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  • CW Sellers
    Colleagues, by standers and listeners in, For your edification and information; A cell phone ping is quite simply the process of determining the location,
    Message 1 of 2 , Sep 6, 2010
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      Colleagues, by standers and listeners in,

      For your edification and information;

      A cell phone "ping" is quite simply the process of determining the location,
      with reasonable accuracy, of a cell phone at any given point in time by
      utilizing the phone GPS location aware capabilities. To "ping" in this
      context means to send a signal to a particular cell phone and have it
      respond with the requested data. The term is derived from SONAR and
      echolocation when a technician would send out a sound wave, or ping, and
      wait for its return to locate another object.

      New generation cell phones and mobile service providers are required by
      federal mandate to be or become GPS capable so that 911 operators will be
      able to determine the location of a caller who is making an emergency phone
      call. Some commercial companies have indicated that they have either
      developed sources within mobile telephone service providers to be able to
      get this information upon request or have access to the software interfaces
      to accomplish this on their own (or some variant thereof).

      When a new digital cell phone is pinged, it determines its latitude and
      longitude via GPS and sends these coordinates back via the SMS system (the
      same system used to send text messages). This means that in instances where
      a fugitive or other missing person has a GPS enabled cell phone (and that it
      has power when being polled, or pinged) that the cell phone can be located
      within a reasonable geographic area- some say within several feet of the
      cell phone.

      Other additional information on the issue;



      <http://pursuitmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/cell-phones.jpg>
      http://pursuitmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/cell-phones-300x225.jpgI
      will include this article since cell phone pings have always been something
      of an urban legend among the private investigation and bail enforcement
      communities. However, I do know for certain that it is absolutely possible
      and that many fugitives and abducted children have been recovered through
      the use of cell phone pinging by various State and Federal law enforcement
      agencies. Do you remember when President Bush went to the Middle East on a
      surprise visit to the troops not too long ago? The media made a big deal
      about the fact that the Secret Service made everyone onboard Air Force One,
      including the President, take the battery out of their cell phones so that
      the "real bad guys" didn't know of their location. Voila! (Cell phone
      pinging has gotten someone's attention.) I was convinced to include the
      article because a trusted peer indicated that he too had luck with a locate
      at one time and anyone interested in locating another person may at least
      have the need to understand the technology and the process of locating
      cellular phones.

      There are two ways a cellular network provider can locate a phone connected
      to their network, either through pinging or triangulation. Pinging is a
      digital process and triangulation is an analog process.

      A cell phone "ping" is quite simply the process of determining the location,
      with reasonable accuracy, of a cell phone at any given point in time by
      utilizing the phone GPS location aware capabilities. To "ping" in this
      context means to send a signal to a particular cell phone and have it
      respond with the requested data. The term is derived from SONAR and
      echolocation when a technician would send out a sound wave, or ping, and
      wait for its return to locate another object. New generation cell phones and
      mobile service providers are required by federal mandate, via the "E-911"
      program, to be or become GPS capable so that 911 operators will be able to
      determine the location of a caller who is making an emergency phone call.
      When a new digital cell phone is pinged, it determines its latitude and
      longitude via GPS and sends these coordinates back via the SMS system (the
      same system used to send text messages). This means that in instances where
      a fugitive or other missing person has a GPS enabled cell phone (and that
      the phone has power when being polled, or pinged) that the cell phone can be
      located within a reasonable geographic area- some say within several feet of
      the cell phone.

      With the older style analog cellular phones and digital mobile phones that
      are not GPS capable the cellular network provider can determine where the
      phone is to within a hundred feet or so using "triangulation" because at any
      one time, the phone is usually able to communicate with more than one of the
      aerial arrays provided by the phone network. The cell towers are typically 6
      to 12 miles apart (less in cities) and a phone is usually within range of at
      least three of them. By comparing the signal strength and time lag for the
      phone's carrier signal to reach at each tower, the network provider can
      triangulate the phone's approximate position.

      Similar technology is used to track down lost aircraft and yachts through
      their radio beacons. It's not identical because most radio beacons use
      satellites and older cell phones use land-based aerial arrays but the
      principle is the same.

      Not surprisingly, the phone network companies are shy about admitting they
      have this ability. The triangulation and pinging capability of mobile phone
      network companies varies according to the age of their equipment. A few can
      only do it manually with a big drain on skilled manpower. But these days
      most companies can generate the information automatically, which makes it
      cheap enough to sell.

      Some nefarious service providers have indicated that they have either
      developed sources within mobile telephone service providers to be able to
      get this information upon request or have access to the software interfaces
      to accomplish this on their own (or some variant thereof). I highly suspect
      that these "cell phone ping service providers" I see advertising from time
      to time are actually using a good ol' fashioned pretext to obtain the
      location of a cell phone rather than using an actual ping. If you do come
      across a real provider, please let me know.

      There you have it- the short course regarding the technical capability of
      locating cell phones and those who possess them either through pinging or
      triangulation. Again, I cannot speak to the commercial availability of such
      a service but like anything else in the investigative business; for now I
      believe that mobile-phone pinging is largely urban myth among private
      investigators, fugitive recovery investigators and skip tracers.

      This should clear things up and put the myth to sleep,



      C. W. Sellers
      Owner/Manager of Investigations



      The Sellers Investigative Group

      "Truth Revealed by Professionals"



      CASE-CLOSED



      CA PI 25415

      Direct: (209) 568-8744

      Field Fax (209) 523-5350

      Email: cwsellers@...



      PO Box 5

      Ceres, California 95307-0005



      Visit us NOW!

      www.TSIGUSA.com <http://www.tsigusa.com/>

      and on

      LinkedIn.com at

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    • suesarkis@aol.com
      1984 !!!!!????!!!!???? In a message dated 9/6/2010 9:48:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cwsellers@tsigusa.com writes: Colleagues, by standers and listeners in,
      Message 2 of 2 , Sep 6, 2010
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        1984 !!!!!????!!!!????



        In a message dated 9/6/2010 9:48:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
        cwsellers@... writes:




        Colleagues, by standers and listeners in,

        For your edification and information;

        A cell phone "ping" is quite simply the process of determining the
        location,
        with reasonable accuracy, of a cell phone at any given point in time by
        utilizing the phone GPS location aware capabilities. To "ping" in this
        context means to send a signal to a particular cell phone and have it
        respond with the requested data. The term is derived from SONAR and
        echolocation when a technician would send out a sound wave, or ping, and
        wait for its return to locate another object.

        New generation cell phones and mobile service providers are required by
        federal mandate to be or become GPS capable so that 911 operators will be
        able to determine the location of a caller who is making an emergency phone
        call. Some commercial companies have indicated that they have either
        developed sources within mobile telephone service providers to be able to
        get this information upon request or have access to the software interfaces
        to accomplish this on their own (or some variant thereof).

        When a new digital cell phone is pinged, it determines its latitude and
        longitude via GPS and sends these coordinates back via the SMS system (the
        same system used to send text messages). This means that in instances where
        a fugitive or other missing person has a GPS enabled cell phone (and that
        it
        has power when being polled, or pinged) that the cell phone can be located
        within a reasonable geographic area- some say within several feet of the
        cell phone.

        Other additional information on the issue;

        <_http://pursuitmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/cell-phones.jpg_
        (http://pursuitmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/cell-phones.jpg) >
        _http://pursuitmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/cell-phones-300x225.jpgI_
        (http://pursuitmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/cell-phones-300x225.jpgI)
        will include this article since cell phone pings have always been something
        of an urban legend among the private investigation and bail enforcement
        communities. However, I do know for certain that it is absolutely possible
        and that many fugitives and abducted children have been recovered through
        the use of cell phone pinging by various State and Federal law enforcement
        agencies. Do you remember when President Bush went to the Middle East on a
        surprise visit to the troops not too long ago? The media made a big deal
        about the fact that the Secret Service made everyone onboard Air Force One,
        including the President, take the battery out of their cell phones so that
        the "real bad guys" didn't know of their location. Voila! (Cell phone
        pinging has gotten someone's attention.) I was convinced to include the
        article because a trusted peer indicated that he too had luck with a locate
        at one time and anyone interested in locating another person may at least
        have the need to understand the technology and the process of locating
        cellular phones.

        There are two ways a cellular network provider can locate a phone connected
        to their network, either through pinging or triangulation. Pinging is a
        digital process and triangulation is an analog process.

        A cell phone "ping" is quite simply the process of determining the
        location,
        with reasonable accuracy, of a cell phone at any given point in time by
        utilizing the phone GPS location aware capabilities. To "ping" in this
        context means to send a signal to a particular cell phone and have it
        respond with the requested data. The term is derived from SONAR and
        echolocation when a technician would send out a sound wave, or ping, and
        wait for its return to locate another object. New generation cell phones
        and
        mobile service providers are required by federal mandate, via the "E-911"
        program, to be or become GPS capable so that 911 operators will be able to
        determine the location of a caller who is making an emergency phone call.
        When a new digital cell phone is pinged, it determines its latitude and
        longitude via GPS and sends these coordinates back via the SMS system (the
        same system used to send text messages). This means that in instances where
        a fugitive or other missing person has a GPS enabled cell phone (and that
        the phone has power when being polled, or pinged) that the cell phone can
        be
        located within a reasonable geographic area- some say within several feet
        of
        the cell phone.

        With the older style analog cellular phones and digital mobile phones that
        are not GPS capable the cellular network provider can determine where the
        phone is to within a hundred feet or so using "triangulation" because at
        any
        one time, the phone is usually able to communicate with more than one of
        the
        aerial arrays provided by the phone network. The cell towers are typically
        6
        to 12 miles apart (less in cities) and a phone is usually within range of
        at
        least three of them. By comparing the signal strength and time lag for the
        phone's carrier signal to reach at each tower, the network provider can
        triangulate the phone's approximate position.

        Similar technology is used to track down lost aircraft and yachts through
        their radio beacons. It's not identical because most radio beacons use
        satellites and older cell phones use land-based aerial arrays but the
        principle is the same.

        Not surprisingly, the phone network companies are shy about admitting they
        have this ability. The triangulation and pinging capability of mobile phone
        network companies varies according to the age of their equipment. A few can
        only do it manually with a big drain on skilled manpower. But these days
        most companies can generate the information automatically, which makes it
        cheap enough to sell.

        Some nefarious service providers have indicated that they have either
        developed sources within mobile telephone service providers to be able to
        get this information upon request or have access to the software interfaces
        to accomplish this on their own (or some variant thereof). I highly
        suspect
        that these "cell phone ping service providers" I see advertising from time
        to time are actually using a good ol' fashioned pretext to obtain the
        location of a cell phone rather than using an actual ping. If you do come
        across a real provider, please let me know.

        There you have it- the short course regarding the technical capability of
        locating cell phones and those who possess them either through pinging or
        triangulation. Again, I cannot speak to the commercial availability of such
        a service but like anything else in the investigative business; for now I
        believe that mobile-phone pinging is largely urban myth among private
        investigators, fugitive recovery investigators and skip tracers.

        This should clear things up and put the myth to sleep,

        C. W. Sellers
        Owner/Manager of Investigations

        The Sellers Investigative Group

        "Truth Revealed by Professionals"

        CASE-CLOSED

        CA PI 25415

        Direct: (209) 568-8744

        Field Fax (209) 523-5350

        Email: _cwsellers@..._ (mailto:cwsellers@...)

        PO Box 5

        Ceres, California 95307-0005

        Visit us NOW!

        www.TSIGUSA.com <_http://www.tsigusa.com/_ (http://www.tsigusa.com/) >

        and on

        LinkedIn.com at

        <_http://www.linkedin.com/in/tsigusa_ (http://www.linkedin.com/in/tsigusa)
        > _http://www.linkedin.com/in/tsigusa_ (http://www.linkedin.com/in/tsigusa)

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