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  • Debbie Peever
    Great info Vicki - thank you. We actually had a case recently that I turned down regarding trademark infringement, so I am happy to see I can gain answers to
    Message 1 of 5 , Jan 5, 2008
      Great info Vicki - thank you. We actually had a case recently that I
      turned down regarding trademark infringement, so I am happy to see I
      can gain answers to questions regarding this type of investigations
      as well!

      In regards to the nursing home abuse - is it the families of the
      patients that hire you? ... if so, is that just one offs?

      Debbie


      --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com, "Vicki Siedow"
      <SiedowAndAssociates@...> wrote:
      >
      > You're right about computer, and all other tech-related fields.
      Also elder
      > fraud/abuse and the related nursing home/psychiatric facility
      fraud/abuse.
      > I also do a lot of trademark violation work, identity theft and
      financial
      > fraud cases.
      >
      >
      >
      > Vicki Siedow
      > Siedow & Associates Investigations
      > & Legal Support Services
      > 2629 Foothill Blvd. #262
      > La Crescenta, CA 91214
      > Los Angeles County
      > CA PI License # 22852
      > 800.448.6431 toll free
      > 818.242.0130 local
      > 818.688.3295 fax
      > <http://siedow.lawandorder.com/> http://Siedow.LawAndOrder.com
      > <mailto:Siedow@...> Siedow@...
      > Member NCISS, IWWA
      > Certified Identity Theft Risk Management Specialist
      > Need economical legal help?
      > Concerned about Identity Theft?
      > Check the links on my site, or contact me directly.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > From: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:infoguys-
      list@yahoogroups.com]
      > On Behalf Of Debbie Peever
      > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:24 AM
      > To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [infoguys-list] Investigative Services
      >
      >
      >
      > Hi Group!
      >
      > I would like to find out what services are the most requested and
      which
      > you would consider to be "up and coming"
      >
      > After reading a few articles in the Business News and various
      papers, I
      > feel that Computer forensics are slowly making their way to a top
      ten
      > request of service. BUT, this comes at a price as well - as the
      > legalities of it are ever changing. Any views on pursuing this
      angle
      > of investigations solely for businesses concerned with their
      employee
      > time on the internet, computer emails etc? ...
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
    • Ricky Gurley
      ... wrote: feel that Computer forensics are slowly making their way to a top ten ... Digital Forensics work is not as easy to get into as one might believe.
      Message 2 of 5 , Jan 5, 2008
        --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com, "Debbie Peever" <debbie@...>
        wrote:
        feel that Computer forensics are slowly making their way to a top ten
        > request of service. BUT, this comes at a price as well - as the
        > legalities of it are ever changing. Any views on pursuing this angle
        > of investigations solely for businesses concerned with their employee
        > time on the internet, computer emails etc? ...


        Digital Forensics work is not as easy to get into as one might believe.
        First, there is a significant investment to be made into the tools that
        you need to do it the correct way. This investment can be
        somewhat "curtailed", if you are comfortable with, or are willing to
        become comfortable with Open Source Software for this type of work.
        Without the willingness to use Open Source Software, you can spend 10,
        20, even 50K or more in setting yourself up to handle digital forensics
        cases, and that is just in tools.

        If you are wanting to pursue investigations related to work place
        investigations regarding employee misuse of company computers, that
        will not be used in court, and will be used strictly to make a decision
        in regards to employee termination; then Digital Forensics Software
        might be a little "overkill" (especially in "right to work" states).
        There are programs that you can buy and even get for free that are not
        as "forensically sound" in their approach, but would meet the needs of
        investigations that are focused on company computer misuse; that will
        not go to court. However, you might note that some of this type of
        company computer misuse is more than likely going to involve certain
        types of criminal activity, i.e. downloading child pornography; at
        which point it becomes a matter of stopping your investigation,
        properly shutting down the computer, and bringing in Law Enforcement.

        I am surprised quite often when someone says they want to get into
        digital forensics, for recovering data on computers that have crashed,
        or for investigations that are typically not court related. I generally
        ask the question: "Do you know the meaning of the word "forensic"?
        Often their answer is wrong, so I take that opportunity to hopefully
        let them learn something from the conversation. The modern use of the
        word "forensic" just means that whatever it is applied to is going to
        be used in court. Specifically, for those that would "nitpick", the
        definition is:

        "Forensic 1) adj. from Latin forensis for "belonging to the forum,"
        ancient Rome's site for public debate, and currently meaning pertaining
        to the courts. Thus, forensic testimony or forensic medicine are used
        to assist the court or the attorneys in legal matters, including
        trials."

        So, understand that when the term "forensic" is attached to the topic
        of cyber-investigations, we have opened up a whole new world in this
        type of investigation.

        Next, you are going to have to be trained in these days and times. Your
        training is going to also be fairly expensive. Actually, one of the
        most affordable but thorough instructors in the industry is probably
        Andy Rosen (he is also known as the father of modern day digital
        forensics), you can read up on him and his program SMART here:
        http://www.asrdata.com/

        You'll spend about $5,000.00 just learning basic Digital Forensics and
        basic use of SMART from him (that's all inclusive with expenses
        factored in).

        And then you'll have to stay current on new laws, rules, regulations,
        and protocols in this particular field. You will want to learn about
        subjects such as acquisition and authentication issues, chain of
        custody issues, discovery issues, and much more.

        So, in summary; the field of digital forensics is something that you
        might want to give some careful thought to getting into. If you do
        decide you are interested in it, then you'll want to formulate a "plan
        of action" for doing so.

        If I can help, feel free to give me a call.


        Rick.


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      • Vicki Siedow
        Yes, often. However there is a lot of referral business, and often when one patient is abused, so are others. Kelly Riddle has written some good books on the
        Message 3 of 5 , Jan 5, 2008
          Yes, often. However there is a lot of referral business, and often when one
          patient is abused, so are others. Kelly Riddle has written some good books
          on the subject. You can use the same techniques on the psych facilities,
          although we've developed additional methods for those as well. These are
          good areas because the baby boomers are getting older, and the psychs are
          trying to profit from the most vulnerable segments, kids, elders, military,
          new moms, etc. Lots of people we can help, and still make a living. Let
          me know if you need more help.



          Vicki Siedow
          Siedow & Associates Investigations
          & Legal Support Services
          2629 Foothill Blvd. #262
          La Crescenta, CA 91214
          Los Angeles County
          CA PI License # 22852
          800.448.6431 toll free
          818.242.0130 local
          818.688.3295 fax
          <http://siedow.lawandorder.com/> http://Siedow.LawAndOrder.com
          <mailto:Siedow@...> Siedow@...
          Member NCISS, IWWA
          Certified Identity Theft Risk Management Specialist
          Need economical legal help?
          Concerned about Identity Theft?
          Check the links on my site, or contact me directly.





          From: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com]
          On Behalf Of Debbie Peever
          Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 5:19 PM
          To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: Investigative Services



          Great info Vicki - thank you. We actually had a case recently that I
          turned down regarding trademark infringement, so I am happy to see I
          can gain answers to questions regarding this type of investigations
          as well!

          In regards to the nursing home abuse - is it the families of the
          patients that hire you? ... if so, is that just one offs?

          Debbie

          --- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
          <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> , "Vicki Siedow"
          <SiedowAndAssociates@...> wrote:
          >
          > You're right about computer, and all other tech-related fields.
          Also elder
          > fraud/abuse and the related nursing home/psychiatric facility
          fraud/abuse.
          > I also do a lot of trademark violation work, identity theft and
          financial
          > fraud cases.
          >
          >
          >
          > Vicki Siedow
          > Siedow & Associates Investigations
          > & Legal Support Services
          > 2629 Foothill Blvd. #262
          > La Crescenta, CA 91214
          > Los Angeles County
          > CA PI License # 22852
          > 800.448.6431 toll free
          > 818.242.0130 local
          > 818.688.3295 fax
          > <http://siedow.lawandorder.com/> http://Siedow.LawAndOrder.com
          > <mailto:Siedow@...> Siedow@...
          > Member NCISS, IWWA
          > Certified Identity Theft Risk Management Specialist
          > Need economical legal help?
          > Concerned about Identity Theft?
          > Check the links on my site, or contact me directly.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > From: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
          <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:infoguys-
          list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:list%40yahoogroups.com> ]
          > On Behalf Of Debbie Peever
          > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:24 AM
          > To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:infoguys-list%40yahoogroups.com>

          > Subject: [infoguys-list] Investigative Services
          >
          >
          >
          > Hi Group!
          >
          > I would like to find out what services are the most requested and
          which
          > you would consider to be "up and coming"
          >
          > After reading a few articles in the Business News and various
          papers, I
          > feel that Computer forensics are slowly making their way to a top
          ten
          > request of service. BUT, this comes at a price as well - as the
          > legalities of it are ever changing. Any views on pursuing this
          angle
          > of investigations solely for businesses concerned with their
          employee
          > time on the internet, computer emails etc? ...
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >





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