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  • BILLH
    Group... I would like to introduce the Confidential Intelligence Network Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases that you have access
    Message 1 of 16 , Mar 15 1:11 PM
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      Group...

      I would like to introduce the "Confidential Intelligence Network"

      Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases
      that you have access to, such as IRB, Locate plus, and Merlin Data,
      to name a few. Well CIN has Access to deeper info, thats better. You
      will not have to pay a monthly fee, just pay per call. "We are NOT
      a Reseller of any Database".

      You will also receive a consultation reading of your purchased
      report, showing you how to proceed with the info provided. We also
      help you devise a pretext for your specific needs, if its for a
      legal/permissable reason, such as Insurance Fraud Investigations.

      We have POE searchs, Current Debt searchs, CNA phone searchs, GLB
      compliant Financial searchs, Utility record searchs, Email tracing,
      International searchs, Plus alot more...

      We will also help Consult on the info that you already have
      purchased from your own DB source. Helping you with over 60 years
      of combined Investigative experience, to understand, and proceed
      with your case in a Professional manner.

      The pricing is set to what is agreed upon at the time of the
      consultation. The call is free, so after we agree upon a price
      for services rendered, your Credit card is debited by AT&T, all
      of your Financial info is collected by them. We do not have access
      to any Financial info. Most pricing will be in the range of $10.oo
      and up, depending on your needs.

      So if you have a need for such a service, or you have any
      questions, please contact us asap.

      Confidential Intelligence Network
      POB 407
      SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
      253-862-3037 Voice
      888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
      consources@...
      http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
      Bill Hearn
    • dcc7
      Bill: You do know that you need a PI license to offer these services, don t you? Anyone who buys these services - and you - will have committed a class A
      Message 2 of 16 , Mar 16 4:31 PM
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        Bill:

        You do know that you need a PI license to offer these services, don't you? Anyone who buys these services - and you - will have committed a class A misdemeanor and possibly class E felony, depending on the state.

        David Childe, CFA
        Legal Research & Investigation
        Memphis, TN 38103
        Licensed



        --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com, "BILLH" <consources@...> wrote:
        >
        > Group...
        >
        > I would like to introduce the "Confidential Intelligence Network"
        >
        > Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases
        > that you have access to, such as IRB, Locate plus, and Merlin Data,
        > to name a few. Well CIN has Access to deeper info, thats better. You
        > will not have to pay a monthly fee, just pay per call. "We are NOT
        > a Reseller of any Database".
        >
        > You will also receive a consultation reading of your purchased
        > report, showing you how to proceed with the info provided. We also
        > help you devise a pretext for your specific needs, if its for a
        > legal/permissable reason, such as Insurance Fraud Investigations.
        >
        > We have POE searchs, Current Debt searchs, CNA phone searchs, GLB
        > compliant Financial searchs, Utility record searchs, Email tracing,
        > International searchs, Plus alot more...
        >
        > We will also help Consult on the info that you already have
        > purchased from your own DB source. Helping you with over 60 years
        > of combined Investigative experience, to understand, and proceed
        > with your case in a Professional manner.
        >
        > The pricing is set to what is agreed upon at the time of the
        > consultation. The call is free, so after we agree upon a price
        > for services rendered, your Credit card is debited by AT&T, all
        > of your Financial info is collected by them. We do not have access
        > to any Financial info. Most pricing will be in the range of $10.oo
        > and up, depending on your needs.
        >
        > So if you have a need for such a service, or you have any
        > questions, please contact us asap.
        >
        > Confidential Intelligence Network
        > POB 407
        > SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
        > 253-862-3037 Voice
        > 888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
        > consources@...
        > http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
        > Bill Hearn
        >
      • TSCM/SO Group
        Not true. Complete BS. He s not offering investigation services to the public, he s offering research to licensed entities. It s no different in simple form
        Message 3 of 16 , Mar 16 6:42 PM
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          Not true. Complete BS.

          He's not offering investigation services to the public, he's offering
          research to licensed entities. It's no different in simple form than what
          most data providers offer It's the same as offering access to his own
          personal up to date nationwide directory of xyz that he's compiled. He never
          meets w a client off the street or subject or conducts an investigation, the
          requester of information is the one he deals with.

          Violations in TCA 62- etc are a class a misdemeanors, not felonies. Civil
          fines are assessed based on other criteria, not data brokering.

          FWIW Here's a good example of why guys like bill are great to utilize:

          Atty A needs specific data to help his client and case, instead of handing
          out a hundred subpoenas, or beating a paralegal into making thousands of
          phone calls( all billed at .25 of the hourly),atty a calls his PI and says I
          need specific data. What you find for me will help simplify my chase, and
          narrow it down to 1,and keep me from losing another paralegal.

          A simple fax call or email to someone like bill that yields successful
          results is a win win. Once the atty gets what he needs, it his under his
          work product doctrine. No one's going to jail, or getting fined for using
          bill or any other co like him. It's what you do with your Intel after you
          get it that counts.



          One thing that bill offers that others don't, is that he'll show you how to
          conduct your own data mining. for a reasonable fee.

          What IRB doesn't tell you is how they sell accublaht nextus lextus to law
          firms which means a huge loss to all PI's who run subject locates and more w
          IRB. That cost us a lot in fees.IRB doesn't have a TN PI license nor do
          their employees under IRB ,yet they sell data in TN as well....Class A mis
          or E felony,

          If I missed something show me the (*&(* law that says it's illegal to use
          the Confidential Intelligence network, or anything similar...



          Group note: My reply was written as a tribute to Barry Kinter, long and
          precise. My analogies only serve to help some of those that spend time
          debating why you have to hit start to shutdown windows, AND Bill Hearn likes
          to help PI's, without earning a dime sometimes, unlike some PI's who like to
          fleece others ( not referring to you David).

          We lost cell records because of greed, the only thing that bothered me about
          it was that the folks that started the crap over it were from our own
          industry. Some are the same ones that import their crap from china, and use
          emperors clothes tactics to sell it to the unknowing. Point is they got
          involved in crap they should have left alone,and instead created a ruckus
          with self promotion at interest.

          Guys like Bill are not just great assets to have, but demonstrate true
          character. Guys w true character are great to have on any team because we've
          already been flooded with "characters".

          There are good data folks out there,along with Bill,that do the same as
          Bill, that aren't guilty of anything except being diligent.

          About a year ago we were helping a family pro bono to find their son, a US
          navy sailor, who went missing. Bill was the first to step up and call me,on
          his own, and offer anything I needed without a single reference to
          money.THATS Character. I didn't get that from the big data provider. Just
          another invoice..

          Rant mode off, have to feed a monkey with a slingshot







          Mitch Davis

          TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.

          20 Music Square West,Suite 208

          Nashville, TN. 37203 USA

          615.251.0441

          Fax 615.523.0300

          www.tscmusa.com



          ***********************************

          "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"

          *****************************************



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          From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@...]
          Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:32 PM
          To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"





          Bill:

          You do know that you need a PI license to offer these services, don't you?
          Anyone who buys these services - and you - will have committed a class A
          misdemeanor and possibly class E felony, depending on the state.

          David Childe, CFA
          Legal Research & Investigation
          Memphis, TN 38103
          Licensed

          --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
          <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "BILLH" <consources@...> wrote:
          >
          > Group...
          >
          > I would like to introduce the "Confidential Intelligence Network"
          >
          > Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases
          > that you have access to, such as IRB, Locate plus, and Merlin Data,
          > to name a few. Well CIN has Access to deeper info, thats better. You
          > will not have to pay a monthly fee, just pay per call. "We are NOT
          > a Reseller of any Database".
          >
          > You will also receive a consultation reading of your purchased
          > report, showing you how to proceed with the info provided. We also
          > help you devise a pretext for your specific needs, if its for a
          > legal/permissable reason, such as Insurance Fraud Investigations.
          >
          > We have POE searchs, Current Debt searchs, CNA phone searchs, GLB
          > compliant Financial searchs, Utility record searchs, Email tracing,
          > International searchs, Plus alot more...
          >
          > We will also help Consult on the info that you already have
          > purchased from your own DB source. Helping you with over 60 years
          > of combined Investigative experience, to understand, and proceed
          > with your case in a Professional manner.
          >
          > The pricing is set to what is agreed upon at the time of the
          > consultation. The call is free, so after we agree upon a price
          > for services rendered, your Credit card is debited by AT&T, all
          > of your Financial info is collected by them. We do not have access
          > to any Financial info. Most pricing will be in the range of $10.oo
          > and up, depending on your needs.
          >
          > So if you have a need for such a service, or you have any
          > questions, please contact us asap.
          >
          > Confidential Intelligence Network
          > POB 407
          > SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
          > 253-862-3037 Voice
          > 888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
          > consources@...
          > http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
          > Bill Hearn
          >





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        • Gregory Martinez
          Me and Bill Hearn had a nice phone chat on the PI business. I told him how I was just starting out after 30 years as a state investigator. The discussion was
          Message 4 of 16 , Mar 16 8:29 PM
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            Me and Bill Hearn had a nice phone chat on the PI business. I told him how I was just starting out after 30 years as a state investigator. The discussion was well over 1/2 an hour. He made no real attempt sell me on what he does, in fact he mostly gave me free advise on getting clients and we discussed some of the specialized databases out there. One in particular he suggested, Microbilt. I contacted Microbilt, they are expensive, particularly if you want to have credit report info. Nevertheless, I appreciated the time Bill spent chatting with a new boy on the block. I can not speak to the actual resources he provides since I have not used him yet. However, based on my conversation with him I do not rule out using his expertise and resources, my finances permitting.

            As residents of our respective states we are each liable to the laws of our states on what services we provide, be they informational, educational, or investigatory.



            "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
            [John 8:32 - KJV]
            ------------------------------
            Gregory A. Martinez
            Private Investigator
            NYS PI lD#: 11000157180
            Tel: 631.543.1909

            http://web.me.com/gregmartinez
























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          • milgrp2001@aol.com
            In a message dated 3/17/2011 3:34:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com writes: I can not speak to the actual resources he provides
            Message 5 of 16 , Mar 17 4:38 AM
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              In a message dated 3/17/2011 3:34:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
              infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com writes:

              I can not speak to the actual resources he provides since I have not used
              him yet.



              Gregory:

              I CAN speak to the quality of the resources and the resultant information
              provided by the Confidential Intelligence Network -- in a word, excellent!
              Bill has assisted us on numerous occasions and, without exception, he has
              produced quality results, quickly, at a very reasonable price. I would
              encourage you and any other P.I. to contact Bill and his group re any
              investigative chores that you may be too busy for or that may be outside your
              particular area of expertise.


              Regards,
              Brad Robinson, Senior Partner
              The Millennium Group
              120 S. Olive Ave., Suite 310
              West Palm Beach, FL 33401
              Tel. (561) 655-2001
              Fax: (561) 655-2010
              www.MillenniumGroup2001.com
              "Florida-based -- internationally connected"


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            • dcc7
              Just look up the definition of investigation in the TN statute. Hearn operates mainly by using pretexts. He is certainly not spending millions of dollars
              Message 6 of 16 , Mar 17 5:32 AM
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                Just look up the definition of "investigation" in the TN statute. Hearn operates mainly by using pretexts. He is certainly not spending millions of dollars putting together a database of his own to compete against IRB. Helping you find your subject clearly falls under the definition of investigation in Tennessee. It doesn't matter that you are licensed.

                David Childe, CFA
                Legal Research & Investigation
                Memphis, TN 38103
                Licensed in TN

                --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com, "TSCM/SO Group" <MitchD@...> wrote:
                >
                > Not true. Complete BS.
                >
                > He's not offering investigation services to the public, he's offering
                > research to licensed entities. It's no different in simple form than what
                > most data providers offer It's the same as offering access to his own
                > personal up to date nationwide directory of xyz that he's compiled. He never
                > meets w a client off the street or subject or conducts an investigation, the
                > requester of information is the one he deals with.
                >
                > Violations in TCA 62- etc are a class a misdemeanors, not felonies. Civil
                > fines are assessed based on other criteria, not data brokering.
                >
                > FWIW Here's a good example of why guys like bill are great to utilize:
                >
                > Atty A needs specific data to help his client and case, instead of handing
                > out a hundred subpoenas, or beating a paralegal into making thousands of
                > phone calls( all billed at .25 of the hourly),atty a calls his PI and says I
                > need specific data. What you find for me will help simplify my chase, and
                > narrow it down to 1,and keep me from losing another paralegal.
                >
                > A simple fax call or email to someone like bill that yields successful
                > results is a win win. Once the atty gets what he needs, it his under his
                > work product doctrine. No one's going to jail, or getting fined for using
                > bill or any other co like him. It's what you do with your Intel after you
                > get it that counts.
                >
                >
                >
                > One thing that bill offers that others don't, is that he'll show you how to
                > conduct your own data mining. for a reasonable fee.
                >
                > What IRB doesn't tell you is how they sell accublaht nextus lextus to law
                > firms which means a huge loss to all PI's who run subject locates and more w
                > IRB. That cost us a lot in fees.IRB doesn't have a TN PI license nor do
                > their employees under IRB ,yet they sell data in TN as well....Class A mis
                > or E felony,
                >
                > If I missed something show me the (*&(* law that says it's illegal to use
                > the Confidential Intelligence network, or anything similar...
                >
                >
                >
                > Group note: My reply was written as a tribute to Barry Kinter, long and
                > precise. My analogies only serve to help some of those that spend time
                > debating why you have to hit start to shutdown windows, AND Bill Hearn likes
                > to help PI's, without earning a dime sometimes, unlike some PI's who like to
                > fleece others ( not referring to you David).
                >
                > We lost cell records because of greed, the only thing that bothered me about
                > it was that the folks that started the crap over it were from our own
                > industry. Some are the same ones that import their crap from china, and use
                > emperors clothes tactics to sell it to the unknowing. Point is they got
                > involved in crap they should have left alone,and instead created a ruckus
                > with self promotion at interest.
                >
                > Guys like Bill are not just great assets to have, but demonstrate true
                > character. Guys w true character are great to have on any team because we've
                > already been flooded with "characters".
                >
                > There are good data folks out there,along with Bill,that do the same as
                > Bill, that aren't guilty of anything except being diligent.
                >
                > About a year ago we were helping a family pro bono to find their son, a US
                > navy sailor, who went missing. Bill was the first to step up and call me,on
                > his own, and offer anything I needed without a single reference to
                > money.THATS Character. I didn't get that from the big data provider. Just
                > another invoice..
                >
                > Rant mode off, have to feed a monkey with a slingshot
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Mitch Davis
                >
                > TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
                >
                > 20 Music Square West,Suite 208
                >
                > Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
                >
                > 615.251.0441
                >
                > Fax 615.523.0300
                >
                > www.tscmusa.com
                >
                >
                >
                > ***********************************
                >
                > "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"
                >
                > *****************************************
                >
                >
                >
                > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to
                > which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,
                > confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader
                > of this message is not the intended recipient or agent responsible for
                > delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
                > that any dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly
                > prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error,
                > please delete it from your system without copying it and notify the sender
                > by reply e-mail so that the email address record can be corrected. Thank
                > you.
                >
                >
                >
                > From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@...]
                > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:32 PM
                > To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Bill:
                >
                > You do know that you need a PI license to offer these services, don't you?
                > Anyone who buys these services - and you - will have committed a class A
                > misdemeanor and possibly class E felony, depending on the state.
                >
                > David Childe, CFA
                > Legal Research & Investigation
                > Memphis, TN 38103
                > Licensed
                >
                > --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                > <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "BILLH" <consources@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Group...
                > >
                > > I would like to introduce the "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                > >
                > > Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases
                > > that you have access to, such as IRB, Locate plus, and Merlin Data,
                > > to name a few. Well CIN has Access to deeper info, thats better. You
                > > will not have to pay a monthly fee, just pay per call. "We are NOT
                > > a Reseller of any Database".
                > >
                > > You will also receive a consultation reading of your purchased
                > > report, showing you how to proceed with the info provided. We also
                > > help you devise a pretext for your specific needs, if its for a
                > > legal/permissable reason, such as Insurance Fraud Investigations.
                > >
                > > We have POE searchs, Current Debt searchs, CNA phone searchs, GLB
                > > compliant Financial searchs, Utility record searchs, Email tracing,
                > > International searchs, Plus alot more...
                > >
                > > We will also help Consult on the info that you already have
                > > purchased from your own DB source. Helping you with over 60 years
                > > of combined Investigative experience, to understand, and proceed
                > > with your case in a Professional manner.
                > >
                > > The pricing is set to what is agreed upon at the time of the
                > > consultation. The call is free, so after we agree upon a price
                > > for services rendered, your Credit card is debited by AT&T, all
                > > of your Financial info is collected by them. We do not have access
                > > to any Financial info. Most pricing will be in the range of $10.oo
                > > and up, depending on your needs.
                > >
                > > So if you have a need for such a service, or you have any
                > > questions, please contact us asap.
                > >
                > > Confidential Intelligence Network
                > > POB 407
                > > SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                > > 253-862-3037 Voice
                > > 888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                > > consources@
                > > http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                > > Bill Hearn
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
              • BILL HEARN
                Group...                               First Id like to apoligize for this guy being on ANY group. Hes like the monkey in a cage...
                Message 7 of 16 , Mar 17 10:05 AM
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                  Group...
                   
                                              First Id like to apoligize for this guy being on ANY group. Hes like the monkey in a cage... enough said. People that were banned from one Industry, should not be able to work in OUR industry . I am not doing Investigative work, just sell expertise in a field that he cant compete in.  I will ask you all to forgive this misguided soul for filling your inbox with his misguided slurs about Me and my Teachings.
                   
                                              Second, I have a Lic. PI in Calif. that I work for in conjunction with the
                  Confidential Intelligence Network, just for monkeys that want to smear their s#*t on all
                  of our parades. The Confidential Intelligence Network is a Consulting  platform for people in the industry who are either new/inexperienced, or cant afford the Monthly fees of the DBs.
                  We have over 80 years of combined investigative experience to consult on every aspect of the Investigative/Recovery Industry. Two of three consultants are Lic. PIs in Ca. and OR.
                  If you would like to find out Who They Are, Please give me a call and we'll Talk.
                   
                                              As for these attacks on me by the monkeys of the groups. I have only
                  one thing to say... your existence on these groups will be the comedy of errors, that we all
                  will get a big chuckle from. Life is hard enough to deal with, without people like the monkey
                  spouting their inexperience/ignorance to a group of hard working professionals, that know more than they ever will.
                   
                   
                   Confidential Intelligence Network
                  POB 407
                  SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                  253-862-3037 Voice
                  888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                  consources@...
                  http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                  Bill Hearn


                   
                   
                   
                   
                   


                  --- On Thu, 3/17/11, dcc7 <childe@...> wrote:


                  From: dcc7 <childe@...>
                  Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                  To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 5:32 AM


                   



                  Just look up the definition of "investigation" in the TN statute. Hearn operates mainly by using pretexts. He is certainly not spending millions of dollars putting together a database of his own to compete against IRB. Helping you find your subject clearly falls under the definition of investigation in Tennessee. It doesn't matter that you are licensed.

                  David Childe, CFA
                  Legal Research & Investigation
                  Memphis, TN 38103
                  Licensed in TN

                  --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com, "TSCM/SO Group" <MitchD@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Not true. Complete BS.
                  >
                  > He's not offering investigation services to the public, he's offering
                  > research to licensed entities. It's no different in simple form than what
                  > most data providers offer It's
                  the same as offering access to his own
                  > personal up to date nationwide directory of xyz that he's compiled. He never
                  > meets w a client off the street or subject or conducts an investigation, the
                  > requester of information is the one he deals with.
                  >
                  > Violations in TCA 62- etc are a class a misdemeanors, not felonies. Civil
                  > fines are assessed based on other criteria, not data brokering.
                  >
                  > FWIW Here's a good example of why guys like bill are great to utilize:
                  >
                  > Atty A needs specific data to help his client and case, instead of handing
                  > out a hundred subpoenas, or beating a paralegal into making thousands of
                  > phone calls( all billed at .25 of the hourly),atty a calls his PI and says I
                  > need specific data. What you find for me will help simplify my chase, and
                  > narrow it down to 1,and keep me from losing another paralegal.
                  >
                  > A simple fax call or
                  email to someone like bill that yields successful
                  > results is a win win. Once the atty gets what he needs, it his under his
                  > work product doctrine. No one's going to jail, or getting fined for using
                  > bill or any other co like him. It's what you do with your Intel after you
                  > get it that counts.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > One thing that bill offers that others don't, is that he'll show you how to
                  > conduct your own data mining. for a reasonable fee.
                  >
                  > What IRB doesn't tell you is how they sell accublaht nextus lextus to law
                  > firms which means a huge loss to all PI's who run subject locates and more w
                  > IRB. That cost us a lot in fees.IRB doesn't have a TN PI license nor do
                  > their employees under IRB ,yet they sell data in TN as well....Class A mis
                  > or E felony,
                  >
                  > If I missed something show me the (*&(* law that says it's illegal to use
                  > the
                  Confidential Intelligence network, or anything similar...
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Group note: My reply was written as a tribute to Barry Kinter, long and
                  > precise. My analogies only serve to help some of those that spend time
                  > debating why you have to hit start to shutdown windows, AND Bill Hearn likes
                  > to help PI's, without earning a dime sometimes, unlike some PI's who like to
                  > fleece others ( not referring to you David).
                  >
                  > We lost cell records because of greed, the only thing that bothered me about
                  > it was that the folks that started the crap over it were from our own
                  > industry. Some are the same ones that import their crap from china, and use
                  > emperors clothes tactics to sell it to the unknowing. Point is they got
                  > involved in crap they should have left alone,and instead created a ruckus
                  > with self promotion at interest.
                  >
                  > Guys like Bill are not
                  just great assets to have, but demonstrate true
                  > character. Guys w true character are great to have on any team because we've
                  > already been flooded with "characters".
                  >
                  > There are good data folks out there,along with Bill,that do the same as
                  > Bill, that aren't guilty of anything except being diligent.
                  >
                  > About a year ago we were helping a family pro bono to find their son, a US
                  > navy sailor, who went missing. Bill was the first to step up and call me,on
                  > his own, and offer anything I needed without a single reference to
                  > money.THATS Character. I didn't get that from the big data provider. Just
                  > another invoice..
                  >
                  > Rant mode off, have to feed a monkey with a slingshot
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Mitch Davis
                  >
                  > TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
                  >
                  > 20 Music Square West,Suite 208
                  >

                  > Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
                  >
                  > 615.251.0441
                  >
                  > Fax 615.523.0300
                  >
                  > www.tscmusa.com
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ***********************************
                  >
                  > "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"
                  >
                  > *****************************************
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to
                  > which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,
                  > confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader
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                  >
                  > From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@...]
                  > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:32 PM
                  > To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Bill:
                  >
                  > You do know that you need a PI license to offer these services, don't you?
                  > Anyone who buys these services - and you - will have committed a class A
                  > misdemeanor and possibly class E felony, depending on the state.
                  >
                  > David Childe, CFA
                  > Legal Research & Investigation
                  > Memphis, TN 38103
                  > Licensed
                  >
                  > --- In
                  infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                  > <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "BILLH" <consources@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Group...
                  > >
                  > > I would like to introduce the "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                  > >
                  > > Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases
                  > > that you have access to, such as IRB, Locate plus, and Merlin Data,
                  > > to name a few. Well CIN has Access to deeper info, thats better. You
                  > > will not have to pay a monthly fee, just pay per call. "We are NOT
                  > > a Reseller of any Database".
                  > >
                  > > You will also receive a consultation reading of your purchased
                  > > report, showing you how to proceed with the info provided. We also

                  > > help you devise a pretext for your specific needs, if its for a
                  > > legal/permissable reason, such as Insurance Fraud Investigations.
                  > >
                  > > We have POE searchs, Current Debt searchs, CNA phone searchs, GLB
                  > > compliant Financial searchs, Utility record searchs, Email tracing,
                  > > International searchs, Plus alot more...
                  > >
                  > > We will also help Consult on the info that you already have
                  > > purchased from your own DB source. Helping you with over 60 years
                  > > of combined Investigative experience, to understand, and proceed
                  > > with your case in a Professional manner.
                  > >
                  > > The pricing is set to what is agreed upon at the time of the
                  > > consultation. The call is free, so after we agree upon a price
                  > > for services rendered, your Credit card is debited by AT&T, all
                  > > of your Financial info
                  is collected by them. We do not have access
                  > > to any Financial info. Most pricing will be in the range of $10.oo
                  > > and up, depending on your needs.
                  > >
                  > > So if you have a need for such a service, or you have any
                  > > questions, please contact us asap.
                  > >
                  > > Confidential Intelligence Network
                  > > POB 407
                  > > SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                  > > 253-862-3037 Voice
                  > > 888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                  > > consources@
                  > > http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                  > > Bill Hearn
                  > >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >
                • TSCM/SO Group
                  I know the PI laws very well.. Again Bill Hearn doesn t run investigations and has more than an armful of reasons to be able to locate or assist with a
                  Message 8 of 16 , Mar 17 11:54 AM
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                    I know the PI laws very well.. Again Bill Hearn doesn't run investigations
                    and has more than an armful of reasons to be able to locate or assist with a
                    subject locate Pre texting goes on in all arenas. You have an article on
                    your website that indicates you use them as well, so what's the point about
                    pretexting???

                    How much money he spends on resources is his business. Paying someone for
                    information regardless of where it comes from doesn't constitute an
                    investigation. Paying someone for intellectual property is different than
                    paying someone for PI services.

                    I would think that you would have more to do with your time than blast Bill
                    Hearn. If you actually conduct real world research you would never dismiss
                    an asset or source of information. This isn't wall street with ego money and
                    antics or a collection business using old phonebooks with limited resources.
                    If you have a bone to pick with Bill Hearn, do us a favor and take it off
                    list. And for the record, anyone using bill Hearn or any other data broker
                    or information provider isn't guilty of anything except for doing a better
                    job for a client..



                    Mitch Davis

                    TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.

                    20 Music Square West,Suite 208

                    Nashville, TN. 37203 USA

                    615.251.0441

                    Fax 615.523.0300

                    www.tscmusa.com



                    ***********************************

                    "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"

                    *****************************************



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                    From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@...]
                    Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 7:32 AM
                    To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"





                    Just look up the definition of "investigation" in the TN statute. Hearn
                    operates mainly by using pretexts. He is certainly not spending millions of
                    dollars putting together a database of his own to compete against IRB.
                    Helping you find your subject clearly falls under the definition of
                    investigation in Tennessee. It doesn't matter that you are licensed.

                    David Childe, CFA
                    Legal Research & Investigation
                    Memphis, TN 38103
                    Licensed in TN

                    --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                    <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "TSCM/SO Group" <MitchD@...>
                    wrote:
                    >
                    > Not true. Complete BS.
                    >
                    > He's not offering investigation services to the public, he's offering
                    > research to licensed entities. It's no different in simple form than what
                    > most data providers offer It's the same as offering access to his own
                    > personal up to date nationwide directory of xyz that he's compiled. He
                    never
                    > meets w a client off the street or subject or conducts an investigation,
                    the
                    > requester of information is the one he deals with.
                    >
                    > Violations in TCA 62- etc are a class a misdemeanors, not felonies. Civil
                    > fines are assessed based on other criteria, not data brokering.
                    >
                    > FWIW Here's a good example of why guys like bill are great to utilize:
                    >
                    > Atty A needs specific data to help his client and case, instead of handing
                    > out a hundred subpoenas, or beating a paralegal into making thousands of
                    > phone calls( all billed at .25 of the hourly),atty a calls his PI and says
                    I
                    > need specific data. What you find for me will help simplify my chase, and
                    > narrow it down to 1,and keep me from losing another paralegal.
                    >
                    > A simple fax call or email to someone like bill that yields successful
                    > results is a win win. Once the atty gets what he needs, it his under his
                    > work product doctrine. No one's going to jail, or getting fined for using
                    > bill or any other co like him. It's what you do with your Intel after you
                    > get it that counts.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > One thing that bill offers that others don't, is that he'll show you how
                    to
                    > conduct your own data mining. for a reasonable fee.
                    >
                    > What IRB doesn't tell you is how they sell accublaht nextus lextus to law
                    > firms which means a huge loss to all PI's who run subject locates and more
                    w
                    > IRB. That cost us a lot in fees.IRB doesn't have a TN PI license nor do
                    > their employees under IRB ,yet they sell data in TN as well....Class A mis
                    > or E felony,
                    >
                    > If I missed something show me the (*&(* law that says it's illegal to use
                    > the Confidential Intelligence network, or anything similar...
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Group note: My reply was written as a tribute to Barry Kinter, long and
                    > precise. My analogies only serve to help some of those that spend time
                    > debating why you have to hit start to shutdown windows, AND Bill Hearn
                    likes
                    > to help PI's, without earning a dime sometimes, unlike some PI's who like
                    to
                    > fleece others ( not referring to you David).
                    >
                    > We lost cell records because of greed, the only thing that bothered me
                    about
                    > it was that the folks that started the crap over it were from our own
                    > industry. Some are the same ones that import their crap from china, and
                    use
                    > emperors clothes tactics to sell it to the unknowing. Point is they got
                    > involved in crap they should have left alone,and instead created a ruckus
                    > with self promotion at interest.
                    >
                    > Guys like Bill are not just great assets to have, but demonstrate true
                    > character. Guys w true character are great to have on any team because
                    we've
                    > already been flooded with "characters".
                    >
                    > There are good data folks out there,along with Bill,that do the same as
                    > Bill, that aren't guilty of anything except being diligent.
                    >
                    > About a year ago we were helping a family pro bono to find their son, a US
                    > navy sailor, who went missing. Bill was the first to step up and call
                    me,on
                    > his own, and offer anything I needed without a single reference to
                    > money.THATS Character. I didn't get that from the big data provider. Just
                    > another invoice..
                    >
                    > Rant mode off, have to feed a monkey with a slingshot
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Mitch Davis
                    >
                    > TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
                    >
                    > 20 Music Square West,Suite 208
                    >
                    > Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
                    >
                    > 615.251.0441
                    >
                    > Fax 615.523.0300
                    >
                    > www.tscmusa.com
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ***********************************
                    >
                    > "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"
                    >
                    > *****************************************
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to
                    > which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,
                    > confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the
                    reader
                    > of this message is not the intended recipient or agent responsible for
                    > delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
                    > that any dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly
                    > prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error,
                    > please delete it from your system without copying it and notify the sender
                    > by reply e-mail so that the email address record can be corrected. Thank
                    > you.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@...]
                    > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:32 PM
                    > To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>

                    > Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Bill:
                    >
                    > You do know that you need a PI license to offer these services, don't you?
                    > Anyone who buys these services - and you - will have committed a class A
                    > misdemeanor and possibly class E felony, depending on the state.
                    >
                    > David Childe, CFA
                    > Legal Research & Investigation
                    > Memphis, TN 38103
                    > Licensed
                    >
                    > --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                    <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "BILLH" <consources@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Group...
                    > >
                    > > I would like to introduce the "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                    > >
                    > > Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases
                    > > that you have access to, such as IRB, Locate plus, and Merlin Data,
                    > > to name a few. Well CIN has Access to deeper info, thats better. You
                    > > will not have to pay a monthly fee, just pay per call. "We are NOT
                    > > a Reseller of any Database".
                    > >
                    > > You will also receive a consultation reading of your purchased
                    > > report, showing you how to proceed with the info provided. We also
                    > > help you devise a pretext for your specific needs, if its for a
                    > > legal/permissable reason, such as Insurance Fraud Investigations.
                    > >
                    > > We have POE searchs, Current Debt searchs, CNA phone searchs, GLB
                    > > compliant Financial searchs, Utility record searchs, Email tracing,
                    > > International searchs, Plus alot more...
                    > >
                    > > We will also help Consult on the info that you already have
                    > > purchased from your own DB source. Helping you with over 60 years
                    > > of combined Investigative experience, to understand, and proceed
                    > > with your case in a Professional manner.
                    > >
                    > > The pricing is set to what is agreed upon at the time of the
                    > > consultation. The call is free, so after we agree upon a price
                    > > for services rendered, your Credit card is debited by AT&T, all
                    > > of your Financial info is collected by them. We do not have access
                    > > to any Financial info. Most pricing will be in the range of $10.oo
                    > > and up, depending on your needs.
                    > >
                    > > So if you have a need for such a service, or you have any
                    > > questions, please contact us asap.
                    > >
                    > > Confidential Intelligence Network
                    > > POB 407
                    > > SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                    > > 253-862-3037 Voice
                    > > 888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                    > > consources@
                    > > http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                    > > Bill Hearn
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >





                    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  • Shellee Hale
                    Bill, I am horrified by your comments and possibly by what you might be selling as an impressive resume... Not so much (Except the Navy). If you were a
                    Message 9 of 16 , Mar 17 2:03 PM
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                      Bill,



                      I am horrified by your comments and possibly by what you might be selling as an "impressive" resume... Not so much (Except the Navy). If you were a great teacher with great advice you should have been asked to speak at some of our professional industry related conferences in the span of "this career" and had actual ratings and recommendations outside of personally collected ones.



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                      Founder - Psychic Crime Fighter

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                      From: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BILL HEARN
                      Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:06 AM
                      To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"





                      Group...

                      First Id like to apoligize for this guy being on ANY group. Hes like the monkey in a cage... enough said. People that were banned from one Industry, should not be able to work in OUR industry . I am not doing Investigative work, just sell expertise in a field that he cant compete in. I will ask you all to forgive this misguided soul for filling your inbox with his misguided slurs about Me and my Teachings.

                      Second, I have a Lic. PI in Calif. that I work for in conjunction with the
                      Confidential Intelligence Network, just for monkeys that want to smear their s#*t on all
                      of our parades. The Confidential Intelligence Network is a Consulting platform for people in the industry who are either new/inexperienced, or cant afford the Monthly fees of the DBs.
                      We have over 80 years of combined investigative experience to consult on every aspect of the Investigative/Recovery Industry. Two of three consultants are Lic. PIs in Ca. and OR.
                      If you would like to find out Who They Are, Please give me a call and we'll Talk.

                      As for these attacks on me by the monkeys of the groups. I have only
                      one thing to say... your existence on these groups will be the comedy of errors, that we all
                      will get a big chuckle from. Life is hard enough to deal with, without people like the monkey
                      spouting their inexperience/ignorance to a group of hard working professionals, that know more than they ever will.


                      Confidential Intelligence Network
                      POB 407
                      SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                      253-862-3037 Voice
                      888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                      consources@... <mailto:consources%40yahoo.com>
                      http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                      Bill Hearn







                      --- On Thu, 3/17/11, dcc7 <childe@... <mailto:childe%40legal-research-investigation.com> > wrote:

                      From: dcc7 <childe@... <mailto:childe%40legal-research-investigation.com> >
                      Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                      To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                      Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 5:32 AM



                      Just look up the definition of "investigation" in the TN statute. Hearn operates mainly by using pretexts. He is certainly not spending millions of dollars putting together a database of his own to compete against IRB. Helping you find your subject clearly falls under the definition of investigation in Tennessee. It doesn't matter that you are licensed.

                      David Childe, CFA
                      Legal Research & Investigation
                      Memphis, TN 38103
                      Licensed in TN

                      --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "TSCM/SO Group" <MitchD@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Not true. Complete BS.
                      >
                      > He's not offering investigation services to the public, he's offering
                      > research to licensed entities. It's no different in simple form than what
                      > most data providers offer It's
                      the same as offering access to his own
                      > personal up to date nationwide directory of xyz that he's compiled. He never
                      > meets w a client off the street or subject or conducts an investigation, the
                      > requester of information is the one he deals with.
                      >
                      > Violations in TCA 62- etc are a class a misdemeanors, not felonies. Civil
                      > fines are assessed based on other criteria, not data brokering.
                      >
                      > FWIW Here's a good example of why guys like bill are great to utilize:
                      >
                      > Atty A needs specific data to help his client and case, instead of handing
                      > out a hundred subpoenas, or beating a paralegal into making thousands of
                      > phone calls( all billed at .25 of the hourly),atty a calls his PI and says I
                      > need specific data. What you find for me will help simplify my chase, and
                      > narrow it down to 1,and keep me from losing another paralegal.
                      >
                      > A simple fax call or
                      email to someone like bill that yields successful
                      > results is a win win. Once the atty gets what he needs, it his under his
                      > work product doctrine. No one's going to jail, or getting fined for using
                      > bill or any other co like him. It's what you do with your Intel after you
                      > get it that counts.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > One thing that bill offers that others don't, is that he'll show you how to
                      > conduct your own data mining. for a reasonable fee.
                      >
                      > What IRB doesn't tell you is how they sell accublaht nextus lextus to law
                      > firms which means a huge loss to all PI's who run subject locates and more w
                      > IRB. That cost us a lot in fees.IRB doesn't have a TN PI license nor do
                      > their employees under IRB ,yet they sell data in TN as well....Class A mis
                      > or E felony,
                      >
                      > If I missed something show me the (*&(* law that says it's illegal to use
                      > the
                      Confidential Intelligence network, or anything similar...
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Group note: My reply was written as a tribute to Barry Kinter, long and
                      > precise. My analogies only serve to help some of those that spend time
                      > debating why you have to hit start to shutdown windows, AND Bill Hearn likes
                      > to help PI's, without earning a dime sometimes, unlike some PI's who like to
                      > fleece others ( not referring to you David).
                      >
                      > We lost cell records because of greed, the only thing that bothered me about
                      > it was that the folks that started the crap over it were from our own
                      > industry. Some are the same ones that import their crap from china, and use
                      > emperors clothes tactics to sell it to the unknowing. Point is they got
                      > involved in crap they should have left alone,and instead created a ruckus
                      > with self promotion at interest.
                      >
                      > Guys like Bill are not
                      just great assets to have, but demonstrate true
                      > character. Guys w true character are great to have on any team because we've
                      > already been flooded with "characters".
                      >
                      > There are good data folks out there,along with Bill,that do the same as
                      > Bill, that aren't guilty of anything except being diligent.
                      >
                      > About a year ago we were helping a family pro bono to find their son, a US
                      > navy sailor, who went missing. Bill was the first to step up and call me,on
                      > his own, and offer anything I needed without a single reference to
                      > money.THATS Character. I didn't get that from the big data provider. Just
                      > another invoice..
                      >
                      > Rant mode off, have to feed a monkey with a slingshot
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Mitch Davis
                      >
                      > TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
                      >
                      > 20 Music Square West,Suite 208
                      >

                      > Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
                      >
                      > 615.251.0441
                      >
                      > Fax 615.523.0300
                      >
                      > www.tscmusa.com
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ***********************************
                      >
                      > "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"
                      >
                      > *****************************************
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to
                      > which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,
                      > confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader
                      > of this message is not the intended recipient or agent responsible for
                      > delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
                      > that any dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly
                      > prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error,
                      > please delete it from your system without copying
                      it and notify the sender
                      > by reply e-mail so that the email address record can be corrected. Thank
                      > you.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@...]
                      > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:32 PM
                      > To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Bill:
                      >
                      > You do know that you need a PI license to offer these services, don't you?
                      > Anyone who buys these services - and you - will have committed a class A
                      > misdemeanor and possibly class E felony, depending on the state.
                      >
                      > David Childe, CFA
                      > Legal Research & Investigation
                      > Memphis, TN 38103
                      > Licensed
                      >
                      > --- In
                      infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "BILLH" <consources@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Group...
                      > >
                      > > I would like to introduce the "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                      > >
                      > > Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases
                      > > that you have access to, such as IRB, Locate plus, and Merlin Data,
                      > > to name a few. Well CIN has Access to deeper info, thats better. You
                      > > will not have to pay a monthly fee, just pay per call. "We are NOT
                      > > a Reseller of any Database".
                      > >
                      > > You will also receive a consultation reading of your purchased
                      > > report, showing you how to proceed with the info provided. We also

                      > > help you devise a pretext for your specific needs, if its for a
                      > > legal/permissable reason, such as Insurance Fraud Investigations.
                      > >
                      > > We have POE searchs, Current Debt searchs, CNA phone searchs, GLB
                      > > compliant Financial searchs, Utility record searchs, Email tracing,
                      > > International searchs, Plus alot more...
                      > >
                      > > We will also help Consult on the info that you already have
                      > > purchased from your own DB source. Helping you with over 60 years
                      > > of combined Investigative experience, to understand, and proceed
                      > > with your case in a Professional manner.
                      > >
                      > > The pricing is set to what is agreed upon at the time of the
                      > > consultation. The call is free, so after we agree upon a price
                      > > for services rendered, your Credit card is debited by AT&T, all
                      > > of your Financial info
                      is collected by them. We do not have access
                      > > to any Financial info. Most pricing will be in the range of $10.oo
                      > > and up, depending on your needs.
                      > >
                      > > So if you have a need for such a service, or you have any
                      > > questions, please contact us asap.
                      > >
                      > > Confidential Intelligence Network
                      > > POB 407
                      > > SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                      > > 253-862-3037 Voice
                      > > 888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                      > > consources@
                      > > http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                      > > Bill Hearn
                      > >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >





                      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    • bryantinvestigations@yahoo.com
                      Well said Mitch Davis. I agree. We do rely on facts. Psychic opinions are not factual. I didn t see a PI license in this Shellee sig line. Where is it?
                      Message 10 of 16 , Mar 17 2:22 PM
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                        Well said Mitch Davis. I agree. We do rely on facts. Psychic opinions are not factual. I didn't see a PI license in this Shellee sig line. Where is it?
                        Bill Hearn is "The Man".
                        There are many posts of happy associates of Mr. Hearn.

                        Regards,

                        Robert Bryant
                        President
                        Bryant Investigations, Inc.
                        NC PI lic# 3727
                        SC PI lic # PDC2650
                        1-800-798-4278
                        Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: "TSCM/SO Group" <MitchD@...>
                        Sender: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:54:22
                        To: <infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com>
                        Reply-To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"

                        I know the PI laws very well.. Again Bill Hearn doesn't run investigations
                        and has more than an armful of reasons to be able to locate or assist with a
                        subject locate Pre texting goes on in all arenas. You have an article on
                        your website that indicates you use them as well, so what's the point about
                        pretexting???

                        How much money he spends on resources is his business. Paying someone for
                        information regardless of where it comes from doesn't constitute an
                        investigation. Paying someone for intellectual property is different than
                        paying someone for PI services.

                        I would think that you would have more to do with your time than blast Bill
                        Hearn. If you actually conduct real world research you would never dismiss
                        an asset or source of information. This isn't wall street with ego money and
                        antics or a collection business using old phonebooks with limited resources.
                        If you have a bone to pick with Bill Hearn, do us a favor and take it off
                        list. And for the record, anyone using bill Hearn or any other data broker
                        or information provider isn't guilty of anything except for doing a better
                        job for a client..



                        Mitch Davis

                        TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.

                        20 Music Square West,Suite 208

                        Nashville, TN. 37203 USA

                        615.251.0441

                        Fax 615.523.0300

                        www.tscmusa.com



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                        From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@...]
                        Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 7:32 AM
                        To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"





                        Just look up the definition of "investigation" in the TN statute. Hearn
                        operates mainly by using pretexts. He is certainly not spending millions of
                        dollars putting together a database of his own to compete against IRB.
                        Helping you find your subject clearly falls under the definition of
                        investigation in Tennessee. It doesn't matter that you are licensed.

                        David Childe, CFA
                        Legal Research & Investigation
                        Memphis, TN 38103
                        Licensed in TN

                        --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                        <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "TSCM/SO Group" <MitchD@...>
                        wrote:
                        >
                        > Not true. Complete BS.
                        >
                        > He's not offering investigation services to the public, he's offering
                        > research to licensed entities. It's no different in simple form than what
                        > most data providers offer It's the same as offering access to his own
                        > personal up to date nationwide directory of xyz that he's compiled. He
                        never
                        > meets w a client off the street or subject or conducts an investigation,
                        the
                        > requester of information is the one he deals with.
                        >
                        > Violations in TCA 62- etc are a class a misdemeanors, not felonies. Civil
                        > fines are assessed based on other criteria, not data brokering.
                        >
                        > FWIW Here's a good example of why guys like bill are great to utilize:
                        >
                        > Atty A needs specific data to help his client and case, instead of handing
                        > out a hundred subpoenas, or beating a paralegal into making thousands of
                        > phone calls( all billed at .25 of the hourly),atty a calls his PI and says
                        I
                        > need specific data. What you find for me will help simplify my chase, and
                        > narrow it down to 1,and keep me from losing another paralegal.
                        >
                        > A simple fax call or email to someone like bill that yields successful
                        > results is a win win. Once the atty gets what he needs, it his under his
                        > work product doctrine. No one's going to jail, or getting fined for using
                        > bill or any other co like him. It's what you do with your Intel after you
                        > get it that counts.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > One thing that bill offers that others don't, is that he'll show you how
                        to
                        > conduct your own data mining. for a reasonable fee.
                        >
                        > What IRB doesn't tell you is how they sell accublaht nextus lextus to law
                        > firms which means a huge loss to all PI's who run subject locates and more
                        w
                        > IRB. That cost us a lot in fees.IRB doesn't have a TN PI license nor do
                        > their employees under IRB ,yet they sell data in TN as well....Class A mis
                        > or E felony,
                        >
                        > If I missed something show me the (*&(* law that says it's illegal to use
                        > the Confidential Intelligence network, or anything similar...
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Group note: My reply was written as a tribute to Barry Kinter, long and
                        > precise. My analogies only serve to help some of those that spend time
                        > debating why you have to hit start to shutdown windows, AND Bill Hearn
                        likes
                        > to help PI's, without earning a dime sometimes, unlike some PI's who like
                        to
                        > fleece others ( not referring to you David).
                        >
                        > We lost cell records because of greed, the only thing that bothered me
                        about
                        > it was that the folks that started the crap over it were from our own
                        > industry. Some are the same ones that import their crap from china, and
                        use
                        > emperors clothes tactics to sell it to the unknowing. Point is they got
                        > involved in crap they should have left alone,and instead created a ruckus
                        > with self promotion at interest.
                        >
                        > Guys like Bill are not just great assets to have, but demonstrate true
                        > character. Guys w true character are great to have on any team because
                        we've
                        > already been flooded with "characters".
                        >
                        > There are good data folks out there,along with Bill,that do the same as
                        > Bill, that aren't guilty of anything except being diligent.
                        >
                        > About a year ago we were helping a family pro bono to find their son, a US
                        > navy sailor, who went missing. Bill was the first to step up and call
                        me,on
                        > his own, and offer anything I needed without a single reference to
                        > money.THATS Character. I didn't get that from the big data provider. Just
                        > another invoice..
                        >
                        > Rant mode off, have to feed a monkey with a slingshot
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Mitch Davis
                        >
                        > TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
                        >
                        > 20 Music Square West,Suite 208
                        >
                        > Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
                        >
                        > 615.251.0441
                        >
                        > Fax 615.523.0300
                        >
                        > www.tscmusa.com
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > ***********************************
                        >
                        > "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"
                        >
                        > *****************************************
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to
                        > which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,
                        > confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the
                        reader
                        > of this message is not the intended recipient or agent responsible for
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                        >
                        >
                        > From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@...]
                        > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:32 PM
                        > To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>

                        > Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Bill:
                        >
                        > You do know that you need a PI license to offer these services, don't you?
                        > Anyone who buys these services - and you - will have committed a class A
                        > misdemeanor and possibly class E felony, depending on the state.
                        >
                        > David Childe, CFA
                        > Legal Research & Investigation
                        > Memphis, TN 38103
                        > Licensed
                        >
                        > --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                        <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "BILLH" <consources@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Group...
                        > >
                        > > I would like to introduce the "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                        > >
                        > > Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases
                        > > that you have access to, such as IRB, Locate plus, and Merlin Data,
                        > > to name a few. Well CIN has Access to deeper info, thats better. You
                        > > will not have to pay a monthly fee, just pay per call. "We are NOT
                        > > a Reseller of any Database".
                        > >
                        > > You will also receive a consultation reading of your purchased
                        > > report, showing you how to proceed with the info provided. We also
                        > > help you devise a pretext for your specific needs, if its for a
                        > > legal/permissable reason, such as Insurance Fraud Investigations.
                        > >
                        > > We have POE searchs, Current Debt searchs, CNA phone searchs, GLB
                        > > compliant Financial searchs, Utility record searchs, Email tracing,
                        > > International searchs, Plus alot more...
                        > >
                        > > We will also help Consult on the info that you already have
                        > > purchased from your own DB source. Helping you with over 60 years
                        > > of combined Investigative experience, to understand, and proceed
                        > > with your case in a Professional manner.
                        > >
                        > > The pricing is set to what is agreed upon at the time of the
                        > > consultation. The call is free, so after we agree upon a price
                        > > for services rendered, your Credit card is debited by AT&T, all
                        > > of your Financial info is collected by them. We do not have access
                        > > to any Financial info. Most pricing will be in the range of $10.oo
                        > > and up, depending on your needs.
                        > >
                        > > So if you have a need for such a service, or you have any
                        > > questions, please contact us asap.
                        > >
                        > > Confidential Intelligence Network
                        > > POB 407
                        > > SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                        > > 253-862-3037 Voice
                        > > 888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                        > > consources@
                        > > http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                        > > Bill Hearn
                        > >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        >





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                      • kateolen48@yahoo.com
                        Wow that slam should have been private, girl. This is a forum for referrals and sharing ideas...if you don t have something nice to say...keep the rest of the
                        Message 11 of 16 , Mar 17 2:25 PM
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                          Wow that slam should have been private, girl. This is a forum for referrals and sharing ideas...if you don't have something nice to say...keep the rest of the group out of it..how would you feel if someone slammed your credentials and reputation for thousands of other investigators to read? Think about it. Enough said.

                          Catherine L. Olen, LPI
                          Kissimmee, FL 34759
                          FL Lic. A2700353/C2600852
                          Sent from my BlackBerry® on the MetroPCS Network

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: "Shellee Hale" <shellee@...>
                          Sender: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:03:35
                          To: <infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com>
                          Reply-To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"

                          Bill,



                          I am horrified by your comments and possibly by what you might be selling as an "impressive" resume... Not so much (Except the Navy). If you were a great teacher with great advice you should have been asked to speak at some of our professional industry related conferences in the span of "this career" and had actual ratings and recommendations outside of personally collected ones.



                          Many people thought Bernie Madoff was a great financial Money Manager too, they are all broke now.







                          Shellee Hale

                          Managing Partner

                          Camandago, Inc.

                          Founder - Psychic Crime Fighter

                          227 Bellevue Way NE #80

                          Bellevue, WA 98004

                          Description: camandago

                          425-450-9000 - office

                          425-246-9136 - cell

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                          <http://www.camandago.com/> www.camandago.com

                          <http://www.shelleehale.com/> www.shelleehale.com

                          www.psychiccrimefighter.com



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                          From: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BILL HEARN
                          Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:06 AM
                          To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"





                          Group...

                          First Id like to apoligize for this guy being on ANY group. Hes like the monkey in a cage... enough said. People that were banned from one Industry, should not be able to work in OUR industry . I am not doing Investigative work, just sell expertise in a field that he cant compete in. I will ask you all to forgive this misguided soul for filling your inbox with his misguided slurs about Me and my Teachings.

                          Second, I have a Lic. PI in Calif. that I work for in conjunction with the
                          Confidential Intelligence Network, just for monkeys that want to smear their s#*t on all
                          of our parades. The Confidential Intelligence Network is a Consulting platform for people in the industry who are either new/inexperienced, or cant afford the Monthly fees of the DBs.
                          We have over 80 years of combined investigative experience to consult on every aspect of the Investigative/Recovery Industry. Two of three consultants are Lic. PIs in Ca. and OR.
                          If you would like to find out Who They Are, Please give me a call and we'll Talk.

                          As for these attacks on me by the monkeys of the groups. I have only
                          one thing to say... your existence on these groups will be the comedy of errors, that we all
                          will get a big chuckle from. Life is hard enough to deal with, without people like the monkey
                          spouting their inexperience/ignorance to a group of hard working professionals, that know more than they ever will.


                          Confidential Intelligence Network
                          POB 407
                          SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                          253-862-3037 Voice
                          888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                          consources@... <mailto:consources%40yahoo.com>
                          http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                          Bill Hearn







                          --- On Thu, 3/17/11, dcc7 <childe@... <mailto:childe%40legal-research-investigation.com> > wrote:

                          From: dcc7 <childe@... <mailto:childe%40legal-research-investigation.com> >
                          Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                          To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                          Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 5:32 AM



                          Just look up the definition of "investigation" in the TN statute. Hearn operates mainly by using pretexts. He is certainly not spending millions of dollars putting together a database of his own to compete against IRB. Helping you find your subject clearly falls under the definition of investigation in Tennessee. It doesn't matter that you are licensed.

                          David Childe, CFA
                          Legal Research & Investigation
                          Memphis, TN 38103
                          Licensed in TN

                          --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "TSCM/SO Group" <MitchD@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Not true. Complete BS.
                          >
                          > He's not offering investigation services to the public, he's offering
                          > research to licensed entities. It's no different in simple form than what
                          > most data providers offer It's
                          the same as offering access to his own
                          > personal up to date nationwide directory of xyz that he's compiled. He never
                          > meets w a client off the street or subject or conducts an investigation, the
                          > requester of information is the one he deals with.
                          >
                          > Violations in TCA 62- etc are a class a misdemeanors, not felonies. Civil
                          > fines are assessed based on other criteria, not data brokering.
                          >
                          > FWIW Here's a good example of why guys like bill are great to utilize:
                          >
                          > Atty A needs specific data to help his client and case, instead of handing
                          > out a hundred subpoenas, or beating a paralegal into making thousands of
                          > phone calls( all billed at .25 of the hourly),atty a calls his PI and says I
                          > need specific data. What you find for me will help simplify my chase, and
                          > narrow it down to 1,and keep me from losing another paralegal.
                          >
                          > A simple fax call or
                          email to someone like bill that yields successful
                          > results is a win win. Once the atty gets what he needs, it his under his
                          > work product doctrine. No one's going to jail, or getting fined for using
                          > bill or any other co like him. It's what you do with your Intel after you
                          > get it that counts.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > One thing that bill offers that others don't, is that he'll show you how to
                          > conduct your own data mining. for a reasonable fee.
                          >
                          > What IRB doesn't tell you is how they sell accublaht nextus lextus to law
                          > firms which means a huge loss to all PI's who run subject locates and more w
                          > IRB. That cost us a lot in fees.IRB doesn't have a TN PI license nor do
                          > their employees under IRB ,yet they sell data in TN as well....Class A mis
                          > or E felony,
                          >
                          > If I missed something show me the (*&(* law that says it's illegal to use
                          > the
                          Confidential Intelligence network, or anything similar...
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Group note: My reply was written as a tribute to Barry Kinter, long and
                          > precise. My analogies only serve to help some of those that spend time
                          > debating why you have to hit start to shutdown windows, AND Bill Hearn likes
                          > to help PI's, without earning a dime sometimes, unlike some PI's who like to
                          > fleece others ( not referring to you David).
                          >
                          > We lost cell records because of greed, the only thing that bothered me about
                          > it was that the folks that started the crap over it were from our own
                          > industry. Some are the same ones that import their crap from china, and use
                          > emperors clothes tactics to sell it to the unknowing. Point is they got
                          > involved in crap they should have left alone,and instead created a ruckus
                          > with self promotion at interest.
                          >
                          > Guys like Bill are not
                          just great assets to have, but demonstrate true
                          > character. Guys w true character are great to have on any team because we've
                          > already been flooded with "characters".
                          >
                          > There are good data folks out there,along with Bill,that do the same as
                          > Bill, that aren't guilty of anything except being diligent.
                          >
                          > About a year ago we were helping a family pro bono to find their son, a US
                          > navy sailor, who went missing. Bill was the first to step up and call me,on
                          > his own, and offer anything I needed without a single reference to
                          > money.THATS Character. I didn't get that from the big data provider. Just
                          > another invoice..
                          >
                          > Rant mode off, have to feed a monkey with a slingshot
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Mitch Davis
                          >
                          > TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
                          >
                          > 20 Music Square West,Suite 208
                          >

                          > Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
                          >
                          > 615.251.0441
                          >
                          > Fax 615.523.0300
                          >
                          > www.tscmusa.com
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > ***********************************
                          >
                          > "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"
                          >
                          > *****************************************
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to
                          > which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,
                          > confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader
                          > of this message is not the intended recipient or agent responsible for
                          > delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
                          > that any dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly
                          > prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error,
                          > please delete it from your system without copying
                          it and notify the sender
                          > by reply e-mail so that the email address record can be corrected. Thank
                          > you.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@...]
                          > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:32 PM
                          > To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Bill:
                          >
                          > You do know that you need a PI license to offer these services, don't you?
                          > Anyone who buys these services - and you - will have committed a class A
                          > misdemeanor and possibly class E felony, depending on the state.
                          >
                          > David Childe, CFA
                          > Legal Research & Investigation
                          > Memphis, TN 38103
                          > Licensed
                          >
                          > --- In
                          infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "BILLH" <consources@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Group...
                          > >
                          > > I would like to introduce the "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                          > >
                          > > Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases
                          > > that you have access to, such as IRB, Locate plus, and Merlin Data,
                          > > to name a few. Well CIN has Access to deeper info, thats better. You
                          > > will not have to pay a monthly fee, just pay per call. "We are NOT
                          > > a Reseller of any Database".
                          > >
                          > > You will also receive a consultation reading of your purchased
                          > > report, showing you how to proceed with the info provided. We also

                          > > help you devise a pretext for your specific needs, if its for a
                          > > legal/permissable reason, such as Insurance Fraud Investigations.
                          > >
                          > > We have POE searchs, Current Debt searchs, CNA phone searchs, GLB
                          > > compliant Financial searchs, Utility record searchs, Email tracing,
                          > > International searchs, Plus alot more...
                          > >
                          > > We will also help Consult on the info that you already have
                          > > purchased from your own DB source. Helping you with over 60 years
                          > > of combined Investigative experience, to understand, and proceed
                          > > with your case in a Professional manner.
                          > >
                          > > The pricing is set to what is agreed upon at the time of the
                          > > consultation. The call is free, so after we agree upon a price
                          > > for services rendered, your Credit card is debited by AT&T, all
                          > > of your Financial info
                          is collected by them. We do not have access
                          > > to any Financial info. Most pricing will be in the range of $10.oo
                          > > and up, depending on your needs.
                          > >
                          > > So if you have a need for such a service, or you have any
                          > > questions, please contact us asap.
                          > >
                          > > Confidential Intelligence Network
                          > > POB 407
                          > > SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                          > > 253-862-3037 Voice
                          > > 888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                          > > consources@
                          > > http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                          > > Bill Hearn
                          > >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
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                          >





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                        • kateolen48@yahoo.com
                          Well said! Thanks for sharing my sentiments. Catherine L. Olen, LPI Kissimmee, FL 34759 FL PI LIC A2700353/C2600852 Sent from my BlackBerry® on the MetroPCS
                          Message 12 of 16 , Mar 17 2:28 PM
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                            Well said! Thanks for sharing my sentiments.

                            Catherine L. Olen, LPI
                            Kissimmee, FL 34759
                            FL PI LIC A2700353/C2600852
                            Sent from my BlackBerry� on the MetroPCS Network

                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: "TSCM/SO Group" <MitchD@...>
                            Sender: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:54:22
                            To: <infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com>
                            Reply-To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"

                            I know the PI laws very well.. Again Bill Hearn doesn't run investigations
                            and has more than an armful of reasons to be able to locate or assist with a
                            subject locate Pre texting goes on in all arenas. You have an article on
                            your website that indicates you use them as well, so what's the point about
                            pretexting???

                            How much money he spends on resources is his business. Paying someone for
                            information regardless of where it comes from doesn't constitute an
                            investigation. Paying someone for intellectual property is different than
                            paying someone for PI services.

                            I would think that you would have more to do with your time than blast Bill
                            Hearn. If you actually conduct real world research you would never dismiss
                            an asset or source of information. This isn't wall street with ego money and
                            antics or a collection business using old phonebooks with limited resources.
                            If you have a bone to pick with Bill Hearn, do us a favor and take it off
                            list. And for the record, anyone using bill Hearn or any other data broker
                            or information provider isn't guilty of anything except for doing a better
                            job for a client..



                            Mitch Davis

                            TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.

                            20 Music Square West,Suite 208

                            Nashville, TN. 37203 USA

                            615.251.0441

                            Fax 615.523.0300

                            www.tscmusa.com



                            ***********************************

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                            From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@...]
                            Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 7:32 AM
                            To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"





                            Just look up the definition of "investigation" in the TN statute. Hearn
                            operates mainly by using pretexts. He is certainly not spending millions of
                            dollars putting together a database of his own to compete against IRB.
                            Helping you find your subject clearly falls under the definition of
                            investigation in Tennessee. It doesn't matter that you are licensed.

                            David Childe, CFA
                            Legal Research & Investigation
                            Memphis, TN 38103
                            Licensed in TN

                            --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                            <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "TSCM/SO Group" <MitchD@...>
                            wrote:
                            >
                            > Not true. Complete BS.
                            >
                            > He's not offering investigation services to the public, he's offering
                            > research to licensed entities. It's no different in simple form than what
                            > most data providers offer It's the same as offering access to his own
                            > personal up to date nationwide directory of xyz that he's compiled. He
                            never
                            > meets w a client off the street or subject or conducts an investigation,
                            the
                            > requester of information is the one he deals with.
                            >
                            > Violations in TCA 62- etc are a class a misdemeanors, not felonies. Civil
                            > fines are assessed based on other criteria, not data brokering.
                            >
                            > FWIW Here's a good example of why guys like bill are great to utilize:
                            >
                            > Atty A needs specific data to help his client and case, instead of handing
                            > out a hundred subpoenas, or beating a paralegal into making thousands of
                            > phone calls( all billed at .25 of the hourly),atty a calls his PI and says
                            I
                            > need specific data. What you find for me will help simplify my chase, and
                            > narrow it down to 1,and keep me from losing another paralegal.
                            >
                            > A simple fax call or email to someone like bill that yields successful
                            > results is a win win. Once the atty gets what he needs, it his under his
                            > work product doctrine. No one's going to jail, or getting fined for using
                            > bill or any other co like him. It's what you do with your Intel after you
                            > get it that counts.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > One thing that bill offers that others don't, is that he'll show you how
                            to
                            > conduct your own data mining. for a reasonable fee.
                            >
                            > What IRB doesn't tell you is how they sell accublaht nextus lextus to law
                            > firms which means a huge loss to all PI's who run subject locates and more
                            w
                            > IRB. That cost us a lot in fees.IRB doesn't have a TN PI license nor do
                            > their employees under IRB ,yet they sell data in TN as well....Class A mis
                            > or E felony,
                            >
                            > If I missed something show me the (*&(* law that says it's illegal to use
                            > the Confidential Intelligence network, or anything similar...
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Group note: My reply was written as a tribute to Barry Kinter, long and
                            > precise. My analogies only serve to help some of those that spend time
                            > debating why you have to hit start to shutdown windows, AND Bill Hearn
                            likes
                            > to help PI's, without earning a dime sometimes, unlike some PI's who like
                            to
                            > fleece others ( not referring to you David).
                            >
                            > We lost cell records because of greed, the only thing that bothered me
                            about
                            > it was that the folks that started the crap over it were from our own
                            > industry. Some are the same ones that import their crap from china, and
                            use
                            > emperors clothes tactics to sell it to the unknowing. Point is they got
                            > involved in crap they should have left alone,and instead created a ruckus
                            > with self promotion at interest.
                            >
                            > Guys like Bill are not just great assets to have, but demonstrate true
                            > character. Guys w true character are great to have on any team because
                            we've
                            > already been flooded with "characters".
                            >
                            > There are good data folks out there,along with Bill,that do the same as
                            > Bill, that aren't guilty of anything except being diligent.
                            >
                            > About a year ago we were helping a family pro bono to find their son, a US
                            > navy sailor, who went missing. Bill was the first to step up and call
                            me,on
                            > his own, and offer anything I needed without a single reference to
                            > money.THATS Character. I didn't get that from the big data provider. Just
                            > another invoice..
                            >
                            > Rant mode off, have to feed a monkey with a slingshot
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Mitch Davis
                            >
                            > TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
                            >
                            > 20 Music Square West,Suite 208
                            >
                            > Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
                            >
                            > 615.251.0441
                            >
                            > Fax 615.523.0300
                            >
                            > www.tscmusa.com
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > ***********************************
                            >
                            > "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"
                            >
                            > *****************************************
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to
                            > which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,
                            > confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the
                            reader
                            > of this message is not the intended recipient or agent responsible for
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                            > please delete it from your system without copying it and notify the sender
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                            > you.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@...]
                            > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:32 PM
                            > To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>

                            > Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Bill:
                            >
                            > You do know that you need a PI license to offer these services, don't you?
                            > Anyone who buys these services - and you - will have committed a class A
                            > misdemeanor and possibly class E felony, depending on the state.
                            >
                            > David Childe, CFA
                            > Legal Research & Investigation
                            > Memphis, TN 38103
                            > Licensed
                            >
                            > --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                            <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "BILLH" <consources@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Group...
                            > >
                            > > I would like to introduce the "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                            > >
                            > > Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases
                            > > that you have access to, such as IRB, Locate plus, and Merlin Data,
                            > > to name a few. Well CIN has Access to deeper info, thats better. You
                            > > will not have to pay a monthly fee, just pay per call. "We are NOT
                            > > a Reseller of any Database".
                            > >
                            > > You will also receive a consultation reading of your purchased
                            > > report, showing you how to proceed with the info provided. We also
                            > > help you devise a pretext for your specific needs, if its for a
                            > > legal/permissable reason, such as Insurance Fraud Investigations.
                            > >
                            > > We have POE searchs, Current Debt searchs, CNA phone searchs, GLB
                            > > compliant Financial searchs, Utility record searchs, Email tracing,
                            > > International searchs, Plus alot more...
                            > >
                            > > We will also help Consult on the info that you already have
                            > > purchased from your own DB source. Helping you with over 60 years
                            > > of combined Investigative experience, to understand, and proceed
                            > > with your case in a Professional manner.
                            > >
                            > > The pricing is set to what is agreed upon at the time of the
                            > > consultation. The call is free, so after we agree upon a price
                            > > for services rendered, your Credit card is debited by AT&T, all
                            > > of your Financial info is collected by them. We do not have access
                            > > to any Financial info. Most pricing will be in the range of $10.oo
                            > > and up, depending on your needs.
                            > >
                            > > So if you have a need for such a service, or you have any
                            > > questions, please contact us asap.
                            > >
                            > > Confidential Intelligence Network
                            > > POB 407
                            > > SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                            > > 253-862-3037 Voice
                            > > 888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                            > > consources@
                            > > http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                            > > Bill Hearn
                            > >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            >





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                          • BILL HEARN
                            Shellee...                           Well I would Like to apoligize for Horrifing you...                  When I
                            Message 13 of 16 , Mar 17 6:07 PM
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                              Shellee...
                                                        Well I would Like to apoligize for Horrifing you...
                                               When I called you today, to clearify your concerns, you were very rude and adverse, calling me a liar, that I was in the Navy, I was not.  You brought up past posts that I posted awhile ago, calling a member a BITCH, You are Wrong I only refered to her Post
                              attacking Me And if anyone wants further info on that, Call me...
                                               You being the Founder - Psychic Crime Fighter and Super P.I. that you think you are, in your mind. Tell the Group all the People that you have Helped for FREE. You and the monkey are two peas in a pod...  As for comparing Me to Bernie Madoff, you made a big mistake there, I dont Rip off Anyone... I hope you and yours well in this coming year.
                               
                               
                               Confidential Intelligence Network
                              POB 407
                              SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                              253-862-3037 Voice
                              888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                              consources@...
                              Bill Hearn



                               
                               
                               
                               
                               
                              --- On Thu, 3/17/11, Shellee Hale <shellee@...> wrote:


                              From: Shellee Hale <shellee@...>
                              Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                              To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 2:03 PM


                               



                              Bill,

                              I am horrified by your comments and possibly by what you might be selling as an "impressive" resume... Not so much (Except the Navy). If you were a great teacher with great advice you should have been asked to speak at some of our professional industry related conferences in the span of "this career" and had actual ratings and recommendations outside of personally collected ones.

                              Many people thought Bernie Madoff was a great financial Money Manager too, they are all broke now.

                              Shellee Hale

                              Managing Partner

                              Camandago, Inc.

                              Founder - Psychic Crime Fighter

                              227 Bellevue Way NE #80

                              Bellevue, WA 98004

                              Description: camandago

                              425-450-9000 - office

                              425-246-9136 - cell

                              Description: cid:image002.png@01CB686A.4A889C00

                              <http://www.camandago.com/> www.camandago.com

                              <http://www.shelleehale.com/> www.shelleehale.com

                              www.psychiccrimefighter.com

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                              From: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BILL HEARN
                              Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:06 AM
                              To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"

                              Group...

                              First Id like to
                              apoligize for this guy being on ANY group. Hes like the monkey in a cage... enough said. People that were banned from one Industry, should not be able to work in OUR industry . I am not doing Investigative work, just sell expertise in a field that he cant compete in. I will ask you all to forgive this misguided soul for filling your inbox with his misguided slurs about Me and my Teachings.

                              Second, I have a Lic. PI in Calif. that I work for in conjunction with the
                              Confidential Intelligence Network, just for monkeys that want to smear their s#*t on all
                              of our parades. The Confidential Intelligence Network is a Consulting platform for people in the industry who are either new/inexperienced, or cant afford the Monthly fees of the DBs.
                              We have over 80 years of combined investigative experience to consult on every aspect of the Investigative/Recovery Industry. Two of three consultants are Lic. PIs in Ca. and OR.
                              If you would like to find
                              out Who They Are, Please give me a call and we'll Talk.

                              As for these attacks on me by the monkeys of the groups. I have only
                              one thing to say... your existence on these groups will be the comedy of errors, that we all
                              will get a big chuckle from. Life is hard enough to deal with, without people like the monkey
                              spouting their inexperience/ignorance to a group of hard working professionals, that know more than they ever will.


                              Confidential Intelligence Network
                              POB 407
                              SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                              253-862-3037 Voice
                              888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                              consources@... <mailto:consources%40yahoo.com>
                              http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                              Bill
                              Hearn

                              --- On Thu, 3/17/11, dcc7 <childe@... <mailto:childe%40legal-research-investigation.com> > wrote:

                              From: dcc7 <childe@... <mailto:childe%40legal-research-investigation.com> >
                              Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                              To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                              <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                              Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 5:32 AM

                              Just look up the definition of "investigation" in the TN statute. Hearn operates mainly by using pretexts. He is certainly not spending millions of dollars putting together a database of his own to compete against IRB. Helping you find your subject clearly falls under the definition of investigation in Tennessee. It doesn't matter that you are licensed.

                              David Childe, CFA
                              Legal Research & Investigation
                              Memphis, TN 38103
                              Licensed in TN

                              --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "TSCM/SO Group" <MitchD@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Not true. Complete BS.
                              >
                              > He's not offering investigation services to the
                              public, he's offering
                              > research to licensed entities. It's no different in simple form than what
                              > most data providers offer It's
                              the same as offering access to his own
                              > personal up to date nationwide directory of xyz that he's compiled. He never
                              > meets w a client off the street or subject or conducts an investigation, the
                              > requester of information is the one he deals with.
                              >
                              > Violations in TCA 62- etc are a class a misdemeanors, not felonies. Civil
                              > fines are assessed based on other criteria, not data brokering.
                              >
                              > FWIW Here's a good example of why guys like bill are great to utilize:
                              >
                              > Atty A needs specific data to help his client and case, instead of handing
                              > out a hundred subpoenas, or beating a paralegal into making thousands of
                              > phone calls( all billed at .25 of the hourly),atty a calls his PI and says I
                              > need specific data. What you find
                              for me will help simplify my chase, and
                              > narrow it down to 1,and keep me from losing another paralegal.
                              >
                              > A simple fax call or
                              email to someone like bill that yields successful
                              > results is a win win. Once the atty gets what he needs, it his under his
                              > work product doctrine. No one's going to jail, or getting fined for using
                              > bill or any other co like him. It's what you do with your Intel after you
                              > get it that counts.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > One thing that bill offers that others don't, is that he'll show you how to
                              > conduct your own data mining. for a reasonable fee.
                              >
                              > What IRB doesn't tell you is how they sell accublaht nextus lextus to law
                              > firms which means a huge loss to all PI's who run subject locates and more w
                              > IRB. That cost us a lot in fees.IRB doesn't have a TN PI license nor do
                              > their employees under IRB ,yet they sell data in TN as
                              well....Class A mis
                              > or E felony,
                              >
                              > If I missed something show me the (*&(* law that says it's illegal to use
                              > the
                              Confidential Intelligence network, or anything similar...
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Group note: My reply was written as a tribute to Barry Kinter, long and
                              > precise. My analogies only serve to help some of those that spend time
                              > debating why you have to hit start to shutdown windows, AND Bill Hearn likes
                              > to help PI's, without earning a dime sometimes, unlike some PI's who like to
                              > fleece others ( not referring to you David).
                              >
                              > We lost cell records because of greed, the only thing that bothered me about
                              > it was that the folks that started the crap over it were from our own
                              > industry. Some are the same ones that import their crap from china, and use
                              > emperors clothes tactics to sell it to the unknowing. Point is they got
                              >
                              involved in crap they should have left alone,and instead created a ruckus
                              > with self promotion at interest.
                              >
                              > Guys like Bill are not
                              just great assets to have, but demonstrate true
                              > character. Guys w true character are great to have on any team because we've
                              > already been flooded with "characters".
                              >
                              > There are good data folks out there,along with Bill,that do the same as
                              > Bill, that aren't guilty of anything except being diligent.
                              >
                              > About a year ago we were helping a family pro bono to find their son, a US
                              > navy sailor, who went missing. Bill was the first to step up and call me,on
                              > his own, and offer anything I needed without a single reference to
                              > money.THATS Character. I didn't get that from the big data provider. Just
                              > another invoice..
                              >
                              > Rant mode off, have to feed a monkey with a slingshot
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >

                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Mitch Davis
                              >
                              > TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
                              >
                              > 20 Music Square West,Suite 208
                              >

                              > Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
                              >
                              > 615.251.0441
                              >
                              > Fax 615.523.0300
                              >
                              > www.tscmusa.com
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > ***********************************
                              >
                              > "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"
                              >
                              > *****************************************
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to
                              > which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,
                              > confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader
                              > of this message is not the intended recipient or agent responsible for
                              > delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
                              > that any dissemination or copying of this
                              communication is strictly
                              > prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error,
                              > please delete it from your system without copying
                              it and notify the sender
                              > by reply e-mail so that the email address record can be corrected. Thank
                              > you.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@...]
                              > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:32 PM
                              > To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Bill:
                              >
                              > You do know that you need a PI license to offer these services, don't you?
                              > Anyone who buys these services - and you - will have committed a class
                              A
                              > misdemeanor and possibly class E felony, depending on the state.
                              >
                              > David Childe, CFA
                              > Legal Research & Investigation
                              > Memphis, TN 38103
                              > Licensed
                              >
                              > --- In
                              infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "BILLH" <consources@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Group...
                              > >
                              > > I would like to introduce the "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                              > >
                              > > Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases
                              > > that you have access to, such as IRB, Locate plus, and Merlin Data,
                              > > to name a few. Well CIN has Access to deeper info, thats better. You
                              > > will not
                              have to pay a monthly fee, just pay per call. "We are NOT
                              > > a Reseller of any Database".
                              > >
                              > > You will also receive a consultation reading of your purchased
                              > > report, showing you how to proceed with the info provided. We also

                              > > help you devise a pretext for your specific needs, if its for a
                              > > legal/permissable reason, such as Insurance Fraud Investigations.
                              > >
                              > > We have POE searchs, Current Debt searchs, CNA phone searchs, GLB
                              > > compliant Financial searchs, Utility record searchs, Email tracing,
                              > > International searchs, Plus alot more...
                              > >
                              > > We will also help Consult on the info that you already have
                              > > purchased from your own DB source. Helping you with over 60 years
                              > > of combined Investigative experience, to understand, and proceed
                              > > with your case in a Professional manner.
                              >
                              >
                              > > The pricing is set to what is agreed upon at the time of the
                              > > consultation. The call is free, so after we agree upon a price
                              > > for services rendered, your Credit card is debited by AT&T, all
                              > > of your Financial info
                              is collected by them. We do not have access
                              > > to any Financial info. Most pricing will be in the range of $10.oo
                              > > and up, depending on your needs.
                              > >
                              > > So if you have a need for such a service, or you have any
                              > > questions, please contact us asap.
                              > >
                              > > Confidential Intelligence Network
                              > > POB 407
                              > > SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                              > > 253-862-3037 Voice
                              > > 888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                              > > consources@
                              > > http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                              >
                              > Bill Hearn
                              > >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              >

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                            • Shellee
                              My PI License is WA 1669 and Agency 3018 http://shelleehale.com/about/certifications/ No Person s opinion is factual, that doesn t mean it isn t our intuition,
                              Message 14 of 16 , Mar 17 7:21 PM
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                                My PI License is WA 1669 and Agency 3018

                                http://shelleehale.com/about/certifications/

                                No Person's opinion is factual, that doesn't mean it isn't our intuition, instinct or psychic abilities that lead us to the facts - it is the best investigators that have these abilities and can rely on them. I have education and experience to back it up, I don't have one unhappy client and I do dedicate a large portion of my time as a volunteer helping with Search and Rescue or Recovery on Missing Person cases. I have no issue with anyone looking through my credentials.




                                --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com, bryantinvestigations@... wrote:
                                >
                                > Well said Mitch Davis. I agree. We do rely on facts. Psychic opinions are not factual. I didn't see a PI license in this Shellee sig line. Where is it?
                                > Bill Hearn is "The Man".
                                > There are many posts of happy associates of Mr. Hearn.
                                >
                                > Regards,
                                >
                                > Robert Bryant
                                > President
                                > Bryant Investigations, Inc.
                                > NC PI lic# 3727
                                > SC PI lic # PDC2650
                                > 1-800-798-4278
                                > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
                                >
                                > -----Original Message-----
                                > From: "TSCM/SO Group" <MitchD@...>
                                > Sender: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                                > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:54:22
                                > To: <infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com>
                                > Reply-To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                                > Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                                >
                                > I know the PI laws very well.. Again Bill Hearn doesn't run investigations
                                > and has more than an armful of reasons to be able to locate or assist with a
                                > subject locate Pre texting goes on in all arenas. You have an article on
                                > your website that indicates you use them as well, so what's the point about
                                > pretexting???
                                >
                                > How much money he spends on resources is his business. Paying someone for
                                > information regardless of where it comes from doesn't constitute an
                                > investigation. Paying someone for intellectual property is different than
                                > paying someone for PI services.
                                >
                                > I would think that you would have more to do with your time than blast Bill
                                > Hearn. If you actually conduct real world research you would never dismiss
                                > an asset or source of information. This isn't wall street with ego money and
                                > antics or a collection business using old phonebooks with limited resources.
                                > If you have a bone to pick with Bill Hearn, do us a favor and take it off
                                > list. And for the record, anyone using bill Hearn or any other data broker
                                > or information provider isn't guilty of anything except for doing a better
                                > job for a client..
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Mitch Davis
                                >
                                > TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
                                >
                                > 20 Music Square West,Suite 208
                                >
                                > Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
                                >
                                > 615.251.0441
                                >
                                > Fax 615.523.0300
                                >
                                > www.tscmusa.com
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > ***********************************
                                >
                                > "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"
                                >
                                > *****************************************
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to
                                > which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,
                                > confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader
                                > of this message is not the intended recipient or agent responsible for
                                > delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
                                > that any dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly
                                > prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error,
                                > please delete it from your system without copying it and notify the sender
                                > by reply e-mail so that the email address record can be corrected. Thank
                                > you.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@...]
                                > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 7:32 AM
                                > To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                                > Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Just look up the definition of "investigation" in the TN statute. Hearn
                                > operates mainly by using pretexts. He is certainly not spending millions of
                                > dollars putting together a database of his own to compete against IRB.
                                > Helping you find your subject clearly falls under the definition of
                                > investigation in Tennessee. It doesn't matter that you are licensed.
                                >
                                > David Childe, CFA
                                > Legal Research & Investigation
                                > Memphis, TN 38103
                                > Licensed in TN
                                >
                                > --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                                > <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "TSCM/SO Group" <MitchD@>
                                > wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Not true. Complete BS.
                                > >
                                > > He's not offering investigation services to the public, he's offering
                                > > research to licensed entities. It's no different in simple form than what
                                > > most data providers offer It's the same as offering access to his own
                                > > personal up to date nationwide directory of xyz that he's compiled. He
                                > never
                                > > meets w a client off the street or subject or conducts an investigation,
                                > the
                                > > requester of information is the one he deals with.
                                > >
                                > > Violations in TCA 62- etc are a class a misdemeanors, not felonies. Civil
                                > > fines are assessed based on other criteria, not data brokering.
                                > >
                                > > FWIW Here's a good example of why guys like bill are great to utilize:
                                > >
                                > > Atty A needs specific data to help his client and case, instead of handing
                                > > out a hundred subpoenas, or beating a paralegal into making thousands of
                                > > phone calls( all billed at .25 of the hourly),atty a calls his PI and says
                                > I
                                > > need specific data. What you find for me will help simplify my chase, and
                                > > narrow it down to 1,and keep me from losing another paralegal.
                                > >
                                > > A simple fax call or email to someone like bill that yields successful
                                > > results is a win win. Once the atty gets what he needs, it his under his
                                > > work product doctrine. No one's going to jail, or getting fined for using
                                > > bill or any other co like him. It's what you do with your Intel after you
                                > > get it that counts.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > One thing that bill offers that others don't, is that he'll show you how
                                > to
                                > > conduct your own data mining. for a reasonable fee.
                                > >
                                > > What IRB doesn't tell you is how they sell accublaht nextus lextus to law
                                > > firms which means a huge loss to all PI's who run subject locates and more
                                > w
                                > > IRB. That cost us a lot in fees.IRB doesn't have a TN PI license nor do
                                > > their employees under IRB ,yet they sell data in TN as well....Class A mis
                                > > or E felony,
                                > >
                                > > If I missed something show me the (*&(* law that says it's illegal to use
                                > > the Confidential Intelligence network, or anything similar...
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Group note: My reply was written as a tribute to Barry Kinter, long and
                                > > precise. My analogies only serve to help some of those that spend time
                                > > debating why you have to hit start to shutdown windows, AND Bill Hearn
                                > likes
                                > > to help PI's, without earning a dime sometimes, unlike some PI's who like
                                > to
                                > > fleece others ( not referring to you David).
                                > >
                                > > We lost cell records because of greed, the only thing that bothered me
                                > about
                                > > it was that the folks that started the crap over it were from our own
                                > > industry. Some are the same ones that import their crap from china, and
                                > use
                                > > emperors clothes tactics to sell it to the unknowing. Point is they got
                                > > involved in crap they should have left alone,and instead created a ruckus
                                > > with self promotion at interest.
                                > >
                                > > Guys like Bill are not just great assets to have, but demonstrate true
                                > > character. Guys w true character are great to have on any team because
                                > we've
                                > > already been flooded with "characters".
                                > >
                                > > There are good data folks out there,along with Bill,that do the same as
                                > > Bill, that aren't guilty of anything except being diligent.
                                > >
                                > > About a year ago we were helping a family pro bono to find their son, a US
                                > > navy sailor, who went missing. Bill was the first to step up and call
                                > me,on
                                > > his own, and offer anything I needed without a single reference to
                                > > money.THATS Character. I didn't get that from the big data provider. Just
                                > > another invoice..
                                > >
                                > > Rant mode off, have to feed a monkey with a slingshot
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Mitch Davis
                                > >
                                > > TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
                                > >
                                > > 20 Music Square West,Suite 208
                                > >
                                > > Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
                                > >
                                > > 615.251.0441
                                > >
                                > > Fax 615.523.0300
                                > >
                                > > www.tscmusa.com
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ***********************************
                                > >
                                > > "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"
                                > >
                                > > *****************************************
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to
                                > > which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,
                                > > confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the
                                > reader
                                > > of this message is not the intended recipient or agent responsible for
                                > > delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
                                > > that any dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly
                                > > prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error,
                                > > please delete it from your system without copying it and notify the sender
                                > > by reply e-mail so that the email address record can be corrected. Thank
                                > > you.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@]
                                > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:32 PM
                                > > To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                                >
                                > > Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Bill:
                                > >
                                > > You do know that you need a PI license to offer these services, don't you?
                                > > Anyone who buys these services - and you - will have committed a class A
                                > > misdemeanor and possibly class E felony, depending on the state.
                                > >
                                > > David Childe, CFA
                                > > Legal Research & Investigation
                                > > Memphis, TN 38103
                                > > Licensed
                                > >
                                > > --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                                > <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "BILLH" <consources@> wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > Group...
                                > > >
                                > > > I would like to introduce the "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                                > > >
                                > > > Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases
                                > > > that you have access to, such as IRB, Locate plus, and Merlin Data,
                                > > > to name a few. Well CIN has Access to deeper info, thats better. You
                                > > > will not have to pay a monthly fee, just pay per call. "We are NOT
                                > > > a Reseller of any Database".
                                > > >
                                > > > You will also receive a consultation reading of your purchased
                                > > > report, showing you how to proceed with the info provided. We also
                                > > > help you devise a pretext for your specific needs, if its for a
                                > > > legal/permissable reason, such as Insurance Fraud Investigations.
                                > > >
                                > > > We have POE searchs, Current Debt searchs, CNA phone searchs, GLB
                                > > > compliant Financial searchs, Utility record searchs, Email tracing,
                                > > > International searchs, Plus alot more...
                                > > >
                                > > > We will also help Consult on the info that you already have
                                > > > purchased from your own DB source. Helping you with over 60 years
                                > > > of combined Investigative experience, to understand, and proceed
                                > > > with your case in a Professional manner.
                                > > >
                                > > > The pricing is set to what is agreed upon at the time of the
                                > > > consultation. The call is free, so after we agree upon a price
                                > > > for services rendered, your Credit card is debited by AT&T, all
                                > > > of your Financial info is collected by them. We do not have access
                                > > > to any Financial info. Most pricing will be in the range of $10.oo
                                > > > and up, depending on your needs.
                                > > >
                                > > > So if you have a need for such a service, or you have any
                                > > > questions, please contact us asap.
                                > > >
                                > > > Confidential Intelligence Network
                                > > > POB 407
                                > > > SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                                > > > 253-862-3037 Voice
                                > > > 888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                                > > > consources@
                                > > > http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                                > > > Bill Hearn
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
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                                > >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
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                                >
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                                >
                              • RickyG
                                David Childe, First of all; Bill Hearn is NOT in Tennessee he is in Washington State. I don t see how you can apply the laws that regulate the P.I. Business in
                                Message 15 of 16 , Mar 18 8:23 AM
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                                  David Childe,

                                  First of all; Bill Hearn is NOT in Tennessee he is in Washington State. I don't see how you can apply the laws that regulate the P.I. Business in Tennessee to a resident of Washington State?

                                  Second of all; Bill Hearn has been doing this a long time (over 10 years). My thoughts are that IF he is or has been doing anything illegal in Washington, surely the state of Washington would have had several complaints, conducted their investigations into the matter, and would have charged him by now.

                                  Third of all; since you are in Tennessee and Bill Hearn is in Washington state, why do you even care? And if you think there is a good and compelling reason to care; why don't you follow the prescribed remedy and submit a complaint to the state of Washington and let the state of Washington look into it? Seems to me like you just want to "pick a fight" with Bill Hearn. If you had a legitimate concern you'd submit the complaint instead of running your damned mouth on these groups about what he is doing!

                                  Personally speaking; I don't think Bill Hearn is conducting Private Investigations. I suppose though that it all depends on how the laws are worded in the state of Washington. But in my mind there has always been a significant difference in "Information Brokers" and "Private Investigators". Perhaps I am wrong about that? But I don't think most of the database companies that do live searches, including pulling courthouse records and education verifications have P.I. Licenses.....?


                                  Ricky Gurley.


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                                  --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com, kateolen48@... wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Well said! Thanks for sharing my sentiments.
                                  >
                                  > Catherine L. Olen, LPI
                                  > Kissimmee, FL 34759
                                  > FL PI LIC A2700353/C2600852
                                  > Sent from my BlackBerry® on the MetroPCS Network
                                  >
                                  > -----Original Message-----
                                  > From: "TSCM/SO Group" <MitchD@...>
                                  > Sender: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:54:22
                                  > To: <infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Reply-To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                                  >
                                  > I know the PI laws very well.. Again Bill Hearn doesn't run investigations
                                  > and has more than an armful of reasons to be able to locate or assist with a
                                  > subject locate Pre texting goes on in all arenas. You have an article on
                                  > your website that indicates you use them as well, so what's the point about
                                  > pretexting???
                                  >
                                  > How much money he spends on resources is his business. Paying someone for
                                  > information regardless of where it comes from doesn't constitute an
                                  > investigation. Paying someone for intellectual property is different than
                                  > paying someone for PI services.
                                  >
                                  > I would think that you would have more to do with your time than blast Bill
                                  > Hearn. If you actually conduct real world research you would never dismiss
                                  > an asset or source of information. This isn't wall street with ego money and
                                  > antics or a collection business using old phonebooks with limited resources.
                                  > If you have a bone to pick with Bill Hearn, do us a favor and take it off
                                  > list. And for the record, anyone using bill Hearn or any other data broker
                                  > or information provider isn't guilty of anything except for doing a better
                                  > job for a client..
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Mitch Davis
                                  >
                                  > TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
                                  >
                                  > 20 Music Square West,Suite 208
                                  >
                                  > Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
                                  >
                                  > 615.251.0441
                                  >
                                  > Fax 615.523.0300
                                  >
                                  > www.tscmusa.com
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ***********************************
                                  >
                                  > "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"
                                  >
                                  > *****************************************
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to
                                  > which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,
                                  > confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader
                                  > of this message is not the intended recipient or agent responsible for
                                  > delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
                                  > that any dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly
                                  > prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error,
                                  > please delete it from your system without copying it and notify the sender
                                  > by reply e-mail so that the email address record can be corrected. Thank
                                  > you.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@...]
                                  > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 7:32 AM
                                  > To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Just look up the definition of "investigation" in the TN statute. Hearn
                                  > operates mainly by using pretexts. He is certainly not spending millions of
                                  > dollars putting together a database of his own to compete against IRB.
                                  > Helping you find your subject clearly falls under the definition of
                                  > investigation in Tennessee. It doesn't matter that you are licensed.
                                  >
                                  > David Childe, CFA
                                  > Legal Research & Investigation
                                  > Memphis, TN 38103
                                  > Licensed in TN
                                  >
                                  > --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                                  > <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "TSCM/SO Group" <MitchD@>
                                  > wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Not true. Complete BS.
                                  > >
                                  > > He's not offering investigation services to the public, he's offering
                                  > > research to licensed entities. It's no different in simple form than what
                                  > > most data providers offer It's the same as offering access to his own
                                  > > personal up to date nationwide directory of xyz that he's compiled. He
                                  > never
                                  > > meets w a client off the street or subject or conducts an investigation,
                                  > the
                                  > > requester of information is the one he deals with.
                                  > >
                                  > > Violations in TCA 62- etc are a class a misdemeanors, not felonies. Civil
                                  > > fines are assessed based on other criteria, not data brokering.
                                  > >
                                  > > FWIW Here's a good example of why guys like bill are great to utilize:
                                  > >
                                  > > Atty A needs specific data to help his client and case, instead of handing
                                  > > out a hundred subpoenas, or beating a paralegal into making thousands of
                                  > > phone calls( all billed at .25 of the hourly),atty a calls his PI and says
                                  > I
                                  > > need specific data. What you find for me will help simplify my chase, and
                                  > > narrow it down to 1,and keep me from losing another paralegal.
                                  > >
                                  > > A simple fax call or email to someone like bill that yields successful
                                  > > results is a win win. Once the atty gets what he needs, it his under his
                                  > > work product doctrine. No one's going to jail, or getting fined for using
                                  > > bill or any other co like him. It's what you do with your Intel after you
                                  > > get it that counts.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > One thing that bill offers that others don't, is that he'll show you how
                                  > to
                                  > > conduct your own data mining. for a reasonable fee.
                                  > >
                                  > > What IRB doesn't tell you is how they sell accublaht nextus lextus to law
                                  > > firms which means a huge loss to all PI's who run subject locates and more
                                  > w
                                  > > IRB. That cost us a lot in fees.IRB doesn't have a TN PI license nor do
                                  > > their employees under IRB ,yet they sell data in TN as well....Class A mis
                                  > > or E felony,
                                  > >
                                  > > If I missed something show me the (*&(* law that says it's illegal to use
                                  > > the Confidential Intelligence network, or anything similar...
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Group note: My reply was written as a tribute to Barry Kinter, long and
                                  > > precise. My analogies only serve to help some of those that spend time
                                  > > debating why you have to hit start to shutdown windows, AND Bill Hearn
                                  > likes
                                  > > to help PI's, without earning a dime sometimes, unlike some PI's who like
                                  > to
                                  > > fleece others ( not referring to you David).
                                  > >
                                  > > We lost cell records because of greed, the only thing that bothered me
                                  > about
                                  > > it was that the folks that started the crap over it were from our own
                                  > > industry. Some are the same ones that import their crap from china, and
                                  > use
                                  > > emperors clothes tactics to sell it to the unknowing. Point is they got
                                  > > involved in crap they should have left alone,and instead created a ruckus
                                  > > with self promotion at interest.
                                  > >
                                  > > Guys like Bill are not just great assets to have, but demonstrate true
                                  > > character. Guys w true character are great to have on any team because
                                  > we've
                                  > > already been flooded with "characters".
                                  > >
                                  > > There are good data folks out there,along with Bill,that do the same as
                                  > > Bill, that aren't guilty of anything except being diligent.
                                  > >
                                  > > About a year ago we were helping a family pro bono to find their son, a US
                                  > > navy sailor, who went missing. Bill was the first to step up and call
                                  > me,on
                                  > > his own, and offer anything I needed without a single reference to
                                  > > money.THATS Character. I didn't get that from the big data provider. Just
                                  > > another invoice..
                                  > >
                                  > > Rant mode off, have to feed a monkey with a slingshot
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Mitch Davis
                                  > >
                                  > > TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
                                  > >
                                  > > 20 Music Square West,Suite 208
                                  > >
                                  > > Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
                                  > >
                                  > > 615.251.0441
                                  > >
                                  > > Fax 615.523.0300
                                  > >
                                  > > www.tscmusa.com
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ***********************************
                                  > >
                                  > > "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence"
                                  > >
                                  > > *****************************************
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to
                                  > > which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,
                                  > > confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the
                                  > reader
                                  > > of this message is not the intended recipient or agent responsible for
                                  > > delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
                                  > > that any dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly
                                  > > prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error,
                                  > > please delete it from your system without copying it and notify the sender
                                  > > by reply e-mail so that the email address record can be corrected. Thank
                                  > > you.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > From: dcc7 [mailto:childe@]
                                  > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:32 PM
                                  > > To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  >
                                  > > Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Bill:
                                  > >
                                  > > You do know that you need a PI license to offer these services, don't you?
                                  > > Anyone who buys these services - and you - will have committed a class A
                                  > > misdemeanor and possibly class E felony, depending on the state.
                                  > >
                                  > > David Childe, CFA
                                  > > Legal Research & Investigation
                                  > > Memphis, TN 38103
                                  > > Licensed
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                                  > <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "BILLH" <consources@> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Group...
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I would like to introduce the "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases
                                  > > > that you have access to, such as IRB, Locate plus, and Merlin Data,
                                  > > > to name a few. Well CIN has Access to deeper info, thats better. You
                                  > > > will not have to pay a monthly fee, just pay per call. "We are NOT
                                  > > > a Reseller of any Database".
                                  > > >
                                  > > > You will also receive a consultation reading of your purchased
                                  > > > report, showing you how to proceed with the info provided. We also
                                  > > > help you devise a pretext for your specific needs, if its for a
                                  > > > legal/permissable reason, such as Insurance Fraud Investigations.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > We have POE searchs, Current Debt searchs, CNA phone searchs, GLB
                                  > > > compliant Financial searchs, Utility record searchs, Email tracing,
                                  > > > International searchs, Plus alot more...
                                  > > >
                                  > > > We will also help Consult on the info that you already have
                                  > > > purchased from your own DB source. Helping you with over 60 years
                                  > > > of combined Investigative experience, to understand, and proceed
                                  > > > with your case in a Professional manner.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > The pricing is set to what is agreed upon at the time of the
                                  > > > consultation. The call is free, so after we agree upon a price
                                  > > > for services rendered, your Credit card is debited by AT&T, all
                                  > > > of your Financial info is collected by them. We do not have access
                                  > > > to any Financial info. Most pricing will be in the range of $10.oo
                                  > > > and up, depending on your needs.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > So if you have a need for such a service, or you have any
                                  > > > questions, please contact us asap.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Confidential Intelligence Network
                                  > > > POB 407
                                  > > > SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                                  > > > 253-862-3037 Voice
                                  > > > 888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                                  > > > consources@
                                  > > > http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                                  > > > Bill Hearn
                                  > > >
                                  > >
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                                • BILL HEARN
                                  SEARCH TYPE  TURN AROUND TIME   PRICE Social Security # or SS VERIFICATION-this search is done through the Social Security Administration Same Day $60.00
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                                    SEARCH TYPE  TURN AROUND TIME   PRICE
                                    Social Security # or SS VERIFICATION-this search is done through the Social Security Administration
                                    Same Day $60.00
                                    FEIN – Locate Federal Tax ID Number
                                    1-3 business days
                                    $75.00
                                     ASSET SEARCH-Nationwide real property, national bank account search, current employment search, corporations and business affiliations, brokerages and mutual funds, credit history, trademarks and patents litigation, nationwide vehicles, UCC filings, and Current Debt accounts. This is our most comprehensive search, ideal for large judgments, insurance investigations and estates.
                                    10-15 business days $1500-

                                    BASIC ASSET SEARCH- this search locates 1) current employment and 2) a bank account. A $40 charge is applied for any search submitted without a Social Security number or $75 to find Federal Tax ID number.
                                    5-7 business days
                                    $850 –Would be $970 if ordered separately

                                    STATE WIDE BANK ACCOUNT SEARCH-
                                    Locates accounts identified by the subject’s social security number or Federal Tax ID number – regardless of account title. Exclusions not accepted. Bank account balance may be provided, but to maintain GLBA compliance the account number is not. A $40 charge is applied for any search submitted without a Social Security number or $75 to obtain FEIN number if needed.
                                    5-7 business days
                                    $600.00
                                    NATIONAL BANK SEARCH – National search for all accounts identified by submitted tax I.D. Full report of all accounts located and banks searched. Account balances may be provided but to maintain GLBA compliance account numbers are not. A $40 charge is applied for any search submitted without a Social Security number or $75 to obtain FEIN number.
                                    5-7 business days
                                    $1200.00
                                    INTERNATIONAL BANK SEARCH
                                    Varies-call for specifics
                                    See separate attachment
                                    BANK BALANCE CHECK: We will check the balance of any account that we have previously located one time or we will monitor an account for 30 days, giving balance 3 times over the month and will contact you with the best day to levy
                                    5-7 business days
                                    $375
                                    MUTUAL FUNDS AND BROKEAGE SEARCH – Locates accounts in the largest brokerages and mutual fund companies, including closed accounts. Also includes self-directed brokerage accounts.
                                    10-15 business days
                                    $1000.00
                                    EMPLOYMENT- Current employment whether salaried, per diem or hourly. If subject is self employed, results will be reported and a charge
                                    incurred. A $40 charge is applied for any search submitted without a social security number.
                                    5-7 business days
                                    $225.00
                                    NET EQUITY REAL PROPERTY SEARCH –this search locates all of the current encumbrances, i.e. mortgages, liens, abstracts of judgment, etc and subtracts those figures from the best estimates as to current market value in order to arrive at a net equity. This search is conducted on a time and materials basis with a minimum charge of two hours at $175 per hour.
                                    1-3 business days
                                    $250.00 minimum
                                    CREDIT INFORMATION
                                    Credit Report- requires signed authorization of consumer
                                    Same Day
                                    $35.00
                                     BACKGROUND / DUE DILIGENCE - Tailored to the client. See below. Depends upon the scope and depth $175 an hour
                                    SKIP TRACING
                                    Verified Locate- Find addresses provided by database searches and verify with additional information sources.
                                    1-5 business days for a verified locate.
                                    $125 per hour- (Generally, a verified locate takes between 3-5 hours.)
                                     TELEPHONES- Landline and cellular
                                    Name and address from telephone number
                                    1-3 days
                                    $175
                                    Telephone number from subscriber name and social security number
                                    1-3 days
                                    $275

                                    SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS AND DESCRIPTION OF SERVICES :
                                    BANK ACCOUNT SEARCHES
                                    Regarding banking account searches, you must have a permissible purpose to make the inquiry. We conduct our searches in compliance with all the provisions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (GLBA) and the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCR)
                                    The permissible purposes are: 1) Debt Collection 2) Judgment Collection 3) Authorized Matrimonial Investigation 4) Authorized Estate Investigation 5) Child Support Collection 6) Court order or subpoena 6) Authorized Employment Background 7) As a potential investor or servicer or current insurer in connection with a validation or, an assessment of the credit or prepayment risks associated with, an existing credit obligation 8) Credit transaction involving extension of credit to the consumer or review or collection of an account 9) Determination of consumer’s eligibility for a license or other benefit granted by a government instrumentality required by law to consider an applicant’s financial responsibility or status 10) By written permission of the consumer to whom it relates 11) Underwriting of insurance involving the consumer 12) Legitimate business need for the information in connection with a business transaction that is initiated by the consumer
                                     or to review an account to determine whether the consumer continues to meet the terms of the account.
                                    If you are not sure if your purpose is a permissible one, please call us and we can tell you if it is or not.
                                    You must provide a complete social security number. If you don’t have one, we can provide it at the cost shown above. The same applies for an FEIN if you are conducting a business account search.
                                    To maintain compliance with GLBA, we do not report account numbers. You will be given the name and location of the financial institution and a description of the accounts in that institution with either most the recent balance or the average balance over the past thirty days; this depends upon the individual institutions reporting protocols.
                                    DATABASE BACKGROUND and DUE DILIGENCE SEARCHES
                                    All of our background investigations are tailored to the needs of the client. For example, a client contemplating entering into a long term business agreement with the subject may wish to focus exclusively on the subject’s prior business dealings, while a client contemplating naming the subject to a non-profit board of directors may wish to focus more on the subject’s philanthropic background and endeavors. A Basic background investigation can run between 3-5 hours, while an in-depth, from birth-to-present date inquiry can run 6-8 hours or more.
                                    A Basic search includes verification of the social security number, current address of the subject, telephone number, if listed, and historical listing of prior addresses. It also includes a search for bankruptcy filings, tax liens and judgments.
                                    A Comprehensive search includes: all of the data shown in the basic search PLUS a real property search (includes address of property, assessor’s parcel number, date of purchase, purchase price if shown and name of prior owner of property or name of the buyer in the case of a sale of the property); officer/director of corporations search; fictitious business name search; business licenses search; professional license/certificate verification; Uniform Commercial Code filings as debtor or creditor, general jurisdiction civil and criminal searches for the county in which the subject current resides; federal civil and criminal records search for the district in which the subject currently resides; United States Tax Court; Office of Foreign Assets Controls-Specially designated Nationals and Blocked Persons; Excluded Parties List System (information on parties that are excluded from receiving Federal contracts); full newspaper search and search of Internet
                                     and social networking sites.
                                    SKIP TRACING
                                    Our locates are not just “database dumps”, which are what is available on many low-cost Internet search sites. We do not rely simply on raw data to determine where the subject can be found. We always verify information that we develop by either direct contact with the subject (when appropriate we use a pretext), a nearby neighbor, a relative, current employer or through proprietary information sources. This information is in support of the database information already acquired. Generally, we can do a verified locate in 3-5 hours, but in some cases, such as fugitives from the law, active credit criminals and other individuals on the edge of society, it may require more work
                                     
                                    Confidential Sources
                                    POB 407
                                    SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                                    253-862-3037 Voice
                                    consources@...
                                    WA. REG. PROCESS SERVER #13888
                                    WDOR#602 138 029
                                    Member: International Process Servers Assoc.
                                    BILL HEARN
                                     


                                    --- On Tue, 3/15/11, BILLH <consources@...> wrote:


                                    From: BILLH <consources@...>
                                    Subject: [infoguys-list] "Confidential Intelligence Network"
                                    To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
                                    Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:11 PM


                                     



                                    Group...

                                    I would like to introduce the "Confidential Intelligence Network"

                                    Most people in our industry know of the most Popular databases
                                    that you have access to, such as IRB, Locate plus, and Merlin Data,
                                    to name a few. Well CIN has Access to deeper info, thats better. You
                                    will not have to pay a monthly fee, just pay per call. "We are NOT
                                    a Reseller of any Database".

                                    You will also receive a consultation reading of your purchased
                                    report, showing you how to proceed with the info provided. We also
                                    help you devise a pretext for your specific needs, if its for a
                                    legal/permissable reason, such as Insurance Fraud Investigations.

                                    We have POE searchs, Current Debt searchs, CNA phone searchs, GLB
                                    compliant Financial searchs, Utility record searchs, Email tracing,
                                    International searchs, Plus alot more...

                                    We will also help Consult on the info that you already have
                                    purchased from your own DB source. Helping you with over 60 years
                                    of combined Investigative experience, to understand, and proceed
                                    with your case in a Professional manner.

                                    The pricing is set to what is agreed upon at the time of the
                                    consultation. The call is free, so after we agree upon a price
                                    for services rendered, your Credit card is debited by AT&T, all
                                    of your Financial info is collected by them. We do not have access
                                    to any Financial info. Most pricing will be in the range of $10.oo
                                    and up, depending on your needs.

                                    So if you have a need for such a service, or you have any
                                    questions, please contact us asap.

                                    Confidential Intelligence Network
                                    POB 407
                                    SOUTH PRAIRIE, WA. 98385
                                    253-862-3037 Voice
                                    888-693-8437 ext 04390876 CIN services
                                    consources@...
                                    http://www.confidentialtrainingconsultants.com/
                                    Bill Hearn








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