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  • SUNNY LIDIPE
    Dear Groups, Sorry for the cross posting. I sent a message yesterday asking on how possible it is to know from where an email is sent from. I received a
    Message 1 of 12 , Jan 29, 2004
      Dear Groups,

      Sorry for the cross posting.

      I sent a message yesterday asking on how possible it is to know from where an email is sent from.

      I received a surprise from an unknown party who used my email account to emailed me.

      Whoever the person is, I would like to answer his/her queries

      1. I send emails from cybercafe or shops because I am an active Investigator, I rarely stays in Office. In fact, I traveled most of the time. I communicates with my staff mostly either by mail or telephone call. It is very expensive to have a private mail so I rely on CyberCafe.

      2. Internet fraud is a common thing in Nigeria and other West African Continent. Due to the confidential nature of my works, I usually asked for a special desks to do my work and that is where anyone that wants to do a dirty work would also want to work.

      I have answered the questions, I would be happy if the sender of the mail can tell me how he successfully used my account to send me a mail. I would also be grateful if the person could give me the privileged of knowing his Identity.






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    • Shawn Richardson
      Sunny, I simply retrieved your info from the headers of the e-mail you posted. Not too difficult. My sig block should be at the bottom of the e-mail you
      Message 2 of 12 , Jan 29, 2004
        Sunny,

        I simply retrieved your info from the headers of the e-mail you posted. Not too difficult.

        My sig block should be at the bottom of the e-mail you received yesterday, but if not, it is at the bottom this one.

        Let me know if I can be of any assistance.


        Shawn Richardson
        Investigator/Forensic Data Recovery/E-mail Tracing & Internet Profiling
        Professional Investigative Consultants
        500 Chestnut Suite 1637
        Abilene, TX 79602
        Shawn@...


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      • brettnbold@aol.com
        AND IF I USE AN ANONYMOUS EMAIL SENDER.... Brett de Rothschild NUTS2U2 LEGAL SERVICES SAN DIEGO, CA 619-264-2660 [Non-text portions of this message have been
        Message 3 of 12 , Jan 29, 2004
          AND IF I USE AN ANONYMOUS EMAIL SENDER....
          Brett de'Rothschild
          NUTS2U2 LEGAL SERVICES
          SAN DIEGO, CA
          619-264-2660


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        • jameswhitccc@aol.com
          Shawn and the rest of the good guys. I am on to finding all kinds of hidden assets of a Very powerful politician. I want to fine an inexpensive way to locate
          Message 4 of 12 , Jan 29, 2004
            Shawn and the rest of the good guys. I am on to finding all kinds of hidden
            assets of a
            Very powerful politician. I want to fine an inexpensive way to locate all of
            his real estate properties. What I have found so far was paid in cash -- a lot
            of cash.

            He and his spouse who don't go by the same last name. They have often used
            both and are together on many of their titles. They have a lot of second trust
            deeds, as well. I don't think that they are legally married, either.

            I want to force him to resign before he becomes even more powerful. I am
            asking you for any information as to how to do nationwide search. So far,
            everything has been too expensive.

            This couple and their children are all bandits. Meaning our money going to
            them. Any suggestions, Jim


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          • CHRISINAD@AOL.COM
            jameswhitccc@aol.com writes: He and his spouse who don t go by the same last name. They have often used both and are together on many of their titles. They
            Message 5 of 12 , Jan 30, 2004
              jameswhitccc@... writes:

              He and his spouse who don't go by the same last name. They have often used
              both and are together on many of their titles. They have a lot of second
              trust
              deeds, as well. I don't think that they are legally married, either.
              What States?


              Chrisina DenBaugh
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              Judgment Recovery Specialists
              Law Offices of Robert N. Campbell
              135 Yorba Street
              Tustin * Ca. * 92780
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            • Shawn Richardson
              ... Such as? If you are referring to hotmail, yahoo, etc. I still have a 70% success rate. E-mail tracing is not always successful, but I have learned from
              Message 6 of 12 , Jan 30, 2004
                >AND IF I USE AN ANONYMOUS EMAIL >SENDER....

                Such as?

                If you are referring to hotmail, yahoo, etc. I still have a 70% success rate. E-mail tracing is not always successful, but I have learned from the best and have experienced a high rate of success. I am always up front with clients about the possibility of success and have many times worked countless hours trying to nail someone, only to finally realize this one got away. When this happens, I generally charge for the initial few hours and eat the rest.

                The hardest thing I have dealt with regarding e-mail tracing is getting judges to understand there is no surefire way to prove, without forensics, that a certain person was the one actually sitting in front of a computer and sending the e-mail.

                I totally nailed a woman who was stalking this family a while back only to have the judge say he wasn't convinced she was the only person who could have done this. Although, client's attorney proved she had the passwords to access the account sending the e-mail and that no one else had the passwords. Some judges just don't get it yet.

                That particular case, though, was a phone testimony. Very difficult to prove your case over the phone.


                I will say, the quicker I am contacted after receiving the e-mail, the better. Also, it is best not to respond before contacting me.

                Just some FYI on e-mail tracing.




                Shawn Richardson
                Investigator/Forensic Data Recovery/E-mail Tracing & Internet Profiling
                Professional Investigative Consultants
                500 Chestnut Suite 1637
                Abilene, TX 79602
                Shawn@...
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                Subject: Re: [infoguys-list] mail tracing



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              • Shawn Richardson
                James, do you have Merlin? That might be a good place to start, although if they are hiding assets, may not be what you need. Merlin does have a national
                Message 7 of 12 , Jan 30, 2004
                  James, do you have Merlin? That might be a good place to start, although if they are hiding assets, may not be what you need. Merlin does have a national property for something like $5.00.


                  Shawn Richardson
                  Investigator/Forensic Data Recovery/E-mail Tracing & Internet Profiling
                  Professional Investigative Consultants
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                  Abilene, TX 79602
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                  From: jameswhitccc@...
                  To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:04 PM
                  Subject: Re: [infoguys-list] mail tracing


                  Shawn and the rest of the good guys. I am on to finding all kinds of hidden
                  assets of a
                  Very powerful politician. I want to fine an inexpensive way to locate all of
                  his real estate properties. What I have found so far was paid in cash -- a lot
                  of cash.

                  He and his spouse who don't go by the same last name. They have often used
                  both and are together on many of their titles. They have a lot of second trust
                  deeds, as well. I don't think that they are legally married, either.

                  I want to force him to resign before he becomes even more powerful. I am
                  asking you for any information as to how to do nationwide search. So far,
                  everything has been too expensive.

                  This couple and their children are all bandits. Meaning our money going to
                  them. Any suggestions, Jim


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                • Vicki Siedow
                  Will a good girl work for you? I have Flat Rate National Property. You d need to run every name and variation, plus there are a lot of areas that are simply
                  Message 8 of 12 , Jan 30, 2004
                    Will a "good girl" work for you? I have Flat Rate National Property. You'd
                    need to run every name and variation, plus there are a lot of areas that are
                    simply not computerized, so would have to be hand searched. Start with
                    address history searches for all name variations to find which are the
                    likely counties for property. Even then they could have trusts that you
                    don't know about. This is pretty simple to do on a fairly superficial
                    basis, but if you want total accuracy you have a pretty huge job. Why are
                    you searching real estate specifically? Would the semi-thorough search work
                    for you? Let me know if you need an assist. Maybe there's an easier way to
                    do what you want.


                    Vicki Siedow
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                    & Custom Legal Support Services
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                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: jameswhitccc@... [mailto:jameswhitccc@...]
                    Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:04 PM
                    To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [infoguys-list] mail tracing

                    Shawn and the rest of the good guys. I am on to finding all kinds of hidden
                    assets of a Very powerful politician. I want to fine an inexpensive way to
                    locate all of his real estate properties. What I have found so far was paid
                    in cash -- a lot of cash.

                    He and his spouse who don't go by the same last name. They have often used
                    both and are together on many of their titles. They have a lot of second
                    trust deeds, as well. I don't think that they are legally married, either.

                    I want to force him to resign before he becomes even more powerful. I am
                    asking you for any information as to how to do nationwide search. So far,
                    everything has been too expensive.

                    This couple and their children are all bandits. Meaning our money going to
                    them. Any suggestions, Jim
                  • Vicki Siedow
                    I had an exception recently, Shawn. We traced the mail to a Kinkos. All their mail goes through their main server. Got the Kinkos people to go through their
                    Message 9 of 12 , Jan 30, 2004
                      I had an exception recently, Shawn. We traced the mail to a Kinkos. All
                      their mail goes through their main server. Got the Kinkos people to go
                      through their records and find out exactly which machine that email at that
                      exact time had been sent, then pulled the security tapes. Got photos of the
                      guy sending the mails on a couple of occasions.

                      Of course the LEO deemed the threats not specific enough, and the client
                      still insisted that we were wrong, because the guy in the photos was a
                      friend of hers and COULDN'T POSSIBLY be the guy.


                      Vicki Siedow
                      Siedow & Associates Investigations
                      & Custom Legal Support Services
                      2629 Foothill Blvd. #262
                      La Crescenta, CA 91214
                      818-242-0130
                      800-448-6431
                      818-688-3295 fax
                      Siedow@...
                      Siedow.LawAndOrder.com
                      CA Lic. PI #22852


                      -----Original Message-----

                      The hardest thing I have dealt with regarding e-mail tracing is getting
                      judges to understand there is no surefire way to prove, without forensics,
                      that a certain person was the one actually sitting in front of a computer
                      and sending the e-mail.
                    • Shawn Richardson
                      That would be an excellent situation. Maybe one day every one will have online cams with time and date stamp. :) What a perfect world that would be. Don t
                      Message 10 of 12 , Jan 30, 2004
                        That would be an excellent situation. Maybe one day every one will have online cams with time and date stamp. :)

                        What a perfect world that would be.

                        Don't you just love it when the client tells you your wrong when you reveal the real culprit.




                        Shawn Richardson
                        Investigator
                        Professional Investigative Consultants
                        500 Chestnut, Suite 1637
                        Abilene, TX 79602
                        (915)676-1999
                        srichpi@...

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: Vicki Siedow
                        To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:09 PM
                        Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] mail tracing


                        I had an exception recently, Shawn. We traced the mail to a Kinkos. All
                        their mail goes through their main server. Got the Kinkos people to go
                        through their records and find out exactly which machine that email at that
                        exact time had been sent, then pulled the security tapes. Got photos of the
                        guy sending the mails on a couple of occasions.

                        Of course the LEO deemed the threats not specific enough, and the client
                        still insisted that we were wrong, because the guy in the photos was a
                        friend of hers and COULDN'T POSSIBLY be the guy.


                        Vicki Siedow
                        Siedow & Associates Investigations
                        & Custom Legal Support Services
                        2629 Foothill Blvd. #262
                        La Crescenta, CA 91214
                        818-242-0130
                        800-448-6431
                        818-688-3295 fax
                        Siedow@...
                        Siedow.LawAndOrder.com
                        CA Lic. PI #22852


                        -----Original Message-----

                        The hardest thing I have dealt with regarding e-mail tracing is getting
                        judges to understand there is no surefire way to prove, without forensics,
                        that a certain person was the one actually sitting in front of a computer
                        and sending the e-mail.





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                      • CHRISINAD@AOL.COM
                        Jim... I would use Dataquick for the property searches you can download deeds, quit claims, refins and all documents online... Will provide service to PIs and
                        Message 11 of 12 , Jan 30, 2004
                          Jim...

                          I would use Dataquick for the property searches you can download deeds,
                          quit claims, refins and all documents online... Will provide service to PIs and
                          has an investigative product that is outstanding... Flatrate is OK but can't
                          be relied on for accuracy and is not as current as Dataquick which runs about 3
                          - 7 days behind. Here is the contact info for Dataquick.

                          http://dataquick.com/invest/
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                          Shawn and the rest of the good guys. I am on to finding all kinds of hidden
                          assets of a Very powerful politician. I want to fine an inexpensive way to
                          locate all of his real estate properties. What I have found so far was paid
                          in cash -- a lot of cash.

                          He and his spouse who don't go by the same last name. They have often used
                          both and are together on many of their titles. They have a lot of second
                          trust deeds, as well. I don't think that they are legally married, either.

                          I want to force him to resign before he becomes even more powerful. I am
                          asking you for any information as to how to do nationwide search. So far,
                          everything has been too expensive.

                          This couple and their children are all bandits. Meaning our money going to
                          them. Any suggestions, Jim

                          Chrisina DenBaugh
                          Supervisor
                          Consulting Services International
                          Judgment Recovery Specialists
                          Law Offices of Robert N. Campbell
                          135 Yorba Street
                          Tustin * Ca. * 92780
                          714-731-4894 direct
                          714-731-3711 law
                          714-731-3757 fax
                          Member: NAIS, GWG, COMW
                          "Love all, Trust a few, Do harm to none"


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                        • RMRI, Inc.
                          ... There are better ways.. If I want to be anonymous, I just telnet to a Unix Shell Account, and then send or browse from there.. Usually I will send the mail
                          Message 12 of 12 , Jan 30, 2004
                            On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 09:37, Shawn Richardson wrote:

                            > >AND IF I USE AN ANONYMOUS EMAIL >SENDER....
                            >
                            > Such as?
                            >
                            > If you are referring to hotmail, yahoo, etc. I still have a 70%
                            > success rate. E-mail tracing is not always successful, but I have
                            > learned from the best and have experienced a high rate of success. I
                            > am always up front with clients about the possibility of success and
                            > have many times worked countless hours trying to nail someone, only to
                            > finally realize this one got away. When this happens, I generally
                            > charge for the initial few hours and eat the rest.


                            There are better ways.. If I want to be anonymous, I just telnet to a
                            Unix Shell Account, and then send or browse from there.. Usually I will
                            send the mail from the Unix Shell Account, because alot of the Unix
                            Shell Accounts have their finger service running.. But I know that I can
                            only be caught with finger if I am actually inside the server, if I log
                            back out I won't show up when the server is fingered.. Someone that
                            REALLY knows what they are doing won't be traced... Let's add on another
                            layer here... What if I were to telnet to a Unix Shell Account, and then
                            go on the internet from there, and then log on to an anonymous account
                            like boxfrog.com and then send an email from that account? Then you have
                            an email being sent from an anonymous account, that was accessed from
                            another server (the Unix Shell Account) that was accessed via telnet
                            from my machine. How would you trace that email?

                            My point is that email tracing is fine for catching the "Internet
                            Novice", but it takes more than the tracing techniques that most P.I.s
                            know to find someone who is really "in the know" about what they are
                            doing, and then it is only a "50/50 shot" at finding the right person.

                            >
                            >
                            > The hardest thing I have dealt with regarding e-mail tracing is
                            > getting judges to understand there is no surefire way to prove,
                            > without forensics, that a certain person was the one actually sitting
                            > in front of a computer and sending the e-mail.


                            And then you still can't really prove it, right? What if the person was
                            smart and dedicated enough to use a machine for just this, and they used
                            a Binary Overwrite with Gutman standards to erase the data with? This is
                            why judges are leary of allowing people to "point the finger" at one
                            person.. There is too many "other possibilities".

                            >
                            > I totally nailed a woman who was stalking this family a while back
                            > only to have the judge say he wasn't convinced she was the only person
                            > who could have done this. Although, client's attorney proved she had
                            > the passwords to access the account sending the e-mail and that no one
                            > else had the passwords. Some judges just don't get it yet.


                            I think that judges may be erring on the side of caution.. Look up a
                            program called "Cain and Able" at www.oxid.it When you get a chance,
                            download it and then find the tab that reads "Dump LSA Secrets" or "LSA
                            Secrets". Look at all for the passwords it dumps off of your
                            computer..... If I had your computer for 15 minutes, and you were on a
                            highspeed connection, I could get most of your passwords... "Local
                            Hacking" is actually pretty easy... Remote "hacking" is not so easy...
                            Some people running Linux are not aware of the fact that now most Linux
                            "flavors" come with "Tight VNC", and if one is not careful, I can take
                            over their Linux box from my Linux Box with "Tight VNC".. Further, I
                            could initiate a download for a program very similar to "Cain and Able"
                            and get most of their passwords.. So, just because I have passwords,
                            does not make me the culprit... I just had a case that I worked where a
                            lady hired me to look at her system to see if her husband was going to
                            "adult sites", and I asked her to drop her firewall for 3 minutes, and I
                            was in... And within 15 minutes, I had her husband's adult site
                            password... Too many "possibilities" still to get a smart judge to go
                            with an email trace, or even forensics for pinpointing who was at the
                            machine... But I do think forensics is great for getting evidence off of
                            the machine that can be used to either prove a person guilty or innocent
                            in court in certain situations..

                            >
                            >
                            > That particular case, though, was a phone testimony. Very difficult
                            > to prove your case over the phone.
                            >
                            >
                            > I will say, the quicker I am contacted after receiving the e-mail, the
                            > better. Also, it is best not to respond before contacting me.
                            >
                            > Just some FYI on e-mail tracing.


                            My point here is this.. A large percentage of the people on the net are
                            just "novices", and then you have a smaller percentage that are "net
                            savvy", and then you have a very small percentage that REALLY know what
                            they are doing on the net.. And that small percentage of people are the
                            ones that most Private Investigators never run up against..

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                            > Shawn Richardson
                            > Investigator/Forensic Data Recovery/E-mail Tracing & Internet
                            > Profiling
                            > Professional Investigative Consultants
                            > 500 Chestnut Suite 1637
                            > Abilene, TX 79602
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