[infoguys-list] Re: Re:Colorado "Rapps"
>>>Dear Mr. GarrettCould you please let me know what the Rapps case is about to the best of
your knowledge and keep us on the infoguyslist advised of what is
happening in that case. Thank you. >>>>
The "RAPPS," James and Regana respectively, were a couple operating an
Information Broker service called TOUCHTONE Inc. in Colorado. They provided
database services to many "clients" whether PI, Journalist, or anyone if the
money was right.
Approximately 3 months ago, the Associated Press reported they had been
indicted by the grand jury in Golden, CO. They were arrested and charged
with multiple counts of racketeering and face up to 24 years in prison as
well as a 1 million dollar fine if convicted, according to the article. Their
arrest stemmed from illegally obtaining confidential information on the
"JonBenet Ramsey" murder case as well as the "Columbine Shooting" and trying
to sell this information to the tabloids and other news organizations.
Also, the DA's office obtained their "client" list which numbered some 1200
people and/or companies. According to the DA, "If they knew how they
[RAPP'S] obtained their information, they [client's on list] may have broken
Two (2) lessons I see from this:
1) KNOW "Who" your Info Broker is and "HOW" they are obtaining their
information. If it is by illegal or shady means, it will place YOU, the
Investigator in jeopardy as well as your "CLIENT." If the broker is not
acquiring their information legally, why should you want to get involved.
For a few $'s? NOT WORTH IT!!! I'm sure you would rather interview "BUBBA"
and "LEROY" in jail instead of being their cellmate and conducting an
interview this way. Point is, the broker should be just as concern about the
legalities involved as you are.
2) KNOW THE LAW!!!!!
On a local, county, state, and federal level. Take the time to research
these matters and make sure you stay well within the framework as established
by those entities. Yearly, check with the state legislators and see what new
laws may have developed and how these effect YOUR PROFESSION. We should be
interested in any changes in the law (in our respective locals especially)
because they will have a direct impact on how you obtain information and
dispense that information. For example, In this time and age, there are all
TYPES of stalkers. Do you really want to be responsible for someone getting
hurt, maimed or killed because you gave information to the WRONG person? Do
you know what the laws are regarding this in your state or city? Do you know
what YOUR LIABILITY may be if you obtain information from a bad source and
passed that on to your client?
I believe in Colorado, there are no licensing requirements so anyone with a
computer and the right resources could "open shop" and pretend to be an
investigator. Their conduct as "Investigators" certainly cast a bad light on
all in the profession who are trying to be PROFESSIONAL and uphold a standard
of INTEGRITY as we go about assisting those that need our services but doing
As is the case in many professions there are "good ones" and "bad ones,"
however it only takes a few "bad ones" to despoil the image many of us are
trying to reflect to our customers. Without these customers, how could we
apply our trade as "PRIVATE" Investigators. Many people already have a
negative view of what PI's do even saying we will stoop to "anything" to get
information. While this is not true of many investigators I personally know,
it is still a "perception" of the public.
We are accustomed to watching others and do so very efficiently but we should
not forget that "Big Brother" is watching us to make sure we do not "cross
that line." This is not paranoia, this is reality, this is the business we
I apologize if I may have "rambled" in this message, but after all, I think
we all should stay informed so that way we can inform OUR CLIENTS.
Enough of my commentary.
I was just wondering if someone on the list was in Colorado and could give
an update of the case as it will surely effect any legislation statewide or
on a Federal level. I saw it happen in California in 1989(?) when the
actress Rebecca Schafer was killed by a nutcase that obtain her home address
from a PI in Arizona. As a direct result of that murder, DMV records became
"unavailable" for anyone unless you had an account with DMV and opened your
books for unannounced audits by DMV. Shortly after this, Voter Registration
records became confidential, that is certain information was no longer
available to the public.
Thanks for the ear, eyeball, time.
Garrett & Associates
Los Angeles, CA.
Service of Process
- Sounds to me they obtained information other then public record. There has
to be more there. Racketeering is not selling some dirt to a national rag.
it has to be deeper then that.
- No doubt there may be more than was reported, however the point is they have
or had represented themselves as "INVESTIGATORS." Herein lies the problem
for honest people endeavoring to be the best they can be as investigators
with integrity, discretion, and courage. This is what is needed to stand up
for what is right and promote LEGAL ways to obtain information while still
protecting your clients rights as well as your own.
The way you are perceived as an investigator will determine the type of
clientele you attract.
- Dear Greg,
I live in the North County area of San Diego. I'm currently working for
I.S.C Detective Agency located in San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco and
other locations throughout the United States. I have been working for them
now for almost a year. The pay is a hourly rate and it is usually a varied
working schedule( lean weeks and busy weeks) . I have done surveillance
domestics) , counter /espionage, records search, process serving, runaways
I was in the military U.S.A.F stationed at Travis A.F.B. 60th
OMS..1983-1987....as a crew chief for the C-5a galaxy. I worked at Rohr
Aircraft as a technician, Apria Health Care( prev. Homedco) for many years
I attended LSU in Baton Rouge, La ...majored in sociology and phsycology.
I am currently working for the IHSS as a provider for disabled patients
part/time. I have absolutely no pressures ( financially speaking) and I
already live with my fiancee who has considerable experience in the
marketing field. I truly enjoy this field and would like someone to either
join me as as a partner or as a qualified licensee and manager to oversee
operations( of course with a agreeable contract setup). I have been working
under someones License ( I do not have a license) and I am in need of
someone who would like to join me for this adventure( hopefully prosperous)
of PI work. I did a home study course
with US. Academy Of Private Investigation thru John Dresdan.
I attend ( when I can) the SDCIA association in San Diego and do get a lot
helpful tips with this business. If you require any further references I
would be more than happy to furnish those to you upon your request. My
phone number (760) 518-6221. I hope that I have enlightened you a little of
myself . If you are intersted I would like to know a little bit about
Are you licensed???
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 12:30 AM
Subject: [infoguys-list] Re:Colorado "Rapps"
> Anyone knows what's happening in this case. For those interested in the
> business, they are a good example of what NOT to do.
> Greg Garrett
> Garrett & Associates
> Los Angeles, CA.
> Missing Persons
> Insurance Fraud
> Service of Process
> General Services
> Was the salesman clueless?
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