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15128Re: [infoguys-list] 'preacher' fraud

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  • oracleintl@aol.com
    Sep 1, 2009
      While it may be, I am not sure that this is necessarily fraud.

      From my own experience, I was writing checks to my Church thinking that
      the Pastor was being supported. It was only after my wife became Treasurer
      that we realized how the system actually worked. Thereafter, I have written
      checks to the Church, and checks directly to the Pastor as I have felt
      most appropriate.

      I was audited recently - there was no question about this at all. Whether
      the check is written to the Church, with a "For The Pastor" notation in
      the memo field, or goes directly to the Church itself, the IRS doesn't care.

      I just mention this to you because you say that you still have some
      uncertainties as to what is actually going on.

      If you find that there is something suspicious, GENERALLY SPEAKING, any
      member of a Congregation can ask for an audit. This does not have to be
      awkward. If you, as an investigator, reported to the Church itself that a
      Congregant had expressed concerns, they would probably arrange an audit, or
      provide you the relevant information. The Pastor will cooperate completely if
      he expects to remain a Pastor.

      That is the GENERAL way that it works. I have no idea how Catholics do
      things, and some other Churches I am aware of are basically owned by the
      Pastor - he may physically own the place. In that case, it can be very awkward.

      Bill E. Branscum, Investigator
      Oracle International
      Naples, FL 34101
      (239) 304-1639 V
      (239) 304-1640 F
      (239) 641-6782 C
      _www.FraudsAndScams.com_ (http://www.FraudsAndScams.com)

      In a message dated 9/1/2009 6:41:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
      ArkInv@... writes:

      I have a 'preacher' who is getting some members of his congregation to
      take their gifts that were originally intended and designated to go to
      the church changed to go directly to him instead. I'm not exactly sure
      what and how at this point. I'm looking for your thoughts and
      suggestions on where to look to identify his targets. My client wants
      this to be very discrete but I'm looking for any thoughts on how and
      where to look to identify any potential fraud. Searching out bank
      accounts and the amount of money that flows through them is one way.
      I'd appreciate any other suggestions. Direct emails are welcome to me
      at _michaeljwest@michaeljwesmic_ (mailto:michaeljwest@...) .
      Thanks in advance.

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