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  • Jurydoctor@aol.com
    ... Did the police use bad tactics? Was there any ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    Message 1 of 2 , Aug 11 8:39 PM
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      > The basic facts of the case are a 40 year old mentally ill son living
      > with his mother, goes off his medication, and hits mom who calls the Police to
      > come and calm him down. They have come out on 5 prior occasions over the
      > last few years and calmed him down.
      >
      > This time when the police arrive, mom comes out of the house to the
      > patrol cars and her son stays on the porch taunting the police with a knife
      > and trash can lid. No one else is at or in the house. After missing him with
      > bean bags they kick the front door down and claim he tries to go at them with
      > the knife.
      >

      Did the police use bad tactics? Was there any
      > failure of the Department to train on handling mentally ill suspects?
      >



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    • Rus B. Robison
      Incomplete information brings a speculative answer. Was he a threat to himself? What happened after they kicked down the door? Unless the is demonstrative
      Message 2 of 2 , Aug 12 7:10 AM
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        Incomplete information brings a speculative answer.

        Was he a threat to himself? What happened after they kicked down the door?

        Unless the is demonstrative evidence that he was a threat to himself, or to
        someone else, but you said no other person was present, time is always on
        the side of law enforcement. Again, with no more history than given, it is
        impossible to say what a "reasonable" person would do under those
        circumstances.

        But, for the sake of discussion, let's say that he was not a threat to
        himself or someone else. What created the urgency to confront the man up
        close and personal? Would his condition worsen hourly by not having his
        medication? With adequate time, would he have calmed down and become
        stable enough to be controlled without harm to himself or others?

        Again, if there was no evidence that an urgent action was required, wait him
        out and try to rationalize with him, just as in a hostage situation. In
        reality, this was a man being held hostage by himself.

        With best regards, I remain...

        Very truly yours,
        RUS B. ROBISON AND ASSOCIATES, INC.
        PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS

        Rus B. Robison

        Rus B. Robison and Associates, Inc.
        Private Investigators
        Post Office Box 720560
        Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73172-0560
        (405) 721-2295 Voice
        (877) 721-2295 Toll-Free

        rbr@...

        Oklahoma's FIRST State Licensed Private Investigation Agency.

        Serving all of Oklahoma and the great Southwest since 1972.


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        >
        > The basic facts of the case are a 40 year old mentally ill son living
        > with his mother, goes off his medication, and hits mom who calls the
        Police to
        > come and calm him down. They have come out on 5 prior occasions over
        the
        > last few years and calmed him down.
        >
        > This time when the police arrive, mom comes out of the house to
        the
        > patrol cars and her son stays on the porch taunting the police with a
        knife
        > and trash can lid. No one else is at or in the house. After missing
        him with
        > bean bags they kick the front door down and claim he tries to go at them
        with
        > the knife.
        >

        Did the police use bad tactics? Was there any
        > failure of the Department to train on handling mentally ill suspects?
        >



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