Re: Rates, etc...
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "kekeholm" <Kekeholm@...> wrote:
> > Kirsti, are you saying that posts in regards to business practices
> as they would relate to the P.I. Industry should be prohibited here?
> What about posts that make judgment as to what business practices in
> the P.I. Industry should be discussed and should not be discussed on
> this list, should they be prohibited also?
> Rick, what I said is just that - I do not feel judgment, much less
> discussion, should be passed on our fellow colleagues who areoffering
> work at a rate(s) you or others may deem to be sub-par to finding aothers.
> good investigator. There are plenty of good investigators who are
> willing to work for rates that may seem undermining to you and
> However, many of us have work together over the years and haveother
> performed work for FREE and/or at "low-ball" rates to help each
> out, myself included. I feel that any condemnation, comments, etc..interested,
> regarding a colleague's fee structure as it pertains to seeking a
> "good" investigator is highly unprofessional, esp on an open list!
> To me, it's real simple. If a colleague offers work and if
> contact them! Otherwise, it is none of our business and shouldn'tI'll imagine many things are pretty simple to you, Kirsti...
> warrant any reply or discussion!!
However, for the topic at hand, I think you miss the point entirely,
although the point is in itself; pretty simple....
The point here is NOT that those that want to volunteer their time,
or reduce their rates as a courtesy to other P.I.s are not good
P.I.s. The point here is that offering more money to subcontractors
makes the subcontract work more appealing to a larger group of
The point here is also the concept of narrowing your options by
reducing your pay rate to your subcontractors. It is a fact that the
lower the pay rate that is offered in ANY industry, the less
appealing that industry becomes. Don't believe it? Well how do you
feel about washing dishes for minimum wage? And, TYPICALLY SPEAKING
what kind of person do you think washes dishes at minimum wage when
they are over the age of 30? Now ask yourself how appealing that same
dish washing job would be at $50.00/Hr., and if that would wage
increase the applicant pool, and even the quality of the applicants?
TYPICALLY SPEAKING, what kind of P.I. would accept work for the same
pay that an unskilled, union laborer would get paid? Lets not kid
ourselves here, Kirsti (in other words come out into the REAL world),
we are not talking about P.I.s that are being kind and reducing their
rates or even working for free to help out a fellow P.I., we are
talking about P.I.s that are desperate enough that they HAVE to
settle for $30.00/Hr., whch begs the question, if they are in fact
that dseperate, are they in fact GOOD QUALITY Investigators? You can
throw a ton of symantics into this post if you want Kirsti, but you
and everyone else here knows EXACTLY what I am referring to when I
use the term "a P.I. desperate enough to HAVE to work for $30.00/Hr.".
What's more, Mr. Hakimi is apparently discovering this himself, based
on an earlier post by him in which he states that he is having a hard
time getting GOOD QUALITY P.I.s in Southern California to work for
him for $30.00/Hr. So, the proof is in the pudding, Kirsti.
Let me make a suggestion to you, why don't you try to contribute
something useful to the thread? If all you want to do, and have the
time to do is just argue, perhaps you should LOWER your rates......
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- In a message dated 12/1/2007 2:58:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
Entirely Inappropriate to be discussing!
I fully agree. Your post was inappropriate. No one should ever go too far
below the prevailing rates in their community. I can assure you that
contrary to what Mr. Hakimi said, I personally know NO investigators that have been
in the business for more than 10 years in this area who charge less than $100
per hour routinely. That does not mean they don't do pro-bono and that does
not mean that do not give courtesy discounts when appropriate.
The key word is "prevailing" and, after all, this is Los Angeles. There is
a very, very good reason why Mr. Hakimi cannot find quality, reliable
investigators. You cannot make a million off of the backs of others. You have to
roll up your own sleeves and get in the mix.
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