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  • Dave Lambert
    That all sounds good to me Bob, Count me in, and if I can help from the northeast, I am glad to do it. Maybe we should devote some time on our conference call
    Message 1 of 2 , Feb 7, 2012
      That all sounds good to me Bob, Count me in, and if I can help from the northeast, I am glad to do it.
      Maybe we should devote some time on our conference call tomorrow evening to that point.
      IPJN Conference call: Wednesday Feb 8th, 8:00pm
      Agenda: March 31st Indiana Genocide Prevention Summit and Midwest Peace Summit
      Whoever is chosen as moderator ought to allow for additional issues to be placed on the agenda, imho.
      dave fort wayne
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      Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:37 PM
      Subject: [ipjn] Protesting the Endless Wars



      I would like to see us reorganize the antiwar movement in such a way that we can mobilize people onto the streets, host speakers, sponsor events and maintain some sort of ongoing presence.  I am not sure what is going on with the Indianapolis Peace and Justice Center these days, but that might be an organization to reinvigorate.

      The biggest problem, as I see it, is that most people want to see some results and it has become painfully clear that protesting hasn't achieved any tangible results.  Even before you know who was elected, people started drifting away out of futility and frustration. 

      Compounding matters, the broader public completely buys into the values and ideology of of the dominant culture.  Hundreds of thousands flocked downtown to celebrate the Super Bowl, but would any of them stop and join with us, of course not.  Our society is entirely designed around keeping individuals isolated and alone in our stupid homes in stupid suburbs watching stupid television believing that this is the best society that has ever existed.  So why should they protest?  In their minds they are already living in utopia with beer and burgers and Madonna prancing around like Cleopatra.

      In a poll that came out yesterday nearly half of all Americans, 49 percent, favor the U.S. going to war with Iran to prevent them from acquiring a nuclear weapon.  After the tragedies of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan you would think that Americans would have learned their lesson, but apparently not.

      I suggest we create an ad hoc group to form a steering committee that can begin organizing individuals and organizations that might be willing to join together in opposing a potential war with Syria and Iran .  We should have meetings somewhere centrally located, such as the Circle of Friends Meeting House (just an example), where people can get together on weekends to plan a rally. 

      There are lots of things that we will need to do.  We will need to contact speakers, appoint a spokesperson to liaison with the media, issue press releases, design and post fliers, make signs, and all the other fun and mundane things that goes into making a successful rally. 

      If others are interested, let’s do it!



      -----Original Message-----
      From: Carl Rising-Moore
      Sent: Feb 7, 2012 6:28 PM
      To: ipjn@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: Erik Lobo , alan northcutt , clyde anderson , Al Mytty
      Subject: Re: [ipjn] Syria and those ‘disgusting’ BRICS


      My Sisters and Brothers,

      Let us move forward and begin building our peace and justice movement once again.  I don't know what happened, but there is no sense looking back and pointing fingers at one another.  We all have our own burdens to carry as we move forward into joining with all of those millions that protested about one month before the invasion of Iraq.  Those were heady days, but now we have more youth in our movement and we must remember that we will only succeed in rebuilding our peace and justice movement by empowering them to give voice to how we will go about creating a kinder and gentler world.  Those of us with grey hair should take a back seat to their youthful enthusiasm and passion, but of course we will not give up the good struggle until the undertaker takes us away.  Remember Joe Farah, Henry Gerner, our beloved Jane Haldeman, and many others that will not be with us at our rallies, but we will remember and be inspired by them as we move forward.  The greatest revolutionary emotion is love for one another.  Let us not be divided.  United, we will not be defeated.

      Anyone in the mood for a protest of the endless war?  

      On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:05 PM, <bbaldwin@...> wrote:


      Thanks for posting that clip from Democracy Now.  Patrick Seale gave a good analysis. I noticed that Amy Goodman quoted from some emails made public by the hacker group Anonymous obtained from Bashir Assad's internal communications. Anonymous, Wikileaks and Al Jazeera have all played significant roles in helping to foment the so-called Arab Spring. I have suspicions about all three groups, which I suspect of serving as limited-hangouts for U.S. and British intelligence.


      Wikileaks founder Julian Assange had charges dropped against him after being caught hacking NASA computers as a teenager in Australia. He then worked as a security consultant before starting Wikileaks. John Young of Cryptome, an early participant in Wikileaks, became suspicious of the ease with which Assange was able to raise enormous amounts of money for Wikileaks and as a result severed his relationship with the group.


      There is no way that Bradley Manning, on his own, could have stolen all the information that he is alleged to have provided Wikileaks.  Likewise, Anonymous’s ability to hack the communications of foreign governments is more like the capability of the NSA and U.S. Cyber Command than a bunch of high school and college kids.  I like the "V for Vendetta" masks, but I don't trust whose behind them.


      As for Al Jazeera, the fact that it is an offshoot of BBC’s Arab Service and Operates from the former British colony of Qatar, home to U.S. Central Command for the Middle East, and is owned by the Emir of Qatar—says it all. 



      -----Original Message-----
      From: Dave Lambert
      Sent: Feb 7, 2012 2:44 PM
      To: ipjn@yahoogroups.com, Erik Lobo , alan northcutt , clyde anderson , Al Mytty
      Subject: Re: [ipjn] Syria and those ‘disgusting’ BRICS


      If you missed Amy this morning, catch her interview with Patrick Seale in re Syria here
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:10 AM
      Subject: [ipjn] Syria and those ‘disgusting’ BRICS


      For those of you that are not familiar with Pepe Escobar, he is in my estimation the best source of journalism that exposes the truth vs the lies of the West.   What we have in Syria is another domino that is scheduled to fall in the long war promoted by the US, UK, France, (through NATO), and the wonderfully democratic regimes of the Arab League.

      If the readers of my posts are tired of my theme of world domination by Uncle Sam please let me know.  I will be happy to find a different use of my time.

      BRICS stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.  These countries have joined in solidarity against the decades long plan of the Washington Consensus which both Republicans and Democrats agree with the concept of US world domination.  And why not?  We are such a fine example of civil and human rights protection.  We don't torture?  We don't kill without a trial?  We respect the international treaties that prevent preemptive war?  We only bomb those nations and people to protect them against their leaders that will not line up in support of Uncle Sam.

      There are many issues in the good fight to make our country and the world a better place to raise our children.  Environmental degradation, attacks upon the labor union movement, Wall Street crimes against society, gay bashing and more.  

      All of these and many other issues deserve our attention and support.  We must also consider the millions of people that have been murdered by the money we pay in taxes.  We can stop protesting now because the election season is upon us and we can put our efforts into helping the Democrats remain in the White House or we can try to join with the majority of those throughout the world that are tired of the relentless attacks on nation after nation in Sam's goal of world domination.

      I did not post on this site the demonstration on Feb. 4th against the drum beat to go to war against Iran.  I instead tried using the local Occupy network.  No one came.

      Hopefully, in the coming months, years, we can once again build a movement of peace activists that will mobilize to end this tyranny that knows no bounds.  So far, for the most part,  we are able to organize without the knock on the door in the middle of the night.  One day, that too will end unless we take nonviolent action.  How long before the 1st Amendment is abolished?

      Wake up America, before it is too late. 

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      Syria and those ‘disgusting’ BRICS

      by J.Perez

      By Pepe Escobar

      A Greek choir of the "disgusted" and the "outraged" predictably greeted BRICS members Russia and China double veto to the United Nations Security Council resolution imposing regime change in Syria. The resolution was backed by that haven of democracy, the GCC League, the organization controlled by the six monarchies/emirates of the Gulf Cooperation Council formerly known as the Arab League.

      United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called the double veto a "travesty". Then Clinton duly incited "friends of democratic Syria" to keep working for regime change, which was the object of the resolution. The copyright for this idea is held by the liberator of Libya, neo-Napoleonic French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who said Paris was already working to create a NATOGCC "Friends of the Syrian People Group" in charge of implementing the Arab League's regime change plan.

      Right on cue, Paris puppet Burhan Ghalyun, the head of the Syrian National Council (SNC) - the opposition umbrella group - also summoned these countries "friendly to the Syrian people". Everybody knows who they are; the US, Britain, France, Israel and GCC members Qatar and Saudi Arabia. With "friends" like these, the "Syrian people" certainly don't need enemies.

      Those 'disgusting' BRICS
      United States ambassador to the UN Susan Rice - a top cheerleader of R2P, also known as humanitarian bombing - called the double veto "disgusting".

      Even the venerable stones of the Umayyad mosque in Damascus know that only Washington has the right to wield veto power at the UN - overwhelmingly to protect the state of Israel's right to kill Palestinian men, women and children with tanks and shelling without bothering about pesky UN resolutions. [1]

      Russia, vocally - and China, silently - had been adamant for weeks; forget about a UN resolution for regime change in Syria, or worse yet, opening the doors for a Libya-style NATO humanitarian bombing.

      Russia has its own geopolitical reasons to consider Syria a red line; Syria hosts Russia's only naval base in the Mediterranean, in the port of Tartus; and Syria buys Russian weapons. But in fact all the five BRICS - plus the overwhelmingly majority of the developing world - are in synch; forget about regime change-enabling UN resolutions, promoted by the usual suspect Western trio US-Britain-France and - the summit of hypocrisy - devised by the "democratic" House of Saud and Qatar.

      Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov will be in Damascus this Tuesday to meet with President Bashar al-Assad and discuss a serious plan to try to end the bloodshed. Lavrov has calmly explained the reasons for the Russian veto.

      He had sent Russian amendments to the draft resolution directly to Clinton; "The rationality and objectivity of these amendments should not cause anyone's doubt." But to no avail; the resolution remained "unilateral" - demanding nothing from Syrian anti-government armed groups. Lavrov stressed, "No president with self-respect, no matter how treated, will agree to surrender inhabited localities to armed extremists without resistance." Imagine if Homs was in Texas.

      Still, the SNC now holds Moscow and Beijing "responsible for the escalating acts of killing and genocide", and facilitators of a "license to kill". Lavrov is imperturbable; "We have repeatedly said that we are not protecting Assad but international law. The prerogative of the UN Security Council does not envision interference in internal processes."

      Homs: Who's killing whom?
      Syria's UN ambassador Bashar Ja'afari strongly denied the opposition's accusation of regime forces bombing the Khadiliya neighborhood in Homs with tanks and artillery and killing over 200 people - arguing that "no sensible person" would launch such an attack the night before the UN Security Council was discussing a resolution. Without any preliminary investigation, France called it a "massacre" and a "crime against humanity". Like France's performance during the Algerian war?

      To understand what's at stake, it's crucial to keep in mind who's defecting from the Syrian army. Syria's top military - also members of the Ba'ath Party - are almost all Alawis, the folk Shi'ite sect (10% of the overall population). They are not defecting.
      The defectors are overwhelmingly Sunni troops (70% of the overall population); they are forming militias, Libya-style, heavily infiltrated by mercenaries weaponized by the GCC, and fighting government troops. The government's response has been to target the neighborhoods where the families of these defectors live. The center of Homs nowadays is controlled by the rebels.

      So what's really happening on the ground in Homs? Here are sections from a crucial e-mail sent by a trusted Syrian Christian source:

      Many Syrians are ecstatic about the double veto but Homs is very worrying. The opposition spread news about a massacre just before the vote and they quoted numbers in the hundreds ... unbelievably quoted by all news channels (all based on "activists") without any verification, only to bring the number down to something like 33 later. They never showed any bombing or taking people under rubble or any injured people ... just clean-bodied men with their hands and feet tied up and shot mostly once and only in their underwear. Whatever the Syrian government has in its arsenal it seems there are very intelligent bombs that can strip and tie up people then shoot them in the head!!

      The thing that we know fully well is that there are no army presence in Homs. My parents left the city then came back Saturday morning on the day of the alleged massacre and there was nothing. They usually call a hotline (115) and ask if the roads are safe and security operator will tell you to come to Homs or not. This time they told them to come and indeed there was nothing to be seen or heard. This of course doesn't mean that most of the city and particularly the old city is under the control of the gunmen. Our old neighborhood where I grew up (the Christian Bustan al-Diwan) was completely taken over by the gunmen. YouTube videos show how the FSA cleared the army roadblock in the previous neighborhood (Bab al-Dreib) and then proceeded to destroy the one guarding our neighborhood.

      People in my neighborhood did not complain of any major harassment or problem, however the "revolutionaries" did indeed break into a couple of homes that their people left either days earlier or at the time, also into a school, Homs Newspaper (operated by the Orthodox church for more than 100 years) and a few other restaurants but no other complaints. I mean, considering what these FSA do to Alawites, then the Christians are really getting very fair treatment so far.

      What many believe now is that the bodies shown tied up and shot in Khalidiya and which are alleged to be "men, women and children" killed by a bombardment of the Syrian army were nothing but kidnapped Syrian soldiers. Add to them kidnapped Alawites who were not liberated (or actually exchanged). When the FSA kidnap some people, Alawites started to kidnap in return to exchange the prisoners. This doesn't always work and some people who weren't "exchanged for" turned up dead in Khalidiya.

      All in all up to this point there really isn't any offensive by the Syrian army on the city. The rebels continue to attack other checkpoints. People are completely in the dark as to what the government is thinking regarding Homs. It's devastating for me to see my neighborhood become another battleground and many of my friends leaving.

      All this dovetails with an explanation by fine journalist Nir Rosen, author of the indispensable Aftermath: Following the Bloodshed of America's Wars in the Muslim World ; Homs is essentially a question of rebels seizing government checkpoints - and government forces shelling a few neighborhoods with mortars. According to Rosen:

      There was no fighting in Homs, just shelling from these safe locations (from the point of view of the regime), suggesting they are unable to actually attack Khalidiya with regime fighters ... No opposition fighters were killed in the attack. And up to 130 people in Khaldiyeh were killed and 800 wounded (like I said not fighters). Now that's a lot of people but if you were watching the news ... you would think that Homs was destroyed while in fact this attack can also be seen as a sign of the regime's weakness in the city.

      Compare this with my Syrian source worried that "people are completely in the dark as to what the government is thinking regarding Homs".

      Imagine an armed insurrection in a mid-sized city in the US; the whole world saw how peaceful Occupy Wall Street was dealt with by billionaire mayor Michael Bloomberg. The "disgusting" BRICS have made it clear; there will be no NATOGCC humanitarian bombing of Syria. But NATOGCC may be succeeding in its plan B: to plunge Syria into civil war. 

      1. Here's a partial summary of US vetoes at the UN.

      Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into Liquid War (Nimble Books, 2007) and Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad during the surge. His most recent book, just out, is Obama does Globalistan (Nimble Books, 2009).

      He may be reached at pepeasia@....

      (Copyright 2012 Asia Times Online (Holdings) Ltd. All rights reserved. Please contact us about sales, syndication and republishing.)


      J.Perez | February 6, 2012 at 6:50 pm | Tags: Syria | Categories: Asia | URL: http://wp.me/p1qf1R-1Vu

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