Re: [infoguys-list] Re: ISPLA News: Bad PI Press
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On Oct 4, 2012, at 0:40, suesarkis@... wrote:
I understand the argument as far as testimony goes, but personally speaking I have ever had a problem with fielding such inquiries on the stand.... You can tell when a Jury is listening to you, if they believe you, if they hold your past indiscretions against you; if you watch them as carefully as they are watching you. I have never gotten the notion that my felony conviction was that much of an obstacle to overcome on the stand... It is what it is.... And I have been GRILLED by Prosecutors over my felony conviction. It just simply did not seem like that significant of an issue to anyone, and you can bet that if I missed something the attorney I was working for was watching the Jury and none of those attorneys missed anything.....
I don't know if any of these people have felonies. But notice that I did quite a bit of prefacing prior to bring up the gist of my post... I do think it is a fair assumption that there are a very few convicted felons in this business, or at least a fairly small percentage. I suspect... Just a suspicion.... But I suspect that you will find that maybe one out of the list Peter gave us has a felony conviction in their past. I also suspect, that prior to Anthony Pelicano's conviction he had no felonies in his background... But you may know this better than I do.... One must keep in mind that even if my suspicions are correct, the incidents we have seen are only an extremely low percentage of total incidents in our business.
I did speak with a Professor in the Sociology Department of Columbia College today. He seemed VERY interested in trying to get a research project started on this very issue, after I bought it to his attention.
Maybe in the not too distant future we will have some research to fall back on, in regards to this topic Sue..........
Ricky B. Gurley
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, suesarkis@... wrote:
> Rick -
> I haven't had the time to respond to your inquiry earlier but I will take a
> few quick seconds to type out a response. I do so because I do not
> totally agree with your presumptions.
> For starters, how positive are you that none of the accused have ever had a
> felony conviction? I'm just curious as to where you got that information.
> Second, I have known quite a few idiots through the years who were able to
> get their PI licenses either back or for the first time post felony
> conviction. A. Michael Pascal from Massachusetts was one who came to CA and
> obtained a license after having been convicted of attempted murder. I find it
> absolutely ludicrous that such an obliquitous person should actually die
> awaiting sentencing in the Los Angeles County Jail after having been convicted
> of murder.
> Another one that comes to mind right away is Andrew Paul Delio. Although
> he has been released from federal custody after having served his more
> recent time, I was shocked that they ever gave him his license back since he was
> convicted back in the 90's for carrying a loaded weapon on an airplane,
> impersonating a federal officer and some other related charges. He was bad
> news then and he's bad news now. I was even angrier with the state (BSIS)
> for allowing him to use a company name of Office of Special Investigations
> while he used the FBI building in West L.A. as his address. Yep, they have
> a post office in their lobby and he had a PO Box there. UGH !!! He was
> also a member of CALI and they didn't seem to mind. UGH again !!!
> Anyway, Rick, the reason why it is not a wise decision for the most part to
> use a convict for your investigations, especially in criminal cases, is
> because of the appearance of impropriety that will be presented to the jury
> by opposing counsel. How can anyone believe a convicted felon is the
> argument that is always presented. How credible can they be?
> Stay healthy and happy !!
> In a message dated 10/2/2012 11:50:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> rmriinc@... writes:
> I want to say something here.... This is a point that I have been trying
> to make for a LONG time.. Now, I can't give you an clear and compelling
> reason for what is happening, or any substance as to why what I am about to
> post is true; but it damned sure seems to be true...
> I first want to thank Peter for tracking these kinds of articles, and I'd
> like to see more of these incidents tracked, perhaps even put in a database
> somewhere.. But I doubt we'll ever see that.... Maybe, I can hope.
> I always see people in our industry STRONGLY advocating that a person with
> a felony conviction should not be in the PI Business. And I realize that
> this post is "self-serving" because I have a felony conviction in my past;
> let me assure you I fully understand that this observation should have come
> from someone else...
> ALL of these "Dipsticks" listed below in Peter's articles did NOT have a
> felony conviction on their record.. Nor did Anthony Pellicano at the time of
> his charges... Yet these are the people that are committing crimes in our
> business, abusing their licensing "privileges", and just plain old acting
> It seems to me that a felony conviction in no way can predict if a person
> with a PI License will behave irresponsibly in the PI Business. It seems to
> me that the people that ARE behaving irresponsibly are the people with
> what appears to be "clean backgrounds". I don't know why? I am not saying that
> having a felony in your background is an indicator that you WON'T screw
> up. I am not saying that if you have a clean background people should be
> skeptical of you.. But the stats seem to indicate that most of the people that
> are behaving badly in our profession is the people that have backgrounds
> that indicate that they would NOT behave badly in this profession.
> Perhaps the person with the felony in their background may be inclined to
> be a little more careful about how they conduct theirselves because they
> already have "one strike against them"?
> I'd like someone to find all of the incidents like these shown below and
> and average out how many of them were committed by felons in the PI Business
> and how many were committed by non-felons in the Pi Business; and give a
> percentage of how many felons with PI Licenses are actually re-offending
> when they are given a second chance and are allowed to have a PI License, and
> I suspect for that matter any type of a professional license..
> I think it is too early to draw any conclusions, but I think this might be
> a GOOD study project to suggest for a sociology student at a college. I
> may just do that.....
> Ricky B. Gurley
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> (mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org) , "Peter Psarouthakis" <peter@> wrote:
> > September was not a great press month for the Private Investigation
> > profession. Below are just some of the negative press stories reported on
> > around the country last month. With Congress and most state legislatures
> > currently on recess until after the elections it is important to be
> aware of
> > these types of events if you or your state associations are working on
> > type of legislative agendas. Rest assured that those groups that
> > oppose the investigation profession are monitoring these types of media
> > coverage and will use them to their advantage if given the
> > opportunity.-ISPLA
> (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/christopher-butler_n_1917683.html) >
> > OAKLAND, CA - A disgraced former California police officer involved in
> > sensational "Dirty DUIs" scandal in which he acknowledged stealing drugs
> > from law enforcement and setting up men for drunken driving arrests was
> > sentenced to eight years in federal prison. Christopher Butler was
> > recently after he pleaded guilty in May to robbery, conspiracy and
> > as part of a plea deal. The 51-year-old former Antioch police
> > officer-turned-private investigator also was at the center of the drug
> > force scandal in Contra Costa County. In a federal indictment filed
> > a California attorney charged with conspiracy to unlawfully intercept
> > communications, Butler is identified as having installed listening
> > in vehicles and in cellular phones.
> > ator-accused-of-stalking-ex-wife.html?nav=742>
> > tor-accused-of-stalking-ex-wife.html?nav=742
> > ALTOONA, PA - A private investigator is free on bail after his arrest for
> > allegedly stalking his ex-wife.
> > ling-wealthy-peoples-personal-info#.UGDOIpuoY8A.mailto>
> > ing-wealthy-peoples-personal-info#.UGDOIpuoY8A.mailto
> > MEMPHIS, TN - Charged with stealing and selling wealthy people's
> > information, Dennis Clark is a private investigator who has been
> licensed in
> > the state of Tennessee since May 1993. The secret service says he was
> > his access for ill-gotten gains. Now, Clark is charged with identity
> > and computer crimes. He is in jail on a $100,000 bond.
> > -3872765.php>
> > 3872765.php
> > BROOKLYN, NY - A private investigator has been charged by state officials
> > with professional misconduct for allegedly threatening and intimidating
> > witnesses in violation of the law in a NXIVM - related legal proceeding,
> > according to a complaint from the NY Department of State. As a result,
> > Steven P. Rombom must appear before a state administrative law tribunal
> > Albany, NY on Oct. 25, 2012.
> > n-case.html>
> > -case.html
> > PORTLAND, ME - A new judge, Justice Nancy Mills, has been assigned in a
> > prostitution case. Mark Strong, a 57-year-old Thomaston insurance agent
> > private investigator, is charged with promotion of prostitution, a
> > misdemeanor.
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