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  • oracleintl@aol.com
    Good Morning Patrick, If I were you, I wouldn t spar with me either, but I suspect that your complete failure to answer the perfectly legitimate questions
    Message 1 of 2 , Jul 7, 2010
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      Good Morning Patrick,

      If I were you, I wouldn't spar with me either, but I suspect that your
      complete failure to answer the perfectly legitimate questions that I asked
      speaks volumes to those interested in this exchange.

      As for my publishing this to the FAPI list, I understand that you are a
      FAPI member, and, since I Chair the FAPI Ethics Committee, I think your
      activity on this list is relevant there to the extent that it raises ethical
      issues here.

      Now, if you should change your mind and choose to spar with me, feel free
      to rise to the occasion and demonstrate that you can perform. I'll not
      only pay off my wager, I'll apologize.

      C'mon . . . $50K just to come up with my offshore account number using
      any method you choose, GLB compliant or not!? I even offered to identify the
      Country (Austria) and the financial institution (Erste Bank).

      Man up Dude . . . impress us.

      Bill E. Branscum, Investigator
      Oracle International
      Naples, FL 34101
      (239) 304-1639 V
      (239) 304-1640 F
      (239) 641-6782 C
      www.FraudsAndScams.com

      PS. George, Bruce, Mish . . . and any of our other fine folks with
      significant financial experience, "Yes, it is what you probably think it is."

      ; )

      B



      In a message dated 7/7/2010 10:41:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
      pdjservices@... writes:




      Bill,

      This type of post is argumentative AT BEST, and the fact that you cc'd
      another list serve that had nothing to do with the topic should get the
      moderators attention.

      I will not publicly spar with you on this - I am sure you are good at what
      you
      do, while this type of work is not always a perfect science we do our best
      to be
      as thorough as possible.

      Kindest Regards,

      Patrick L. Baird, TLPE
      Private Investigator, Process Server
      Phone: 1-800-298-1153
      Fax: 1-800-297-0012
      PDJ Investigations – PI License A10979
      Nationwide Asset Location, Skip Tracing & Telephone Investigations
      www.PDJservices.com

      ________________________________
      From: "_oracleintl@..._ (mailto:oracleintl@...) "
      <_oracleintl@..._ (mailto:oracleintl@...) >
      To: _infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com)
      Cc: _FAPILIST@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:FAPILIST@yahoogroups.com)
      Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 8:29:28 PM
      Subject: Re: [infoguys-list] Bank Account Search Source


      I am curious as to the language - when you say it "Includes all Bank
      Accounts Located Nationwide," are you saying that you can identify all
      bank
      accounts nationwide, or just that the fee includes the ones you happen to
      locate nationwide? That could be read both ways.

      When you say, "with all active accounts" are you providing account
      numbers, balances, authorized signatories, date opened, . . . what exactly
      are
      you providing?

      Tell you what, let's not bother with a measly $395. I'll bet you (or
      anyone else) $5,000 against $500 that you cannot identify all my domestic
      bank
      accounts, and I'll bet $10,000 against $500 that you (or anyone else)
      cannot identify all my domestic bank accounts and satisfy a third party we
      can
      agree upon (the list owner for example) that you did it GLB compliant.

      In fact, I'll bet you $50,000 against $500 that you cannot reproduce my
      work product list of financial accounts in a recent case of mine, where I
      used subpoenas to "peel that onion" no matter what you do.

      Now when you say, "call about offshore" what would you say if I asked you
      to identify an offshore account - just one, and I'll tell you it is at a
      bank in Austria. How much will you charge to identify that bank and
      provide
      that account number?

      Rather than bait you unmercifully, let me make this really simple. If I
      tell you what bank holds my Austrian account, what will you charge to
      identify nothing more than the account number to our list owner?

      I copied this to the Florida Association of Private Investigators list as
      I want to share this point with them. I just get really tired of bullshit.

      Bill E. Branscum, Investigator
      Irascible Curmudgeon,
      Contumelious Cynic,
      Inveterate Skeptic &
      Incorrigible Purveyor of Pointed Prose
      Not to mention Former Special Agent, US Department of the Treasury

      Oracle International
      Naples, FL 34101
      (239) 304-1639 V
      (239) 304-1640 F
      (239) 641-6782 C
      www.FraudsAndScams.com

      In a message dated 7/6/2010 5:06:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
      _pdjservices@..._ (mailto:pdjservices@...) writes:

      Hello Dean,

      We can assist, this is what we specialize in since 1997, our information
      is guaranteed accurate, real-time & 100% GLB compliant. Our asset
      investigation is priced as follows: (I have attached a sample report for
      your
      review)
      * Standard Bank Search $175.00/$25 - Includes ONE Bank locate with all
      active accounts.
      * Statewide Bank Search $275.00/$25 - Includes all Banks located within a
      specific State with all active accounts.
      * Nationwide Bank Search $395.00/$100 - Includes all Bank Accounts Located
      Nationwide.
      * Nationwide Brokerage Search for Stocks & Bonds $450.00/$100.
      * Off Shore / International Assets / Banks - Depends On Country - Please
      Call.
      *The first fee listed is our fee if results are found, the second fee
      listed is our fee if there are no active accounts located under name & ss#.

      Simply reply to this email with the subjects name, address (or last known
      address), social security number and date of birth (if available) and we
      will get started immediately. Please include any special instructions and
      the type of Bank Investigation needed - if you would like our Asset Report
      included free of charge please indicate that on your request.

      Here is more information about us:

      My company, PDJ Investigations is a Nationwide Record Retrieval & Skip
      Tracing Agency. PDJ Investigations has been providing information to
      licensed
      investigators, law enforcement, financial institutions, attorneys and the
      like since 1997.

      We specialize in U.S. and International Telephone/Cellular Investigations,
      Employment Locates, Skip Tracing & Asset Investigations. We supply
      guaranteed accurate information researched by live investigators – No
      stale
      database information. Some of our services can be found at
      www.PDJservices.com
      . I have attached a listing of some the services we offer for your
      perusal.

      Why use PDJ, is this legal? We abide by all federal and state laws,
      including the GLB Act, FCRA and the FDCPA. During our investigation we do
      not
      pretext the consumer, bank or financial institution. The GLB Act does not
      prohibit bank searches, it just makes pre-texting financial institutions &

      consumers unlawful. PDJ and our investigators use several methods while
      identifying assets, one of which is access to a database that is used by
      banks and financial institutions that screens all potential new customers
      before an account is opened.

      Our Investigations Include:
      * Name & Address from Land Line or Wireless Number
      * Nationwide People Locates
      * Locate Active Land Line or Wireless Number
      * International & Nationwide Bank Account Locates
      * Employment Locates
      * Telephone / Wireless Investigations
      * Utility Searches
      * Driving Records / Tag or VIN Look-up (all states)
      * Social Security Number Acquisitions and Traces
      * Vehicle Tag / Vin Searches
      * Post Office Box Owner Information
      * Credit Reports
      * Email Breaks / IP Locates
      * Facebook / Myspace / Ebay Investigations
      * Anonymous Website Ownership Investigation
      * International Telephone / Wireless Information
      Guaranteed Lowest Price! We will meet or beat any competitors price!

      If I can be of assistance in any way, please do not hesitate to contact
      me.

      Kindest Regards,

      Patrick L. Baird, TLPE
      Private Investigator, Process Server
      Phone: 1-800-298-1153
      Fax: 1-800-297-0012
      Email: __pb@..._ (mailto:_pb@...) _ (mailto:_pb@..._
      (mailto:pb@...) )
      PDJ Investigations – PI License A10979
      Nationwide Asset Location, Skip Tracing & Telephone Investigations
      www.PDJservices.com

      Proud Member of the following Professional Associations;
      NCISS, NAIS, NTPIA, TALI, CALI, FALI, PICA, ACA, NAPPS, TPSA
      We offer substantial savings for volume accounts!

      ________________________________
      From: "Boerger Investigative Services, LLC" <__dean@..._
      (mailto:_dean@...) _
      (mailto:_dean@..._ (mailto:dean@...) ) >
      To: __private-investigators-PInow@yahoogroups.com_
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      Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 3:54:39 PM
      Subject: [infoguys-list] Bank Account Search Source

      Dear Members:

      I am in need of sources of bank account search companies that some of you
      have experience with for a judgment rendered on two individuals and a
      business. The business is established in West Virginia but operates in
      Virginia as well. I think that we need a nationwide search if that is
      possible.

      I also need to know if it is possible to search DMV records in Virginia for
      vehicles. I think that it was an issue last time I checked but if we have
      a
      judgment.

      No telephone calls please. Thanking everyone in advance for their
      anticipated responses.

      Stay Cool!

      Best regards,

      Dean Boerger
      Chief Investigator
      Boerger Investigative Services, LLC

      ( 877.754.8295| 7 800.377.8772 | * __dean@..._
      (mailto:_dean@...) _
      (mailto:_dean@..._ (mailto:dean@...) )
      Licensed in OH, IN, WV & DC
      Main Web: <__http://www.boergerpi.com/__ (http://www.boergerpi.com/_)
      (_http://www.boergerpi.com/_ (http://www.boergerpi.com/) ) >
      www.boergerpi.com

      BIS Companies:
      Strategic Training Group, LLC
      Web: www.strategictraining.org

      Surveillance Support Technologies, LTD
      Web: <__http://www.spygearcenter.com/__ (http://www.spygearcenter.com/_)
      (_http://www.spygearcenter.com/_ (http://www.spygearcenter.com/) ) >
      www.spygearcenter.com

      Active Member:
      IAPI - Past President | PISPWV - VP Education
      Web: <__http://www.iapi.net/__ (http://www.iapi.net/_)
      (_http://www.iapi.net/_ (http://www.iapi.net/) ) > www.iapi.net Web:
      www.pispwv.org
      NALI, NCISS, NSPII, OIA, OATIA, SOFAIA

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    • Patrick Baird
      Bill, I don t have time to waste on this nonsense.  I guess you lurk in the shadows and look for any opportunity to stroke your ego, I on the other hand have
      Message 2 of 2 , Jul 7, 2010
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        Bill,

        I don't have time to waste on this nonsense.  I guess you lurk in the shadows
        and look for any opportunity to stroke your ego, I on the other hand have more
        important things to do - this will be my last comment on this publicly or
        privately.
         
        Have a great day - I hope it gets more productive than this.

        Patrick L. Baird
        Direct Email: PB@...
        PDJ Investigations - License #A10979
        PO Box 788, Granbury, TX 76048 
        1-800-298-1153 Phone 
        1-800-297-0012 Fax
        Asset & Employment Locates - U.S. & International Telephone Investigations
        http://www.PDJPI.com




        ________________________________
        From: "oracleintl@..." <oracleintl@...>
        To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
        Cc: FAPILIST@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 10:18:53 AM
        Subject: Re: [infoguys-list] Bank Account Search Source - Response/Reply

         
        Good Morning Patrick,

        If I were you, I wouldn't spar with me either, but I suspect that your
        complete failure to answer the perfectly legitimate questions that I asked
        speaks volumes to those interested in this exchange.

        As for my publishing this to the FAPI list, I understand that you are a
        FAPI member, and, since I Chair the FAPI Ethics Committee, I think your
        activity on this list is relevant there to the extent that it raises ethical
        issues here.

        Now, if you should change your mind and choose to spar with me, feel free
        to rise to the occasion and demonstrate that you can perform. I'll not
        only pay off my wager, I'll apologize.

        C'mon . . . $50K just to come up with my offshore account number using
        any method you choose, GLB compliant or not!? I even offered to identify the
        Country (Austria) and the financial institution (Erste Bank).

        Man up Dude . . . impress us.

        Bill E. Branscum, Investigator
        Oracle International
        Naples, FL 34101
        (239) 304-1639 V
        (239) 304-1640 F
        (239) 641-6782 C
        www.FraudsAndScams.com

        PS. George, Bruce, Mish . . . and any of our other fine folks with
        significant financial experience, "Yes, it is what you probably think it is."

        ; )

        B



        In a message dated 7/7/2010 10:41:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
        pdjservices@... writes:

        Bill,

        This type of post is argumentative AT BEST, and the fact that you cc'd
        another list serve that had nothing to do with the topic should get the
        moderators attention.

        I will not publicly spar with you on this - I am sure you are good at what
        you
        do, while this type of work is not always a perfect science we do our best
        to be
        as thorough as possible.

        Kindest Regards,

        Patrick L. Baird, TLPE
        Private Investigator, Process Server
        Phone: 1-800-298-1153
        Fax: 1-800-297-0012
        PDJ Investigations – PI License A10979
        Nationwide Asset Location, Skip Tracing & Telephone Investigations
        www.PDJservices.com

        ________________________________
        From: "_oracleintl@..._ (mailto:oracleintl@...) "
        <_oracleintl@..._ (mailto:oracleintl@...) >
        To: _infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com)
        Cc: _FAPILIST@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:FAPILIST@yahoogroups.com)
        Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 8:29:28 PM
        Subject: Re: [infoguys-list] Bank Account Search Source

        I am curious as to the language - when you say it "Includes all Bank
        Accounts Located Nationwide," are you saying that you can identify all
        bank
        accounts nationwide, or just that the fee includes the ones you happen to
        locate nationwide? That could be read both ways.

        When you say, "with all active accounts" are you providing account
        numbers, balances, authorized signatories, date opened, . . . what exactly
        are
        you providing?

        Tell you what, let's not bother with a measly $395. I'll bet you (or
        anyone else) $5,000 against $500 that you cannot identify all my domestic
        bank
        accounts, and I'll bet $10,000 against $500 that you (or anyone else)
        cannot identify all my domestic bank accounts and satisfy a third party we
        can
        agree upon (the list owner for example) that you did it GLB compliant.

        In fact, I'll bet you $50,000 against $500 that you cannot reproduce my
        work product list of financial accounts in a recent case of mine, where I
        used subpoenas to "peel that onion" no matter what you do.

        Now when you say, "call about offshore" what would you say if I asked you
        to identify an offshore account - just one, and I'll tell you it is at a
        bank in Austria. How much will you charge to identify that bank and
        provide
        that account number?

        Rather than bait you unmercifully, let me make this really simple. If I
        tell you what bank holds my Austrian account, what will you charge to
        identify nothing more than the account number to our list owner?

        I copied this to the Florida Association of Private Investigators list as
        I want to share this point with them. I just get really tired of bullshit.

        Bill E. Branscum, Investigator
        Irascible Curmudgeon,
        Contumelious Cynic,
        Inveterate Skeptic &
        Incorrigible Purveyor of Pointed Prose
        Not to mention Former Special Agent, US Department of the Treasury

        Oracle International
        Naples, FL 34101
        (239) 304-1639 V
        (239) 304-1640 F
        (239) 641-6782 C
        www.FraudsAndScams.com

        In a message dated 7/6/2010 5:06:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
        _pdjservices@..._ (mailto:pdjservices@...) writes:

        Hello Dean,

        We can assist, this is what we specialize in since 1997, our information
        is guaranteed accurate, real-time & 100% GLB compliant. Our asset
        investigation is priced as follows: (I have attached a sample report for
        your
        review)
        * Standard Bank Search $175.00/$25 - Includes ONE Bank locate with all
        active accounts.
        * Statewide Bank Search $275.00/$25 - Includes all Banks located within a
        specific State with all active accounts.
        * Nationwide Bank Search $395.00/$100 - Includes all Bank Accounts Located
        Nationwide.
        * Nationwide Brokerage Search for Stocks & Bonds $450.00/$100.
        * Off Shore / International Assets / Banks - Depends On Country - Please
        Call.
        *The first fee listed is our fee if results are found, the second fee
        listed is our fee if there are no active accounts located under name & ss#.

        Simply reply to this email with the subjects name, address (or last known
        address), social security number and date of birth (if available) and we
        will get started immediately. Please include any special instructions and
        the type of Bank Investigation needed - if you would like our Asset Report
        included free of charge please indicate that on your request.

        Here is more information about us:

        My company, PDJ Investigations is a Nationwide Record Retrieval & Skip
        Tracing Agency. PDJ Investigations has been providing information to
        licensed
        investigators, law enforcement, financial institutions, attorneys and the
        like since 1997.

        We specialize in U.S. and International Telephone/Cellular Investigations,
        Employment Locates, Skip Tracing & Asset Investigations. We supply
        guaranteed accurate information researched by live investigators – No
        stale
        database information. Some of our services can be found at
        www.PDJservices.com
        . I have attached a listing of some the services we offer for your
        perusal.

        Why use PDJ, is this legal? We abide by all federal and state laws,
        including the GLB Act, FCRA and the FDCPA. During our investigation we do
        not
        pretext the consumer, bank or financial institution. The GLB Act does not
        prohibit bank searches, it just makes pre-texting financial institutions &

        consumers unlawful. PDJ and our investigators use several methods while
        identifying assets, one of which is access to a database that is used by
        banks and financial institutions that screens all potential new customers
        before an account is opened.

        Our Investigations Include:
        * Name & Address from Land Line or Wireless Number
        * Nationwide People Locates
        * Locate Active Land Line or Wireless Number
        * International & Nationwide Bank Account Locates
        * Employment Locates
        * Telephone / Wireless Investigations
        * Utility Searches
        * Driving Records / Tag or VIN Look-up (all states)
        * Social Security Number Acquisitions and Traces
        * Vehicle Tag / Vin Searches
        * Post Office Box Owner Information
        * Credit Reports
        * Email Breaks / IP Locates
        * Facebook / Myspace / Ebay Investigations
        * Anonymous Website Ownership Investigation
        * International Telephone / Wireless Information
        Guaranteed Lowest Price! We will meet or beat any competitors price!

        If I can be of assistance in any way, please do not hesitate to contact
        me.

        Kindest Regards,

        Patrick L. Baird, TLPE
        Private Investigator, Process Server
        Phone: 1-800-298-1153
        Fax: 1-800-297-0012
        Email: __pb@..._ (mailto:_pb@...) _ (mailto:_pb@..._
        (mailto:pb@...) )
        PDJ Investigations – PI License A10979
        Nationwide Asset Location, Skip Tracing & Telephone Investigations
        www.PDJservices.com

        Proud Member of the following Professional Associations;
        NCISS, NAIS, NTPIA, TALI, CALI, FALI, PICA, ACA, NAPPS, TPSA
        We offer substantial savings for volume accounts!

        ________________________________
        From: "Boerger Investigative Services, LLC" <__dean@..._
        (mailto:_dean@...) _
        (mailto:_dean@..._ (mailto:dean@...) ) >
        To: __private-investigators-PInow@yahoogroups.com_
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        Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 3:54:39 PM
        Subject: [infoguys-list] Bank Account Search Source

        Dear Members:

        I am in need of sources of bank account search companies that some of you
        have experience with for a judgment rendered on two individuals and a
        business. The business is established in West Virginia but operates in
        Virginia as well. I think that we need a nationwide search if that is
        possible.

        I also need to know if it is possible to search DMV records in Virginia for
        vehicles. I think that it was an issue last time I checked but if we have
        a
        judgment.

        No telephone calls please. Thanking everyone in advance for their
        anticipated responses.

        Stay Cool!

        Best regards,

        Dean Boerger
        Chief Investigator
        Boerger Investigative Services, LLC

        ( 877.754.8295| 7 800.377.8772 | * __dean@..._
        (mailto:_dean@...) _
        (mailto:_dean@..._ (mailto:dean@...) )
        Licensed in OH, IN, WV & DC
        Main Web: <__http://www.boergerpi.com/__ (http://www.boergerpi.com/_)
        (_http://www.boergerpi.com/_ (http://www.boergerpi.com/) ) >
        www.boergerpi.com

        BIS Companies:
        Strategic Training Group, LLC
        Web: www.strategictraining.org

        Surveillance Support Technologies, LTD
        Web: <__http://www.spygearcenter.com/__ (http://www.spygearcenter.com/_)
        (_http://www.spygearcenter.com/_ (http://www.spygearcenter.com/) ) >
        www.spygearcenter.com

        Active Member:
        IAPI - Past President | PISPWV - VP Education
        Web: <__http://www.iapi.net/__ (http://www.iapi.net/_)
        (_http://www.iapi.net/_ (http://www.iapi.net/) ) > www.iapi.net Web:
        www.pispwv.org
        NALI, NCISS, NSPII, OIA, OATIA, SOFAIA

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