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  • jmckivig@iupui.edu
    I agree completely with Dave Lambert and Carl Rising-Moore in their suspicions that the US media has been fully corrupted by the federal government in their
    Message 1 of 3 , Apr 7, 2011
      I agree completely with Dave Lambert and Carl Rising-Moore in their
      suspicions that the US media has been fully corrupted by the federal
      government in their reporting on Libya. I don't think the press has
      ever recovered from their embedding in the the early stages of the Iraq
      war. With the 24/7 "News Cycles" most network (PBS & NPR, too) and wire
      service reporters depend on their government sources for most of their
      "reporting." Their "news" therefore is indirectly the product of
      whatever our government (CIA, Military Intell., etc.) wants it to be to
      manipulate U.S. public opinion.

      As a quick rule of thumb, I generally listen to the "news" and conclude
      that the exact opposite is true. Case in point, I think a large
      majority of Libyans would prefer Ghaddafi with all of craziness to the
      puppet rebel "regime" that is probably mainly armed and financed by the
      US and its "proxies." Victory by the rebels doesn't mean "democracy,"
      it probably means western hegemony over that nation's internal
      resources. In my opinion, what is going on is a regional and tribal
      civil war and American corporate interest and the US military and
      intelligence community want to seize the opportunity to remove one of
      the few Middle Eastern leaders they do not already control.

      Based on recent history, we probably will not be able to prevent this
      international crime but I think it our duty to speak out nevertheless
      to testify against this nation's current shameful foreign policy.

      Where is that "Change" we were promised in 2008?



      Quoting Dave Lambert <dl2001@...>:

      > Thanks Carl,
      >
      > How much of what Obama, Clinton, and others are telling us is the
      > truth about Libya? Sounds like very little.
      > Most seem to be outright lies. And true to course, the US Press are
      > carrying the lies for all to absorb. This happens prior to any war.
      > Recall
      > our vilification of Saddam, Noriega, Ortega, and the list goes on. It
      > is up to us to confront these lies, in whatever
      > way we can (does anyone have a television station for sale cheap?)
      >
      > Here's a piece by Stephen Goodson that you won't read in the NY Times
      > nor hear about on CNN: "The Truth About Libya:
      >
      > The Truth About Libya
      >
      > By Stephen Goodson
      >
      > 4-1-11
      >
      >
      >
      > Colonel Muammar Gadaffi is frequently referred to in the media as a
      > "mad dictator" and "bloody tyrant", but do these allegations accord
      > with the facts?
      >
      >
      >
      > Libya consists of over 15O tribes, with the two main groups, the
      > Meghabra living in Tripolitania in the west and the Wafallah living
      > in Cyrenaica in the east. Previous attempts to unite these tribes by
      > the Turkish (1855 -1911) and ltalian {1911- 43) colonial rulers
      > failed and the country was split in two for administrative purposes.
      >
      >
      >
      > Oil was discovered in Libya in 1959, but King ldris of the Senussi
      > tribe allowed most of the oil profits to be siphoned into the coffers
      > of the oil companies. The coup d'etat on 1 September 1969 led by
      > Colonel Gadaffi had countrywide support. He subsequently married a
      > woman from the royal Barqa tribe and adroitly unified the nation.
      >
      >
      >
      > By retaining Libya's oil wealth for the benefit of all its people,
      > Gadaffi had created a socialist paradise. There is no unemployment,
      > Libya has the highest GDP in Africa, less than 5% of the population
      > is classified as poor and it has fewer people living below the
      > poverty datum line than for example in Holland. Life expectancy is 75
      > years and is the highest in Africa and I0% above the world average.
      >
      >
      >
      > With the exception of the nomadic Bedouin and Tuareg tribes, most
      > Libyan families possess a house and a car. There is free health care
      > and education and not surprisingly Libya has a literacy rate of 82%.
      > Last year Gadaffi distributed $500 to each man, woman and child
      > (population 6.5 million).
      >
      >
      >
      > Libya has a tolerable human rights record and stands at 61 on the
      > International Incarceration Index, comparable with countries in
      > central Europe (the lower the rating, the lower the standing - the
      > USA occupies the no.1 spot!). There is hardly any crime and only
      > rebels and traitors are dealt with harshly.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Anyone who has read Gadaffi's little Green Book will realize that he
      > is a thoughtful and enlightened leader. Libya has been accused of
      > having committed numerous acts of terrorism in the past, but many of
      > these have been perpetrated by foreign intelligence agencies as false
      > flag operations - the Lockerbie bombing being a prime example.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > The CIA and MI6 and their frontmen have been stoking up dissent in
      > the east of the country for almost 30 years. Libya produces
      > exceptionally high quality light crude oil and its production cost of
      > $1 a barrel, compared to the current price of $115, is the lowest in
      > the world.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Riba (usury) is not permitted. The Central bank of Libya is a
      > wholly-owned by the Libyan Government and is run as a state bank,
      > issuing all government loans free of interest. This is in contrast to
      > the exploitative fractional reserve banking system of the West. The
      > no-fly zone and the bombing of Libya have nothing to do with the
      > protection of civilians.
      >
      >
      >
      > It is an act of war - a blatant and crude attempt by the oil
      > corporations and international bankers to steal the wealth of Libya,
      > as they have done with most of Africa. Sadly, our President Obama is
      > in the center of this thievery.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > "
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Carl Rising-Moore
      > To: ipjn@yahoogroups.com ; clyde anderson
      > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 10:28 AM
      > Subject: [ipjn] [Lafayette_Peace] for discussion on Libya
      >
      >
      >
      > The lies are stacked upon more lies upon more lies. When will the
      > US public wake up?
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      > From: Harry R Targ <targ@...>
      > Date: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:56 AM
      > Subject: [Lafayette_Peace] for discussion on Libya
      > To: Lafayette Peace <lafayette_peace@yahoogroups.com>
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Ed Felien : Obama and the Lies About Libya
      >
      > What's really up in Benghazi?
      > Obama's lies about Libya
      >
      > By Ed Felien / The Rag Blog / April 5, 2011
      >
      > Barack Obama tried to explain the U. S. war against Libya on Monday,
      > March 28, and he said a number of things that simply are not true.
      >
      > He said, ?Gaddafi has lost the confidence of his people.? Compared
      > to most other Arab countries, Gaddafi seems to enjoy widespread if
      > not universal support. The city of Benghazi is an isolated exception.
      > Thomas C. Mountain has been following events in Libya for 25 years.
      > Here is his assessment:
      >
      > In 1969 when Col. Gaddafi came to power by overthrowing the Libyan
      > king in a military coup, Libyans were one of the poorest people in
      > the world with an annual per capita income of less than $60.
      >
      > Today, thanks to the ?Arab Socialism? policy of the government as
      > well as bountiful petroleum exports, the Libyan people enjoy one of
      > the highest standards of living in the Arab world. Most Libyan
      > families own their own homes and most Libyan families own an
      > automobile.
      >
      > The free public health system in Libya is one of the best in the
      > Arab world and Libya?s free education system up to the graduate level
      > is as good if not better than any other in the region.
      >
      > So the question is, why has a revolt broken out?
      >
      > The answer, which I have been intensely researching for the past
      > month is not a simple one.
      >
      > The revolt started in Benghazi in eastern Libya. A very important
      > point not mentioned anywhere in the international media is the fact
      > that due to geographic location, being one of the closest points to
      > Europe from the African continent, Benghazi has over the past 15
      > years or so become the epicenter of African migration to Europe. At
      > one point over a thousand African migrants a day were pouring into
      > Libya in hopes of arranging transport to Europe.
      >
      > The human trafficking industry, one of the most evil, inhumane
      > businesses on the planet, grew into a billion dollar a year industry
      > in Benghazi. A large, vicious underworld mafia set down deep roots in
      > Benghazi, employing thousands in various capacities and corrupting
      > Libyan police and government officials. It has only been in the past
      > year or so that the Libyan government, with help from Italy, has
      > finally brought this cancer under control.
      >
      > With their livelihood destroyed and many of their leaders in prison,
      > the human trafficking mafia have been at the forefront in funding and
      > supporting the Libyan rebellion. Many of the human trafficking gangs
      > and other criminal elements in Benghazi are known for racist pogroms
      > against African guest workers where over the past decade they
      > regularly robbed and murdered Africans in Benghazi and its
      > surrounding neighborhoods.
      >
      > Since the rebellion in Benghazi broke out several hundred Sudanese,
      > Somali, Ethiopian, and Eritrean guest workers have been robbed and
      > murdered by racist rebel militias, a fact well hidden by the
      > international media.
      >
      > Benghazi has also long been a well-known center of religious
      > extremism. Libyan fanatics who spent time in Afghanistan are
      > concentrated there and a number of terrorist cells have been carrying
      > out bombings and assassinations of government officials in Benghazi
      > over the past two decades. One cell, calling itself the Fighting
      > Islamic Group, declared itself an Al Queda affiliate back in 2007.
      > These cells were the first to take up arms against the Libyan
      > government.?
      > Obama said, ?Gaddafi chose to escalate his attacks.? From the outset
      > the Libyan revolt was different from the rest of the nonviolent
      > revolts in the Middle East and North Africa: it was a violent revolt
      > led by gangster elements and Islamic fundamentalists. The press has
      > conveniently ignored this distinction.
      >
      > Obama said, ?I authorized military action to stop the killing and
      > enforce UN Security Council Resolution 1973.? The very first
      > statement of the UN resolution says, ?1. Demands the immediate
      > establishment of a ceasefire and a complete end to violence and all
      > attacks against, and abuses of, civilians;? The U.S. has spearheaded
      > an offensive against Libyan forces in direct violation of a ceasefire
      > and an end to violence.
      >
      > The resolution, ?Decides to establish a ban on all flights in the
      > airspace of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya in order to help protect
      > civilians;? The U.S. with its allies has established air superiority,
      > but it is not complying with the ban on all non-humanitarian flights.
      > It is not possible to verify, but it is very likely that the U.S. is
      > sending mercenaries and arms to aid the rebels in direct violation of
      > the UN Resolution establishing an arms embargo.
      >
      > Obama said he had promised ?we would not put ground troops into
      > Libya.? While it is obviously true that no combat troops in uniform
      > have landed on ?the shores of Tripoli,? it seems very likely that
      > with hundreds of thousands of paid mercenaries in the immediate area
      > and tons of military hardware, the U.S. is most certainly playing a
      > covert support role to the rebels with boots and guns on the ground.
      >
      > And the Obama administration has admitted that CIA operatives have
      > been on the ground with the rebels (in violation of the UN
      > resolution) for more than three weeks.
      >
      > Obama said, ?Our military mission is narrowly focused on saving
      > lives.? Clearly the mission is to support the rebels, continue
      > advancing to Tripoli and overthrow Gaddafi.
      >
      > Then Obama tried to articulate the Obama Doctrine to justify intervention,
      > Some question why America should intervene at all -- even in limited
      > ways -- in this distant land. They argue that there are many places
      > in the world where innocent civilians face brutal violence at the
      > hands of their government, and America should not be expected to
      > police the world, particularly when we have so many pressing concerns
      > here at home.
      > In Bahrain the King brought in foreign troops from Saudi Arabia to
      > fire on protesters, and the U.S. did nothing. There have been
      > demonstrations against the feudal autocracies in Morocco and Saudi
      > Arabia and the U.S. did nothing. We have been mildly critical of
      > President Saleh, but we continue to supply him with guns and
      > technical support to suppress dissent. We are outspoken against Syria
      > because Syria, like Libya, is a socialist country.
      >
      > Most people in the world understand that the main reason the U.S.
      > and NATO want to bring down the Libyan government is because they
      > produce millions of gallons of oil, and a more sympathetic government
      > would make it more profitable for American and British oil companies
      > to do business there.
      >
      > Obama concluded his explanation by saying, ?That is why we are going
      > after al Qaeda wherever they seek a foothold.? This was the most
      > bizarre lie of the evening. Gaddafi has been fighting al Qaeda since
      > 1995. Al Qaeda elements were part of the Benghazi uprising. We are
      > allied with al Qaeda. They are a major part of the rebels.
      >
      > In an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore,
      > Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, who fought against the U.S. in Afghanistan,
      > said he has recruited around 25 men to fight against Gaddafi.
      > According to Praveen Swami of the Guardian, ?U. S. and British
      > government sources said Mr. Al-Hasidi was a member of the Libyan
      > Islamic Fighting Group, or LIFG, which killed dozens of Libyan troops
      > in guerrilla attacks around Derna and Benghazi in 1995 and 1996.?
      >
      > Obama knows we are allied with al Qaeda. He knows there has been a
      > civil war in Libya between the secular, feminist, and socialist
      > government of Gaddafi and Islamic fundamentalists for almost 20 years.
      >
      > Politics makes strange bedfellows. The major theme of American
      > foreign and domestic policy for the last hundred years has been
      > anti-communism. From the intervention against Russia in the 1920?s
      > and the Red Scare in the U.S., through the Cold War and the McCarthy
      > hearings, American foreign and domestic policy has been driven by a
      > defense of capitalism and a hatred of socialism or communism.
      >
      > That fixation and oil are the reasons we intervened against the
      > Baath Socialist government in Iraq. And those are the reasons we are
      > intervening against the government of Libya.
      >
      > [Ed Felien is publisher and editor of Southside Pride, a South
      > Minneapolis monthly.]
      >
      > The Rag Blog
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --
      > Carl Rising-Moore
      > 317-222-0201
      > carlrisingmoore@...
      > Rising-Moore Fine Painting and Restoration
      >
      >
      >
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