e mali`ye chandan mosa`edi nadarad;hatta bavar nemikonid agar begooyam  (ba arze maa`zerat) dar  morde-shoor khane`ye yeki z ghabrestan ha kar mikonad vali ba in hal chand sali shagerdi`ye ostad ra karde!! fekr nakonam in shakhs hatta agar hame`ye dar-amadash ra ham pas-andaz mikard,mitavaneste az ohde`ye mabaleghi ke bazi jaha onvan mishavad bar-ayad..
            vallaho aa`lamo.
           
           
          /zaagato/

          Behrouz Touri <btouri@...> wrote:
           Salaam !
           
           Man az kelaas_haaie ishaan khabar nadaaram, ammaa taa unjaii ke midunam besyaari az asaatid gheymate kelaaas_haashun ro besyaar baalaa migirand, ke man nemidunam ellatesh chie? Motma'ennan ellatesh gozinesh nist, chon ke pul che rabti daare be salaahiiat??????? Kaashki mishod ke in bozorgaan, kelaas_haashun ro behtar va haabele datrasi_e hamegaan mikardand...
           
           Movaffagh va Pirouz baashid

          ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
          salam
          albate man az gheymate kelashaye ostad khabar nadaram va goman ham namikonam ke eishan  kelashaye monazami dashte bashand alave bar inke man yad nadaram eishan aslan be mobtadian dars dadeh bashand.amma agar kelase avaze eishan ,geran ast,hagh ba shomast va nabayad ingooneh bashad va man ham be i nkar enteghad daram.amma be nazare man behtar inast ke afrad ebteda moghadamate avaz ra nazde shagerdane matrahe ostad tey konand va baraye takmil va doreye aali nazde shajarian beravand.
          eradatmand_pedram
           
          ba salam va tashkor az pedrame aziz bekhatere maile khoobeshoon
          haghighatesh in maile shoma bahaneiee shod ke man ye harfio ke modatie mikham too grooh
          matrah konam begam oonam ine ke hich shaki nist ke ostad shajarian khodavandegar avaz iran
          zamin va shargh hastand va martabeie besiar balaee io darand ama baraye man ajibe ostad shajarian
          vaghty too zendegishoon olgoohaee mesle ostad boroomand dashtan ve behagh shivehaie avazio be khoobi
          fara gereftan chera bazi az maneshhaie in asatido be kar nemibarand masalan kelashaie ostad
          shajarian beghadry geroone ke faghat ye tedade kheily andak mitoonan az oon estefade konan
          khob hala taklife baghieie javanani ke vaghean be in honar alaghe daran chie magar ostad
          shajarian nemikhan in moosighy zende bemoone pas chera kami raho baraye javoona hamvar nemikonan
          albate sabeghan ostad ba javoona bishtar kar mikardan ama moteasefane be har dalily in ertebatat
          ham ghat shode shoma ham mesle man ghabool darid ke avaze iran nabaiad faghat be chand nafar
          mesle homayoun shajarian va...(ke man kheily beheshoon alaghe daram albate) kholase beshe
          ostad shajarian baiad bedoonan ke beonvane pedare avaze iran farzandane bishtary darand na faghat
          homayoun!!!!!!!!!
          ba tashakor

          ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
          salam
          in ham ghesmate dovom , agar hajme in filha ziad ast ya keyfyatash bad ast ,be bozorgvari khodetan bebakhshid. choon eskaner faghat dar abade A4  eskan mikonad , sarhab bandi va tanzim be hamin shekli ke mibinid ham vaghean vaghtgir bood . boresh zadan va chidane in  matn ,be tori ke hajme kamtari begirad ,shayad 1 rooz vaght lazem dashte bashad ke az hoseleye man kharej ast .omidvaram be hamin soorat morede ghabool vagheh shavad.
          eradatmand_pedram




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        • zaagato sepharial
          ya hagh: dooste aziz man nagoftam in kar ravast...hatta daste man bashe migam aslan pool-gereftan baraye honar---kollan ma`naviat---harame ! manzooram in bood
          Message 4 of 12 , Jul 3, 2004
            ya hagh:
               dooste aziz man nagoftam in kar ravast...hatta daste man bashe migam aslan pool-gereftan baraye honar---kollan ma`naviat---harame ! manzooram in bood ke be khatere honari ke an ostade mafrooz dare,va be khatere inke inja irane va  keshvari mesle england ya america ya italia ya har jaye digari ke fekresh ra bekonid nist ,ke asatidi mesle yahudi menohin ya luciano pavaroti va... ( kollan honar va honarmand) an-ghadr arj va ghorb darand ke dolat[ke poole mellat dasteshe va hamcho iran ono sarfe karhaye bi-bonyade khodesh nemikone]
            heme-gone azashon hemayete maddi va ma`navi (fe`lan mozo bahse ma bar sare maddiyat hast!) mikone ta oon ostad dige majoboor nabashe ta vaghti joonesh dar biad kar kone, va vaghti be senne khassi resid khodesho bazneshaste mikone(chon dige har kari ke mitooneste karde)...khob in ostadi ke to irane  va hich hemayati ham azash nemishe va kolle omresh ro gozashte vase yad gereftan va enteghale  in honar va ehtemalan manb`e dar-amade digari ham nadare(va nemitoone dashte bashe),che joor zendegish ro becharkhone?? khodetoon ham hatman ghabool darid ke mashgh dadan be shagerdan be-ghole maa`roof az ghodrate panje kam mikone..( 1 mesale tarikhi:ostade bi-badile tar;mirza husseingholi ke chand roooz ghabl az ejraye barname baraye omoom be kasi dars nemidad) va mibinim ke asatide bozorg shagerdane ziadi nadarand,,ke anha ham har kodam  khodeshan salha kar karde`and...[[mesale barez ostad alizade ke agar eshtebah nakonam kheyli vaghte aslan dars nemidan va ma`moolan ba shagerda haye ghadimishon jam mishan,ya ostad pirniakan mahi 1bar be tabriz baraye tadris miayad  ke taghriban nesfe(bishtar)  shagerdane kelas-hashon az asatide amoozesh-gah-haye tabriz and...ya chand vaght pish ke ostad lotfi be tehran amade boodand va jam`e ziadi az asatide amoozesh-gah haye shahr haye mokhtalef baraye bahre-giri az ishan jam shode boodand(begzarim az inke ostad lotfi hamoon rooze avval goftand hich-kodam yek mezrabe dorost balad nistand bezanand va bayad az sefr shoro konand!!!)]] hala ba tavajjoh be in mas`ale in ostade aziz 3rah dare : ya kollan gheyde honar(be ma`naye vaghe`i kalame) ro bezane ve be har ki az dar amad to dars bede va pooli ro begire ke to amoozesh-gah haye zeperti ham hamoon polo migirand!! ya be te`dade maa`doodi ke chizi bareshone dars bede vali gheymat ro bebare bala... ya ham(baz majbooram yek mesal bezanam) majboore alaraghme panje`ye binaziri ke dare,va hame vasash va vase honaresh ghashsh`o zaf miran,baraye hefze abroo hafte`i 3rooz bere to yek shahre dige mosafer-keshi kone!!! ( ini ke goftam mota`assefane eyne vaghe`iyate)be nazare shoma kodam rah adelanetare??
             
              ba har hal nazare man in bood..agar narahatetan kardam ozr mikham.dobare ta`kid mikonam in nazar dar-bare`ye ellate gerani`ye kelas haye asatid bood va na shive`i ke man khod mipasandam.hamantoor ke goftam man razi nistam hatta 1rial ham dar-amad az rahe honar kasb beshe  va be hamin khater baraye inke dar ayande az gorosnegi namiram!(chon an-vaght margam va hatta zendegim kheyli bi-ma`ni mishe) chizi ke az sobh ta shab to zehnam migzare fe`lan dar oolaviyate chandom gharar begire.
             
              mota`assefane ya khoshbakhtane,hame`ye ma kheyli arman-gara bar amadim!
              zemnan az hame bekhater inke matn boland shod va majboor shodam ziad az ( ) estefade konam kheyli kheyli ma`zerat mikham.
             
                     abul hassan khane saba: kasi ke az sarmye`ye kafi barkhordar nist nabayad be donbale honar bere,chon honar zehne azadi mikhad ke dar gheyde chegoonegi`ye dar avardane nanae shab sar`o hamsar nabashe.
             man ham vaghti baraye avvalin bar in harf ro shenidam,shakh dar avordam!!....oon moghe hanooz varede zendegi nashode boodam.
            //vassalam//
             /zaagato/
            reza <reza_p2573@...> wrote:
            ba salam
            man vaghean az sohbathaie in dooste aziz(zaagato)taajob mikonam ,ishoon
            farmoodan baiad ghabool konim chon asatid salha baraye honareshoon zahmat keshidand
            hala baiad gheimate kelase khodra bala bebaran in kar vaghean eine biarzesh
            kardane honar ast(yani gheimat gozashtan rooie yek kare honary)az tarafy
            man gofte boodam sabeghan afrady mesle ostad shajarian kheily bishtar ba
            javanan kar mikardand hamoontory ke shoma mesal zadid hala man miporsam
            aya dar oon zaman honar ishoon bi arzesh bood ama hala ke dastyaby be kelase
            ishoon va saiere asatid mesle roya shode (hatta baraye afrady ke mobtady nistand)
            honareshoon arzeshmand shode??????!!!!!!!!!!
            moteasefane ye santimantalism dar tamame shakhehaye ejtemae ma vared shode
            ke moosighye sonaty ham az share oon dar aman namoonde be nazare bandeie haghir asl
            baiad bar estedad alaghe va poshtekar honarjoo gozashte beshe na hesab bankish
            ba tashakor

            zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
            ya hagh:
              albatte man khodam daghigh`an ettela`i az hazine`ye kelas haye asatid nadaram,har chand in mas`aleye gheymat haye bala ra man ham shenide`am...inke migooyid in gheymat ha nemitavanad baraye joda-sazi nokhbe ha bashad va in mozo bi-rabt ast ham dorost,vali be in mas`ale ham tavajjo bayad kard ke avvalan bahre-giri az gohare nabi ke asatide honar (va har reshte`ye digari) sal ha baraye bedast avordan an zahmat keshide`and,ensafan nabayad be hamin rahati ha bashad(in mozo yek bahse kolli bood) vali chizi ke sababe negareshe in matn shod in bood ke fekr nakonam kasi ba etminan betavanad begooyad ke hamaye asatid, mabaleghi ke onvan mishavad ra tamam va kamal daryaft mikonand...man dar morede hame`ye asatid chon ettela`e chandani nadaram nemitavanam be ghat`e begooyam vali dar morede ostad shajarian dar hamin tabrize khodeman kasi ra mishnasam ke vaz`e mali`ye chandan mosa`edi nadarad;hatta bavar nemikonid agar begooyam  (ba arze maa`zerat) dar  morde-shoor khane`ye yeki z ghabrestan ha kar mikonad vali ba in hal chand sali shagerdi`ye ostad ra karde!! fekr nakonam in shakhs hatta agar hame`ye dar-amadash ra ham pas-andaz mikard,mitavaneste az ohde`ye mabaleghi ke bazi jaha onvan mishavad bar-ayad..
              vallaho aa`lamo.
             
             
            /zaagato/

            Behrouz Touri <btouri@...> wrote:
             Salaam !
             
             Man az kelaas_haaie ishaan khabar nadaaram, ammaa taa unjaii ke midunam besyaari az asaatid gheymate kelaaas_haashun ro besyaar baalaa migirand, ke man nemidunam ellatesh chie? Motma'ennan ellatesh gozinesh nist, chon ke pul che rabti daare be salaahiiat??????? Kaashki mishod ke in bozorgaan, kelaas_haashun ro behtar va haabele datrasi_e hamegaan mikardand...
             
             Movaffagh va Pirouz baashid

            ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
            salam
            albate man az gheymate kelashaye ostad khabar nadaram va goman ham namikonam ke eishan  kelashaye monazami dashte bashand alave bar inke man yad nadaram eishan aslan be mobtadian dars dadeh bashand.amma agar kelase avaze eishan ,geran ast,hagh ba shomast va nabayad ingooneh bashad va man ham be i nkar enteghad daram.amma be nazare man behtar inast ke afrad ebteda moghadamate avaz ra nazde shagerdane matrahe ostad tey konand va baraye takmil va doreye aali nazde shajarian beravand.
            eradatmand_pedram
             
            ba salam va tashkor az pedrame aziz bekhatere maile khoobeshoon
            haghighatesh in maile shoma bahaneiee shod ke man ye harfio ke modatie mikham too grooh
            matrah konam begam oonam ine ke hich shaki nist ke ostad shajarian khodavandegar avaz iran
            zamin va shargh hastand va martabeie besiar balaee io darand ama baraye man ajibe ostad shajarian
            vaghty too zendegishoon olgoohaee mesle ostad boroomand dashtan ve behagh shivehaie avazio be khoobi
            fara gereftan chera bazi az maneshhaie in asatido be kar nemibarand masalan kelashaie ostad
            shajarian beghadry geroone ke faghat ye tedade kheily andak mitoonan az oon estefade konan
            khob hala taklife baghieie javanani ke vaghean be in honar alaghe daran chie magar ostad
            shajarian nemikhan in moosighy zende bemoone pas chera kami raho baraye javoona hamvar nemikonan
            albate sabeghan ostad ba javoona bishtar kar mikardan ama moteasefane be har dalily in ertebatat
            ham ghat shode shoma ham mesle man ghabool darid ke avaze iran nabaiad faghat be chand nafar
            mesle homayoun shajarian va...(ke man kheily beheshoon alaghe daram albate) kholase beshe
            ostad shajarian baiad bedoonan ke beonvane pedare avaze iran farzandane bishtary darand na faghat
            homayoun!!!!!!!!!
            ba tashakor

            ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
            salam
            in ham ghesmate dovom , agar hajme in filha ziad ast ya keyfyatash bad ast ,be bozorgvari khodetan bebakhshid. choon eskaner faghat dar abade A4  eskan mikonad , sarhab bandi va tanzim be hamin shekli ke mibinid ham vaghean vaghtgir bood . boresh zadan va chidane in  matn ,be tori ke hajme kamtari begirad ,shayad 1 rooz vaght lazem dashte bashad ke az hoseleye man kharej ast .omidvaram be hamin soorat morede ghabool vagheh shavad.
            eradatmand_pedram




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          • ayaz razmjooyi
            salam man hadafam az eskan kardan va ferestadan in matlab,eraeye bahshaye mofid va asasi bood amma motasefaneh aslan namidanam chand nafar in matlab ra
            Message 5 of 12 , Jul 3, 2004
              salam
              man hadafam az eskan kardan va ferestadan in matlab,eraeye bahshaye mofid va asasi bood amma motasefaneh aslan namidanam chand nafar in matlab ra khandand .choon aslan in bahse geran boodan va ....hich ertebati be" Maktabe Nooraai Brroumand be ghalame Shajarian" nadarad !!!.
              pas lotfan az eraeye in mozoo zeyle in Titr khod'dari konid va agar ham mikhahid in bahs ra hamchenan edameh dahid, laghal Titri entekhab konid ke be mozoo tanasobi dashte bashad.
              man che entezari dashtam amma chi shod !!!

              zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
              ya hagh:
                 dooste aziz man nagoftam in kar ravast...hatta daste man bashe migam aslan pool-gereftan baraye honar---kollan ma`naviat---harame ! manzooram in bood ke be khatere honari ke an ostade mafrooz dare,va be khatere inke inja irane va  keshvari mesle england ya america ya italia ya har jaye digari ke fekresh ra bekonid nist ,ke asatidi mesle yahudi menohin ya luciano pavaroti va... ( kollan honar va honarmand) an-ghadr arj va ghorb darand ke dolat[ke poole mellat dasteshe va hamcho iran ono sarfe karhaye bi-bonyade khodesh nemikone]
              heme-gone azashon hemayete maddi va ma`navi (fe`lan mozo bahse ma bar sare maddiyat hast!) mikone ta oon ostad dige majoboor nabashe ta vaghti joonesh dar biad kar kone, va vaghti be senne khassi resid khodesho bazneshaste mikone(chon dige har kari ke mitooneste karde)...khob in ostadi ke to irane  va hich hemayati ham azash nemishe va kolle omresh ro gozashte vase yad gereftan va enteghale  in honar va ehtemalan manb`e dar-amade digari ham nadare(va nemitoone dashte bashe),che joor zendegish ro becharkhone?? khodetoon ham hatman ghabool darid ke mashgh dadan be shagerdan be-ghole maa`roof az ghodrate panje kam mikone..( 1 mesale tarikhi:ostade bi-badile tar;mirza husseingholi ke chand roooz ghabl az ejraye barname baraye omoom be kasi dars nemidad) va mibinim ke asatide bozorg shagerdane ziadi nadarand,,ke anha ham har kodam  khodeshan salha kar karde`and...[[mesale barez ostad alizade ke agar eshtebah nakonam kheyli vaghte aslan dars nemidan va ma`moolan ba shagerda haye ghadimishon jam mishan,ya ostad pirniakan mahi 1bar be tabriz baraye tadris miayad  ke taghriban nesfe(bishtar)  shagerdane kelas-hashon az asatide amoozesh-gah-haye tabriz and...ya chand vaght pish ke ostad lotfi be tehran amade boodand va jam`e ziadi az asatide amoozesh-gah haye shahr haye mokhtalef baraye bahre-giri az ishan jam shode boodand(begzarim az inke ostad lotfi hamoon rooze avval goftand hich-kodam yek mezrabe dorost balad nistand bezanand va bayad az sefr shoro konand!!!)]] hala ba tavajjoh be in mas`ale in ostade aziz 3rah dare : ya kollan gheyde honar(be ma`naye vaghe`i kalame) ro bezane ve be har ki az dar amad to dars bede va pooli ro begire ke to amoozesh-gah haye zeperti ham hamoon polo migirand!! ya be te`dade maa`doodi ke chizi bareshone dars bede vali gheymat ro bebare bala... ya ham(baz majbooram yek mesal bezanam) majboore alaraghme panje`ye binaziri ke dare,va hame vasash va vase honaresh ghashsh`o zaf miran,baraye hefze abroo hafte`i 3rooz bere to yek shahre dige mosafer-keshi kone!!! ( ini ke goftam mota`assefane eyne vaghe`iyate)be nazare shoma kodam rah adelanetare??
               
                ba har hal nazare man in bood..agar narahatetan kardam ozr mikham.dobare ta`kid mikonam in nazar dar-bare`ye ellate gerani`ye kelas haye asatid bood va na shive`i ke man khod mipasandam.hamantoor ke goftam man razi nistam hatta 1rial ham dar-amad az rahe honar kasb beshe  va be hamin khater baraye inke dar ayande az gorosnegi namiram!(chon an-vaght margam va hatta zendegim kheyli bi-ma`ni mishe) chizi ke az sobh ta shab to zehnam migzare fe`lan dar oolaviyate chandom gharar begire.
               
                mota`assefane ya khoshbakhtane,hame`ye ma kheyli arman-gara bar amadim!
                zemnan az hame bekhater inke matn boland shod va majboor shodam ziad az ( ) estefade konam kheyli kheyli ma`zerat mikham.
               
                       abul hassan khane saba: kasi ke az sarmye`ye kafi barkhordar nist nabayad be donbale honar bere,chon honar zehne azadi mikhad ke dar gheyde chegoonegi`ye dar avardane nanae shab sar`o hamsar nabashe.
               man ham vaghti baraye avvalin bar in harf ro shenidam,shakh dar avordam!!....oon moghe hanooz varede zendegi nashode boodam.
              //vassalam//
               /zaagato/
              reza <reza_p2573@...> wrote:
              ba salam
              man vaghean az sohbathaie in dooste aziz(zaagato)taajob mikonam ,ishoon
              farmoodan baiad ghabool konim chon asatid salha baraye honareshoon zahmat keshidand
              hala baiad gheimate kelase khodra bala bebaran in kar vaghean eine biarzesh
              kardane honar ast(yani gheimat gozashtan rooie yek kare honary)az tarafy
              man gofte boodam sabeghan afrady mesle ostad shajarian kheily bishtar ba
              javanan kar mikardand hamoontory ke shoma mesal zadid hala man miporsam
              aya dar oon zaman honar ishoon bi arzesh bood ama hala ke dastyaby be kelase
              ishoon va saiere asatid mesle roya shode (hatta baraye afrady ke mobtady nistand)
              honareshoon arzeshmand shode??????!!!!!!!!!!
              moteasefane ye santimantalism dar tamame shakhehaye ejtemae ma vared shode
              ke moosighye sonaty ham az share oon dar aman namoonde be nazare bandeie haghir asl
              baiad bar estedad alaghe va poshtekar honarjoo gozashte beshe na hesab bankish
              ba tashakor

              zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
              ya hagh:
                albatte man khodam daghigh`an ettela`i az hazine`ye kelas haye asatid nadaram,har chand in mas`aleye gheymat haye bala ra man ham shenide`am...inke migooyid in gheymat ha nemitavanad baraye joda-sazi nokhbe ha bashad va in mozo bi-rabt ast ham dorost,vali be in mas`ale ham tavajjo bayad kard ke avvalan bahre-giri az gohare nabi ke asatide honar (va har reshte`ye digari) sal ha baraye bedast avordan an zahmat keshide`and,ensafan nabayad be hamin rahati ha bashad(in mozo yek bahse kolli bood) vali chizi ke sababe negareshe in matn shod in bood ke fekr nakonam kasi ba etminan betavanad begooyad ke hamaye asatid, mabaleghi ke onvan mishavad ra tamam va kamal daryaft mikonand...man dar morede hame`ye asatid chon ettela`e chandani nadaram nemitavanam be ghat`e begooyam vali dar morede ostad shajarian dar hamin tabrize khodeman kasi ra mishnasam ke vaz`e mali`ye chandan mosa`edi nadarad;hatta bavar nemikonid agar begooyam  (ba arze maa`zerat) dar  morde-shoor khane`ye yeki z ghabrestan ha kar mikonad vali ba in hal chand sali shagerdi`ye ostad ra karde!! fekr nakonam in shakhs hatta agar hame`ye dar-amadash ra ham pas-andaz mikard,mitavaneste az ohde`ye mabaleghi ke bazi jaha onvan mishavad bar-ayad..
                vallaho aa`lamo.
               
               
              /zaagato/

              Behrouz Touri <btouri@...> wrote:
               Salaam !
               
               Man az kelaas_haaie ishaan khabar nadaaram, ammaa taa unjaii ke midunam besyaari az asaatid gheymate kelaaas_haashun ro besyaar baalaa migirand, ke man nemidunam ellatesh chie? Motma'ennan ellatesh gozinesh nist, chon ke pul che rabti daare be salaahiiat??????? Kaashki mishod ke in bozorgaan, kelaas_haashun ro behtar va haabele datrasi_e hamegaan mikardand...
               
               Movaffagh va Pirouz baashid

              ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
              salam
              albate man az gheymate kelashaye ostad khabar nadaram va goman ham namikonam ke eishan  kelashaye monazami dashte bashand alave bar inke man yad nadaram eishan aslan be mobtadian dars dadeh bashand.amma agar kelase avaze eishan ,geran ast,hagh ba shomast va nabayad ingooneh bashad va man ham be i nkar enteghad daram.amma be nazare man behtar inast ke afrad ebteda moghadamate avaz ra nazde shagerdane matrahe ostad tey konand va baraye takmil va doreye aali nazde shajarian beravand.
              eradatmand_pedram
               
              ba salam va tashkor az pedrame aziz bekhatere maile khoobeshoon
              haghighatesh in maile shoma bahaneiee shod ke man ye harfio ke modatie mikham too grooh
              matrah konam begam oonam ine ke hich shaki nist ke ostad shajarian khodavandegar avaz iran
              zamin va shargh hastand va martabeie besiar balaee io darand ama baraye man ajibe ostad shajarian
              vaghty too zendegishoon olgoohaee mesle ostad boroomand dashtan ve behagh shivehaie avazio be khoobi
              fara gereftan chera bazi az maneshhaie in asatido be kar nemibarand masalan kelashaie ostad
              shajarian beghadry geroone ke faghat ye tedade kheily andak mitoonan az oon estefade konan
              khob hala taklife baghieie javanani ke vaghean be in honar alaghe daran chie magar ostad
              shajarian nemikhan in moosighy zende bemoone pas chera kami raho baraye javoona hamvar nemikonan
              albate sabeghan ostad ba javoona bishtar kar mikardan ama moteasefane be har dalily in ertebatat
              ham ghat shode shoma ham mesle man ghabool darid ke avaze iran nabaiad faghat be chand nafar
              mesle homayoun shajarian va...(ke man kheily beheshoon alaghe daram albate) kholase beshe
              ostad shajarian baiad bedoonan ke beonvane pedare avaze iran farzandane bishtary darand na faghat
              homayoun!!!!!!!!!
              ba tashakor

              ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
              salam
              in ham ghesmate dovom , agar hajme in filha ziad ast ya keyfyatash bad ast ,be bozorgvari khodetan bebakhshid. choon eskaner faghat dar abade A4  eskan mikonad , sarhab bandi va tanzim be hamin shekli ke mibinid ham vaghean vaghtgir bood . boresh zadan va chidane in  matn ,be tori ke hajme kamtari begirad ,shayad 1 rooz vaght lazem dashte bashad ke az hoseleye man kharej ast .omidvaram be hamin soorat morede ghabool vagheh shavad.
              eradatmand_pedram




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            • reza
              ba salam man vaghean be onvane kasi ke in bahso shoroo kard az hameie bachehaie gorooh ozr mikham haghighatesh khode man ham az edameie ingoone bahsahaie
              Message 6 of 12 , Jul 3, 2004
                ba salam
                man vaghean be onvane kasi ke in bahso shoroo kard az hameie bachehaie gorooh ozr mikham
                haghighatesh khode man ham az edameie ingoone bahsahaie binatije motenaferam va az avval
                ham ghasde kesh dar shodan mozoo nabood ama be onvane akharin nokte ke be zehnam resid
                va lazem midoonam begam ine jenabe sadjad farmoodand ke ostad shajarian felan kelasi nemizaran
                ama ishoon az khodeshoon naporsidan chera???oon roozi ke man scan haie roozname ro khoondam
                vaghean tahte tasir gharar gereftam ke kasany tooie in sarzamin boodan ke hatta ta akharin lahzeie omr
                az yad dadane anche ke midoonestand be digaran kootahy nemikardanad ama moteasefane afradi
                ke dar maktabe chenin asatidy bozorg shodan ya in karo nemikonan (ke moteasefane mesle ostade bozorgvare khodemoon zeraat ro
                be in kar tarjih midan ,albate in dalile besiar sathi bood ke doostemoon goftan)va ya afrade digary
                ke chizi ham baladan kelaseshoono dastnayaftani mikonan khob kamelan vazehe ke in asatid be poole in
                kelasha ehtiaji nadarand va bahs ham sare in mozoo naboode bishtar noee bala bordane
                jaiegah va dastnaiaftany shodan manzoore ke moteasefane natijeie aks mide vaghean kodam ostade
                ghadimi moosighy chenin maktab va maneshy dashte????
                baz ham mazerat mikham

                ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
                salam
                man hadafam az eskan kardan va ferestadan in matlab,eraeye bahshaye mofid va asasi bood amma motasefaneh aslan namidanam chand nafar in matlab ra khandand .choon aslan in bahse geran boodan va ....hich ertebati be" Maktabe Nooraai Brroumand be ghalame Shajarian" nadarad !!!.
                pas lotfan az eraeye in mozoo zeyle in Titr khod'dari konid va agar ham mikhahid in bahs ra hamchenan edameh dahid, laghal Titri entekhab konid ke be mozoo tanasobi dashte bashad.
                man che entezari dashtam amma chi shod !!!

                zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
                ya hagh:
                   dooste aziz man nagoftam in kar ravast...hatta daste man bashe migam aslan pool-gereftan baraye honar---kollan ma`naviat---harame ! manzooram in bood ke be khatere honari ke an ostade mafrooz dare,va be khatere inke inja irane va  keshvari mesle england ya america ya italia ya har jaye digari ke fekresh ra bekonid nist ,ke asatidi mesle yahudi menohin ya luciano pavaroti va... ( kollan honar va honarmand) an-ghadr arj va ghorb darand ke dolat[ke poole mellat dasteshe va hamcho iran ono sarfe karhaye bi-bonyade khodesh nemikone]
                heme-gone azashon hemayete maddi va ma`navi (fe`lan mozo bahse ma bar sare maddiyat hast!) mikone ta oon ostad dige majoboor nabashe ta vaghti joonesh dar biad kar kone, va vaghti be senne khassi resid khodesho bazneshaste mikone(chon dige har kari ke mitooneste karde)...khob in ostadi ke to irane  va hich hemayati ham azash nemishe va kolle omresh ro gozashte vase yad gereftan va enteghale  in honar va ehtemalan manb`e dar-amade digari ham nadare(va nemitoone dashte bashe),che joor zendegish ro becharkhone?? khodetoon ham hatman ghabool darid ke mashgh dadan be shagerdan be-ghole maa`roof az ghodrate panje kam mikone..( 1 mesale tarikhi:ostade bi-badile tar;mirza husseingholi ke chand roooz ghabl az ejraye barname baraye omoom be kasi dars nemidad) va mibinim ke asatide bozorg shagerdane ziadi nadarand,,ke anha ham har kodam  khodeshan salha kar karde`and...[[mesale barez ostad alizade ke agar eshtebah nakonam kheyli vaghte aslan dars nemidan va ma`moolan ba shagerda haye ghadimishon jam mishan,ya ostad pirniakan mahi 1bar be tabriz baraye tadris miayad  ke taghriban nesfe(bishtar)  shagerdane kelas-hashon az asatide amoozesh-gah-haye tabriz and...ya chand vaght pish ke ostad lotfi be tehran amade boodand va jam`e ziadi az asatide amoozesh-gah haye shahr haye mokhtalef baraye bahre-giri az ishan jam shode boodand(begzarim az inke ostad lotfi hamoon rooze avval goftand hich-kodam yek mezrabe dorost balad nistand bezanand va bayad az sefr shoro konand!!!)]] hala ba tavajjoh be in mas`ale in ostade aziz 3rah dare : ya kollan gheyde honar(be ma`naye vaghe`i kalame) ro bezane ve be har ki az dar amad to dars bede va pooli ro begire ke to amoozesh-gah haye zeperti ham hamoon polo migirand!! ya be te`dade maa`doodi ke chizi bareshone dars bede vali gheymat ro bebare bala... ya ham(baz majbooram yek mesal bezanam) majboore alaraghme panje`ye binaziri ke dare,va hame vasash va vase honaresh ghashsh`o zaf miran,baraye hefze abroo hafte`i 3rooz bere to yek shahre dige mosafer-keshi kone!!! ( ini ke goftam mota`assefane eyne vaghe`iyate)be nazare shoma kodam rah adelanetare??
                 
                  ba har hal nazare man in bood..agar narahatetan kardam ozr mikham.dobare ta`kid mikonam in nazar dar-bare`ye ellate gerani`ye kelas haye asatid bood va na shive`i ke man khod mipasandam.hamantoor ke goftam man razi nistam hatta 1rial ham dar-amad az rahe honar kasb beshe  va be hamin khater baraye inke dar ayande az gorosnegi namiram!(chon an-vaght margam va hatta zendegim kheyli bi-ma`ni mishe) chizi ke az sobh ta shab to zehnam migzare fe`lan dar oolaviyate chandom gharar begire.
                 
                  mota`assefane ya khoshbakhtane,hame`ye ma kheyli arman-gara bar amadim!
                  zemnan az hame bekhater inke matn boland shod va majboor shodam ziad az ( ) estefade konam kheyli kheyli ma`zerat mikham.
                 
                         abul hassan khane saba: kasi ke az sarmye`ye kafi barkhordar nist nabayad be donbale honar bere,chon honar zehne azadi mikhad ke dar gheyde chegoonegi`ye dar avardane nanae shab sar`o hamsar nabashe.
                 man ham vaghti baraye avvalin bar in harf ro shenidam,shakh dar avordam!!....oon moghe hanooz varede zendegi nashode boodam.
                //vassalam//
                 /zaagato/
                reza <reza_p2573@...> wrote:
                ba salam
                man vaghean az sohbathaie in dooste aziz(zaagato)taajob mikonam ,ishoon
                farmoodan baiad ghabool konim chon asatid salha baraye honareshoon zahmat keshidand
                hala baiad gheimate kelase khodra bala bebaran in kar vaghean eine biarzesh
                kardane honar ast(yani gheimat gozashtan rooie yek kare honary)az tarafy
                man gofte boodam sabeghan afrady mesle ostad shajarian kheily bishtar ba
                javanan kar mikardand hamoontory ke shoma mesal zadid hala man miporsam
                aya dar oon zaman honar ishoon bi arzesh bood ama hala ke dastyaby be kelase
                ishoon va saiere asatid mesle roya shode (hatta baraye afrady ke mobtady nistand)
                honareshoon arzeshmand shode??????!!!!!!!!!!
                moteasefane ye santimantalism dar tamame shakhehaye ejtemae ma vared shode
                ke moosighye sonaty ham az share oon dar aman namoonde be nazare bandeie haghir asl
                baiad bar estedad alaghe va poshtekar honarjoo gozashte beshe na hesab bankish
                ba tashakor

                zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
                ya hagh:
                  albatte man khodam daghigh`an ettela`i az hazine`ye kelas haye asatid nadaram,har chand in mas`aleye gheymat haye bala ra man ham shenide`am...inke migooyid in gheymat ha nemitavanad baraye joda-sazi nokhbe ha bashad va in mozo bi-rabt ast ham dorost,vali be in mas`ale ham tavajjo bayad kard ke avvalan bahre-giri az gohare nabi ke asatide honar (va har reshte`ye digari) sal ha baraye bedast avordan an zahmat keshide`and,ensafan nabayad be hamin rahati ha bashad(in mozo yek bahse kolli bood) vali chizi ke sababe negareshe in matn shod in bood ke fekr nakonam kasi ba etminan betavanad begooyad ke hamaye asatid, mabaleghi ke onvan mishavad ra tamam va kamal daryaft mikonand...man dar morede hame`ye asatid chon ettela`e chandani nadaram nemitavanam be ghat`e begooyam vali dar morede ostad shajarian dar hamin tabrize khodeman kasi ra mishnasam ke vaz`e mali`ye chandan mosa`edi nadarad;hatta bavar nemikonid agar begooyam  (ba arze maa`zerat) dar  morde-shoor khane`ye yeki z ghabrestan ha kar mikonad vali ba in hal chand sali shagerdi`ye ostad ra karde!! fekr nakonam in shakhs hatta agar hame`ye dar-amadash ra ham pas-andaz mikard,mitavaneste az ohde`ye mabaleghi ke bazi jaha onvan mishavad bar-ayad..
                  vallaho aa`lamo.
                 
                 
                /zaagato/

                Behrouz Touri <btouri@...> wrote:
                 Salaam !
                 
                 Man az kelaas_haaie ishaan khabar nadaaram, ammaa taa unjaii ke midunam besyaari az asaatid gheymate kelaaas_haashun ro besyaar baalaa migirand, ke man nemidunam ellatesh chie? Motma'ennan ellatesh gozinesh nist, chon ke pul che rabti daare be salaahiiat??????? Kaashki mishod ke in bozorgaan, kelaas_haashun ro behtar va haabele datrasi_e hamegaan mikardand...
                 
                 Movaffagh va Pirouz baashid

                ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
                salam
                albate man az gheymate kelashaye ostad khabar nadaram va goman ham namikonam ke eishan  kelashaye monazami dashte bashand alave bar inke man yad nadaram eishan aslan be mobtadian dars dadeh bashand.amma agar kelase avaze eishan ,geran ast,hagh ba shomast va nabayad ingooneh bashad va man ham be i nkar enteghad daram.amma be nazare man behtar inast ke afrad ebteda moghadamate avaz ra nazde shagerdane matrahe ostad tey konand va baraye takmil va doreye aali nazde shajarian beravand.
                eradatmand_pedram
                 
                ba salam va tashkor az pedrame aziz bekhatere maile khoobeshoon
                haghighatesh in maile shoma bahaneiee shod ke man ye harfio ke modatie mikham too grooh
                matrah konam begam oonam ine ke hich shaki nist ke ostad shajarian khodavandegar avaz iran
                zamin va shargh hastand va martabeie besiar balaee io darand ama baraye man ajibe ostad shajarian
                vaghty too zendegishoon olgoohaee mesle ostad boroomand dashtan ve behagh shivehaie avazio be khoobi
                fara gereftan chera bazi az maneshhaie in asatido be kar nemibarand masalan kelashaie ostad
                shajarian beghadry geroone ke faghat ye tedade kheily andak mitoonan az oon estefade konan
                khob hala taklife baghieie javanani ke vaghean be in honar alaghe daran chie magar ostad
                shajarian nemikhan in moosighy zende bemoone pas chera kami raho baraye javoona hamvar nemikonan
                albate sabeghan ostad ba javoona bishtar kar mikardan ama moteasefane be har dalily in ertebatat
                ham ghat shode shoma ham mesle man ghabool darid ke avaze iran nabaiad faghat be chand nafar
                mesle homayoun shajarian va...(ke man kheily beheshoon alaghe daram albate) kholase beshe
                ostad shajarian baiad bedoonan ke beonvane pedare avaze iran farzandane bishtary darand na faghat
                homayoun!!!!!!!!!
                ba tashakor

                ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
                salam
                in ham ghesmate dovom , agar hajme in filha ziad ast ya keyfyatash bad ast ,be bozorgvari khodetan bebakhshid. choon eskaner faghat dar abade A4  eskan mikonad , sarhab bandi va tanzim be hamin shekli ke mibinid ham vaghean vaghtgir bood . boresh zadan va chidane in  matn ,be tori ke hajme kamtari begirad ,shayad 1 rooz vaght lazem dashte bashad ke az hoseleye man kharej ast .omidvaram be hamin soorat morede ghabool vagheh shavad.
                eradatmand_pedram




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              • zaagato sepharial
                ya hagh: ba salam...man ham mota`assefam vali ba tavajjoh be inke daram harfam ro mizanam,osolan age maa`zerat bekham ye joor tanaghoz mishe(ham ozr bekham ke
                Message 7 of 12 , Jul 4, 2004
                  ya hagh:
                    ba salam...man ham mota`assefam vali ba tavajjoh be inke daram harfam ro mizanam,osolan age maa`zerat bekham ye joor tanaghoz mishe(ham ozr bekham ke kesh midam,ham harfamo bezanam va bishtar kesh bedam!!!) dar morede dast-nayaftani boodane asatid ke farmoodid,anha dast-nayaftani hastand;hame ham midanand va lazem nist ke khodeshan ra varede injoor bazi ha bekonand...man nemidanam chera ma irani ha to zatemoone ke vaghti bekhahim dar morede kasi nazare khodemoon ro( ta`kid mikonam ke nazare shakhsi`ye khodemoon ro va na nazari ke paye`ye manteghi ya baste be bahs elmi dashte bashe) be korsi benshoonim,az shakhsiyate taraf maye migzarim va ya oono santimantal mikonim,ya khod-khah tarin adame rooye zamin ya yek ange dige behesh michasboomim!! 
                    
                    be nazare man,be serfe harf haye omooman bi-asas va sakhte va pardakhte`ye ooham (*manzooram agha reza nist va dar kol migam*)nabayad nazari dad va bayesti ke az khode asatid porsid (ke hame midoonim avvalin bahsi ke matrah mikonand gele az dolate fakhime!! ast ke hameye nokhbehaye honari va gheyre honari`ye mamlekat ro be hamd`ellah dare bi-zar va farari mikone).
                    zemnan fekr mikonid agar khandane farahani naboodand,hamini ham ke hala dastemoone, monde bood ke migid haich-kodom az gozashtegan in-chenin raviye`i nadashtand?
                   
                  nazare man ine,agar kasi narahat mishe,ozr mikham.
                  /ya hagh/

                  reza <reza_p2573@...> wrote:
                  ba salam
                  man vaghean be onvane kasi ke in bahso shoroo kard az hameie bachehaie gorooh ozr mikham
                  haghighatesh khode man ham az edameie ingoone bahsahaie binatije motenaferam va az avval
                  ham ghasde kesh dar shodan mozoo nabood ama be onvane akharin nokte ke be zehnam resid
                  va lazem midoonam begam ine jenabe sadjad farmoodand ke ostad shajarian felan kelasi nemizaran
                  ama ishoon az khodeshoon naporsidan chera???oon roozi ke man scan haie roozname ro khoondam
                  vaghean tahte tasir gharar gereftam ke kasany tooie in sarzamin boodan ke hatta ta akharin lahzeie omr
                  az yad dadane anche ke midoonestand be digaran kootahy nemikardanad ama moteasefane afradi
                  ke dar maktabe chenin asatidy bozorg shodan ya in karo nemikonan (ke moteasefane mesle ostade bozorgvare khodemoon zeraat ro
                  be in kar tarjih midan ,albate in dalile besiar sathi bood ke doostemoon goftan)va ya afrade digary
                  ke chizi ham baladan kelaseshoono dastnayaftani mikonan khob kamelan vazehe ke in asatid be poole in
                  kelasha ehtiaji nadarand va bahs ham sare in mozoo naboode bishtar noee bala bordane
                  jaiegah va dastnaiaftany shodan manzoore ke moteasefane natijeie aks mide vaghean kodam ostade
                  ghadimi moosighy chenin maktab va maneshy dashte????
                  baz ham mazerat mikham

                  ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
                  salam
                  man hadafam az eskan kardan va ferestadan in matlab,eraeye bahshaye mofid va asasi bood amma motasefaneh aslan namidanam chand nafar in matlab ra khandand .choon aslan in bahse geran boodan va ....hich ertebati be" Maktabe Nooraai Brroumand be ghalame Shajarian" nadarad !!!.
                  pas lotfan az eraeye in mozoo zeyle in Titr khod'dari konid va agar ham mikhahid in bahs ra hamchenan edameh dahid, laghal Titri entekhab konid ke be mozoo tanasobi dashte bashad.
                  man che entezari dashtam amma chi shod !!!

                  zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
                  ya hagh:
                     dooste aziz man nagoftam in kar ravast...hatta daste man bashe migam aslan pool-gereftan baraye honar---kollan ma`naviat---harame ! manzooram in bood ke be khatere honari ke an ostade mafrooz dare,va be khatere inke inja irane va  keshvari mesle england ya america ya italia ya har jaye digari ke fekresh ra bekonid nist ,ke asatidi mesle yahudi menohin ya luciano pavaroti va... ( kollan honar va honarmand) an-ghadr arj va ghorb darand ke dolat[ke poole mellat dasteshe va hamcho iran ono sarfe karhaye bi-bonyade khodesh nemikone]
                  heme-gone azashon hemayete maddi va ma`navi (fe`lan mozo bahse ma bar sare maddiyat hast!) mikone ta oon ostad dige majoboor nabashe ta vaghti joonesh dar biad kar kone, va vaghti be senne khassi resid khodesho bazneshaste mikone(chon dige har kari ke mitooneste karde)...khob in ostadi ke to irane  va hich hemayati ham azash nemishe va kolle omresh ro gozashte vase yad gereftan va enteghale  in honar va ehtemalan manb`e dar-amade digari ham nadare(va nemitoone dashte bashe),che joor zendegish ro becharkhone?? khodetoon ham hatman ghabool darid ke mashgh dadan be shagerdan be-ghole maa`roof az ghodrate panje kam mikone..( 1 mesale tarikhi:ostade bi-badile tar;mirza husseingholi ke chand roooz ghabl az ejraye barname baraye omoom be kasi dars nemidad) va mibinim ke asatide bozorg shagerdane ziadi nadarand,,ke anha ham har kodam  khodeshan salha kar karde`and...[[mesale barez ostad alizade ke agar eshtebah nakonam kheyli vaghte aslan dars nemidan va ma`moolan ba shagerda haye ghadimishon jam mishan,ya ostad pirniakan mahi 1bar be tabriz baraye tadris miayad  ke taghriban nesfe(bishtar)  shagerdane kelas-hashon az asatide amoozesh-gah-haye tabriz and...ya chand vaght pish ke ostad lotfi be tehran amade boodand va jam`e ziadi az asatide amoozesh-gah haye shahr haye mokhtalef baraye bahre-giri az ishan jam shode boodand(begzarim az inke ostad lotfi hamoon rooze avval goftand hich-kodam yek mezrabe dorost balad nistand bezanand va bayad az sefr shoro konand!!!)]] hala ba tavajjoh be in mas`ale in ostade aziz 3rah dare : ya kollan gheyde honar(be ma`naye vaghe`i kalame) ro bezane ve be har ki az dar amad to dars bede va pooli ro begire ke to amoozesh-gah haye zeperti ham hamoon polo migirand!! ya be te`dade maa`doodi ke chizi bareshone dars bede vali gheymat ro bebare bala... ya ham(baz majbooram yek mesal bezanam) majboore alaraghme panje`ye binaziri ke dare,va hame vasash va vase honaresh ghashsh`o zaf miran,baraye hefze abroo hafte`i 3rooz bere to yek shahre dige mosafer-keshi kone!!! ( ini ke goftam mota`assefane eyne vaghe`iyate)be nazare shoma kodam rah adelanetare??
                   
                    ba har hal nazare man in bood..agar narahatetan kardam ozr mikham.dobare ta`kid mikonam in nazar dar-bare`ye ellate gerani`ye kelas haye asatid bood va na shive`i ke man khod mipasandam.hamantoor ke goftam man razi nistam hatta 1rial ham dar-amad az rahe honar kasb beshe  va be hamin khater baraye inke dar ayande az gorosnegi namiram!(chon an-vaght margam va hatta zendegim kheyli bi-ma`ni mishe) chizi ke az sobh ta shab to zehnam migzare fe`lan dar oolaviyate chandom gharar begire.
                   
                    mota`assefane ya khoshbakhtane,hame`ye ma kheyli arman-gara bar amadim!
                    zemnan az hame bekhater inke matn boland shod va majboor shodam ziad az ( ) estefade konam kheyli kheyli ma`zerat mikham.
                   
                           abul hassan khane saba: kasi ke az sarmye`ye kafi barkhordar nist nabayad be donbale honar bere,chon honar zehne azadi mikhad ke dar gheyde chegoonegi`ye dar avardane nanae shab sar`o hamsar nabashe.
                   man ham vaghti baraye avvalin bar in harf ro shenidam,shakh dar avordam!!....oon moghe hanooz varede zendegi nashode boodam.
                  //vassalam//
                   /zaagato/
                  reza <reza_p2573@...> wrote:
                  ba salam
                  man vaghean az sohbathaie in dooste aziz(zaagato)taajob mikonam ,ishoon
                  farmoodan baiad ghabool konim chon asatid salha baraye honareshoon zahmat keshidand
                  hala baiad gheimate kelase khodra bala bebaran in kar vaghean eine biarzesh
                  kardane honar ast(yani gheimat gozashtan rooie yek kare honary)az tarafy
                  man gofte boodam sabeghan afrady mesle ostad shajarian kheily bishtar ba
                  javanan kar mikardand hamoontory ke shoma mesal zadid hala man miporsam
                  aya dar oon zaman honar ishoon bi arzesh bood ama hala ke dastyaby be kelase
                  ishoon va saiere asatid mesle roya shode (hatta baraye afrady ke mobtady nistand)
                  honareshoon arzeshmand shode??????!!!!!!!!!!
                  moteasefane ye santimantalism dar tamame shakhehaye ejtemae ma vared shode
                  ke moosighye sonaty ham az share oon dar aman namoonde be nazare bandeie haghir asl
                  baiad bar estedad alaghe va poshtekar honarjoo gozashte beshe na hesab bankish
                  ba tashakor

                  zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
                  ya hagh:
                    albatte man khodam daghigh`an ettela`i az hazine`ye kelas haye asatid nadaram,har chand in mas`aleye gheymat haye bala ra man ham shenide`am...inke migooyid in gheymat ha nemitavanad baraye joda-sazi nokhbe ha bashad va in mozo bi-rabt ast ham dorost,vali be in mas`ale ham tavajjo bayad kard ke avvalan bahre-giri az gohare nabi ke asatide honar (va har reshte`ye digari) sal ha baraye bedast avordan an zahmat keshide`and,ensafan nabayad be hamin rahati ha bashad(in mozo yek bahse kolli bood) vali chizi ke sababe negareshe in matn shod in bood ke fekr nakonam kasi ba etminan betavanad begooyad ke hamaye asatid, mabaleghi ke onvan mishavad ra tamam va kamal daryaft mikonand...man dar morede hame`ye asatid chon ettela`e chandani nadaram nemitavanam be ghat`e begooyam vali dar morede ostad shajarian dar hamin tabrize khodeman kasi ra mishnasam ke vaz`e mali`ye chandan mosa`edi nadarad;hatta bavar nemikonid agar begooyam  (ba arze maa`zerat) dar  morde-shoor khane`ye yeki z ghabrestan ha kar mikonad vali ba in hal chand sali shagerdi`ye ostad ra karde!! fekr nakonam in shakhs hatta agar hame`ye dar-amadash ra ham pas-andaz mikard,mitavaneste az ohde`ye mabaleghi ke bazi jaha onvan mishavad bar-ayad..
                    vallaho aa`lamo.
                   
                   
                  /zaagato/

                  Behrouz Touri <btouri@...> wrote:
                   Salaam !
                   
                   Man az kelaas_haaie ishaan khabar nadaaram, ammaa taa unjaii ke midunam besyaari az asaatid gheymate kelaaas_haashun ro besyaar baalaa migirand, ke man nemidunam ellatesh chie? Motma'ennan ellatesh gozinesh nist, chon ke pul che rabti daare be salaahiiat??????? Kaashki mishod ke in bozorgaan, kelaas_haashun ro behtar va haabele datrasi_e hamegaan mikardand...
                   
                   Movaffagh va Pirouz baashid

                  ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
                  salam
                  albate man az gheymate kelashaye ostad khabar nadaram va goman ham namikonam ke eishan  kelashaye monazami dashte bashand alave bar inke man yad nadaram eishan aslan be mobtadian dars dadeh bashand.amma agar kelase avaze eishan ,geran ast,hagh ba shomast va nabayad ingooneh bashad va man ham be i nkar enteghad daram.amma be nazare man behtar inast ke afrad ebteda moghadamate avaz ra nazde shagerdane matrahe ostad tey konand va baraye takmil va doreye aali nazde shajarian beravand.
                  eradatmand_pedram
                   
                  ba salam va tashkor az pedrame aziz bekhatere maile khoobeshoon
                  haghighatesh in maile shoma bahaneiee shod ke man ye harfio ke modatie mikham too grooh
                  matrah konam begam oonam ine ke hich shaki nist ke ostad shajarian khodavandegar avaz iran
                  zamin va shargh hastand va martabeie besiar balaee io darand ama baraye man ajibe ostad shajarian
                  vaghty too zendegishoon olgoohaee mesle ostad boroomand dashtan ve behagh shivehaie avazio be khoobi
                  fara gereftan chera bazi az maneshhaie in asatido be kar nemibarand masalan kelashaie ostad
                  shajarian beghadry geroone ke faghat ye tedade kheily andak mitoonan az oon estefade konan
                  khob hala taklife baghieie javanani ke vaghean be in honar alaghe daran chie magar ostad
                  shajarian nemikhan in moosighy zende bemoone pas chera kami raho baraye javoona hamvar nemikonan
                  albate sabeghan ostad ba javoona bishtar kar mikardan ama moteasefane be har dalily in ertebatat
                  ham ghat shode shoma ham mesle man ghabool darid ke avaze iran nabaiad faghat be chand nafar
                  mesle homayoun shajarian va...(ke man kheily beheshoon alaghe daram albate) kholase beshe
                  ostad shajarian baiad bedoonan ke beonvane pedare avaze iran farzandane bishtary darand na faghat
                  homayoun!!!!!!!!!
                  ba tashakor

                  ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
                  salam
                  in ham ghesmate dovom , agar hajme in filha ziad ast ya keyfyatash bad ast ,be bozorgvari khodetan bebakhshid. choon eskaner faghat dar abade A4  eskan mikonad , sarhab bandi va tanzim be hamin shekli ke mibinid ham vaghean vaghtgir bood . boresh zadan va chidane in  matn ,be tori ke hajme kamtari begirad ,shayad 1 rooz vaght lazem dashte bashad ke az hoseleye man kharej ast .omidvaram be hamin soorat morede ghabool vagheh shavad.
                  eradatmand_pedram




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                • reza
                  salam ehtemalan in dooste ma motevaje harfe khodeshoon ham nistan chon aval migan man ozr khahi nemikonam(ke albate manam nagoftam shoma ozr khahy konid,chon
                  Message 8 of 12 , Jul 4, 2004
                    salam
                    ehtemalan in dooste ma motevaje harfe khodeshoon ham nistan chon aval migan man ozr khahi nemikonam(ke albate manam nagoftam shoma ozr khahy konid,chon felan shoma vekalat tamame astide geramio be ohde darid) baz akhare namashoon ozr mikhan ke aslan maloom nist chera masleie bad ine ke azatoon khahesh mikonam agar ghasd darid be in mozoo bepardazin mailharo shakhsy konim ke shaiad baghieie azaie gorooh nakhan chenin bahsi matrah beshe 1)ta vaghty ke bekhaid afrado dast nayaftany konim ange hegharato be khodemoon mizanim chera fekr mikonid shajariane digari nakhahad amad magar shoma az ayande motaleid pas lotfan az tarafe khodetoon ray sader nakonid 2)moteasefane hamantoor ke dar hameie mavared efrato tafrit darim mesle masaleie ghabl majboor nistid cheshmane khod ra bar rooie haghayegh bebandid chera ke masaleie geranie kelsaha tanha yek harfe bi asas nist balke haghighati ast ke hame az an motalean dar zemn shoma ghablan khodetoon be in mozoo ezan dashtid pas in shod tanaghoz dovom
                    3)lotfan in mozoo ra tamam konid
                    ya hagh
                    zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
                    ya hagh:
                      ba salam...man ham mota`assefam vali ba tavajjoh be inke daram harfam ro mizanam,osolan age maa`zerat bekham ye joor tanaghoz mishe(ham ozr bekham ke kesh midam,ham harfamo bezanam va bishtar kesh bedam!!!) dar morede dast-nayaftani boodane asatid ke farmoodid,anha dast-nayaftani hastand;hame ham midanand va lazem nist ke khodeshan ra varede injoor bazi ha bekonand...man nemidanam chera ma irani ha to zatemoone ke vaghti bekhahim dar morede kasi nazare khodemoon ro( ta`kid mikonam ke nazare shakhsi`ye khodemoon ro va na nazari ke paye`ye manteghi ya baste be bahs elmi dashte bashe) be korsi benshoonim,az shakhsiyate taraf maye migzarim va ya oono santimantal mikonim,ya khod-khah tarin adame rooye zamin ya yek ange dige behesh michasboomim!! 
                      
                      be nazare man,be serfe harf haye omooman bi-asas va sakhte va pardakhte`ye ooham (*manzooram agha reza nist va dar kol migam*)nabayad nazari dad va bayesti ke az khode asatid porsid (ke hame midoonim avvalin bahsi ke matrah mikonand gele az dolate fakhime!! ast ke hameye nokhbehaye honari va gheyre honari`ye mamlekat ro be hamd`ellah dare bi-zar va farari mikone).
                      zemnan fekr mikonid agar khandane farahani naboodand,hamini ham ke hala dastemoone, monde bood ke migid haich-kodom az gozashtegan in-chenin raviye`i nadashtand?
                     
                    nazare man ine,agar kasi narahat mishe,ozr mikham.
                    /ya hagh/

                    reza <reza_p2573@...> wrote:
                    ba salam
                    man vaghean be onvane kasi ke in bahso shoroo kard az hameie bachehaie gorooh ozr mikham
                    haghighatesh khode man ham az edameie ingoone bahsahaie binatije motenaferam va az avval
                    ham ghasde kesh dar shodan mozoo nabood ama be onvane akharin nokte ke be zehnam resid
                    va lazem midoonam begam ine jenabe sadjad farmoodand ke ostad shajarian felan kelasi nemizaran
                    ama ishoon az khodeshoon naporsidan chera???oon roozi ke man scan haie roozname ro khoondam
                    vaghean tahte tasir gharar gereftam ke kasany tooie in sarzamin boodan ke hatta ta akharin lahzeie omr
                    az yad dadane anche ke midoonestand be digaran kootahy nemikardanad ama moteasefane afradi
                    ke dar maktabe chenin asatidy bozorg shodan ya in karo nemikonan (ke moteasefane mesle ostade bozorgvare khodemoon zeraat ro
                    be in kar tarjih midan ,albate in dalile besiar sathi bood ke doostemoon goftan)va ya afrade digary
                    ke chizi ham baladan kelaseshoono dastnayaftani mikonan khob kamelan vazehe ke in asatid be poole in
                    kelasha ehtiaji nadarand va bahs ham sare in mozoo naboode bishtar noee bala bordane
                    jaiegah va dastnaiaftany shodan manzoore ke moteasefane natijeie aks mide vaghean kodam ostade
                    ghadimi moosighy chenin maktab va maneshy dashte????
                    baz ham mazerat mikham

                    ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
                    salam
                    man hadafam az eskan kardan va ferestadan in matlab,eraeye bahshaye mofid va asasi bood amma motasefaneh aslan namidanam chand nafar in matlab ra khandand .choon aslan in bahse geran boodan va ....hich ertebati be" Maktabe Nooraai Brroumand be ghalame Shajarian" nadarad !!!.
                    pas lotfan az eraeye in mozoo zeyle in Titr khod'dari konid va agar ham mikhahid in bahs ra hamchenan edameh dahid, laghal Titri entekhab konid ke be mozoo tanasobi dashte bashad.
                    man che entezari dashtam amma chi shod !!!

                    zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
                    ya hagh:
                       dooste aziz man nagoftam in kar ravast...hatta daste man bashe migam aslan pool-gereftan baraye honar---kollan ma`naviat---harame ! manzooram in bood ke be khatere honari ke an ostade mafrooz dare,va be khatere inke inja irane va  keshvari mesle england ya america ya italia ya har jaye digari ke fekresh ra bekonid nist ,ke asatidi mesle yahudi menohin ya luciano pavaroti va... ( kollan honar va honarmand) an-ghadr arj va ghorb darand ke dolat[ke poole mellat dasteshe va hamcho iran ono sarfe karhaye bi-bonyade khodesh nemikone]
                    heme-gone azashon hemayete maddi va ma`navi (fe`lan mozo bahse ma bar sare maddiyat hast!) mikone ta oon ostad dige majoboor nabashe ta vaghti joonesh dar biad kar kone, va vaghti be senne khassi resid khodesho bazneshaste mikone(chon dige har kari ke mitooneste karde)...khob in ostadi ke to irane  va hich hemayati ham azash nemishe va kolle omresh ro gozashte vase yad gereftan va enteghale  in honar va ehtemalan manb`e dar-amade digari ham nadare(va nemitoone dashte bashe),che joor zendegish ro becharkhone?? khodetoon ham hatman ghabool darid ke mashgh dadan be shagerdan be-ghole maa`roof az ghodrate panje kam mikone..( 1 mesale tarikhi:ostade bi-badile tar;mirza husseingholi ke chand roooz ghabl az ejraye barname baraye omoom be kasi dars nemidad) va mibinim ke asatide bozorg shagerdane ziadi nadarand,,ke anha ham har kodam  khodeshan salha kar karde`and...[[mesale barez ostad alizade ke agar eshtebah nakonam kheyli vaghte aslan dars nemidan va ma`moolan ba shagerda haye ghadimishon jam mishan,ya ostad pirniakan mahi 1bar be tabriz baraye tadris miayad  ke taghriban nesfe(bishtar)  shagerdane kelas-hashon az asatide amoozesh-gah-haye tabriz and...ya chand vaght pish ke ostad lotfi be tehran amade boodand va jam`e ziadi az asatide amoozesh-gah haye shahr haye mokhtalef baraye bahre-giri az ishan jam shode boodand(begzarim az inke ostad lotfi hamoon rooze avval goftand hich-kodam yek mezrabe dorost balad nistand bezanand va bayad az sefr shoro konand!!!)]] hala ba tavajjoh be in mas`ale in ostade aziz 3rah dare : ya kollan gheyde honar(be ma`naye vaghe`i kalame) ro bezane ve be har ki az dar amad to dars bede va pooli ro begire ke to amoozesh-gah haye zeperti ham hamoon polo migirand!! ya be te`dade maa`doodi ke chizi bareshone dars bede vali gheymat ro bebare bala... ya ham(baz majbooram yek mesal bezanam) majboore alaraghme panje`ye binaziri ke dare,va hame vasash va vase honaresh ghashsh`o zaf miran,baraye hefze abroo hafte`i 3rooz bere to yek shahre dige mosafer-keshi kone!!! ( ini ke goftam mota`assefane eyne vaghe`iyate)be nazare shoma kodam rah adelanetare??
                     
                      ba har hal nazare man in bood..agar narahatetan kardam ozr mikham.dobare ta`kid mikonam in nazar dar-bare`ye ellate gerani`ye kelas haye asatid bood va na shive`i ke man khod mipasandam.hamantoor ke goftam man razi nistam hatta 1rial ham dar-amad az rahe honar kasb beshe  va be hamin khater baraye inke dar ayande az gorosnegi namiram!(chon an-vaght margam va hatta zendegim kheyli bi-ma`ni mishe) chizi ke az sobh ta shab to zehnam migzare fe`lan dar oolaviyate chandom gharar begire.
                     
                      mota`assefane ya khoshbakhtane,hame`ye ma kheyli arman-gara bar amadim!
                      zemnan az hame bekhater inke matn boland shod va majboor shodam ziad az ( ) estefade konam kheyli kheyli ma`zerat mikham.
                     
                             abul hassan khane saba: kasi ke az sarmye`ye kafi barkhordar nist nabayad be donbale honar bere,chon honar zehne azadi mikhad ke dar gheyde chegoonegi`ye dar avardane nanae shab sar`o hamsar nabashe.
                     man ham vaghti baraye avvalin bar in harf ro shenidam,shakh dar avordam!!....oon moghe hanooz varede zendegi nashode boodam.
                    //vassalam//
                     /zaagato/
                    reza <reza_p2573@...> wrote:
                    ba salam
                    man vaghean az sohbathaie in dooste aziz(zaagato)taajob mikonam ,ishoon
                    farmoodan baiad ghabool konim chon asatid salha baraye honareshoon zahmat keshidand
                    hala baiad gheimate kelase khodra bala bebaran in kar vaghean eine biarzesh
                    kardane honar ast(yani gheimat gozashtan rooie yek kare honary)az tarafy
                    man gofte boodam sabeghan afrady mesle ostad shajarian kheily bishtar ba
                    javanan kar mikardand hamoontory ke shoma mesal zadid hala man miporsam
                    aya dar oon zaman honar ishoon bi arzesh bood ama hala ke dastyaby be kelase
                    ishoon va saiere asatid mesle roya shode (hatta baraye afrady ke mobtady nistand)
                    honareshoon arzeshmand shode??????!!!!!!!!!!
                    moteasefane ye santimantalism dar tamame shakhehaye ejtemae ma vared shode
                    ke moosighye sonaty ham az share oon dar aman namoonde be nazare bandeie haghir asl
                    baiad bar estedad alaghe va poshtekar honarjoo gozashte beshe na hesab bankish
                    ba tashakor

                    zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
                    ya hagh:
                      albatte man khodam daghigh`an ettela`i az hazine`ye kelas haye asatid nadaram,har chand in mas`aleye gheymat haye bala ra man ham shenide`am...inke migooyid in gheymat ha nemitavanad baraye joda-sazi nokhbe ha bashad va in mozo bi-rabt ast ham dorost,vali be in mas`ale ham tavajjo bayad kard ke avvalan bahre-giri az gohare nabi ke asatide honar (va har reshte`ye digari) sal ha baraye bedast avordan an zahmat keshide`and,ensafan nabayad be hamin rahati ha bashad(in mozo yek bahse kolli bood) vali chizi ke sababe negareshe in matn shod in bood ke fekr nakonam kasi ba etminan betavanad begooyad ke hamaye asatid, mabaleghi ke onvan mishavad ra tamam va kamal daryaft mikonand...man dar morede hame`ye asatid chon ettela`e chandani nadaram nemitavanam be ghat`e begooyam vali dar morede ostad shajarian dar hamin tabrize khodeman kasi ra mishnasam ke vaz`e mali`ye chandan mosa`edi nadarad;hatta bavar nemikonid agar begooyam  (ba arze maa`zerat) dar  morde-shoor khane`ye yeki z ghabrestan ha kar mikonad vali ba in hal chand sali shagerdi`ye ostad ra karde!! fekr nakonam in shakhs hatta agar hame`ye dar-amadash ra ham pas-andaz mikard,mitavaneste az ohde`ye mabaleghi ke bazi jaha onvan mishavad bar-ayad..
                      vallaho aa`lamo.
                     
                     
                    /zaagato/

                    Behrouz Touri <btouri@...> wrote:
                     Salaam !
                     
                     Man az kelaas_haaie ishaan khabar nadaaram, ammaa taa unjaii ke midunam besyaari az asaatid gheymate kelaaas_haashun ro besyaar baalaa migirand, ke man nemidunam ellatesh chie? Motma'ennan ellatesh gozinesh nist, chon ke pul che rabti daare be salaahiiat??????? Kaashki mishod ke in bozorgaan, kelaas_haashun ro behtar va haabele datrasi_e hamegaan mikardand...
                     
                     Movaffagh va Pirouz baashid

                    ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
                    salam
                    albate man az gheymate kelashaye ostad khabar nadaram va goman ham namikonam ke eishan  kelashaye monazami dashte bashand alave bar inke man yad nadaram eishan aslan be mobtadian dars dadeh bashand.amma agar kelase avaze eishan ,geran ast,hagh ba shomast va nabayad ingooneh bashad va man ham be i nkar enteghad daram.amma be nazare man behtar inast ke afrad ebteda moghadamate avaz ra nazde shagerdane matrahe ostad tey konand va baraye takmil va doreye aali nazde shajarian beravand.
                    eradatmand_pedram
                     
                    ba salam va tashkor az pedrame aziz bekhatere maile khoobeshoon
                    haghighatesh in maile shoma bahaneiee shod ke man ye harfio ke modatie mikham too grooh
                    matrah konam begam oonam ine ke hich shaki nist ke ostad shajarian khodavandegar avaz iran
                    zamin va shargh hastand va martabeie besiar balaee io darand ama baraye man ajibe ostad shajarian
                    vaghty too zendegishoon olgoohaee mesle ostad boroomand dashtan ve behagh shivehaie avazio be khoobi
                    fara gereftan chera bazi az maneshhaie in asatido be kar nemibarand masalan kelashaie ostad
                    shajarian beghadry geroone ke faghat ye tedade kheily andak mitoonan az oon estefade konan
                    khob hala taklife baghieie javanani ke vaghean be in honar alaghe daran chie magar ostad
                    shajarian nemikhan in moosighy zende bemoone pas chera kami raho baraye javoona hamvar nemikonan
                    albate sabeghan ostad ba javoona bishtar kar mikardan ama moteasefane be har dalily in ertebatat
                    ham ghat shode shoma ham mesle man ghabool darid ke avaze iran nabaiad faghat be chand nafar
                    mesle homayoun shajarian va...(ke man kheily beheshoon alaghe daram albate) kholase beshe
                    ostad shajarian baiad bedoonan ke beonvane pedare avaze iran farzandane bishtary darand na faghat
                    homayoun!!!!!!!!!
                    ba tashakor

                    ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
                    salam
                    in ham ghesmate dovom , agar hajme in filha ziad ast ya keyfyatash bad ast ,be bozorgvari khodetan bebakhshid. choon eskaner faghat dar abade A4  eskan mikonad , sarhab bandi va tanzim be hamin shekli ke mibinid ham vaghean vaghtgir bood . boresh zadan va chidane in  matn ,be tori ke hajme kamtari begirad ,shayad 1 rooz vaght lazem dashte bashad ke az hoseleye man kharej ast .omidvaram be hamin soorat morede ghabool vagheh shavad.
                    eradatmand_pedram




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                  • sadjad pourghannad
                    salam shaiad in moshkele mast ke nemitoonim manzoore khodemoono daghigh beresoonim... man 2 mesale sade dar morede lozoome tadris-e mousighi mizanam ,
                    Message 9 of 12 , Jul 7, 2004
                      salam
                      shaiad in moshkele mast ke nemitoonim manzoore khodemoono daghigh beresoonim...
                      man 2 mesale sade dar morede lozoome tadris-e mousighi mizanam , ghezavateshoon ba khodetoon:
                      shoma har rooz 3 va'de ghza mikhorid!!; agar sari be ba'zi az keshvar hai ghareie afrigha bezanid, mibinid ke ba'zi hata ta 2 rooz ghaza peida nemikonannd! hala in monsefane ast ke shoma 3 va'de ghaza bokhorid? shoma agar nemitoonid 2 rooz iek bar ghaza bokhorid ! hade aghal roozi 1 va'de bokhorid va baghieie ro be gorosnegan bedahid!!!
                      iek mesale dige! :
                      aghaie khadem missagh az bozorgtarin violonisthaie jahan hast! vali dar aksare shahrestanhaie iran amoozeshe violin vojood nadare,vali alaghe mandan ziadan!
                      khob aghaie khadem-misagh be iran bian va dar tamame shahrestanha tadris konan!!!
                      shoma fekr mikonid agar aghai khadem-missagh ba in ravesh tadris konand, ia hata faghat shagedane ba este'dad ro ghabool konand(ke in ham iek no' tab'iz hast!!) iani masalan faghat be 100 nafar dars bedan! mitoonan baz hamin khadem missaghe alan bashand?
                      hala dar morede aval : behtar ast ke shoma tamame omr goshnegi bekeshid va tamame omr ensani zaif bashid ,ya iek ensane ghavie kar afarin bashid? (mesle iek karkhane-dar ke hazineie zendegie personele iek karkhane ro ta'min mikone?)
                      dar mesal dovom (ke bishtar be halo rooze asatyde iran mikhore!) agar khadem misagh be jaie tadrise mostaghim dar ta'sise iek madreseie violin dar iran eghdam kone shaiad in moshkel be shekli sade va manteghi hal beshe...
                      hamin aghaie shajaian be nazare man agar be jaie saro kale zadan ba chand ta shagerd
                      (ke shagerdane eshoon ro ham didim, be oon soorat ,hade aghal dar teknik be paie ostadeshoon naresidan!) tahala rooie teorize kardane avaz va zabte radif kar karde boodand (ke albat ta hadi dar in zamine ham kar kardan)
                      inghadr khanandeie zaeef ba eshkalate faheshe avazi nadashtim!
                      ba tashakor

                      reza <reza_p2573@...> wrote:
                      salam
                      ehtemalan in dooste ma motevaje harfe khodeshoon ham nistan chon aval migan man ozr khahi nemikonam(ke albate manam nagoftam shoma ozr khahy konid,chon felan shoma vekalat tamame astide geramio be ohde darid) baz akhare namashoon ozr mikhan ke aslan maloom nist chera masleie bad ine ke azatoon khahesh mikonam agar ghasd darid be in mozoo bepardazin mailharo shakhsy konim ke shaiad baghieie azaie gorooh nakhan chenin bahsi matrah beshe 1)ta vaghty ke bekhaid afrado dast nayaftany konim ange hegharato be khodemoon mizanim chera fekr mikonid shajariane digari nakhahad amad magar shoma az ayande motaleid pas lotfan az tarafe khodetoon ray sader nakonid 2)moteasefane hamantoor ke dar hameie mavared efrato tafrit darim mesle masaleie ghabl majboor nistid cheshmane khod ra bar rooie haghayegh bebandid chera ke masaleie geranie kelsaha tanha yek harfe bi asas nist balke haghighati ast ke hame az an motalean dar zemn shoma ghablan khodetoon be in mozoo ezan dashtid pas in shod tanaghoz dovom
                      3)lotfan in mozoo ra tamam konid
                      ya hagh
                      zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
                      ya hagh:
                        ba salam...man ham mota`assefam vali ba tavajjoh be inke daram harfam ro mizanam,osolan age maa`zerat bekham ye joor tanaghoz mishe(ham ozr bekham ke kesh midam,ham harfamo bezanam va bishtar kesh bedam!!!) dar morede dast-nayaftani boodane asatid ke farmoodid,anha dast-nayaftani hastand;hame ham midanand va lazem nist ke khodeshan ra varede injoor bazi ha bekonand...man nemidanam chera ma irani ha to zatemoone ke vaghti bekhahim dar morede kasi nazare khodemoon ro( ta`kid mikonam ke nazare shakhsi`ye khodemoon ro va na nazari ke paye`ye manteghi ya baste be bahs elmi dashte bashe) be korsi benshoonim,az shakhsiyate taraf maye migzarim va ya oono santimantal mikonim,ya khod-khah tarin adame rooye zamin ya yek ange dige behesh michasboomim!! 
                        
                        be nazare man,be serfe harf haye omooman bi-asas va sakhte va pardakhte`ye ooham (*manzooram agha reza nist va dar kol migam*)nabayad nazari dad va bayesti ke az khode asatid porsid (ke hame midoonim avvalin bahsi ke matrah mikonand gele az dolate fakhime!! ast ke hameye nokhbehaye honari va gheyre honari`ye mamlekat ro be hamd`ellah dare bi-zar va farari mikone).
                        zemnan fekr mikonid agar khandane farahani naboodand,hamini ham ke hala dastemoone, monde bood ke migid haich-kodom az gozashtegan in-chenin raviye`i nadashtand?
                       
                      nazare man ine,agar kasi narahat mishe,ozr mikham.
                      /ya hagh/

                      reza <reza_p2573@...> wrote:
                      ba salam
                      man vaghean be onvane kasi ke in bahso shoroo kard az hameie bachehaie gorooh ozr mikham
                      haghighatesh khode man ham az edameie ingoone bahsahaie binatije motenaferam va az avval
                      ham ghasde kesh dar shodan mozoo nabood ama be onvane akharin nokte ke be zehnam resid
                      va lazem midoonam begam ine jenabe sadjad farmoodand ke ostad shajarian felan kelasi nemizaran
                      ama ishoon az khodeshoon naporsidan chera???oon roozi ke man scan haie roozname ro khoondam
                      vaghean tahte tasir gharar gereftam ke kasany tooie in sarzamin boodan ke hatta ta akharin lahzeie omr
                      az yad dadane anche ke midoonestand be digaran kootahy nemikardanad ama moteasefane afradi
                      ke dar maktabe chenin asatidy bozorg shodan ya in karo nemikonan (ke moteasefane mesle ostade bozorgvare khodemoon zeraat ro
                      be in kar tarjih midan ,albate in dalile besiar sathi bood ke doostemoon goftan)va ya afrade digary
                      ke chizi ham baladan kelaseshoono dastnayaftani mikonan khob kamelan vazehe ke in asatid be poole in
                      kelasha ehtiaji nadarand va bahs ham sare in mozoo naboode bishtar noee bala bordane
                      jaiegah va dastnaiaftany shodan manzoore ke moteasefane natijeie aks mide vaghean kodam ostade
                      ghadimi moosighy chenin maktab va maneshy dashte????
                      baz ham mazerat mikham

                      ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
                      salam
                      man hadafam az eskan kardan va ferestadan in matlab,eraeye bahshaye mofid va asasi bood amma motasefaneh aslan namidanam chand nafar in matlab ra khandand .choon aslan in bahse geran boodan va ....hich ertebati be" Maktabe Nooraai Brroumand be ghalame Shajarian" nadarad !!!.
                      pas lotfan az eraeye in mozoo zeyle in Titr khod'dari konid va agar ham mikhahid in bahs ra hamchenan edameh dahid, laghal Titri entekhab konid ke be mozoo tanasobi dashte bashad.
                      man che entezari dashtam amma chi shod !!!

                      zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
                      ya hagh:
                         dooste aziz man nagoftam in kar ravast...hatta daste man bashe migam aslan pool-gereftan baraye honar---kollan ma`naviat---harame ! manzooram in bood ke be khatere honari ke an ostade mafrooz dare,va be khatere inke inja irane va  keshvari mesle england ya america ya italia ya har jaye digari ke fekresh ra bekonid nist ,ke asatidi mesle yahudi menohin ya luciano pavaroti va... ( kollan honar va honarmand) an-ghadr arj va ghorb darand ke dolat[ke poole mellat dasteshe va hamcho iran ono sarfe karhaye bi-bonyade khodesh nemikone]
                      heme-gone azashon hemayete maddi va ma`navi (fe`lan mozo bahse ma bar sare maddiyat hast!) mikone ta oon ostad dige majoboor nabashe ta vaghti joonesh dar biad kar kone, va vaghti be senne khassi resid khodesho bazneshaste mikone(chon dige har kari ke mitooneste karde)...khob in ostadi ke to irane  va hich hemayati ham azash nemishe va kolle omresh ro gozashte vase yad gereftan va enteghale  in honar va ehtemalan manb`e dar-amade digari ham nadare(va nemitoone dashte bashe),che joor zendegish ro becharkhone?? khodetoon ham hatman ghabool darid ke mashgh dadan be shagerdan be-ghole maa`roof az ghodrate panje kam mikone..( 1 mesale tarikhi:ostade bi-badile tar;mirza husseingholi ke chand roooz ghabl az ejraye barname baraye omoom be kasi dars nemidad) va mibinim ke asatide bozorg shagerdane ziadi nadarand,,ke anha ham har kodam  khodeshan salha kar karde`and...[[mesale barez ostad alizade ke agar eshtebah nakonam kheyli vaghte aslan dars nemidan va ma`moolan ba shagerda haye ghadimishon jam mishan,ya ostad pirniakan mahi 1bar be tabriz baraye tadris miayad  ke taghriban nesfe(bishtar)  shagerdane kelas-hashon az asatide amoozesh-gah-haye tabriz and...ya chand vaght pish ke ostad lotfi be tehran amade boodand va jam`e ziadi az asatide amoozesh-gah haye shahr haye mokhtalef baraye bahre-giri az ishan jam shode boodand(begzarim az inke ostad lotfi hamoon rooze avval goftand hich-kodam yek mezrabe dorost balad nistand bezanand va bayad az sefr shoro konand!!!)]] hala ba tavajjoh be in mas`ale in ostade aziz 3rah dare : ya kollan gheyde honar(be ma`naye vaghe`i kalame) ro bezane ve be har ki az dar amad to dars bede va pooli ro begire ke to amoozesh-gah haye zeperti ham hamoon polo migirand!! ya be te`dade maa`doodi ke chizi bareshone dars bede vali gheymat ro bebare bala... ya ham(baz majbooram yek mesal bezanam) majboore alaraghme panje`ye binaziri ke dare,va hame vasash va vase honaresh ghashsh`o zaf miran,baraye hefze abroo hafte`i 3rooz bere to yek shahre dige mosafer-keshi kone!!! ( ini ke goftam mota`assefane eyne vaghe`iyate)be nazare shoma kodam rah adelanetare??
                       
                        ba har hal nazare man in bood..agar narahatetan kardam ozr mikham.dobare ta`kid mikonam in nazar dar-bare`ye ellate gerani`ye kelas haye asatid bood va na shive`i ke man khod mipasandam.hamantoor ke goftam man razi nistam hatta 1rial ham dar-amad az rahe honar kasb beshe  va be hamin khater baraye inke dar ayande az gorosnegi namiram!(chon an-vaght margam va hatta zendegim kheyli bi-ma`ni mishe) chizi ke az sobh ta shab to zehnam migzare fe`lan dar oolaviyate chandom gharar begire.
                       
                        mota`assefane ya khoshbakhtane,hame`ye ma kheyli arman-gara bar amadim!
                        zemnan az hame bekhater inke matn boland shod va majboor shodam ziad az ( ) estefade konam kheyli kheyli ma`zerat mikham.
                       
                               abul hassan khane saba: kasi ke az sarmye`ye kafi barkhordar nist nabayad be donbale honar bere,chon honar zehne azadi mikhad ke dar gheyde chegoonegi`ye dar avardane nanae shab sar`o hamsar nabashe.
                       man ham vaghti baraye avvalin bar in harf ro shenidam,shakh dar avordam!!....oon moghe hanooz varede zendegi nashode boodam.
                      //vassalam//
                       /zaagato/
                      reza <reza_p2573@...> wrote:
                      ba salam
                      man vaghean az sohbathaie in dooste aziz(zaagato)taajob mikonam ,ishoon
                      farmoodan baiad ghabool konim chon asatid salha baraye honareshoon zahmat keshidand
                      hala baiad gheimate kelase khodra bala bebaran in kar vaghean eine biarzesh
                      kardane honar ast(yani gheimat gozashtan rooie yek kare honary)az tarafy
                      man gofte boodam sabeghan afrady mesle ostad shajarian kheily bishtar ba
                      javanan kar mikardand hamoontory ke shoma mesal zadid hala man miporsam
                      aya dar oon zaman honar ishoon bi arzesh bood ama hala ke dastyaby be kelase
                      ishoon va saiere asatid mesle roya shode (hatta baraye afrady ke mobtady nistand)
                      honareshoon arzeshmand shode??????!!!!!!!!!!
                      moteasefane ye santimantalism dar tamame shakhehaye ejtemae ma vared shode
                      ke moosighye sonaty ham az share oon dar aman namoonde be nazare bandeie haghir asl
                      baiad bar estedad alaghe va poshtekar honarjoo gozashte beshe na hesab bankish
                      ba tashakor

                      zaagato sepharial <zaagatos@...> wrote:
                      ya hagh:
                        albatte man khodam daghigh`an ettela`i az hazine`ye kelas haye asatid nadaram,har chand in mas`aleye gheymat haye bala ra man ham shenide`am...inke migooyid in gheymat ha nemitavanad baraye joda-sazi nokhbe ha bashad va in mozo bi-rabt ast ham dorost,vali be in mas`ale ham tavajjo bayad kard ke avvalan bahre-giri az gohare nabi ke asatide honar (va har reshte`ye digari) sal ha baraye bedast avordan an zahmat keshide`and,ensafan nabayad be hamin rahati ha bashad(in mozo yek bahse kolli bood) vali chizi ke sababe negareshe in matn shod in bood ke fekr nakonam kasi ba etminan betavanad begooyad ke hamaye asatid, mabaleghi ke onvan mishavad ra tamam va kamal daryaft mikonand...man dar morede hame`ye asatid chon ettela`e chandani nadaram nemitavanam be ghat`e begooyam vali dar morede ostad shajarian dar hamin tabrize khodeman kasi ra mishnasam ke vaz`e mali`ye chandan mosa`edi nadarad;hatta bavar nemikonid agar begooyam  (ba arze maa`zerat) dar  morde-shoor khane`ye yeki z ghabrestan ha kar mikonad vali ba in hal chand sali shagerdi`ye ostad ra karde!! fekr nakonam in shakhs hatta agar hame`ye dar-amadash ra ham pas-andaz mikard,mitavaneste az ohde`ye mabaleghi ke bazi jaha onvan mishavad bar-ayad..
                        vallaho aa`lamo.
                       
                       
                      /zaagato/

                      Behrouz Touri <btouri@...> wrote:
                       Salaam !
                       
                       Man az kelaas_haaie ishaan khabar nadaaram, ammaa taa unjaii ke midunam besyaari az asaatid gheymate kelaaas_haashun ro besyaar baalaa migirand, ke man nemidunam ellatesh chie? Motma'ennan ellatesh gozinesh nist, chon ke pul che rabti daare be salaahiiat??????? Kaashki mishod ke in bozorgaan, kelaas_haashun ro behtar va haabele datrasi_e hamegaan mikardand...
                       
                       Movaffagh va Pirouz baashid

                      ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
                      salam
                      albate man az gheymate kelashaye ostad khabar nadaram va goman ham namikonam ke eishan  kelashaye monazami dashte bashand alave bar inke man yad nadaram eishan aslan be mobtadian dars dadeh bashand.amma agar kelase avaze eishan ,geran ast,hagh ba shomast va nabayad ingooneh bashad va man ham be i nkar enteghad daram.amma be nazare man behtar inast ke afrad ebteda moghadamate avaz ra nazde shagerdane matrahe ostad tey konand va baraye takmil va doreye aali nazde shajarian beravand.
                      eradatmand_pedram
                       
                      ba salam va tashkor az pedrame aziz bekhatere maile khoobeshoon
                      haghighatesh in maile shoma bahaneiee shod ke man ye harfio ke modatie mikham too grooh
                      matrah konam begam oonam ine ke hich shaki nist ke ostad shajarian khodavandegar avaz iran
                      zamin va shargh hastand va martabeie besiar balaee io darand ama baraye man ajibe ostad shajarian
                      vaghty too zendegishoon olgoohaee mesle ostad boroomand dashtan ve behagh shivehaie avazio be khoobi
                      fara gereftan chera bazi az maneshhaie in asatido be kar nemibarand masalan kelashaie ostad
                      shajarian beghadry geroone ke faghat ye tedade kheily andak mitoonan az oon estefade konan
                      khob hala taklife baghieie javanani ke vaghean be in honar alaghe daran chie magar ostad
                      shajarian nemikhan in moosighy zende bemoone pas chera kami raho baraye javoona hamvar nemikonan
                      albate sabeghan ostad ba javoona bishtar kar mikardan ama moteasefane be har dalily in ertebatat
                      ham ghat shode shoma ham mesle man ghabool darid ke avaze iran nabaiad faghat be chand nafar
                      mesle homayoun shajarian va...(ke man kheily beheshoon alaghe daram albate) kholase beshe
                      ostad shajarian baiad bedoonan ke beonvane pedare avaze iran farzandane bishtary darand na faghat
                      homayoun!!!!!!!!!
                      ba tashakor

                      ayaz razmjooyi <razmjooyi@...> wrote:
                      salam
                      in ham ghesmate dovom , agar hajme in filha ziad ast ya keyfyatash bad ast ,be bozorgvari khodetan bebakhshid. choon eskaner faghat dar abade A4  eskan mikonad , sarhab bandi va tanzim be hamin shekli ke mibinid ham vaghean vaghtgir bood . boresh zadan va chidane in  matn ,be tori ke hajme kamtari begirad ,shayad 1 rooz vaght lazem dashte bashad ke az hoseleye man kharej ast .omidvaram be hamin soorat morede ghabool vagheh shavad.
                      eradatmand_pedram




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