- What I am saying is that if Mr Lidipe is offering to help 419 victims get t=
heir money back,
and charges a fee for those services, he is certainly trying to take anothe=
r bite out of those
victims, as he knows he will not be able to get their money back, and claim=
ing an ability to
do so is at best dishonest. There is no bigotry involved in this assessmen=
come in all shapes, sizes, nationalities and colors.
Mr. Grudko infers that since these victims were themselves attempting to en=
gage in a
criminal enterprise, they deserve no sympathy and thus it's OK to get a lit=
tle more out of
them. Well, he's not the only one who has seen these victims cry, and he a=
sympathy for the one he refers to. And he admittedly has no knowledge of a=
their money back, as Mr. Lipide proposed he could do.
If the various governments have an interest in stopping these schemes, then=
also feel it's fair to warn potential victims. That's my motive - I don't =
speak for the other
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "A Grudko" <agrudko@i...> wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: <jameswhitccc@a...>
> > Also. check with the FBI. You will be warned never to reply to any e-m=
> from Nigerians. Consider where this guy is coming from and that should be=
> sufficient. I would have dropped this issue weeks ago but the guy keeps
> coming back
> > with more nonsense. Jim
> If we have a moderator on this group I'd say that the time is passed to p=
> a cap on this bigotry.
> I've watched these posts for a few days and have kept quiet but I now hav=
> to conclude that Jim is the one who is propogating the very nonsense he
> I don't know Mr Lipede but I have visited Lagos 3 times in the past 2 or =
> years and worked with the authorities there on about 30 '419' type scams=
> I've also worked on dozens of other similar and linked scams here and in
> other southern African countries privatly and with the South African Poli=
> Service, of which I have been a member since 1981.
> There is an active policy within the Nigerian government to stop these
> scams, which are an insignificant part of the country's GDP but may have
> enriched some criminals to the embarrisment of the country.
> The total overall 'cost' (considering that every person who 'looses' to
> these schemes is a willing conspiritor in a criminal act) of fraud eminat=
> out of Nigeria is probably less than the US Enron or European Parmalat
> frauds and certainly less than the ongoing Halliburton scams.
> I regularly corrispond with Nigerians in that country and thier consulate=
> representatives here in Johannesburg and any warning to 'never' do so is
> patently stupid. Jim does not give his source for this advice but suggest=
> that it is from the FBI. If that is true then US intelligence has been
> reduced to less of an art than a one armed drunk hitting a piñata.
> > P.S. I think that P.I.'s can learn about how clever and conspired this=
> > Nigerian 419 Scam works. It is
> > truly amazing --It has many levels.
> The scam is neither clever or amazing and the levels of conspiracy are
> easilly unravelled by the most basic of investigative work.
> But many, many greedy people will knowingly sell thier souls, thier homes=
> even thier children to try to dip thier fingers into the corrupt pots whi=
> the scammers offer without even a simple investigation.
> And every conspiritor that gets burned then cries foul. As we say here,"A=
> Mr Madison then posted:
> "What these scammers do is have a confederate contact those who have
> already been victimized by these scams and offer to help them get their
> money back. Thus they hope to take another bite out of those who have
> already been bitten."
> Considering that those who have already been bitten were willingly, perha=
> voracsiously engaged in a patently criminal enterprise, what evidence can=
> you post Mr Madison, that Mr Lipede is a crook? I see none, other than
> defaming him for simply being Nigerian.
> > If Lidipe has ever gotten any money back for anyone, no-one is aware of=
> fact, if anyone has ever gotten any money back from these scammers, no-on=
> is aware of it.
> Here Mr Madison might be correct in his generalisation, although perhaps
> unlike him I don't have personal access to all the victims of these
> scams,only a few hundred, so I can't make such a judgement. I have howeve=
> had a Canadian doctor literally crying in my car on the way to the airpor=
> because he arrived here in SA with a briefcase with US$50 000 in it to pa=
> the advance (against my advice) for a supply contract and went back to
> Canada without it with nothing to show for it but his guilt.
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