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  • Ryugen C Fisher
    Bill --- I am taking the liberty of forwarding this link to one of the finest legal minds I ve ever dealt with --- he is is Washington State and semi-retired
    Message 1 of 6 , Apr 1, 2005
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      Bill --- I am taking the liberty of forwarding this link to one of the
      finest legal minds I've ever dealt with --- he is is Washington State
      and semi-retired but might have a few words to say on the subject and
      QWEST's position that the name/word "BELL" is their property

      His name? J Grahame Bell -- and he is a nephew of A. Grahame Bell

      Reminds me of a suit in England a few years ago .. McDonald's Corp was
      suing one and all for the use of the word McDonald's (as in McDonald's
      Tea Shoppe and Crumpets - small local establishment) -- turns out to
      have been a "bad move" seem that the Scottish Laird (Lord) Ronald
      McDonald and Head of Clan McDonald (true.. and he is NOT clown) was the
      ONLY person under English Law entitled to rule on whether or not a
      person place or thing can bear the name "McDonald" --- in a statement
      to the BBC, he suggested that rather than pick on small businesses, the
      McDonald Corp come after him ... since at the Castle HE served a
      "McDonald's Breakfast" -- as I recall, there was no comment from the
      hamburger folks and the other suits were dispatched by the English legal
      system, where common sense still seems to have a small part to play



      oracleintl@... wrote:

      >
      >Many of you may know Ma-Bell Michelle; she could sure use a kind word, or a
      >lttle encouragement if anyone could spare the time to look what is happening
      >to her and comment.
      >
      >http://www.newinvestigator.com/news/yontef/
      >(http://www.newinvestigator.com/news/yontef/)
      >
      >
      >
      >If you read that Complaint, it is such an incredible crock . . . if they
      >tried that on anyone who could afford a lawyer, they'd wear it home.
      >
      >As Momma used to say, "Tain't smart to bully girls and little boys - if'n ya
      >whup 'em, yer just a bully, but if'n they whup you, ya gotta leave town."
      >
      >
      >Bill E. Branscum, Investigator
      >Oracle International
      >www.FraudsAndScams.com
      >www.OracleInternational.com
      >PO Box 10728
      >Naples, FL 34101
      >(239) 304-1639
      >(239) 304-1640 Fax
      >Illegitimi non carborundum
      >
      >
      >
      >
    • Jim Parker
      Message 2 of 6 , Apr 1, 2005
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        <<< I am taking the liberty of forwarding this link to one of the finest
        legal minds I've ever dealt with --- His name? J Grahame Bell -- and he is
        a nephew of A. Grahame Bell >>>

        Awesome!! It will be interesting to hear what he has to say on this issue.


        <<< seem that the Scottish Laird (Lord) Ronald McDonald and Head of Clan
        McDonald (true.. and he is NOT clown) was the ONLY person under English Law
        entitled to rule on whether or not a person place or thing can bear the name
        "McDonald" ... since at the Castle HE served a "McDonald's Breakfast" >>>


        Wellllll.... It's kinda, sorta true.

        I'm from Scotland, and can tell you that the head of the McDonald clan is
        not Ronald McDonald. Ronald McDonald is a retired schoolteacher from
        Aberdeen who is displeased he has to share his name with the clown who
        promotes the McDonalds burger chain.

        The Rt. Hon. Godfrey James Macdonald, 8th Lord MacDonald, is the current
        head of the Donald clan and lives at Kinloch Lodge, a hotel he runs with his
        wife (Claire McDonald) on the Isle of Skye. The seat of the Donald clan
        since 1790 (Armadale Castle) was abandoned in 1925. It's currently
        unoccupied.

        He did, however seek assurances from the McDonalds corporation that any
        business in Scotland could use the name McDonald without fear of lawsuits.

        It's still a good story though.

        Jim

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        -----Original Message-----
        From: Ryugen C Fisher [mailto:mycroft@...]
        Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 12:54 PM
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        Bell
        Subject: Re: [infoguys-list] Unbelievable -- David v Goliath and I'm bettin
        on David again




        Bill --- I am taking the liberty of forwarding this link to one of the
        finest legal minds I've ever dealt with --- he is is Washington State and
        semi-retired but might have a few words to say on the subject and QWEST's
        position that the name/word "BELL" is their property

        His name? J Grahame Bell -- and he is a nephew of A. Grahame Bell

        Reminds me of a suit in England a few years ago .. McDonald's Corp was suing
        one and all for the use of the word McDonald's (as in McDonald's
        Tea Shoppe and Crumpets - small local establishment) -- turns out to
        have been a "bad move" seem that the Scottish Laird (Lord) Ronald McDonald
        and Head of Clan McDonald (true.. and he is NOT clown) was the ONLY person
        under English Law entitled to rule on whether or not a person place or thing
        can bear the name "McDonald" --- in a statement to the BBC, he suggested
        that rather than pick on small businesses, the McDonald Corp come after him
        ... since at the Castle HE served a "McDonald's Breakfast" -- as I recall,
        there was no comment from the hamburger folks and the other suits were
        dispatched by the English legal system, where common sense still seems to
        have a small part to play



        oracleintl@... wrote:

        >
        >Many of you may know Ma-Bell Michelle; she could sure use a kind word,
        >or a lttle encouragement if anyone could spare the time to look what
        >is happening to her and comment.
        >
        >http://www.newinvestigator.com/news/yontef/
        >(http://www.newinvestigator.com/news/yontef/)
        >
        >
        >
        >If you read that Complaint, it is such an incredible crock . . . if they
        >tried that on anyone who could afford a lawyer, they'd wear it home.
        >
        >As Momma used to say, "Tain't smart to bully girls and little boys - if'n
        ya
        >whup 'em, yer just a bully, but if'n they whup you, ya gotta leave town."
        >
        >
        >Bill E. Branscum, Investigator
        >Oracle International
        >www.FraudsAndScams.com
        >www.OracleInternational.com
        >PO Box 10728
        >Naples, FL 34101
        >(239) 304-1639
        >(239) 304-1640 Fax
        >Illegitimi non carborundum
        >
        >
        >
        >







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      • Ryugen C Fisher
        I guess I got the Reader s Digest version ... most of the fact in almost the correct order .... was on 60 Minutes as I recall thanks for the clarification and
        Message 3 of 6 , Apr 1, 2005
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          I guess I got the Reader's Digest version ... most of the fact in almost
          the correct order .... was on 60 Minutes as I recall

          thanks for the clarification and correction

          Jim Parker wrote:

          ><<< I am taking the liberty of forwarding this link to one of the finest
          >legal minds I've ever dealt with --- His name? J Grahame Bell -- and he is
          >a nephew of A. Grahame Bell >>>
          >
          >Awesome!! It will be interesting to hear what he has to say on this issue.
          >
          >
          ><<< seem that the Scottish Laird (Lord) Ronald McDonald and Head of Clan
          >McDonald (true.. and he is NOT clown) was the ONLY person under English Law
          >entitled to rule on whether or not a person place or thing can bear the name
          >"McDonald" ... since at the Castle HE served a "McDonald's Breakfast" >>>
          >
          >
          >Wellllll.... It's kinda, sorta true.
          >
          >I'm from Scotland, and can tell you that the head of the McDonald clan is
          >not Ronald McDonald. Ronald McDonald is a retired schoolteacher from
          >Aberdeen who is displeased he has to share his name with the clown who
          >promotes the McDonalds burger chain.
          >
          >The Rt. Hon. Godfrey James Macdonald, 8th Lord MacDonald, is the current
          >head of the Donald clan and lives at Kinloch Lodge, a hotel he runs with his
          >wife (Claire McDonald) on the Isle of Skye. The seat of the Donald clan
          >since 1790 (Armadale Castle) was abandoned in 1925. It's currently
          >unoccupied.
          >
          >He did, however seek assurances from the McDonalds corporation that any
          >business in Scotland could use the name McDonald without fear of lawsuits.
          >
          >It's still a good story though.
          >
          >Jim
          >
          >=================
          >
          >JIM PARKER - Chief Investigator
          >Email Tracing & Internet Fraud Specialist.
          >Axis Investigative Services, Inc. (FL)
          >Web: http://www.FloridaDetectives.com
          >Email: Jim@...
          >Florida License #: A-2000163
          >
          >Director / Team Member of MissingKIN
          >"Dedicated to finding missing and abducted children"
          >Web: http://www.MissingKIN.com
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >-----Original Message-----
          >From: Ryugen C Fisher [mailto:mycroft@...]
          >Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 12:54 PM
          >To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
          >Cc: New_Investigator@yahoogroups.com; 1811@yahoogroups.com;
          >FraudsAndScams@yahoogroups.com; Psy-CJ-Law@yahoogroups.com;
          >TheProfessionalPI@yahoogroups.com; ASPI-members@yahoogroups.com; JGrahame
          >Bell
          >Subject: Re: [infoguys-list] Unbelievable -- David v Goliath and I'm bettin
          >on David again
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >Bill --- I am taking the liberty of forwarding this link to one of the
          >finest legal minds I've ever dealt with --- he is is Washington State and
          >semi-retired but might have a few words to say on the subject and QWEST's
          >position that the name/word "BELL" is their property
          >
          >His name? J Grahame Bell -- and he is a nephew of A. Grahame Bell
          >
          >Reminds me of a suit in England a few years ago .. McDonald's Corp was suing
          >one and all for the use of the word McDonald's (as in McDonald's
          >Tea Shoppe and Crumpets - small local establishment) -- turns out to
          >have been a "bad move" seem that the Scottish Laird (Lord) Ronald McDonald
          >and Head of Clan McDonald (true.. and he is NOT clown) was the ONLY person
          >under English Law entitled to rule on whether or not a person place or thing
          >can bear the name "McDonald" --- in a statement to the BBC, he suggested
          >that rather than pick on small businesses, the McDonald Corp come after him
          >... since at the Castle HE served a "McDonald's Breakfast" -- as I recall,
          >there was no comment from the hamburger folks and the other suits were
          >dispatched by the English legal system, where common sense still seems to
          >have a small part to play
          >
          >
          >
          >oracleintl@... wrote:
          >
          >
          >
          >>Many of you may know Ma-Bell Michelle; she could sure use a kind word,
          >>or a lttle encouragement if anyone could spare the time to look what
          >>is happening to her and comment.
          >>
          >>http://www.newinvestigator.com/news/yontef/
          >>(http://www.newinvestigator.com/news/yontef/)
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>If you read that Complaint, it is such an incredible crock . . . if they
          >>tried that on anyone who could afford a lawyer, they'd wear it home.
          >>
          >>As Momma used to say, "Tain't smart to bully girls and little boys - if'n
          >>
          >>
          >ya
          >
          >
          >>whup 'em, yer just a bully, but if'n they whup you, ya gotta leave town."
          >>
          >>
          >>Bill E. Branscum, Investigator
          >>Oracle International
          >>www.FraudsAndScams.com
          >>www.OracleInternational.com
          >>PO Box 10728
          >>Naples, FL 34101
          >>(239) 304-1639
          >>(239) 304-1640 Fax
          >>Illegitimi non carborundum
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
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        • Ryugen C Fisher
          Jim Parker et al: I apologize for violating one of my own rules -- I didn t check the facts ( twas 1996 fer Gawd Sakes man) -- did the research, and you, Jim,
          Message 4 of 6 , Apr 1, 2005
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            Jim Parker et al:

            I apologize for violating one of my own rules -- I didn't check the
            facts ('twas 1996 fer Gawd Sakes man) -- did the research, and you,
            Jim, remembered better than I did

            succinctly:
            # McDonald's threatened the owner of a UK sandwich bar called "McMunchies"
            with legal action for breach of trademark. A retired Scottish
            school-teacher called Ronald McDonald, and the chief of the McDonald
            clan in Scotland were both outraged at this further attempt by
            McDonald's to claim global dominion over the prefix "Mc" and the name
            "McDonald" which has been an Irish and Scottish family name for centuries.

            Having said that -- my version was more fun to tell ....
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