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  • Jurydoctor@aol.com
    I need your thoughts on this case. $5 donation to Schiff liver center for your input. thanks, amy ... 18 year old Sam was driving home from college. He
    Message 1 of 12 , Nov 1, 2005
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      I need your thoughts on this case. $5 donation to Schiff liver center for
      your
      input.
      thanks,
      amy
      > >
      > >


      18 year old Sam was driving home from college. He stopped on the way
      > to visit a girl and proceeded to drink. He got back into his car and
      > he may have been on his cellphone at the time his car left the
      > roadway and hit some rocks on the county right of way.
      > There is no dispute that those rocks (placed by homeowners) should
      > not have been on the side of the road, in a county right of way.
      > Sam hit the boulders, car rolls over, flash fire results Sam dies
      of thermal injuries. (no broken bones etc)
      Who is at fault?
      > >
      > > DUI SAm __________%
      > > Homeowners ___________%
      > > any others? __________%
      > > total= 100%
      > >
      > > and please share your thoughts on fault.
      > >
      > > thanks,
      > > amy



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    • Paladin Network
      I would put 100% of the blame on the sot who drank and drive. Realistically though in our liberal litigatious society and the innane laws that have sprouted up
      Message 2 of 12 , Nov 2, 2005
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        I would put 100% of the blame on the sot who drank and drive.
        Realistically though in our liberal litigatious society and the innane laws
        that have sprouted up to shift blame from the idiots of the world, it'll
        probably be deemed that the homeowners were in some way responsible. I
        couldn't set a % though as other factors come into play:
        1) were the rocks keeping with the environment (i.e. were rocks in the
        county right of way at nearby properties or in the natural state?)
        2) are their other obstacles nearby naturally (trees, etc)
        3) How was the roadside graded? Is it a 6 foot wide paved breakdown lane,
        ditch, embankment,gravel, immediate grass, etc?
        4) How far off road did the idiot travel prior to hitting the rocks?
        5) what was his estimated speed at time of impact? At time of deviation from
        roadcourse?
        6) What was the lighting conditions?
        7) What were the conditions of his tires?
        8) What sort of vehicle was he driving? Was it "modified" as these college
        idiots do to make it fancy, and easier to flip (custom tires, lift kit,
        lowride kit, small steering wheel, tires that stick out, spinners, etc)
        9) If he had hit a light pole and died, would his heirs be suing the county?
        10) Has his family ever heard of darwinism?

        --
        Brian Poirier
        Brianp@...

        Paladin International, Inc.
        Houston, TX
        http://www.Paladin-Intl.com
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        F: 713-430-7005


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      • suesarkis@aol.com
        Amy - You repeatedly fail to supply us with all the facts and it is very hard to provide intelligent input with that. How many drinks did he have? Did anyone
        Message 3 of 12 , Nov 2, 2005
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          Amy -

          You repeatedly fail to supply us with all the facts and it is very hard to
          provide intelligent input with that.

          How many drinks did he have? Did anyone perform a breathalyzer? If so,
          what were the readings?

          You say he "may have been on his cellphone". Any evidence regarding same?

          Was this definitely a County "right of way" as opposed to an "easement"?
          The rocks on the County right of way were how far out? Were they on the road
          itself or the shoulder? Is the main road paved? If so, were the rocks on the
          paved part or the dirt part? You said "side of the road". Was it a driveway
          type road to their respective property or just a main thoroughfare? How
          long had they been there? Who speculates the property owner had no right to
          put the rocks there? Were they rocks, as stated, or boulders, as stated?



          Sincerely yours,
          Sue
          ____________________________________________________
          Sue Sarkis
          Sarkis Detective Agency

          (est. 1976)
          PI 6564
          1346 Ethel Street
          Glendale, CA 91207-1826
          818-242-2505
          818-246-3001 FAX

          If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English,
          thank a military veteran.

          God Bless America and her allies forever !!


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        • investigator@email.de
          Just a short comment from Germany (you know this little country with a lot of crazies on the Autobahn): Please visualize what could have happened if a baby
          Message 4 of 12 , Nov 2, 2005
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            Just a short comment from Germany (you know this little country with a lot of crazies on the Autobahn):

            Please visualize what could have happened if a baby buggy was at this place instead of a rock.

            DonĀ“t drink and drive !

            Kind regards,
            Thomas Kastner

            Capricorn Consult
            www.capricorn.cc
            Germany
          • suesarkis@aol.com
            Amy - Sorry - obviously not a breathalyzer but did they test his blood. Sincerely yours, Sue ____________________________________________________ Sue Sarkis
            Message 5 of 12 , Nov 2, 2005
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              Amy -

              Sorry - obviously not a breathalyzer but did they test his blood.



              Sincerely yours,
              Sue
              ____________________________________________________
              Sue Sarkis
              Sarkis Detective Agency

              (est. 1976)
              PI 6564
              1346 Ethel Street
              Glendale, CA 91207-1826
              818-242-2505
              818-246-3001 FAX

              If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English,
              thank a military veteran.

              God Bless America and her allies forever !!


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            • Bryan McManis
              LOL that was great. This Moron did in fact eliminate himself from the Gene Pool by being too stupid to live long enough to reproduce. That is the sad fact
              Message 6 of 12 , Nov 2, 2005
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                LOL that was great.

                This Moron did in fact eliminate himself from the Gene Pool by being
                too stupid to live long enough to reproduce.

                That is the sad fact about our Modern Society we reach a point where
                people are saved by smarter people and allowed to reproduce and bad
                genes are allowed to be in the pool.

                This snapper head is at least not in the pool anymore thank God.

                Bryan McManis

                MAGNUS PROCESS SERVING AND FIELD SERVICE
                Bryan McManis, BSBA, CPS
                Certified and Bonded Process Server # 04-3-7

                TOLL FREE 1-877-225-5928
                Office 352-624-1884
                FAX 775-206-9612
                Office 775-278-8074

                Kodak Certified Photo Specialist Certified Legal Photographer

                Member of: NAPPS Member of: NAIS Member of: SOFI

                Graduate of Florida Institute Of Criminal Justice
                Graduate of Detective Training Institute
                StandBy Member of MissingKin

                www.MagnusProcessServing.com

                --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com, Paladin Network
                <paladinpi@g...> wrote:
                >
                > I would put 100% of the blame on the sot who drank and drive.
                > Realistically though in our liberal litigatious society and the
                innane laws
                > that have sprouted up to shift blame from the idiots of the world,
                it'll
                > probably be deemed that the homeowners were in some way
                responsible. I
                > couldn't set a % though as other factors come into play:
                > 1) were the rocks keeping with the environment (i.e. were rocks in
                the
                > county right of way at nearby properties or in the natural state?)
                > 2) are their other obstacles nearby naturally (trees, etc)
                > 3) How was the roadside graded? Is it a 6 foot wide paved breakdown
                lane,
                > ditch, embankment,gravel, immediate grass, etc?
                > 4) How far off road did the idiot travel prior to hitting the rocks?
                > 5) what was his estimated speed at time of impact? At time of
                deviation from
                > roadcourse?
                > 6) What was the lighting conditions?
                > 7) What were the conditions of his tires?
                > 8) What sort of vehicle was he driving? Was it "modified" as these
                college
                > idiots do to make it fancy, and easier to flip (custom tires, lift
                kit,
                > lowride kit, small steering wheel, tires that stick out, spinners,
                etc)
                > 9) If he had hit a light pole and died, would his heirs be suing
                the county?
                > 10) Has his family ever heard of darwinism?
                >
                > --
                > Brian Poirier
                > Brianp@P...
                >
                > Paladin International, Inc.
                > Houston, TX
                > http://www.Paladin-Intl.com
                > T: 713-430-7376
                > F: 713-430-7005
                >
                >
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                >
              • suesarkis@aol.com
                Bryan and Brian - Now you really got me going this morning since I started out in a bad mood to begin with and it was all brought about but very similar
                Message 7 of 12 , Nov 3, 2005
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                  Bryan and Brian -

                  Now you really got me going this morning since I started out in a bad mood
                  to begin with and it was all brought about but very similar bull-pucky.

                  Yesterday there were 2 separate accidents involving a new bus service in the
                  Valley which involved 2 vehicles. Veh #1 driver talking on cell phone and
                  jumped a red light. Veh #2 driver elderly female not paying attention.

                  Soooooo, what did they do this morning to overcome such an obviously
                  terrible and dangerous bus service? They now have LEO's at each intersection
                  directing traffic. Those very same LEO's are needed to prevent crime and deter
                  terrorism. Why are we using them to protect those that should be removed from
                  the gene pool? For that matter, why are we doing anything to milk coddle and
                  overprotect the morons who do not understand the word ACCOUNTABILITY?

                  I think it might have started with Benjamin Spock?


                  Sincerely yours,
                  Sue
                  ____________________________________________________
                  Sue Sarkis
                  Sarkis Detective Agency


                  (est. 1976)
                  PI 6564
                  1346 Ethel Street
                  Glendale, CA 91207-1826
                  818-242-2505
                  818-246-3001 FAX

                  If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English,
                  thank a military veteran.

                  God Bless America and her allies forever !!





                  LOL that was great.

                  This Moron did in fact eliminate himself from the Gene Pool by being
                  too stupid to live long enough to reproduce.

                  That is the sad fact about our Modern Society we reach a point where
                  people are saved by smarter people and allowed to reproduce and bad
                  genes are allowed to be in the pool.

                  This snapper head is at least not in the pool anymore thank God.

                  Bryan McManis

                  MAGNUS PROCESS SERVING AND FIELD SERVICE
                  Bryan McManis, BSBA, CPS
                  Certified and Bonded Process Server # 04-3-7

                  TOLL FREE 1-877-225-5928
                  Office 352-624-1884
                  FAX 775-206-9612
                  Office 775-278-8074

                  Kodak Certified Photo Specialist Certified Legal Photographer

                  Member of: NAPPS Member of: NAIS Member of: SOFI

                  Graduate of Florida Institute Of Criminal Justice
                  Graduate of Detective Training Institute
                  StandBy Member of MissingKin

                  www.MagnusProcessServing.com

                  --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com, Paladin Network
                  <paladinpi@g...> wrote:
                  >
                  > I would put 100% of the blame on the sot who drank and drive.
                  > Realistically though in our liberal litigatious society and the
                  innane laws
                  > that have sprouted up to shift blame from the idiots of the world,
                  it'll
                  > probably be deemed that the homeowners were in some way
                  responsible. I
                  > couldn't set a % though as other factors come into play:
                  > 1) were the rocks keeping with the environment (i.e. were rocks in
                  the
                  > county right of way at nearby properties or in the natural state?)
                  > 2) are their other obstacles nearby naturally (trees, etc)
                  > 3) How was the roadside graded? Is it a 6 foot wide paved breakdown
                  lane,
                  > ditch, embankment,gravel, immediate grass, etc?
                  > 4) How far off road did the idiot travel prior to hitting the rocks?
                  > 5) what was his estimated speed at time of impact? At time of
                  deviation from
                  > roadcourse?
                  > 6) What was the lighting conditions?
                  > 7) What were the conditions of his tires?
                  > 8) What sort of vehicle was he driving? Was it "modified" as these
                  college
                  > idiots do to make it fancy, and easier to flip (custom tires, lift
                  kit,
                  > lowride kit, small steering wheel, tires that stick out, spinners,
                  etc)
                  > 9) If he had hit a light pole and died, would his heirs be suing
                  the county?
                  > 10) Has his family ever heard of darwinism?
                  >
                  > --
                  > Brian Poirier
                  > Brianp@P...
                  >
                  > Paladin International, Inc.
                  > Houston, TX
                  > http://www.Paladin-Intl.com
                  > T: 713-430-7376
                  > F: 713-430-7005





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                • oracleintl@aol.com
                  In a message dated 11/3/2005 2:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suesarkis@aol.com writes: I think it might have started with Benjamin Spock? Speaking of
                  Message 8 of 12 , Nov 3, 2005
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                    In a message dated 11/3/2005 2:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
                    suesarkis@... writes:

                    I think it might have started with Benjamin Spock?




                    Speaking of miserable mutts who should have been castrated with a can opener

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                    Oracle International
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                  • Bryan McManis
                    Greetings Sue, You are driving home (no pun intended) my point even more. That is the whole point. It has gotten out of hand. So know you take trained
                    Message 9 of 12 , Nov 3, 2005
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                      Greetings Sue,

                      You are driving home (no pun intended) my point even more.

                      That is the whole point. It has gotten out of hand. So know you take
                      trained professional law enforcement and have them direct traffic
                      when they could be doing other things as you stated.

                      You brought up war in a way. Only in a short period we created rules
                      of war where we take the smartest and brightest and physically fit in
                      the gene pool and put them in a position to be eliminated from the
                      gene pool. While it is a war crime to harm any of the weak, sick,
                      mentally ill or stupid people.

                      That makes sense to me. NOT. You are correct we are in fact seeing
                      the effects of children raised by Benjamin Spock. (Baby Boomers) Then
                      the Baby Boomers have children and raise them with no ethics or
                      accountability for your actions and we have this mess.

                      1. People that do not have the ability to think and problem
                      solve.
                      2. The break up of the family unit by all parts of society.
                      3. Mixing of different family units not related by blood.
                      4. Marriage is an option.
                      5. Violence by teens at an alarming and record rate.
                      6. Violence against women at an all time high.
                      7. Political Correctness
                      8. No right and No wrong.
                      9. No accountability of your words or actions.
                      10. Extreme selfish behavior.
                      11. Do what ever makes you happy at the moment not long term.

                      I can see the break down of our society on a daily basis and it is
                      very frightening to me. In just two generations we are where the
                      Romans were but it took them almost a thousand years to have society
                      degenerate and come apart like ours is.

                      Take Care out there it is a CRAZY world we live in now. God help us
                      all.

                      Bryan McManis

                      MAGNUS PROCESS SERVING AND FIELD SERVICE
                      Bryan McManis, BSBA, CPS
                      Certified and Bonded Process Server # 04-3-7

                      TOLL FREE 1-877-225-5928
                      Office 352-624-1884
                      FAX 775-206-9612
                      Office 775-278-8074

                      Kodak Certified Photo Specialist Certified Legal Photographer

                      Member of: NAPPS Member of: NAIS Member of: SOFI

                      Graduate of Florida Institute Of Criminal Justice

                      Graduate of Detective Training Institute

                      StandBy Member of MissingKin

                      www.MagnusProcessServing.com


                      --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com, suesarkis@a... wrote:
                      >
                      > Bryan and Brian -
                      >
                      > Now you really got me going this morning since I started out in a
                      bad mood
                      > to begin with and it was all brought about but very similar bull-
                      pucky.
                      >
                      > Yesterday there were 2 separate accidents involving a new bus
                      service in the
                      > Valley which involved 2 vehicles. Veh #1 driver talking on cell
                      phone and
                      > jumped a red light. Veh #2 driver elderly female not paying
                      attention.
                      >
                      > Soooooo, what did they do this morning to overcome such an
                      obviously
                      > terrible and dangerous bus service? They now have LEO's at each
                      intersection
                      > directing traffic. Those very same LEO's are needed to prevent
                      crime and deter
                      > terrorism. Why are we using them to protect those that should be
                      removed from
                      > the gene pool? For that matter, why are we doing anything to milk
                      coddle and
                      > overprotect the morons who do not understand the word
                      ACCOUNTABILITY?
                      >
                      > I think it might have started with Benjamin Spock?
                      >
                      >
                      > Sincerely yours,
                      > Sue
                      > ____________________________________________________
                      > Sue Sarkis
                      > Sarkis Detective Agency
                      >
                      >
                      > (est. 1976)
                      > PI 6564
                      > 1346 Ethel Street
                      > Glendale, CA 91207-1826
                      > 818-242-2505
                      > 818-246-3001 FAX
                      >
                      > If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in
                      English,
                      > thank a military veteran.
                      >
                      > God Bless America and her allies forever !!
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > LOL that was great.
                      >
                      > This Moron did in fact eliminate himself from the Gene Pool by
                      being
                      > too stupid to live long enough to reproduce.
                      >
                      > That is the sad fact about our Modern Society we reach a point
                      where
                    • suesarkis@aol.com
                      Bryan - It breaks my heart to have to agree with you in most parts. However, lighten up on the baby boomer aspect since Dr. Spock s book did not really
                      Message 10 of 12 , Nov 4, 2005
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                        Bryan -

                        It breaks my heart to have to agree with you in most parts. However,
                        lighten up on the "baby boomer" aspect since Dr. Spock's book did not really take
                        off until the '60's. However, I swear to God that when I read the book in
                        1965 I immediately recognized it for what it was. Some of my friends and I got
                        together and burned the book. Thinking back it was actually the same
                        friends who had gotten together a couple of years before the book burning for our
                        bra burning.

                        Hmmm, if it wasn't a violation of the rules, I'd cc them with this post.
                        Yep, we're still friends although we now cover the 4 corners of America - WA,
                        CA, NY and FL.

                        Sincerely and have a great day all !!
                        Sue



                        Bryan said -

                        Greetings Sue,

                        You are driving home (no pun intended) my point even more.

                        That is the whole point. It has gotten out of hand. So know you take trained
                        professional law enforcement and have them direct traffic when they could be
                        doing other things as you stated.

                        You brought up war in a way. Only in a short period we created rules of war
                        where we take the smartest and brightest and physically fit in the gene pool
                        and put them in a position to be eliminated from the gene pool. While it is a
                        war crime to harm any of the weak, sick,
                        mentally ill or stupid people.

                        That makes sense to me. NOT. You are correct we are in fact seeing the
                        effects of children raised by Benjamin Spock. (Baby Boomers) Then the Baby Boomers
                        have children and raise them with no ethics or accountability for your
                        actions and we have this mess.

                        1. People that do not have the ability to think and problem solve.
                        2. The break up of the family unit by all parts of society.
                        3. Mixing of different family units not related by blood.
                        4. Marriage is an option.
                        5. Violence by teens at an alarming and record rate.
                        6. Violence against women at an all time high.
                        7. Political Correctness
                        8. No right and No wrong.
                        9. No accountability of your words or actions.
                        10. Extreme selfish behavior.
                        11. Do what ever makes you happy at the moment not long term.

                        I can see the break down of our society on a daily basis and it is very
                        frightening to me. In just two generations we are where the Romans were but it
                        took them almost a thousand years to have society degenerate and come apart
                        like ours is.

                        Take Care out there it is a CRAZY world we live in now. God help us all.

                        Bryan McManis



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                      • Ryugen C Fisher
                        Hello suesarkis, A very talented author, engineer and erstwhile prophet named Robert Anson Heinlein defined (in the late 1940 s) this period of time as The
                        Message 11 of 12 , Nov 4, 2005
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                          Hello suesarkis,

                          A very talented author, engineer and erstwhile prophet named Robert
                          Anson Heinlein defined (in the late 1940's) this period of time as
                          "The Crazy Years" ..

                          One of his protagonists once asked the lead character in a one of his
                          novels, "What single social element proceeds the downfall of every
                          civilization in history?" .. the heroine made several excellent
                          guesses but was wrong.. the real answer? "Lack of Politeness" ...

                          The failure of politeness to be a determining factor in social
                          interaction has been (and is?) a precursor to the downfall of every
                          great culture and civilization in known history ...

                          Damnit SPOCK, what were you thinking??? (not Mr.. DR..)



                          Thursday, November 3, 2005, 12:16:06 PM, you wrote:

                          > Bryan and Brian -
                          >
                          > Now you really got me going this morning since I started out in a bad mood
                          > to begin with and it was all brought about but very similar bull-pucky.
                          >
                          > Yesterday there were 2 separate accidents involving a new bus service in the
                          > Valley which involved 2 vehicles. Veh #1 driver talking on cell phone and
                          > jumped a red light. Veh #2 driver elderly female not paying attention.
                          >
                          > Soooooo, what did they do this morning to overcome such an obviously
                          > terrible and dangerous bus service? They now have LEO's at each intersection
                          > directing traffic. Those very same LEO's are needed to prevent crime and deter
                          > terrorism. Why are we using them to protect those that should be removed from
                          > the gene pool? For that matter, why are we doing anything to milk coddle and
                          > overprotect the morons who do not understand the word ACCOUNTABILITY?
                          >
                          > I think it might have started with Benjamin Spock?
                          >



                          --
                          Respectfully,

                          Ryugen
                          PCG-Investigations
                          http://www.pcg-investigations.com
                          -Serving our clients since 1984-
                          mailto:mycroft@...

                          11:31:59 AM Thursday, November 3, 2005
                        • Paladin Network
                          And as he was fond of saying and writing, An Armed Society is a Polite Society . I miss Lazarus Long, for all his foibles. -- Brian Poirier
                          Message 12 of 12 , Nov 4, 2005
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                            And as he was fond of saying and writing, "An Armed Society is a Polite
                            Society".
                            I miss Lazarus Long, for all his foibles.
                            --
                            Brian Poirier
                            Brianp@...

                            Paladin International, Inc.
                            Houston, TX
                            http://www.Paladin-Intl.com
                            T: 713-430-7376
                            F: 713-430-7005
                            On 11/4/05, Ryugen C Fisher <mycroft@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Hello suesarkis,
                            >
                            > A very talented author, engineer and erstwhile prophet named Robert
                            > Anson Heinlein defined (in the late 1940's) this period of time as
                            > "The Crazy Years" ..
                            >
                            > One of his protagonists once asked the lead character in a one of his
                            > novels, "What single social element proceeds the downfall of every
                            > civilization in history?" .. the heroine made several excellent
                            > guesses but was wrong.. the real answer? "Lack of Politeness" ...
                            >
                            > The failure of politeness to be a determining factor in social
                            > interaction has been (and is?) a precursor to the downfall of every
                            > great culture and civilization in known history ...
                            >


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