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  • Deepak R Umrankar
    Hi Abhay, You should know the genuine reason why the car has been lying with the dealer for such a long time. Given the bad experience you recently had with
    Message 1 of 30 , Apr 1 2:31 AM
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      Hi Abhay,

      You should know the genuine reason why the car has been lying with the dealer for such a long time. Given the bad experience you recently had with your car servicing @ Tayal Motors, I would suggest you to refrain from purchasing a year old car from them for some petty discount.

       
      Best Regards
      Deepak Umrankar





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      >Hi 
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      >I went to Tayal Motors for my Xeta's service. On inquiring, I came to know that they have a Vista Quadrajet VX 2011 mfg which they can provide at a discount of 30k from the total price. 
      >Just inquisitive to know if it is a good idea to go for a year older car for some cash discount

      >Regards
      >Abhay Singh

      >Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61000kms, 14kmpl (20% AC)
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    • Abhay Singh
      Thanks for your advice deepak. I was also contemplating same thing tht why was it kept for so long. But the adviser told me that there more cars in tata
      Message 2 of 30 , Apr 1 9:15 PM
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        Thanks for your advice deepak. I was also contemplating same thing tht why was it kept for so long. But the adviser told me that there more cars in tata factory which would come to the showroom shortly. Infact he also gave me an offer on 2011linea dynamic for 95k discount.

        Regards
        -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

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        From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
        Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 02:31:27
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        Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

        Hi Abhay,

        You should know the genuine reason why the car has been lying with the dealer for such a long time. Given the bad experience you recently had with your car servicing @ Tayal Motors, I would suggest you to refrain from purchasing a year old car from them for some petty discount.

         
        Best Regards
        Deepak Umrankar





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        > From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
        >To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
        >Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:45 PM
        >Subject: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
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        >

        >Hi 
        >
        >I went to Tayal Motors for my Xeta's service. On inquiring, I came to know that they have a Vista Quadrajet VX 2011 mfg which they can provide at a discount of 30k from the total price. 
        >Just inquisitive to know if it is a good idea to go for a year older car for some cash discount

        >Regards
        >Abhay Singh

        >Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61000kms, 14kmpl (20% AC)
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      • Sridhar.C
        I don t think its a bad idea. there were some 10-20 fiat cars lying in the Pune yard a couple of years back. I picked up 1 for 1 lac offer in 2011 Jan and
        Message 3 of 30 , Apr 1 10:45 PM
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          I don't think its a bad idea. there were some 10-20 fiat cars lying in the Pune yard a couple of years back. I picked up 1 for 1 lac offer in 2011 Jan and through me a couple of people had bought for better offers. 4 yrs warranty, they paid the insurance. I paid the regn + road tax.
           
          It also happens that the dealers get some extra cars anticipating a sales boom during year ends and during Diwali / Dussera times. But vehicles go un sold at times.
           
          If the terms and conditions are same for all parts including battery as a 2012 car, i would suggest you negotiate upto 50K and purchase it.  Ask for floor mats, under body coating, sun film free of cost. they should do.
           
          -ve side is resale value might dip. Ask them to perform a good quality check before delivery. Check everything before you buy. 

          Thanks & Regards
          Sridhar.C


          Fiat Palio 1.1 Stile SLX
          Ozone Blue.


          "Life is simple. We make it look complex"


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          From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
          To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 9:45
          Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA


           
          Thanks for your advice deepak. I was also contemplating same thing tht why was it kept for so long. But the adviser told me that there more cars in tata factory which would come to the showroom shortly. Infact he also gave me an offer on 2011linea dynamic for 95k discount.

          Regards
          -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

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          From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
          Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 02:31:27
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          Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

          Hi Abhay,

          You should know the genuine reason why the car has been lying with the dealer for such a long time. Given the bad experience you recently had with your car servicing @ Tayal Motors, I would suggest you to refrain from purchasing a year old car from them for some petty discount.

           
          Best Regards
          Deepak Umrankar





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          > From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
          >To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
          >Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:45 PM
          >Subject: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
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          >Hi 
          >
          >I went to Tayal Motors for my Xeta's service. On inquiring, I came to know that they have a Vista Quadrajet VX 2011 mfg which they can provide at a discount of 30k from the total price. 
          >Just inquisitive to know if it is a good idea to go for a year older car for some cash discount

          >Regards
          >Abhay Singh

          >Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61000kms, 14kmpl (20% AC)
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        • Abhay Singh
          Hi Sridhar Ur lucky enough to get such a gud deal. I m in process of selling my xeta. If the deal is done on time, I shall go back to the showroom and check
          Message 4 of 30 , Apr 2 11:35 PM
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            Hi Sridhar
            Ur lucky enough to get such a gud deal. I'm in process of selling my xeta. If the deal is done on time, I shall go back to the showroom and check the car in detail ( if its still there).

            Regards
            Abhay
            Xeta GVS, 61K kms, 14kmpl
            -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

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            From: "Sridhar.C" <sree_chandru@...>
            Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 22:45:13
            To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
            Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

            I don't think its a bad idea. there were some 10-20 fiat cars lying in the Pune yard a couple of years back. I picked up 1 for 1 lac offer in 2011 Jan and through me a couple of people had bought for better offers. 4 yrs warranty, they paid the insurance. I paid the regn + road tax.
             
            It also happens that the dealers get some extra cars anticipating a sales boom during year ends and during Diwali / Dussera times. But vehicles go un sold at times.
             
            If the terms and conditions are same for all parts including battery as a 2012 car, i would suggest you negotiate upto 50K and purchase it.  Ask for floor mats, under body coating, sun film free of cost. they should do.
             
            -ve side is resale value might dip. Ask them to perform a good quality check before delivery. Check everything before you buy. 

            Thanks & Regards
            Sridhar.C


            Fiat Palio 1.1 Stile SLX
            Ozone Blue.


            "Life is simple. We make it look complex"


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            From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
            To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 9:45
            Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA


             
            Thanks for your advice deepak. I was also contemplating same thing tht why was it kept for so long. But the adviser told me that there more cars in tata factory which would come to the showroom shortly. Infact he also gave me an offer on 2011linea dynamic for 95k discount.

            Regards
            -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

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            From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
            Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 02:31:27
            To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
            Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

            Hi Abhay,

            You should know the genuine reason why the car has been lying with the dealer for such a long time. Given the bad experience you recently had with your car servicing @ Tayal Motors, I would suggest you to refrain from purchasing a year old car from them for some petty discount.

             
            Best Regards
            Deepak Umrankar





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            > From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
            >To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
            >Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:45 PM
            >Subject: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
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            >

            >Hi 
            >
            >I went to Tayal Motors for my Xeta's service. On inquiring, I came to know that they have a Vista Quadrajet VX 2011 mfg which they can provide at a discount of 30k from the total price. 
            >Just inquisitive to know if it is a good idea to go for a year older car for some cash discount

            >Regards
            >Abhay Singh

            >Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61000kms, 14kmpl (20% AC)
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          • Sridhar.C
            Abhay,   If required, I shall send you Pune Tata contact information. through him, you will get calls from all dealers in your region, from there you can
            Message 5 of 30 , Apr 3 5:29 AM
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              Abhay,
               
              If required, I shall send you Pune Tata contact information. through him, you will get calls from all dealers in your region, from there you can start the process.
               
              Your Xeta seem to be doing good, interms or Mileage. Selling it for 1+L and getting a 5L car, would it make sense to invest 3.5L + (usage) fuel charges + Loan EMI amount (if required) + New car insurance of 13-14K per year.
               
              If you do the Math, you can live with your car till it touches 1Lak Kms i beleive and then chuck it. you may get more options into the market by then.
              Think about spending 50% of your investment (say 2L), you can run 35K kms assuming same mileage and 80 rupees per litre of petrol.
               
              2Lac/80 (rupees per ltr of petrol) = 2500 Lts
              2500 x 14 = 35000 Kms !
               
              Assume service charges equal to a new vehicle.
               
              Just a thought.
               
               
              Note: I'm not aware of any issues you have with your car.
               
               
              Thanks & Regards
              Sridhar.C


              Fiat Palio 1.1 Stile SLX
              Ozone Blue.


              "Life is simple. We make it look complex"


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              From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
              To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012, 12:05
              Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA


               
              Hi Sridhar
              Ur lucky enough to get such a gud deal. I'm in process of selling my xeta. If the deal is done on time, I shall go back to the showroom and check the car in detail ( if its still there).

              Regards
              Abhay
              Xeta GVS, 61K kms, 14kmpl
              -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

              -----Original Message-----
              From: "Sridhar.C" <sree_chandru@...>
              Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 22:45:13
              To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
              Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

              I don't think its a bad idea. there were some 10-20 fiat cars lying in the Pune yard a couple of years back. I picked up 1 for 1 lac offer in 2011 Jan and through me a couple of people had bought for better offers. 4 yrs warranty, they paid the insurance. I paid the regn + road tax.
               
              It also happens that the dealers get some extra cars anticipating a sales boom during year ends and during Diwali / Dussera times. But vehicles go un sold at times.
               
              If the terms and conditions are same for all parts including battery as a 2012 car, i would suggest you negotiate upto 50K and purchase it.  Ask for floor mats, under body coating, sun film free of cost. they should do.
               
              -ve side is resale value might dip. Ask them to perform a good quality check before delivery. Check everything before you buy. 

              Thanks & Regards
              Sridhar.C


              Fiat Palio 1.1 Stile SLX
              Ozone Blue.


              "Life is simple. We make it look complex"


              ________________________________
              From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
              To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 9:45
              Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA


               
              Thanks for your advice deepak. I was also contemplating same thing tht why was it kept for so long. But the adviser told me that there more cars in tata factory which would come to the showroom shortly. Infact he also gave me an offer on 2011linea dynamic for 95k discount.

              Regards
              -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

              -----Original Message-----
              From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
              Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 02:31:27
              To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
              Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

              Hi Abhay,

              You should know the genuine reason why the car has been lying with the dealer for such a long time. Given the bad experience you recently had with your car servicing @ Tayal Motors, I would suggest you to refrain from purchasing a year old car from them for some petty discount.

               
              Best Regards
              Deepak Umrankar





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              > From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
              >To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
              >Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:45 PM
              >Subject: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
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              >

              >Hi 
              >
              >I went to Tayal Motors for my Xeta's service. On inquiring, I came to know that they have a Vista Quadrajet VX 2011 mfg which they can provide at a discount of 30k from the total price. 
              >Just inquisitive to know if it is a good idea to go for a year older car for some cash discount

              >Regards
              >Abhay Singh

              >Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61000kms, 14kmpl (20% AC)
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            • abhay singh
              Hi Sridhar Thanks for the great cost benefit analysis. I did wish to retain thetcar for another 30-40kms atleast. However, following reasons have provoked me
              Message 6 of 30 , Apr 3 10:45 AM
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                Hi Sridhar

                Thanks for the great cost benefit analysis. I did wish to retain thetcar for another 30-40kms atleast. However, following reasons have provoked me to take the extreme step of switching to a Diesel:
                - Daily avg run of 80kms which means I will be covering 2000kms per month. 
                - Rear tyres need replacement in 5k-8k kms. 
                - Paid service every three months shall cost me between 2k-5k 
                - Given that it has run 61.5k kms, there are few nick-nacks in the car during every service that adds to cost
                - Threat from state govt. every now an then on the hike in fuel price
                - With summers stepping in, mileage shall drop to 12 kmpl
                - After another 30k kms, I may not get any resale value of the cost given the way petrol car sales are going down :)

                BTW have managed to close the deal at 1.2 lacs (money not yet received) for the car. 

                Looks like I will have to give away my first love tomorrow :-(

                Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable... 

                Tx

                Regards
                Abhay Singh
                Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61800 kms, 14kmpl



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                > From: Sridhar.C <sree_chandru@...>
                >To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                >Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 5:59 PM
                >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
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                >

                >Abhay,

                >If required, I shall send you Pune Tata contact information. through him, you will get calls from all dealers in your region, from there you can start the process.

                >Your Xeta seem to be doing good, interms or Mileage. Selling it for 1+L and getting a 5L car, would it make sense to invest 3.5L + (usage) fuel charges + Loan EMI amount (if required) + New car insurance of 13-14K per year.

                >If you do the Math, you can live with your car till it touches 1Lak Kms i beleive and then chuck it. you may get more options into the market by then.
                >Think about spending 50% of your investment (say 2L), you can run 35K kms assuming same mileage and 80 rupees per litre of petrol.

                >2Lac/80 (rupees per ltr of petrol) = 2500 Lts
                >2500 x 14 = 35000 Kms !

                >Assume service charges equal to a new vehicle.

                >Just a thought.


                >Note: I'm not aware of any issues you have with your car.


                >Thanks & Regards
                >Sridhar.C
                >
                >Fiat Palio 1.1 Stile SLX
                >Ozone Blue.
                >
                >"Life is simple. We make it look complex"
                >
                >________________________________
                >From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                >Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012, 12:05
                >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                >

                >Hi Sridhar
                >Ur lucky enough to get such a gud deal. I'm in process of selling my xeta. If the deal is done on time, I shall go back to the showroom and check the car in detail ( if its still there).
                >
                >Regards
                >Abhay
                >Xeta GVS, 61K kms, 14kmpl
                >-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                >
                >-----Original Message-----
                >From: "Sridhar.C" <sree_chandru@...>
                >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 22:45:13
                >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                >
                >I don't think its a bad idea. there were some 10-20 fiat cars lying in the Pune yard a couple of years back. I picked up 1 for 1 lac offer in 2011 Jan and through me a couple of people had bought for better offers. 4 yrs warranty, they paid the insurance. I paid the regn + road tax.

                >It also happens that the dealers get some extra cars anticipating a sales boom during year ends and during Diwali / Dussera times. But vehicles go un sold at times.

                >If the terms and conditions are same for all parts including battery as a 2012 car, i would suggest you negotiate upto 50K and purchase it.  Ask for floor mats, under body coating, sun film free of cost. they should do.

                >-ve side is resale value might dip. Ask them to perform a good quality check before delivery. Check everything before you buy. 
                >
                >Thanks & Regards
                >Sridhar.C
                >
                >Fiat Palio 1.1 Stile SLX
                >Ozone Blue.
                >
                >"Life is simple. We make it look complex"
                >
                >________________________________
                >From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                >Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 9:45
                >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                >

                >Thanks for your advice deepak. I was also contemplating same thing tht why was it kept for so long. But the adviser told me that there more cars in tata factory which would come to the showroom shortly. Infact he also gave me an offer on 2011linea dynamic for 95k discount.
                >
                >Regards
                >-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                >
                >-----Original Message-----
                >From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
                >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 02:31:27
                >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                >
                >Hi Abhay,
                >
                >You should know the genuine reason why the car has been lying with the dealer for such a long time. Given the bad experience you recently had with your car servicing @ Tayal Motors, I would suggest you to refrain from purchasing a year old car from them for some petty discount.
                >

                >Best Regards
                >Deepak Umrankar
                >
                >>________________________________
                >> From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
                >>To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                >>Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:45 PM
                >>Subject: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
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                >>Hi 
                >>
                >>I went to Tayal Motors for my Xeta's service. On inquiring, I came to know that they have a Vista Quadrajet VX 2011 mfg which they can provide at a discount of 30k from the total price. 
                >>Just inquisitive to know if it is a good idea to go for a year older car for some cash discount
                >> 
                >>Regards
                >>Abhay Singh
                >> 
                >>Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61000kms, 14kmpl (20% AC)
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              • ajay kumar
                Why not a Quadrajet Vista?My friend has got one.Very refined and spacious as well.   Regards,   Ajay  ________________________________ From: abhay singh
                Message 7 of 30 , Apr 3 11:31 AM
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                  Why not a Quadrajet Vista?My friend has got one.Very refined and spacious as well.
                   
                  Regards,
                   
                  Ajay 


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                  From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
                  To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 11:15 PM
                  Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA



                   

                  Hi Sridhar

                  Thanks for the great cost benefit analysis. I did wish to retain thetcar for another 30-40kms atleast. However, following reasons have provoked me to take the extreme step of switching to a Diesel:
                  - Daily avg run of 80kms which means I will be covering 2000kms per month. 
                  - Rear tyres need replacement in 5k-8k kms. 
                  - Paid service every three months shall cost me between 2k-5k 
                  - Given that it has run 61.5k kms, there are few nick-nacks in the car during every service that adds to cost
                  - Threat from state govt. every now an then on the hike in fuel price
                  - With summers stepping in, mileage shall drop to 12 kmpl
                  - After another 30k kms, I may not get any resale value of the cost given the way petrol car sales are going down :)

                  BTW have managed to close the deal at 1.2 lacs (money not yet received) for the car. 

                  Looks like I will have to give away my first love tomorrow :-(

                  Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable... 

                  Tx

                  Regards
                  Abhay Singh
                  Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61800 kms, 14kmpl

                  >________________________________
                  > From: Sridhar.C <sree_chandru@...>
                  >To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                  >Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 5:59 PM
                  >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                  >
                  >

                  >Abhay,

                  >If required, I shall send you Pune Tata contact information. through him, you will get calls from all dealers in your region, from there you can start the process.

                  >Your Xeta seem to be doing good, interms or Mileage. Selling it for 1+L and getting a 5L car, would it make sense to invest 3.5L + (usage) fuel charges + Loan EMI amount (if required) + New car insurance of 13-14K per year.

                  >If you do the Math, you can live with your car till it touches 1Lak Kms i beleive and then chuck it. you may get more options into the market by then.
                  >Think about spending 50% of your investment (say 2L), you can run 35K kms assuming same mileage and 80 rupees per litre of petrol.

                  >2Lac/80 (rupees per ltr of petrol) = 2500 Lts
                  >2500 x 14 = 35000 Kms !

                  >Assume service charges equal to a new vehicle.

                  >Just a thought.


                  >Note: I'm not aware of any issues you have with your car.


                  >Thanks & Regards
                  >Sridhar.C
                  >
                  >Fiat Palio 1.1 Stile SLX
                  >Ozone Blue.
                  >
                  >"Life is simple. We make it look complex"
                  >
                  >________________________________
                  >From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                  >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                  >Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012, 12:05
                  >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                  >

                  >Hi Sridhar
                  >Ur lucky enough to get such a gud deal. I'm in process of selling my xeta. If the deal is done on time, I shall go back to the showroom and check the car in detail ( if its still there).
                  >
                  >Regards
                  >Abhay
                  >Xeta GVS, 61K kms, 14kmpl
                  >-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                  >
                  >-----Original Message-----
                  >From: "Sridhar.C" <sree_chandru@...>
                  >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                  >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 22:45:13
                  >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                  >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                  >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                  >
                  >I don't think its a bad idea. there were some 10-20 fiat cars lying in the Pune yard a couple of years back. I picked up 1 for 1 lac offer in 2011 Jan and through me a couple of people had bought for better offers. 4 yrs warranty, they paid the insurance. I paid the regn + road tax.

                  >It also happens that the dealers get some extra cars anticipating a sales boom during year ends and during Diwali / Dussera times. But vehicles go un sold at times.

                  >If the terms and conditions are same for all parts including battery as a 2012 car, i would suggest you negotiate upto 50K and purchase it.  Ask for floor mats, under body coating, sun film free of cost. they should do.

                  >-ve side is resale value might dip. Ask them to perform a good quality check before delivery. Check everything before you buy. 
                  >
                  >Thanks & Regards
                  >Sridhar.C
                  >
                  >Fiat Palio 1.1 Stile SLX
                  >Ozone Blue.
                  >
                  >"Life is simple. We make it look complex"
                  >
                  >________________________________
                  >From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                  >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                  >Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 9:45
                  >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                  >

                  >Thanks for your advice deepak. I was also contemplating same thing tht why was it kept for so long. But the adviser told me that there more cars in tata factory which would come to the showroom shortly. Infact he also gave me an offer on 2011linea dynamic for 95k discount.
                  >
                  >Regards
                  >-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                  >
                  >-----Original Message-----
                  >From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
                  >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                  >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 02:31:27
                  >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                  >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                  >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                  >
                  >Hi Abhay,
                  >
                  >You should know the genuine reason why the car has been lying with the dealer for such a long time. Given the bad experience you recently had with your car servicing @ Tayal Motors, I would suggest you to refrain from purchasing a year old car from them for some petty discount.
                  >

                  >Best Regards
                  >Deepak Umrankar
                  >
                  >>________________________________
                  >> From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
                  >>To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                  >>Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:45 PM
                  >>Subject: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> 
                  >>Hi 
                  >>
                  >>I went to Tayal Motors for my Xeta's service. On inquiring, I came to know that they have a Vista Quadrajet VX 2011 mfg which they can provide at a discount of 30k from the total price. 
                  >>Just inquisitive to know if it is a good idea to go for a year older car for some cash discount
                  >> 
                  >>Regards
                  >>Abhay Singh
                  >> 
                  >>Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61000kms, 14kmpl (20% AC)
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                • Abhay Singh
                  I would have loved to buy a Vista but I m planning to experience another brand and machine given that I hv owned a Tata car for five and half years now. -Sent
                  Message 8 of 30 , Apr 3 12:04 PM
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                    I would have loved to buy a Vista but I'm planning to experience another brand and machine given that I hv owned a Tata car for five and half years now.

                    -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: ajay kumar <ajaysabari@...>
                    Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 02:31:46
                    To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                    Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                    Why not a Quadrajet Vista?My friend has got one.Very refined and spacious as well.
                     
                    Regards,
                     
                    Ajay 


                    ________________________________
                    From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
                    To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 11:15 PM
                    Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA



                     

                    Hi Sridhar

                    Thanks for the great cost benefit analysis. I did wish to retain thetcar for another 30-40kms atleast. However, following reasons have provoked me to take the extreme step of switching to a Diesel:
                    - Daily avg run of 80kms which means I will be covering 2000kms per month. 
                    - Rear tyres need replacement in 5k-8k kms. 
                    - Paid service every three months shall cost me between 2k-5k 
                    - Given that it has run 61.5k kms, there are few nick-nacks in the car during every service that adds to cost
                    - Threat from state govt. every now an then on the hike in fuel price
                    - With summers stepping in, mileage shall drop to 12 kmpl
                    - After another 30k kms, I may not get any resale value of the cost given the way petrol car sales are going down :)

                    BTW have managed to close the deal at 1.2 lacs (money not yet received) for the car. 

                    Looks like I will have to give away my first love tomorrow :-(

                    Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable... 

                    Tx

                    Regards
                    Abhay Singh
                    Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61800 kms, 14kmpl

                    >________________________________
                    > From: Sridhar.C <sree_chandru@...>
                    >To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                    >Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 5:59 PM
                    >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                    >
                    >

                    >Abhay,

                    >If required, I shall send you Pune Tata contact information. through him, you will get calls from all dealers in your region, from there you can start the process.

                    >Your Xeta seem to be doing good, interms or Mileage. Selling it for 1+L and getting a 5L car, would it make sense to invest 3.5L + (usage) fuel charges + Loan EMI amount (if required) + New car insurance of 13-14K per year.

                    >If you do the Math, you can live with your car till it touches 1Lak Kms i beleive and then chuck it. you may get more options into the market by then.
                    >Think about spending 50% of your investment (say 2L), you can run 35K kms assuming same mileage and 80 rupees per litre of petrol.

                    >2Lac/80 (rupees per ltr of petrol) = 2500 Lts
                    >2500 x 14 = 35000 Kms !

                    >Assume service charges equal to a new vehicle.

                    >Just a thought.


                    >Note: I'm not aware of any issues you have with your car.


                    >Thanks & Regards
                    >Sridhar.C
                    >
                    >Fiat Palio 1.1 Stile SLX
                    >Ozone Blue.
                    >
                    >"Life is simple. We make it look complex"
                    >
                    >________________________________
                    >From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                    >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                    >Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012, 12:05
                    >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                    >

                    >Hi Sridhar
                    >Ur lucky enough to get such a gud deal. I'm in process of selling my xeta. If the deal is done on time, I shall go back to the showroom and check the car in detail ( if its still there).
                    >
                    >Regards
                    >Abhay
                    >Xeta GVS, 61K kms, 14kmpl
                    >-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                    >
                    >-----Original Message-----
                    >From: "Sridhar.C" <sree_chandru@...>
                    >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                    >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 22:45:13
                    >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                    >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                    >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                    >
                    >I don't think its a bad idea. there were some 10-20 fiat cars lying in the Pune yard a couple of years back. I picked up 1 for 1 lac offer in 2011 Jan and through me a couple of people had bought for better offers. 4 yrs warranty, they paid the insurance. I paid the regn + road tax.

                    >It also happens that the dealers get some extra cars anticipating a sales boom during year ends and during Diwali / Dussera times. But vehicles go un sold at times.

                    >If the terms and conditions are same for all parts including battery as a 2012 car, i would suggest you negotiate upto 50K and purchase it.  Ask for floor mats, under body coating, sun film free of cost. they should do.

                    >-ve side is resale value might dip. Ask them to perform a good quality check before delivery. Check everything before you buy. 
                    >
                    >Thanks & Regards
                    >Sridhar.C
                    >
                    >Fiat Palio 1.1 Stile SLX
                    >Ozone Blue.
                    >
                    >"Life is simple. We make it look complex"
                    >
                    >________________________________
                    >From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                    >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                    >Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 9:45
                    >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                    >

                    >Thanks for your advice deepak. I was also contemplating same thing tht why was it kept for so long. But the adviser told me that there more cars in tata factory which would come to the showroom shortly. Infact he also gave me an offer on 2011linea dynamic for 95k discount.
                    >
                    >Regards
                    >-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                    >
                    >-----Original Message-----
                    >From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
                    >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                    >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 02:31:27
                    >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                    >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                    >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                    >
                    >Hi Abhay,
                    >
                    >You should know the genuine reason why the car has been lying with the dealer for such a long time. Given the bad experience you recently had with your car servicing @ Tayal Motors, I would suggest you to refrain from purchasing a year old car from them for some petty discount.
                    >

                    >Best Regards
                    >Deepak Umrankar
                    >
                    >>________________________________
                    >> From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
                    >>To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                    >>Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:45 PM
                    >>Subject: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> 
                    >>Hi 
                    >>
                    >>I went to Tayal Motors for my Xeta's service. On inquiring, I came to know that they have a Vista Quadrajet VX 2011 mfg which they can provide at a discount of 30k from the total price. 
                    >>Just inquisitive to know if it is a good idea to go for a year older car for some cash discount
                    >> 
                    >>Regards
                    >>Abhay Singh
                    >> 
                    >>Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61000kms, 14kmpl (20% AC)
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                  • Dev Abhishek
                    I see that you are not planning on an actual upgrade. In which case, the two car brands that do make sense are Maruti and Tata. Both have great service
                    Message 9 of 30 , Apr 3 3:22 PM
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                      I see that you are not planning on an actual upgrade. In which case, the two car brands that do make sense are Maruti and Tata. Both have great service networks. Ford is notorious for fleecing during service.


                      My own recommendation would be either for the Vista/Manza or Dzire. These have relatively spacious interiors and excellent fuel economy. Also, you have to consider the resale price. The more ubiquitous a model, the better you could expect the resale price to be.

                      Sorry that you had to sell off your first love simply for the cost of fuel. Did you consider a CNG/LPG retrofit?

                      Dev



                      ________________________________
                      From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                      To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 12:34 AM
                      Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA


                       
                      I would have loved to buy a Vista but I'm planning to experience another brand and machine given that I hv owned a Tata car for five and half years now.

                      -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: ajay kumar <ajaysabari@...>
                      Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 02:31:46
                      To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                      Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                      Why not a Quadrajet Vista?My friend has got one.Very refined and spacious as well.
                       
                      Regards,
                       
                      Ajay 


                      ________________________________
                      From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
                      To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 11:15 PM
                      Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA



                       

                      Hi Sridhar

                      Thanks for the great cost benefit analysis. I did wish to retain thetcar for another 30-40kms atleast. However, following reasons have provoked me to take the extreme step of switching to a Diesel:
                      - Daily avg run of 80kms which means I will be covering 2000kms per month. 
                      - Rear tyres need replacement in 5k-8k kms. 
                      - Paid service every three months shall cost me between 2k-5k 
                      - Given that it has run 61.5k kms, there are few nick-nacks in the car during every service that adds to cost
                      - Threat from state govt. every now an then on the hike in fuel price
                      - With summers stepping in, mileage shall drop to 12 kmpl
                      - After another 30k kms, I may not get any resale value of the cost given the way petrol car sales are going down :)

                      BTW have managed to close the deal at 1.2 lacs (money not yet received) for the car. 

                      Looks like I will have to give away my first love tomorrow :-(

                      Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable... 

                      Tx

                      Regards
                      Abhay Singh
                      Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61800 kms, 14kmpl

                      >________________________________
                      > From: Sridhar.C <sree_chandru@...>
                      >To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                      >Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 5:59 PM
                      >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                      >
                      >

                      >Abhay,

                      >If required, I shall send you Pune Tata contact information. through him, you will get calls from all dealers in your region, from there you can start the process.

                      >Your Xeta seem to be doing good, interms or Mileage. Selling it for 1+L and getting a 5L car, would it make sense to invest 3.5L + (usage) fuel charges + Loan EMI amount (if required) + New car insurance of 13-14K per year.

                      >If you do the Math, you can live with your car till it touches 1Lak Kms i beleive and then chuck it. you may get more options into the market by then.
                      >Think about spending 50% of your investment (say 2L), you can run 35K kms assuming same mileage and 80 rupees per litre of petrol.

                      >2Lac/80 (rupees per ltr of petrol) = 2500 Lts
                      >2500 x 14 = 35000 Kms !

                      >Assume service charges equal to a new vehicle.

                      >Just a thought.


                      >Note: I'm not aware of any issues you have with your car.


                      >Thanks & Regards
                      >Sridhar.C
                      >
                      >Fiat Palio 1.1 Stile SLX
                      >Ozone Blue.
                      >
                      >"Life is simple. We make it look complex"
                      >
                      >________________________________
                      >From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                      >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                      >Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012, 12:05
                      >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                      >

                      >Hi Sridhar
                      >Ur lucky enough to get such a gud deal. I'm in process of selling my xeta. If the deal is done on time, I shall go back to the showroom and check the car in detail ( if its still there).
                      >
                      >Regards
                      >Abhay
                      >Xeta GVS, 61K kms, 14kmpl
                      >-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                      >
                      >-----Original Message-----
                      >From: "Sridhar.C" <sree_chandru@...>
                      >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                      >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 22:45:13
                      >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                      >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                      >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                      >
                      >I don't think its a bad idea. there were some 10-20 fiat cars lying in the Pune yard a couple of years back. I picked up 1 for 1 lac offer in 2011 Jan and through me a couple of people had bought for better offers. 4 yrs warranty, they paid the insurance. I paid the regn + road tax.

                      >It also happens that the dealers get some extra cars anticipating a sales boom during year ends and during Diwali / Dussera times. But vehicles go un sold at times.

                      >If the terms and conditions are same for all parts including battery as a 2012 car, i would suggest you negotiate upto 50K and purchase it.  Ask for floor mats, under body coating, sun film free of cost. they should do.

                      >-ve side is resale value might dip. Ask them to perform a good quality check before delivery. Check everything before you buy. 
                      >
                      >Thanks & Regards
                      >Sridhar.C
                      >
                      >Fiat Palio 1.1 Stile SLX
                      >Ozone Blue.
                      >
                      >"Life is simple. We make it look complex"
                      >
                      >________________________________
                      >From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                      >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                      >Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 9:45
                      >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                      >

                      >Thanks for your advice deepak. I was also contemplating same thing tht why was it kept for so long. But the adviser told me that there more cars in tata factory which would come to the showroom shortly. Infact he also gave me an offer on 2011linea dynamic for 95k discount.
                      >
                      >Regards
                      >-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                      >
                      >-----Original Message-----
                      >From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
                      >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                      >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 02:31:27
                      >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                      >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                      >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                      >
                      >Hi Abhay,
                      >
                      >You should know the genuine reason why the car has been lying with the dealer for such a long time. Given the bad experience you recently had with your car servicing @ Tayal Motors, I would suggest you to refrain from purchasing a year old car from them for some petty discount.
                      >

                      >Best Regards
                      >Deepak Umrankar
                      >
                      >>________________________________
                      >> From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
                      >>To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                      >>Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:45 PM
                      >>Subject: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> 
                      >>Hi 
                      >>
                      >>I went to Tayal Motors for my Xeta's service. On inquiring, I came to know that they have a Vista Quadrajet VX 2011 mfg which they can provide at a discount of 30k from the total price. 
                      >>Just inquisitive to know if it is a good idea to go for a year older car for some cash discount
                      >> 
                      >>Regards
                      >>Abhay Singh
                      >> 
                      >>Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61000kms, 14kmpl (20% AC)
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                    • Abhay Singh
                      Hi Dev We had plans to upgrade to a SX4, Linea or a Verna. However, current situations have forced me to look for diesel varient rather than actual upgrade to
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                        Hi Dev
                        We had plans to upgrade to a SX4, Linea or a Verna. However, current situations have forced me to look for diesel varient rather than actual upgrade to a bigger and better car.
                        I have no plans to increase my budget more than 5.5- 5.75 lacs coz I want to remain in the bracket of current expense . Hence narrowed on 3 hatches that fit my budget.
                        Also, like I said, I wish to experience machine from another brand. Hence, going against my heart to buy a Vista VX. Most likely, I shall finalise the Ritz or Punto as both have gr8 service network and both are pleasure to drive.

                        My car had CNG kit two years back(installed from srimankar) when it gave me lots of trouble in terms of performance, pickup, sudden loss of power. That forced me to remove the kit. Now, I didn't wish to take the risk of spending on kit again.

                        Regards

                        -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...>
                        Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:22:07
                        To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                        Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                        I see that you are not planning on an actual upgrade. In which case, the two car brands that do make sense are Maruti and Tata. Both have great service networks. Ford is notorious for fleecing during service.


                        My own recommendation would be either for the Vista/Manza or Dzire. These have relatively spacious interiors and excellent fuel economy. Also, you have to consider the resale price. The more ubiquitous a model, the better you could expect the resale price to be.

                        Sorry that you had to sell off your first love simply for the cost of fuel. Did you consider a CNG/LPG retrofit?

                        Dev



                        ________________________________
                        From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                        To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 12:34 AM
                        Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA


                         
                        I would have loved to buy a Vista but I'm planning to experience another brand and machine given that I hv owned a Tata car for five and half years now.

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                        From: ajay kumar <ajaysabari@...>
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                        Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 02:31:46
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                        Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                        Why not a Quadrajet Vista?My friend has got one.Very refined and spacious as well.
                         
                        Regards,
                         
                        Ajay 


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                        From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
                        To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 11:15 PM
                        Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA



                         

                        Hi Sridhar

                        Thanks for the great cost benefit analysis. I did wish to retain thetcar for another 30-40kms atleast. However, following reasons have provoked me to take the extreme step of switching to a Diesel:
                        - Daily avg run of 80kms which means I will be covering 2000kms per month. 
                        - Rear tyres need replacement in 5k-8k kms. 
                        - Paid service every three months shall cost me between 2k-5k 
                        - Given that it has run 61.5k kms, there are few nick-nacks in the car during every service that adds to cost
                        - Threat from state govt. every now an then on the hike in fuel price
                        - With summers stepping in, mileage shall drop to 12 kmpl
                        - After another 30k kms, I may not get any resale value of the cost given the way petrol car sales are going down :)

                        BTW have managed to close the deal at 1.2 lacs (money not yet received) for the car. 

                        Looks like I will have to give away my first love tomorrow :-(

                        Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable... 

                        Tx

                        Regards
                        Abhay Singh
                        Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61800 kms, 14kmpl

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                        > From: Sridhar.C <sree_chandru@...>
                        >To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                        >Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 5:59 PM
                        >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
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                        >

                        >Abhay,

                        >If required, I shall send you Pune Tata contact information. through him, you will get calls from all dealers in your region, from there you can start the process.

                        >Your Xeta seem to be doing good, interms or Mileage. Selling it for 1+L and getting a 5L car, would it make sense to invest 3.5L + (usage) fuel charges + Loan EMI amount (if required) + New car insurance of 13-14K per year.

                        >If you do the Math, you can live with your car till it touches 1Lak Kms i beleive and then chuck it. you may get more options into the market by then.
                        >Think about spending 50% of your investment (say 2L), you can run 35K kms assuming same mileage and 80 rupees per litre of petrol.

                        >2Lac/80 (rupees per ltr of petrol) = 2500 Lts
                        >2500 x 14 = 35000 Kms !

                        >Assume service charges equal to a new vehicle.

                        >Just a thought.


                        >Note: I'm not aware of any issues you have with your car.


                        >Thanks & Regards
                        >Sridhar.C
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                        >________________________________
                        >From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                        >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                        >Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012, 12:05
                        >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
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                        >Hi Sridhar
                        >Ur lucky enough to get such a gud deal. I'm in process of selling my xeta. If the deal is done on time, I shall go back to the showroom and check the car in detail ( if its still there).
                        >
                        >Regards
                        >Abhay
                        >Xeta GVS, 61K kms, 14kmpl
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                        >From: "Sridhar.C" <sree_chandru@...>
                        >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                        >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 22:45:13
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                        >
                        >I don't think its a bad idea. there were some 10-20 fiat cars lying in the Pune yard a couple of years back. I picked up 1 for 1 lac offer in 2011 Jan and through me a couple of people had bought for better offers. 4 yrs warranty, they paid the insurance. I paid the regn + road tax.

                        >It also happens that the dealers get some extra cars anticipating a sales boom during year ends and during Diwali / Dussera times. But vehicles go un sold at times.

                        >If the terms and conditions are same for all parts including battery as a 2012 car, i would suggest you negotiate upto 50K and purchase it.  Ask for floor mats, under body coating, sun film free of cost. they should do.

                        >-ve side is resale value might dip. Ask them to perform a good quality check before delivery. Check everything before you buy. 
                        >
                        >Thanks & Regards
                        >Sridhar.C
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                        >Ozone Blue.
                        >
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                        >From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                        >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                        >Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 9:45
                        >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                        >

                        >Thanks for your advice deepak. I was also contemplating same thing tht why was it kept for so long. But the adviser told me that there more cars in tata factory which would come to the showroom shortly. Infact he also gave me an offer on 2011linea dynamic for 95k discount.
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                        >From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
                        >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                        >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 02:31:27
                        >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
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                        >Hi Abhay,
                        >
                        >You should know the genuine reason why the car has been lying with the dealer for such a long time. Given the bad experience you recently had with your car servicing @ Tayal Motors, I would suggest you to refrain from purchasing a year old car from them for some petty discount.
                        >

                        >Best Regards
                        >Deepak Umrankar
                        >
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                        >> From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
                        >>To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                        >>Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:45 PM
                        >>Subject: [indica-users] Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
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                        >> 
                        >>Hi 
                        >>
                        >>I went to Tayal Motors for my Xeta's service. On inquiring, I came to know that they have a Vista Quadrajet VX 2011 mfg which they can provide at a discount of 30k from the total price. 
                        >>Just inquisitive to know if it is a good idea to go for a year older car for some cash discount
                        >> 
                        >>Regards
                        >>Abhay Singh
                        >> 
                        >>Indica XETA - GVS, Dec-2006, 61000kms, 14kmpl (20% AC)
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                      • Achin Juneja
                        Hi, ... The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems... Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs. 1.Hyundai
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                          Hi,

                          > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...

                          The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                          Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.

                          1.Hyundai i20.
                          2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                          3.Nissan Micra.
                          4.Skoda Fabia.

                          My preference:
                          1.Hyundai i20.
                          2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.

                          Drive safe,
                          Achin Juneja






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                        • Abhay Singh
                          Hi Achin sir Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it s base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of
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                            Hi Achin sir
                            Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.

                            I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)

                            Regards
                            Abhay
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                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                            Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03
                            To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                            Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                            Hi,

                            > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...

                            The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                            Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.

                            1.Hyundai i20.
                            2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                            3.Nissan Micra.
                            4.Skoda Fabia.

                            My preference:
                            1.Hyundai i20.
                            2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.

                            Drive safe,
                            Achin Juneja






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                          • Dev Abhishek
                            How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few
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                              How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.

                              Dev



                              ________________________________
                              From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                              To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM
                              Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                              Hi Achin sir
                              Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.

                              I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)

                              Regards
                              Abhay
                              -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

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                              From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                              Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03
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                              Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                              Hi,

                              > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...

                              The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                              Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.

                              1.Hyundai i20.
                              2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                              3.Nissan Micra.
                              4.Skoda Fabia.

                              My preference:
                              1.Hyundai i20.
                              2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.

                              Drive safe,
                              Achin Juneja






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                            • Abhay Singh
                              Hi Dev Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift. Liva was not bad to
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                                Hi Dev

                                Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.
                                Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.

                                Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...

                                i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.

                                Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one. For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.

                                Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.

                                Thanks!
                                Abhay Singh
                                Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(
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                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...>
                                Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:48:43
                                To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
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                                Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.

                                Dev



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                                From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM
                                Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                Hi Achin sir
                                Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.

                                I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)

                                Regards
                                Abhay
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                                From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
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                                Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03
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                                Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                Hi,

                                > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...

                                The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                                Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.

                                1.Hyundai i20.
                                2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                3.Nissan Micra.
                                4.Skoda Fabia.

                                My preference:
                                1.Hyundai i20.
                                2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.

                                Drive safe,
                                Achin Juneja






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                              • Dev Abhishek
                                Hi  Abhay, Glad you could make up your mind, and I can t help but admire how diligently you went about the purchase. A couple of points (opinions) about the
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                                  Hi  Abhay,

                                  Glad you could make up your mind, and I can't help but admire how diligently you went about the purchase. A couple of points (opinions) about the swift. The tyres on the car are truly mushy and seem like they have been made from recycled chewing gum. See if you could trade them up for something a little better. Second, at the first oil change, switch to synthetic. There are many good reasons to do so.

                                  My dad's DLG has been on synthetic since the 40K service, or the last 15K kms. I got a new car for my dad recently, and was planning on selling the DLG. Believe it or not, many an informed customer was willing to pay a significant markup because the car had been on synthetic. More than any benefit from the oil itself, I think it sent out the message that we were diligent about the maintenance.

                                  Dev



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                                  From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                  To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 7:32 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                  Hi Dev

                                  Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.
                                  Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.

                                  Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...

                                  i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.

                                  Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one.  For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.

                                  Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.

                                  Thanks!
                                  Abhay Singh
                                  Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(
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                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...>
                                  Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:48:43
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                                  Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                  How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.

                                  Dev



                                  ________________________________
                                  From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                  To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                  Hi Achin sir
                                  Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.

                                  I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)

                                  Regards
                                  Abhay
                                  -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

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                                  From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
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                                  Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                  Hi,

                                  > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...

                                  The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                                  Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.

                                  1.Hyundai i20.
                                  2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                  3.Nissan Micra.
                                  4.Skoda Fabia.

                                  My preference:
                                  1.Hyundai i20.
                                  2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.

                                  Drive safe,
                                  Achin Juneja






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                                • Achin Juneja
                                  ... Strongly disagree. I have driven the Swift & the Dzire extensively, and found the stock tyres (165/80 R14, 185/70 R14; all on steel rims) very good,
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                                    >A couple of points (opinions) about the swift. The tyres on the car >are truly mushy and seem like they have been made from recycled >chewing gum.

                                    Strongly disagree. I have driven the Swift & the Dzire extensively, and found the stock tyres (165/80 R14, 185/70 R14; all on steel rims) very good, especially while cornering at speed on bad roads, cruising at 100 kmph on highways, or braking sharply on gravel. I have also seen relatives' & friends' Swift & Dzire's easily do 60k kms on the original tyres. But then the car was used as it was meant to be used, not as a "performance" machine!

                                    >Second, at the first oil change, switch to synthetic. There are many >good reasons to do so

                                    I cannot think of a single reason to change to synthetic oil for any diesel or petrol car made for Indian conditions (Swift, Dzire, Indica, Indigo, etc.). Tests have shown that in diesel engines used in Indian cars, there is is absolutely no advantage in spending the extra Rs.1000 per litre for synthetic oil. There are lakhs of Indica, Indigo, Swift & Dzire cars out there that have done 2,50,000 kms plus on normal mineral oil without an engine rebuild (and saved a huge amount of money by NOT using synthetic oil).

                                    Achin Juneja


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                                    > Hi  Abhay,
                                    >
                                    > Glad you could make up your mind, and I can't help but admire how diligently you went about the purchase. A couple of points (opinions) about the swift. The tyres on the car are truly mushy and seem like they have been made from recycled chewing gum. See if you could trade them up for something a little better. Second, at the first oil change, switch to synthetic. There are many good reasons to do so.
                                    >
                                    > My dad's DLG has been on synthetic since the 40K service, or the last 15K kms. I got a new car for my dad recently, and was planning on selling the DLG. Believe it or not, many an informed customer was willing to pay a significant markup because the car had been on synthetic. More than any benefit from the oil itself, I think it sent out the message that we were diligent about the maintenance.
                                    >
                                    > Dev
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
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                                    > From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                    > To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 7:32 AM
                                    > Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                    >
                                    > Hi Dev
                                    >
                                    > Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.
                                    > Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.
                                    >
                                    > Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...
                                    >
                                    > i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.
                                    >
                                    > Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one.  For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.
                                    >
                                    > Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.
                                    >
                                    > Thanks!
                                    > Abhay Singh
                                    > Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(
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                                    >
                                    > How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.
                                    >
                                    > Dev
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
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                                    > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM
                                    > Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                    >
                                    > Hi Achin sir
                                    > Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.
                                    >
                                    > I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)
                                    >
                                    > Regards
                                    > Abhay
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                                    >
                                    > Hi,
                                    >
                                    > > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...
                                    >
                                    > The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                                    > Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.
                                    >
                                    > 1.Hyundai i20.
                                    > 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                    > 3.Nissan Micra.
                                    > 4.Skoda Fabia.
                                    >
                                    > My preference:
                                    > 1.Hyundai i20.
                                    > 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                    >
                                    > Drive safe,
                                    > Achin Juneja
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                                  • Abhay Singh
                                    Hi folks I m in great dilemma whether buying a outdated dezire would really make sense or not. I m anyways stretching my budget to 6.5lacs and then spending
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                                      Hi folks
                                      I'm in great dilemma whether buying a outdated dezire would really make sense or not.

                                      I'm anyways stretching my budget to 6.5lacs and then spending 30k odd on accessories would take a toll on me. Hence, I'm thinking of going for a loaded Ford Figo as there is a huge waiting period on swift.

                                      Only dilemma is cost of ford service and I faintly remember Acin sir recommending against going for Figo.

                                      Just wanted groups suggestions on same.

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                                      From: "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...>
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                                      Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:02:27
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                                      Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                      Hi Dev

                                      Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.
                                      Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.

                                      Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...

                                      i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.

                                      Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one. For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.

                                      Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.

                                      Thanks!
                                      Abhay Singh
                                      Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(
                                      -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

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                                      How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.

                                      Dev



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                                      From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                      To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                      Hi Achin sir
                                      Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.

                                      I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)

                                      Regards
                                      Abhay
                                      -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

                                      -----Original Message-----
                                      From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                      Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03
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                                      Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                      Hi,

                                      > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...

                                      The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                                      Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.

                                      1.Hyundai i20.
                                      2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                      3.Nissan Micra.
                                      4.Skoda Fabia.

                                      My preference:
                                      1.Hyundai i20.
                                      2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.

                                      Drive safe,
                                      Achin Juneja






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                                    • himanshuji_in
                                      Hi Abhay, I too moved on from my first car - Indica Xeta 1.4 GLG , this Jan and had similar reasons and budget for buying a diesel hatch. My Nov 06 CNG+Petrol
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                                        Hi Abhay,
                                        I too moved on from my first car - Indica Xeta 1.4 GLG , this Jan and had similar reasons and budget for buying a diesel hatch.

                                        My Nov'06 CNG+Petrol Xeta had run 82k kms with daily run of around 60kms, each paid service was now costing me 6-8k and ever-increasing Petrol prices and shrinking FE (11-12kmpl with AC ON), poor After-sales (tried Vivek Auto/ Tayal/ Rama Okhla/ Gurgaon Car scanners/ AutoLinks Gurgaon/ Him Patparganj/ Elegant Cars with satisfaction only at now-closed Elegant Cars), constant CNG maintence issues and resale was dropping like crazy.

                                        I looked at the almost the same set of cars before choosing Nissan Micra XV dCi and here were my experiences:

                                        1. Liva GD
                                        OK to drive (not superlative, as Toyota salesperson wanted me to believe). Some features like Cooled glovebox and spacious interiors were impressive but overall it smelled, felt like cost-cutting all over.
                                        The materials chosen made me feel I was buying a car in the range of Alto or even lower. Noise insulation was also very poor so much so that I felt that I was sitting on the engine while driving.

                                        2. Swift VDI
                                        With a waiting period of 8-10 months, a baby can come faster than Swift !
                                        Though the new Swift is more spacious and more driveable and Maruti after-sales is legendary and reliable, but the waiting period simply put me off.

                                        3.Polo
                                        Looked good from inside and outside, very well-designed and well-engineered, good bootspace, lots of nifty touches (speaker for the bluetooth at the top-corner of driver seat/ well designed glovebox, wonderful material used, indications when to move up the gear and when to move down etc.)
                                        But the deal breaker in this case was the really cramped and uncomfortable read seat (esp. the foot and leg room)

                                        4. Figo
                                        Almost decided on this most spacious, very nimble (yet study) most VFM diesel hatch ..
                                        Only to drop it because of very mixed (read, not-so-good) after-sales feedback from my colleagues who had Figo from more than 6-8 months

                                        5. I20
                                        Though it was going outside my budget, decided to look at it.. lovely car to drive, wonderful interiors, spacious .. but decided against it when a couple of my friends (and even lots of reviews on team-bhp) mentioned about issues with i20 esp. regarding its suspension.

                                        6. Ritz
                                        A more VFM, under-rated alternative to Swift with the same Maruti after-sales ... it was great to drive, decent feature set (not too many features as compared to say Polo or Figo) .. spacious enough for a small family of 4-5.. but dropped Ritz out of my reckoning simply because lots of Maruti dealers were not even willing to give a TD on LDi/ VDi Ritz (instead offering me a TD on LXi/ VXi when I wanted to buy a diesel Ritz !!)
                                        also though at most MS dealers (I tried 6 of them in South Delhi), their notice boards mentioned 2-3 weeks of waiting, the sales persons told that getting Ritz before 2-3 months was tough (this was in Dec-end and I wanted delivery in mid-Jan).. so felt that there was lack of open-ness from Maruti sales people... so left Ritz there :)

                                        7. Micra
                                        Initially just a sweet looking car which we TD just for the heck of it... it became a major contender based on reviews @ team-bhp, good feedback of the 1.5L dCi engine, Nissan reliability, and being very very easy to drive ..
                                        after having 3 test rides of Micra just to make sure that it was right, decided on it.
                                        In favour of Micra:
                                        - super helpful sales and service staff (very open, very eager to please, very helpful)
                                        - very very easy to drive , excellent super soft steering, very low turning radius makes city driving pain-free , good noise insulation, no turbo-lag (making me feel that I am still driving a petrol engine)
                                        - some very nifty technological touches (the key-less key is super easy and comfortable - the key just remains in my bag/ pocket and i don't need to take it out at all!!)
                                        - the first servicing and an emergency checkup were super thorough and the service staff always over-estimate (so the car is delivered before the promised time :) .. ) the wash quality was excellent, customer service was great (offered tea/ coffee and even breakfast at the customer lounge !! ) ..
                                        service staff clearly tells the issues and the resolution (if needed you can freely talk to Asstt. Mgr (Service), Gen. Mgr.(Service) at any time as they are always around the cars and seeing to all the cars being repaired.)

                                        Some things which I didn't like but can live with it:
                                        1. it is not a great highway roadster - its FE drops from the usual 17-19 kmpl (during the peak Delhi traffic times of 9am morning and 6-6.30 pm evening) to 14-15 kmpl and it grunts a bit going over 100 kmph(though it can safely go and handle speeds in the range of 100 and above)

                                        2. the interior storage is slightly on lower side and the space for bottles is on stingy side..

                                        3. the under-thigh support esp on back seat is slightly less .. but can do with it esp. if not sitting more than a couple of hours..

                                        so all in all a very pleased Micra customer now.. so if you find some merit, do try out Micra dCi

                                        Hope my experience can be of some help,
                                        Please do let me know if you need any more inputs from my side,
                                        regards,
                                        Himanshu G.





                                        --- In indica-users@yahoogroups.com, "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Hi folks
                                        > I'm in great dilemma whether buying a outdated dezire would really make sense or not.
                                        >
                                        > I'm anyways stretching my budget to 6.5lacs and then spending 30k odd on accessories would take a toll on me. Hence, I'm thinking of going for a loaded Ford Figo as there is a huge waiting period on swift.
                                        >
                                        > Only dilemma is cost of ford service and I faintly remember Acin sir recommending against going for Figo.
                                        >
                                        > Just wanted groups suggestions on same.
                                        >
                                        > -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                        >
                                        > -----Original Message-----
                                        > From: "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...>
                                        > Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:02:27
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                                        > Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                        >
                                        > Hi Dev

                                        >

                                        > Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.

                                        > Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.

                                        >

                                        > Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...

                                        >

                                        > i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.

                                        >

                                        > Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one. For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.

                                        >

                                        > Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.

                                        >

                                        > Thanks!

                                        > Abhay Singh

                                        > Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(

                                        > -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

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                                        >

                                        > How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.

                                        >

                                        > Dev

                                        >

                                        >

                                        >

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                                        > To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com

                                        > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM

                                        > Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                        >

                                        > Hi Achin sir

                                        > Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.

                                        >

                                        > I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)

                                        >

                                        > Regards

                                        > Abhay

                                        > -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

                                        >

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                                        > Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03

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                                        >

                                        > Hi,

                                        >

                                        > > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...

                                        >

                                        > The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...

                                        > Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.

                                        >

                                        > 1.Hyundai i20.

                                        > 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.

                                        > 3.Nissan Micra.

                                        > 4.Skoda Fabia.

                                        >

                                        > My preference:

                                        > 1.Hyundai i20.

                                        > 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.

                                        >

                                        > Drive safe,

                                        > Achin Juneja

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                                      • Achin Juneja
                                        Hi Abhay, No point buying the Dzire. You will be disappointed with the cabin space of the Figo. Both the i20 & the Etios Liva have bigger cabins. Ford service
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                                          Hi Abhay,

                                          No point buying the Dzire.
                                          You will be disappointed with the cabin space of the Figo. Both the i20 & the Etios Liva have bigger cabins. Ford service is both disappointing & expensive.
                                          I suggest you go for the Ritz Vdi, from your first short list. It is well within your budget, good to drive, returns 20 kmpl, trouble free.

                                          Drive safe,
                                          Achin Juneja


                                          --- In indica-users@yahoogroups.com, "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Hi folks
                                          > I'm in great dilemma whether buying a outdated dezire would really make sense or not.
                                          >
                                          > I'm anyways stretching my budget to 6.5lacs and then spending 30k odd on accessories would take a toll on me. Hence, I'm thinking of going for a loaded Ford Figo as there is a huge waiting period on swift.
                                          >
                                          > Only dilemma is cost of ford service and I faintly remember Acin sir recommending against going for Figo.
                                          >
                                          > Just wanted groups suggestions on same.
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                                          > Hi Dev

                                          >

                                          > Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.

                                          > Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.

                                          >

                                          > Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...

                                          >

                                          > i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.

                                          >

                                          > Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one. For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.

                                          >

                                          > Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.

                                          >

                                          > Thanks!

                                          > Abhay Singh

                                          > Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(

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                                          > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:48:43

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                                          >

                                          > How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.

                                          >

                                          > Dev

                                          >

                                          >

                                          >

                                          > ________________________________

                                          > From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>

                                          > To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com

                                          > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM

                                          > Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                          >

                                          > Hi Achin sir

                                          > Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.

                                          >

                                          > I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)

                                          >

                                          > Regards

                                          > Abhay

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                                          > -----Original Message-----

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                                          > Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03

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                                          >

                                          > Hi,

                                          >

                                          > > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...

                                          >

                                          > The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...

                                          > Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.

                                          >

                                          > 1.Hyundai i20.

                                          > 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.

                                          > 3.Nissan Micra.

                                          > 4.Skoda Fabia.

                                          >

                                          > My preference:

                                          > 1.Hyundai i20.

                                          > 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.

                                          >

                                          > Drive safe,

                                          > Achin Juneja

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                                        • Abhay Singh
                                          Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI. Started the
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                                            Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.

                                            Started the search with zeroing on two cars Ritz and Punto. Went to the showroom and test drove a Ritz vdi. I truly enjoyed the drive as there was no effort in driving the car. Turbo was kicking in at 1800-2000 RPM. However, another decision maker- my wife- who had nothing to do with driving experience was not impressed with OK interiors and unappealing exterior design. So we moved on to looking at Swift which had a waiting period of 2 months. Took sometime to think whether we really wanted to wait for that long for our car.
                                            Meanwhile, I had already received 3-4 calls from Volkswagen representative who had been waiting for me since morning. I finally visited the showroom while crossing it to go for a test drive the Punto. Rear space looks cramped from outside but we sat comfortably. Though it was nowhere when compared to indica. Boot space is amazing. Drove the car for 6-8 kms and loved the way it was handling bad roads.

                                            Instant decision was made to book this one. Got 15k corporate discount which brought down the price to 6.22 lacs. I think its a gud deal for the german machine. Also, managed to get seat covers, floor mats and mud flaps.

                                            Adviser told me that the first service will be due after one year or 15k kms as the car uses synthetic oil. And road side assistance all over India. Expect the delivery on coming thursday if the loan is done on time.

                                            Finally, getting to sleep sound tonight. Thanks all for your great advises that assisted me in closing this flash red beauty.

                                            Regards
                                            Abhay Singh



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                                            -----Original Message-----
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                                            Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 04:02:44
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                                            Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                            Hi Abhay,

                                            No point buying the Dzire.
                                            You will be disappointed with the cabin space of the Figo. Both the i20 & the Etios Liva have bigger cabins. Ford service is both disappointing & expensive.
                                            I suggest you go for the Ritz Vdi, from your first short list. It is well within your budget, good to drive, returns 20 kmpl, trouble free.

                                            Drive safe,
                                            Achin Juneja


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                                            >
                                            > Hi folks
                                            > I'm in great dilemma whether buying a outdated dezire would really make sense or not.
                                            >
                                            > I'm anyways stretching my budget to 6.5lacs and then spending 30k odd on accessories would take a toll on me. Hence, I'm thinking of going for a loaded Ford Figo as there is a huge waiting period on swift.
                                            >
                                            > Only dilemma is cost of ford service and I faintly remember Acin sir recommending against going for Figo.
                                            >
                                            > Just wanted groups suggestions on same.
                                            >
                                            > -Sent on my BlackBerry� from Vodafone
                                            >
                                            > -----Original Message-----
                                            > From: "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...>
                                            > Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:02:27
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                                            > Hi Dev

                                            >

                                            > Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.

                                            > Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.

                                            >

                                            > Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...

                                            >

                                            > i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.

                                            >

                                            > Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one. For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.

                                            >

                                            > Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.

                                            >

                                            > Thanks!

                                            > Abhay Singh

                                            > Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(

                                            > -Sent on my BlackBerry� from Vodafone

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                                            > -----Original Message-----

                                            > From: Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...>

                                            > Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com

                                            > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:48:43

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                                            >

                                            > How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.

                                            >

                                            > Dev

                                            >

                                            >

                                            >

                                            > ________________________________

                                            > From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>

                                            > To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com

                                            > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM

                                            > Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                            >

                                            > Hi Achin sir

                                            > Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.

                                            >

                                            > I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)

                                            >

                                            > Regards

                                            > Abhay

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                                            > -----Original Message-----

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                                            > Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03

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                                            >

                                            > Hi,

                                            >

                                            > > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...

                                            >

                                            > The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...

                                            > Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.

                                            >

                                            > 1.Hyundai i20.

                                            > 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.

                                            > 3.Nissan Micra.

                                            > 4.Skoda Fabia.

                                            >

                                            > My preference:

                                            > 1.Hyundai i20.

                                            > 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.

                                            >

                                            > Drive safe,

                                            > Achin Juneja

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                                          • Dev Abhishek
                                            Hello Achin Sir, Yes, I know we have contrary opinions on the the issue of tyres :-) Let s leave it there. About synthetic oil - true, it does cost more but
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                                              Hello Achin Sir,

                                              Yes, I know we have contrary opinions on the the issue of tyres :-) Let's leave it there.

                                              About synthetic oil - true, it does cost more but then the oil change interval is increased significantly. For my DLG, I moved it from 7.5K Kms to 20K kms. For the X1, the interval is 20K kms again, and NO time limit (yes, this per the manufacturer's recommendation). My greatest fear with mineral oil is coking of residual turbo oil from heat soak-back, which is known to be the number one culprit in premature turbo failures. Coking temperatures for synthetic oil are routinely 50-60 C higher than mineral, and this condition is all but removed.


                                              Thanks for the point about warrantly - since all my experiments were with older cars, this did not really concern me but would be of critical importance when picking up a new car.


                                              Thanks,
                                              Dev



                                              ________________________________
                                              From: Achin Juneja <achinjuneja@...>
                                              To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 6:18 PM
                                              Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA


                                               
                                              >A couple of points (opinions) about the swift. The tyres on the car >are truly mushy and seem like they have been made from recycled >chewing gum.

                                              Strongly disagree. I have driven the Swift & the Dzire extensively, and found the stock tyres (165/80 R14, 185/70 R14; all on steel rims) very good, especially while cornering at speed on bad roads, cruising at 100 kmph on highways, or braking sharply on gravel. I have also seen relatives' & friends' Swift & Dzire's easily do 60k kms on the original tyres. But then the car was used as it was meant to be used, not as a "performance" machine!

                                              >Second, at the first oil change, switch to synthetic. There are many >good reasons to do so

                                              I cannot think of a single reason to change to synthetic oil for any diesel or petrol car made for Indian conditions (Swift, Dzire, Indica, Indigo, etc.). Tests have shown that in diesel engines used in Indian cars, there is is absolutely no advantage in spending the extra Rs.1000 per litre for synthetic oil. There are lakhs of Indica, Indigo, Swift & Dzire cars out there that have done 2,50,000 kms plus on normal mineral oil without an engine rebuild (and saved a huge amount of money by NOT using synthetic oil).

                                              Achin Juneja

                                              --- In indica-users@yahoogroups.com, Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Hi  Abhay,
                                              >
                                              > Glad you could make up your mind, and I can't help but admire how diligently you went about the purchase. A couple of points (opinions) about the swift. The tyres on the car are truly mushy and seem like they have been made from recycled chewing gum. See if you could trade them up for something a little better. Second, at the first oil change, switch to synthetic. There are many good reasons to do so.
                                              >
                                              > My dad's DLG has been on synthetic since the 40K service, or the last 15K kms. I got a new car for my dad recently, and was planning on selling the DLG. Believe it or not, many an informed customer was willing to pay a significant markup because the car had been on synthetic. More than any benefit from the oil itself, I think it sent out the message that we were diligent about the maintenance.
                                              >
                                              > Dev
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > ________________________________
                                              > From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                              > To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 7:32 AM
                                              > Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                              >
                                              > Hi Dev
                                              >
                                              > Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.
                                              > Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.
                                              >
                                              > Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...
                                              >
                                              > i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.
                                              >
                                              > Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one.  For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.
                                              >
                                              > Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.
                                              >
                                              > Thanks!
                                              > Abhay Singh
                                              > Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(
                                              > -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
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                                              >
                                              > How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.
                                              >
                                              > Dev
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > ________________________________
                                              > From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                              > To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM
                                              > Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                              >
                                              > Hi Achin sir
                                              > Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.
                                              >
                                              > I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)
                                              >
                                              > Regards
                                              > Abhay
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                                              > Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03
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                                              > Hi,
                                              >
                                              > > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...
                                              >
                                              > The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                                              > Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.
                                              >
                                              > 1.Hyundai i20.
                                              > 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                              > 3.Nissan Micra.
                                              > 4.Skoda Fabia.
                                              >
                                              > My preference:
                                              > 1.Hyundai i20.
                                              > 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                              >
                                              > Drive safe,
                                              > Achin Juneja
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                                            • Dev Abhishek
                                              And, I might also add, the DLG seems significantly quieter under acceleration. Again, this might not be applicable to globally, since the DLG s engine is an
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                                                And, I might also add, the DLG seems significantly quieter under acceleration. Again, this might not be applicable to globally, since the DLG's engine is an older design, soon to be relegated to history.
                                                Dev



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                                                Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 3:37 PM
                                                Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA


                                                 
                                                Hello Achin Sir,

                                                Yes, I know we have contrary opinions on the the issue of tyres :-) Let's leave it there.

                                                About synthetic oil - true, it does cost more but then the oil change interval is increased significantly. For my DLG, I moved it from 7.5K Kms to 20K kms. For the X1, the interval is 20K kms again, and NO time limit (yes, this per the manufacturer's recommendation). My greatest fear with mineral oil is coking of residual turbo oil from heat soak-back, which is known to be the number one culprit in premature turbo failures. Coking temperatures for synthetic oil are routinely 50-60 C higher than mineral, and this condition is all but removed.

                                                Thanks for the point about warrantly - since all my experiments were with older cars, this did not really concern me but would be of critical importance when picking up a new car.

                                                Thanks,
                                                Dev

                                                ________________________________
                                                From: Achin Juneja <achinjuneja@...>
                                                To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 6:18 PM
                                                Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA


                                                 
                                                >A couple of points (opinions) about the swift. The tyres on the car >are truly mushy and seem like they have been made from recycled >chewing gum.

                                                Strongly disagree. I have driven the Swift & the Dzire extensively, and found the stock tyres (165/80 R14, 185/70 R14; all on steel rims) very good, especially while cornering at speed on bad roads, cruising at 100 kmph on highways, or braking sharply on gravel. I have also seen relatives' & friends' Swift & Dzire's easily do 60k kms on the original tyres. But then the car was used as it was meant to be used, not as a "performance" machine!

                                                >Second, at the first oil change, switch to synthetic. There are many >good reasons to do so

                                                I cannot think of a single reason to change to synthetic oil for any diesel or petrol car made for Indian conditions (Swift, Dzire, Indica, Indigo, etc.). Tests have shown that in diesel engines used in Indian cars, there is is absolutely no advantage in spending the extra Rs.1000 per litre for synthetic oil. There are lakhs of Indica, Indigo, Swift & Dzire cars out there that have done 2,50,000 kms plus on normal mineral oil without an engine rebuild (and saved a huge amount of money by NOT using synthetic oil).

                                                Achin Juneja

                                                --- In indica-users@yahoogroups.com, Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Hi  Abhay,
                                                >
                                                > Glad you could make up your mind, and I can't help but admire how diligently you went about the purchase. A couple of points (opinions) about the swift. The tyres on the car are truly mushy and seem like they have been made from recycled chewing gum. See if you could trade them up for something a little better. Second, at the first oil change, switch to synthetic. There are many good reasons to do so.
                                                >
                                                > My dad's DLG has been on synthetic since the 40K service, or the last 15K kms. I got a new car for my dad recently, and was planning on selling the DLG. Believe it or not, many an informed customer was willing to pay a significant markup because the car had been on synthetic. More than any benefit from the oil itself, I think it sent out the message that we were diligent about the maintenance.
                                                >
                                                > Dev
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > ________________________________
                                                > From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                > To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 7:32 AM
                                                > Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                >
                                                > Hi Dev
                                                >
                                                > Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.
                                                > Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.
                                                >
                                                > Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...
                                                >
                                                > i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.
                                                >
                                                > Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one.  For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.
                                                >
                                                > Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.
                                                >
                                                > Thanks!
                                                > Abhay Singh
                                                > Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(
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                                                > -----Original Message-----
                                                > From: Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...>
                                                > Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:48:43
                                                > To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                >
                                                > How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.
                                                >
                                                > Dev
                                                >
                                                >
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                                                > From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                > To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM
                                                > Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                >
                                                > Hi Achin sir
                                                > Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.
                                                >
                                                > I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)
                                                >
                                                > Regards
                                                > Abhay
                                                > -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
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                                                > -----Original Message-----
                                                > From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                > Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03
                                                > To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                >
                                                > Hi,
                                                >
                                                > > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...
                                                >
                                                > The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                                                > Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.
                                                >
                                                > 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                > 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                > 3.Nissan Micra.
                                                > 4.Skoda Fabia.
                                                >
                                                > My preference:
                                                > 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                > 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                >
                                                > Drive safe,
                                                > Achin Juneja
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                                              • Deepak R Umrankar
                                                Hi Abhay, ... deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI. Congratulations on booking Polo Trendline. This is no doubt a very good
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                                                  Hi Abhay,

                                                  >Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the
                                                  deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.


                                                  Congratulations on booking Polo Trendline. This is no doubt a very good premium hatch, with sturdy built & superb interiors. However the TDi is a 3-pot mill & 3 cylinder engines are noisier compared to their 4 cylinder counterparts (NVH levels are on the higher side). Didn't you feel so on your test drive?

                                                  Also how much loan are you taking & @ what ROI?

                                                   
                                                  Best Regards
                                                  Deepak Umrankar





                                                  >________________________________
                                                  > From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                  >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                  >Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 11:17 PM
                                                  >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                  >
                                                  >Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.
                                                  >
                                                  >Started the search with zeroing on two cars Ritz and Punto. Went to the showroom and test drove a Ritz vdi. I truly enjoyed the drive as there was no effort in driving the car. Turbo was kicking in at 1800-2000 RPM. However, another decision maker- my wife- who had nothing to do with driving experience was not impressed with OK interiors and unappealing exterior design. So we moved on to looking at Swift which had a waiting period of 2 months. Took sometime to think whether we really wanted to wait for that long for our car.
                                                  >Meanwhile, I had already received 3-4 calls from Volkswagen representative who had been waiting for me since morning. I finally visited the showroom while crossing it to go for a test drive the Punto. Rear space looks cramped from outside but we sat comfortably. Though it was nowhere when compared to indica. Boot space is amazing. Drove the car for 6-8 kms and loved the way it was handling bad roads.
                                                  >
                                                  >Instant decision was made to book this one. Got 15k corporate discount which brought down the price to 6.22 lacs. I think its a gud deal for the german machine. Also, managed to get seat covers, floor mats and mud flaps.
                                                  >
                                                  >Adviser told me that the first service will be due after one year or 15k kms as the car uses synthetic oil. And road side assistance all over India. Expect the delivery on coming thursday if the loan is done on time.
                                                  >
                                                  >Finally, getting to sleep sound tonight. Thanks all for your great advises that assisted me in closing this flash red beauty.
                                                  >
                                                  >Regards
                                                  >Abhay Singh
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                  >
                                                  >-----Original Message-----
                                                  >From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                  >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                  >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 04:02:44
                                                  >To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                  >Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                  >
                                                  >Hi Abhay,
                                                  >
                                                  >No point buying the Dzire.
                                                  >You will be disappointed with the cabin space of the Figo. Both the i20 & the Etios Liva have bigger cabins. Ford service is both disappointing & expensive.
                                                  >I suggest you go for the Ritz Vdi, from your first short list. It is well within your budget, good to drive, returns 20 kmpl, trouble free.
                                                  >
                                                  >Drive safe,
                                                  >Achin Juneja
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >--- In indica-users@yahoogroups.com, "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...> wrote:
                                                  >>
                                                  >> Hi folks
                                                  >> I'm in great dilemma whether buying a outdated dezire would really make sense or not.
                                                  >>
                                                  >> I'm anyways stretching my budget to 6.5lacs and then spending 30k odd on accessories would take a toll on me. Hence, I'm thinking of going for a loaded Ford Figo as there is a huge waiting period on swift.
                                                  >>
                                                  >> Only dilemma is cost of ford service and I faintly remember Acin sir recommending against going for Figo.
                                                  >>
                                                  >> Just wanted groups suggestions on same.
                                                  >>
                                                  >> -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                  >>
                                                  >> -----Original Message-----
                                                  >> From: "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...>
                                                  >> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                  >> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:02:27
                                                  >> To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  >> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                  >> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                  >>
                                                  >> Hi Dev
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.
                                                  >
                                                  >> Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one.  For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> Thanks!
                                                  >
                                                  >> Abhay Singh
                                                  >
                                                  >> Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(
                                                  >
                                                  >> -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
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                                                  >
                                                  >> From: Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...>
                                                  >
                                                  >> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                  >
                                                  >> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:48:43
                                                  >
                                                  >> To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  >
                                                  >> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                  >
                                                  >> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> Dev
                                                  >
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                                                  >
                                                  >>  From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                  >
                                                  >> To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                  >
                                                  >> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM
                                                  >
                                                  >> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                  >
                                                  >> 
                                                  >
                                                  >> Hi Achin sir
                                                  >
                                                  >> Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> Regards
                                                  >
                                                  >> Abhay
                                                  >
                                                  >> -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> -----Original Message-----
                                                  >
                                                  >> From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                  >
                                                  >> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                  >
                                                  >> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03
                                                  >
                                                  >> To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  >
                                                  >> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                  >
                                                  >> Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> Hi,
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                                                  >
                                                  >> Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                  >
                                                  >> 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                  >
                                                  >> 3.Nissan Micra.
                                                  >
                                                  >> 4.Skoda Fabia.
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> My preference:
                                                  >
                                                  >> 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                  >
                                                  >> 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                  >
                                                  >>
                                                  >
                                                  >> Drive safe,
                                                  >
                                                  >> Achin Juneja
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                                                  Thanks Dev. I did feel a little noise at high speed but if I compare Polo with the like of ritz and figo, I would any day bet my money on this german machine.
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                                                    Thanks Dev. I did feel a little noise at high speed but if I compare Polo with the like of ritz and figo, I would any day bet my money on this german machine. Moreover, interiors and exteriors were both suttle but boasted of a premium quality. Hence, settled for this one.

                                                    Also, post my daughter's birth, I'm a relaxed driver who does not revv up most of times. Hence, this looked like a good buy.

                                                    Thanks
                                                    Abhay
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                                                    -----Original Message-----
                                                    From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
                                                    Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                    Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:35:49
                                                    To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                    Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                                    Hi Abhay,

                                                    >Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the
                                                    deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.


                                                    Congratulations on booking Polo Trendline. This is no doubt a very good premium hatch, with sturdy built & superb interiors. However the TDi is a 3-pot mill & 3 cylinder engines are noisier compared to their 4 cylinder counterparts (NVH levels are on the higher side). Didn't you feel so on your test drive?

                                                    Also how much loan are you taking & @ what ROI?


                                                    Best Regards
                                                    Deepak Umrankar





                                                    >________________________________
                                                    > From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                    >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 11:17 PM
                                                    >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                    >
                                                    >Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.
                                                    >
                                                    >Started the search with zeroing on two cars Ritz and Punto. Went to the showroom and test drove a Ritz vdi. I truly enjoyed the drive as there was no effort in driving the car. Turbo was kicking in at 1800-2000 RPM. However, another decision maker- my wife- who had nothing to do with driving experience was not impressed with OK interiors and unappealing exterior design. So we moved on to looking at Swift which had a waiting period of 2 months. Took sometime to think whether we really wanted to wait for that long for our car.
                                                    >Meanwhile, I had already received 3-4 calls from Volkswagen representative who had been waiting for me since morning. I finally visited the showroom while crossing it to go for a test drive the Punto. Rear space looks cramped from outside but we sat comfortably. Though it was nowhere when compared to indica. Boot space is amazing. Drove the car for 6-8 kms and loved the way it was handling bad roads.
                                                    >
                                                    >Instant decision was made to book this one. Got 15k corporate discount which brought down the price to 6.22 lacs. I think its a gud deal for the german machine. Also, managed to get seat covers, floor mats and mud flaps.
                                                    >
                                                    >Adviser told me that the first service will be due after one year or 15k kms as the car uses synthetic oil. And road side assistance all over India. Expect the delivery on coming thursday if the loan is done on time.
                                                    >
                                                    >Finally, getting to sleep sound tonight. Thanks all for your great advises that assisted me in closing this flash red beauty.
                                                    >
                                                    >Regards
                                                    >Abhay Singh
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >-Sent on my BlackBerry� from Vodafone
                                                    >
                                                    >-----Original Message-----
                                                    >From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                    >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 04:02:44
                                                    >To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                    >
                                                    >Hi Abhay,
                                                    >
                                                    >No point buying the Dzire.
                                                    >You will be disappointed with the cabin space of the Figo. Both the i20 & the Etios Liva have bigger cabins. Ford service is both disappointing & expensive.
                                                    >I suggest you go for the Ritz Vdi, from your first short list. It is well within your budget, good to drive, returns 20 kmpl, trouble free.
                                                    >
                                                    >Drive safe,
                                                    >Achin Juneja
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >--- In indica-users@yahoogroups.com, "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...> wrote:
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Hi folks
                                                    >> I'm in great dilemma whether buying a outdated dezire would really make sense or not.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> I'm anyways stretching my budget to 6.5lacs and then spending 30k odd on accessories would take a toll on me. Hence, I'm thinking of going for a loaded Ford Figo as there is a huge waiting period on swift.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Only dilemma is cost of ford service and I faintly remember Acin sir recommending against going for Figo.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Just wanted groups suggestions on same.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> -Sent on my BlackBerry� from Vodafone
                                                    >>
                                                    >> -----Original Message-----
                                                    >> From: "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...>
                                                    >> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:02:27
                                                    >> To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    >> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Hi Dev
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.
                                                    >
                                                    >> Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one.� For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> Thanks!
                                                    >
                                                    >> Abhay Singh
                                                    >
                                                    >> Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(
                                                    >
                                                    >> -Sent on my BlackBerry� from Vodafone
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> -----Original Message-----
                                                    >
                                                    >> From: Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...>
                                                    >
                                                    >> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >
                                                    >> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:48:43
                                                    >
                                                    >> To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    >
                                                    >> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >
                                                    >> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> Dev
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> ________________________________
                                                    >
                                                    >>� From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                    >
                                                    >> To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >
                                                    >> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM
                                                    >
                                                    >> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                    >
                                                    >>�
                                                    >
                                                    >> Hi Achin sir
                                                    >
                                                    >> Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> Regards
                                                    >
                                                    >> Abhay
                                                    >
                                                    >> -Sent on my BlackBerry� from Vodafone
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> -----Original Message-----
                                                    >
                                                    >> From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                    >
                                                    >> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >
                                                    >> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03
                                                    >
                                                    >> To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    >
                                                    >> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >
                                                    >> Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> Hi,
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                                                    >
                                                    >> Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                    >
                                                    >> 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                    >
                                                    >> 3.Nissan Micra.
                                                    >
                                                    >> 4.Skoda Fabia.
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> My preference:
                                                    >
                                                    >> 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                    >
                                                    >> 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >> Drive safe,
                                                    >
                                                    >> Achin Juneja
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >
                                                    >>
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                                                  • abhay singh
                                                    Sorry.... I meant Deepak The loan is still under approval, but I m expecting an EMI of approx. 10k per month on a loan of 4.95 lacs @ 11.75% pa from VW
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                                                      Sorry.... I meant Deepak

                                                      The loan is still under approval, but I'm expecting an EMI of approx. 10k per month on a loan of 4.95 lacs @ 11.75% pa from VW finance.
                                                       
                                                      Regards
                                                      Abhay Singh




                                                      >________________________________
                                                      > From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                      >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2012 6:33 PM
                                                      >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                      >
                                                      >Thanks Dev. I did feel a little noise at high speed but if I compare Polo with the like of ritz and figo, I would any day bet my money on this german machine. Moreover, interiors and exteriors were both suttle but boasted of a premium quality. Hence, settled for this one.
                                                      >
                                                      >Also, post my daughter's birth, I'm a relaxed driver who does not revv up most of times. Hence, this looked like a good buy.
                                                      >
                                                      >Thanks
                                                      >Abhay
                                                      >-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                      >
                                                      >-----Original Message-----
                                                      >From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
                                                      >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:35:49
                                                      >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                      >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                      >
                                                      >Hi Abhay,
                                                      >
                                                      >>Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the
                                                      >deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >Congratulations on booking Polo Trendline. This is no doubt a very good premium hatch, with sturdy built & superb interiors. However the TDi is a 3-pot mill & 3 cylinder engines are noisier compared to their 4 cylinder counterparts (NVH levels are on the higher side). Didn't you feel so on your test drive?
                                                      >
                                                      >Also how much loan are you taking & @ what ROI?
                                                      >

                                                      >Best Regards
                                                      >Deepak Umrankar
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >>________________________________
                                                      >> From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                      >>To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >>Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 11:17 PM
                                                      >>Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                      >>
                                                      >>Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>Started the search with zeroing on two cars Ritz and Punto. Went to the showroom and test drove a Ritz vdi. I truly enjoyed the drive as there was no effort in driving the car. Turbo was kicking in at 1800-2000 RPM. However, another decision maker- my wife- who had nothing to do with driving experience was not impressed with OK interiors and unappealing exterior design. So we moved on to looking at Swift which had a waiting period of 2 months. Took sometime to think whether we really wanted to wait for that long for our car.
                                                      >>Meanwhile, I had already received 3-4 calls from Volkswagen representative who had been waiting for me since morning. I finally visited the showroom while crossing it to go for a test drive the Punto. Rear space looks cramped from outside but we sat comfortably. Though it was nowhere when compared to indica. Boot space is amazing. Drove the car for 6-8 kms and loved the way it was handling bad roads.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>Instant decision was made to book this one. Got 15k corporate discount which brought down the price to 6.22 lacs. I think its a gud deal for the german machine. Also, managed to get seat covers, floor mats and mud flaps.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>Adviser told me that the first service will be due after one year or 15k kms as the car uses synthetic oil. And road side assistance all over India. Expect the delivery on coming thursday if the loan is done on time.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>Finally, getting to sleep sound tonight. Thanks all for your great advises that assisted me in closing this flash red beauty.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>Regards
                                                      >>Abhay Singh
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                      >>
                                                      >>-----Original Message-----
                                                      >>From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                      >>Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >>Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 04:02:44
                                                      >>To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                      >>Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >>Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                      >>
                                                      >>Hi Abhay,
                                                      >>
                                                      >>No point buying the Dzire.
                                                      >>You will be disappointed with the cabin space of the Figo. Both the i20 & the Etios Liva have bigger cabins. Ford service is both disappointing & expensive.
                                                      >>I suggest you go for the Ritz Vdi, from your first short list. It is well within your budget, good to drive, returns 20 kmpl, trouble free.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>Drive safe,
                                                      >>Achin Juneja
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>--- In indica-users@yahoogroups.com, "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...> wrote:
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> Hi folks
                                                      >>> I'm in great dilemma whether buying a outdated dezire would really make sense or not.
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> I'm anyways stretching my budget to 6.5lacs and then spending 30k odd on accessories would take a toll on me. Hence, I'm thinking of going for a loaded Ford Figo as there is a huge waiting period on swift.
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> Only dilemma is cost of ford service and I faintly remember Acin sir recommending against going for Figo.
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> Just wanted groups suggestions on same.
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> -----Original Message-----
                                                      >>> From: "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...>
                                                      >>> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >>> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:02:27
                                                      >>> To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                      >>> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >>> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> Hi Dev
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one.  For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Thanks!
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Abhay Singh
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> -----Original Message-----
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> From: Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:48:43
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Dev
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> ________________________________
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>  From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> 
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Hi Achin sir
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Regards
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Abhay
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> -----Original Message-----
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Hi,
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> 3.Nissan Micra.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> 4.Skoda Fabia.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> My preference:
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Drive safe,
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> Achin Juneja
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>
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                                                      >>
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                                                      Congrats! Yes, the VW is a great machine, even if with the 3 cylinder mill. I had helped a friend test drive the VW series of vehicles and raised the issue of
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                                                        Congrats! Yes, the VW is a great machine, even if with the 3 cylinder mill. I had helped a friend test drive the VW series of vehicles and raised the issue of the 3 cylinder mill with the sales personnel. They gave me a canned reply about some advanced balancer shafts and dampers, and the fact that even V6 engines do not have primary balance (technically correct)! But the engine seemed quiet enough and 3 cylinders means one fewer cylinder to rebuild after half a million kms that the engine will last you!

                                                        Take good care of the baby, it a product of great engineering and fantastic heritage. I hope it lives up to it for you.


                                                        Dev



                                                        ________________________________
                                                        From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                        To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                        Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 6:40 PM
                                                        Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA


                                                         
                                                        Sorry.... I meant Deepak

                                                        The loan is still under approval, but I'm expecting an EMI of approx. 10k per month on a loan of 4.95 lacs @ 11.75% pa from VW finance.
                                                         
                                                        Regards
                                                        Abhay Singh

                                                        >________________________________
                                                        > From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                        >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2012 6:33 PM
                                                        >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                        >
                                                        >Thanks Dev. I did feel a little noise at high speed but if I compare Polo with the like of ritz and figo, I would any day bet my money on this german machine. Moreover, interiors and exteriors were both suttle but boasted of a premium quality. Hence, settled for this one.
                                                        >
                                                        >Also, post my daughter's birth, I'm a relaxed driver who does not revv up most of times. Hence, this looked like a good buy.
                                                        >
                                                        >Thanks
                                                        >Abhay
                                                        >-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                        >
                                                        >-----Original Message-----
                                                        >From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
                                                        >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:35:49
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                                                        >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                        >
                                                        >Hi Abhay,
                                                        >
                                                        >>Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the
                                                        >deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >Congratulations on booking Polo Trendline. This is no doubt a very good premium hatch, with sturdy built & superb interiors. However the TDi is a 3-pot mill & 3 cylinder engines are noisier compared to their 4 cylinder counterparts (NVH levels are on the higher side). Didn't you feel so on your test drive?
                                                        >
                                                        >Also how much loan are you taking & @ what ROI?
                                                        >

                                                        >Best Regards
                                                        >Deepak Umrankar
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >>________________________________
                                                        >> From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                        >>To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 11:17 PM
                                                        >>Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                        >>
                                                        >>Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>Started the search with zeroing on two cars Ritz and Punto. Went to the showroom and test drove a Ritz vdi. I truly enjoyed the drive as there was no effort in driving the car. Turbo was kicking in at 1800-2000 RPM. However, another decision maker- my wife- who had nothing to do with driving experience was not impressed with OK interiors and unappealing exterior design. So we moved on to looking at Swift which had a waiting period of 2 months. Took sometime to think whether we really wanted to wait for that long for our car.
                                                        >>Meanwhile, I had already received 3-4 calls from Volkswagen representative who had been waiting for me since morning. I finally visited the showroom while crossing it to go for a test drive the Punto. Rear space looks cramped from outside but we sat comfortably. Though it was nowhere when compared to indica. Boot space is amazing. Drove the car for 6-8 kms and loved the way it was handling bad roads.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>Instant decision was made to book this one. Got 15k corporate discount which brought down the price to 6.22 lacs. I think its a gud deal for the german machine. Also, managed to get seat covers, floor mats and mud flaps.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>Adviser told me that the first service will be due after one year or 15k kms as the car uses synthetic oil. And road side assistance all over India. Expect the delivery on coming thursday if the loan is done on time.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>Finally, getting to sleep sound tonight. Thanks all for your great advises that assisted me in closing this flash red beauty.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>Regards
                                                        >>Abhay Singh
                                                        >>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                        >>
                                                        >>-----Original Message-----
                                                        >>From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                        >>Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 04:02:44
                                                        >>To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                        >>Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                        >>
                                                        >>Hi Abhay,
                                                        >>
                                                        >>No point buying the Dzire.
                                                        >>You will be disappointed with the cabin space of the Figo. Both the i20 & the Etios Liva have bigger cabins. Ford service is both disappointing & expensive.
                                                        >>I suggest you go for the Ritz Vdi, from your first short list. It is well within your budget, good to drive, returns 20 kmpl, trouble free.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>Drive safe,
                                                        >>Achin Juneja
                                                        >>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>--- In indica-users@yahoogroups.com, "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...> wrote:
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>> Hi folks
                                                        >>> I'm in great dilemma whether buying a outdated dezire would really make sense or not.
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>> I'm anyways stretching my budget to 6.5lacs and then spending 30k odd on accessories would take a toll on me. Hence, I'm thinking of going for a loaded Ford Figo as there is a huge waiting period on swift.
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>> Only dilemma is cost of ford service and I faintly remember Acin sir recommending against going for Figo.
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>> Just wanted groups suggestions on same.
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>> -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>> -----Original Message-----
                                                        >>> From: "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...>
                                                        >>> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:02:27
                                                        >>> To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                        >>> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>> Hi Dev
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one.  For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Thanks!
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Abhay Singh
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(
                                                        >>
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                                                        >>
                                                        >>> -----Original Message-----
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> From: Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:48:43
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Dev
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
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                                                        >>
                                                        >>> ________________________________
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>  From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> 
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Hi Achin sir
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Regards
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Abhay
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> -----Original Message-----
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Hi,
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> 3.Nissan Micra.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> 4.Skoda Fabia.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> My preference:
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Drive safe,
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> Achin Juneja
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>
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                                                        Thanks Dev! Waiting eagerly for the baby to come home! :-) Regards Abhay -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone ... From: Dev Abhishek
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                                                          Thanks Dev! Waiting eagerly for the baby to come home! :-)

                                                          Regards
                                                          Abhay
                                                          -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

                                                          -----Original Message-----
                                                          From: Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...>
                                                          Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:53:33
                                                          To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                          Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                                          Congrats! Yes, the VW is a great machine, even if with the 3 cylinder mill. I had helped a friend test drive the VW series of vehicles and raised the issue of the 3 cylinder mill with the sales personnel. They gave me a canned reply about some advanced balancer shafts and dampers, and the fact that even V6 engines do not have primary balance (technically correct)! But the engine seemed quiet enough and 3 cylinders means one fewer cylinder to rebuild after half a million kms that the engine will last you!

                                                          Take good care of the baby, it a product of great engineering and fantastic heritage. I hope it lives up to it for you.


                                                          Dev



                                                          ________________________________
                                                          From: abhay singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                          To: "indica-users@yahoogroups.com" <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                          Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 6:40 PM
                                                          Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA


                                                           
                                                          Sorry.... I meant Deepak

                                                          The loan is still under approval, but I'm expecting an EMI of approx. 10k per month on a loan of 4.95 lacs @ 11.75% pa from VW finance.
                                                           
                                                          Regards
                                                          Abhay Singh

                                                          >________________________________
                                                          > From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                          >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          >Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2012 6:33 PM
                                                          >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                          >
                                                          >Thanks Dev. I did feel a little noise at high speed but if I compare Polo with the like of ritz and figo, I would any day bet my money on this german machine. Moreover, interiors and exteriors were both suttle but boasted of a premium quality. Hence, settled for this one.
                                                          >
                                                          >Also, post my daughter's birth, I'm a relaxed driver who does not revv up most of times. Hence, this looked like a good buy.
                                                          >
                                                          >Thanks
                                                          >Abhay
                                                          >-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                          >
                                                          >-----Original Message-----
                                                          >From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
                                                          >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          >Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:35:49
                                                          >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                          >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                          >
                                                          >Hi Abhay,
                                                          >
                                                          >>Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the
                                                          >deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >Congratulations on booking Polo Trendline. This is no doubt a very good premium hatch, with sturdy built & superb interiors. However the TDi is a 3-pot mill & 3 cylinder engines are noisier compared to their 4 cylinder counterparts (NVH levels are on the higher side). Didn't you feel so on your test drive?
                                                          >
                                                          >Also how much loan are you taking & @ what ROI?
                                                          >

                                                          >Best Regards
                                                          >Deepak Umrankar
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >>________________________________
                                                          >> From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                          >>To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          >>Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 11:17 PM
                                                          >>Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                          >>
                                                          >>Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>Started the search with zeroing on two cars Ritz and Punto. Went to the showroom and test drove a Ritz vdi. I truly enjoyed the drive as there was no effort in driving the car. Turbo was kicking in at 1800-2000 RPM. However, another decision maker- my wife- who had nothing to do with driving experience was not impressed with OK interiors and unappealing exterior design. So we moved on to looking at Swift which had a waiting period of 2 months. Took sometime to think whether we really wanted to wait for that long for our car.
                                                          >>Meanwhile, I had already received 3-4 calls from Volkswagen representative who had been waiting for me since morning. I finally visited the showroom while crossing it to go for a test drive the Punto. Rear space looks cramped from outside but we sat comfortably. Though it was nowhere when compared to indica. Boot space is amazing. Drove the car for 6-8 kms and loved the way it was handling bad roads.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>Instant decision was made to book this one. Got 15k corporate discount which brought down the price to 6.22 lacs. I think its a gud deal for the german machine. Also, managed to get seat covers, floor mats and mud flaps.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>Adviser told me that the first service will be due after one year or 15k kms as the car uses synthetic oil. And road side assistance all over India. Expect the delivery on coming thursday if the loan is done on time.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>Finally, getting to sleep sound tonight. Thanks all for your great advises that assisted me in closing this flash red beauty.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>Regards
                                                          >>Abhay Singh
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                          >>
                                                          >>-----Original Message-----
                                                          >>From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                          >>Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          >>Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 04:02:44
                                                          >>To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                          >>Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          >>Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                          >>
                                                          >>Hi Abhay,
                                                          >>
                                                          >>No point buying the Dzire.
                                                          >>You will be disappointed with the cabin space of the Figo. Both the i20 & the Etios Liva have bigger cabins. Ford service is both disappointing & expensive.
                                                          >>I suggest you go for the Ritz Vdi, from your first short list. It is well within your budget, good to drive, returns 20 kmpl, trouble free.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>Drive safe,
                                                          >>Achin Juneja
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>--- In indica-users@yahoogroups.com, "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...> wrote:
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>> Hi folks
                                                          >>> I'm in great dilemma whether buying a outdated dezire would really make sense or not.
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>> I'm anyways stretching my budget to 6.5lacs and then spending 30k odd on accessories would take a toll on me. Hence, I'm thinking of going for a loaded Ford Figo as there is a huge waiting period on swift.
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>> Only dilemma is cost of ford service and I faintly remember Acin sir recommending against going for Figo.
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>> Just wanted groups suggestions on same.
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>> -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>> -----Original Message-----
                                                          >>> From: "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...>
                                                          >>> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          >>> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:02:27
                                                          >>> To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                          >>> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          >>> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>> Hi Dev
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one.  For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Thanks!
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Abhay Singh
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                          >>
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                                                          >>
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                                                          >>
                                                          >>> From: Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:48:43
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Dev
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> ________________________________
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>  From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> 
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Hi Achin sir
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Regards
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Abhay
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                          >>
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                                                          >>
                                                          >>> -----Original Message-----
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Hi,
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> 3.Nissan Micra.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> 4.Skoda Fabia.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> My preference:
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Drive safe,
                                                          >>
                                                          >>> Achin Juneja
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>
                                                          >>
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                                                          Sorry 1 quest Abhay and others. Why you ve not considered Skoda Fabia among the choice? ________________________________ From: Abhay Singh
                                                          Message 28 of 30 , Apr 8 11:17 PM
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                                                            Sorry 1 quest Abhay and others.
                                                            Why you've not considered Skoda Fabia among the choice?


                                                            ________________________________
                                                            From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                            To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 6:33 PM
                                                            Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                                            Thanks Dev. I did feel a little noise at high speed but if I compare Polo with the like of ritz and figo, I would any day bet my money on this german machine. Moreover, interiors and exteriors were both suttle but boasted of a premium quality. Hence, settled for this one.

                                                            Also, post my daughter's birth, I'm a relaxed driver who does not revv up most of times. Hence, this looked like a good buy.

                                                            Thanks
                                                            Abhay
                                                            -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

                                                            -----Original Message-----
                                                            From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
                                                            Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:35:49
                                                            To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                                            Hi Abhay,

                                                            >Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the
                                                            deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.


                                                            Congratulations on booking Polo Trendline. This is no doubt a very good premium hatch, with sturdy built & superb interiors. However the TDi is a 3-pot mill & 3 cylinder engines are noisier compared to their 4 cylinder counterparts (NVH levels are on the higher side). Didn't you feel so on your test drive?

                                                            Also how much loan are you taking & @ what ROI?

                                                             
                                                            Best Regards
                                                            Deepak Umrankar





                                                            >________________________________
                                                            > From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                            >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 11:17 PM
                                                            >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                            >
                                                            >Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.
                                                            >
                                                            >Started the search with zeroing on two cars Ritz and Punto. Went to the showroom and test drove a Ritz vdi. I truly enjoyed the drive as there was no effort in driving the car. Turbo was kicking in at 1800-2000 RPM. However, another decision maker- my wife- who had nothing to do with driving experience was not impressed with OK interiors and unappealing exterior design. So we moved on to looking at Swift which had a waiting period of 2 months. Took sometime to think whether we really wanted to wait for that long for our car.
                                                            >Meanwhile, I had already received 3-4 calls from Volkswagen representative who had been waiting for me since morning. I finally visited the showroom while crossing it to go for a test drive the Punto. Rear space looks cramped from outside but we sat comfortably. Though it was nowhere when compared to indica. Boot space is amazing. Drove the car for 6-8 kms and loved the way it was handling bad roads.
                                                            >
                                                            >Instant decision was made to book this one. Got 15k corporate discount which brought down the price to 6.22 lacs. I think its a gud deal for the german machine. Also, managed to get seat covers, floor mats and mud flaps.
                                                            >
                                                            >Adviser told me that the first service will be due after one year or 15k kms as the car uses synthetic oil. And road side assistance all over India. Expect the delivery on coming thursday if the loan is done on time.
                                                            >
                                                            >Finally, getting to sleep sound tonight. Thanks all for your great advises that assisted me in closing this flash red beauty.
                                                            >
                                                            >Regards
                                                            >Abhay Singh
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >-Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                            >
                                                            >-----Original Message-----
                                                            >From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                            >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 04:02:44
                                                            >To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                            >
                                                            >Hi Abhay,
                                                            >
                                                            >No point buying the Dzire.
                                                            >You will be disappointed with the cabin space of the Figo. Both the i20 & the Etios Liva have bigger cabins. Ford service is both disappointing & expensive.
                                                            >I suggest you go for the Ritz Vdi, from your first short list. It is well within your budget, good to drive, returns 20 kmpl, trouble free.
                                                            >
                                                            >Drive safe,
                                                            >Achin Juneja
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >--- In indica-users@yahoogroups.com, "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...> wrote:
                                                            >>
                                                            >> Hi folks
                                                            >> I'm in great dilemma whether buying a outdated dezire would really make sense or not.
                                                            >>
                                                            >> I'm anyways stretching my budget to 6.5lacs and then spending 30k odd on accessories would take a toll on me. Hence, I'm thinking of going for a loaded Ford Figo as there is a huge waiting period on swift.
                                                            >>
                                                            >> Only dilemma is cost of ford service and I faintly remember Acin sir recommending against going for Figo.
                                                            >>
                                                            >> Just wanted groups suggestions on same.
                                                            >>
                                                            >> -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                            >>
                                                            >> -----Original Message-----
                                                            >> From: "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...>
                                                            >> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:02:27
                                                            >> To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            >> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                            >>
                                                            >> Hi Dev
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.
                                                            >
                                                            >> Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one.  For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> Thanks!
                                                            >
                                                            >> Abhay Singh
                                                            >
                                                            >> Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(
                                                            >
                                                            >> -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> -----Original Message-----
                                                            >
                                                            >> From: Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...>
                                                            >
                                                            >> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >
                                                            >> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:48:43
                                                            >
                                                            >> To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            >
                                                            >> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >
                                                            >> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> Dev
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> ________________________________
                                                            >
                                                            >>  From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                            >
                                                            >> To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >
                                                            >> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM
                                                            >
                                                            >> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                            >
                                                            >> 
                                                            >
                                                            >> Hi Achin sir
                                                            >
                                                            >> Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> Regards
                                                            >
                                                            >> Abhay
                                                            >
                                                            >> -Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> -----Original Message-----
                                                            >
                                                            >> From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                            >
                                                            >> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >
                                                            >> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03
                                                            >
                                                            >> To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            >
                                                            >> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >
                                                            >> Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> Hi,
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                                                            >
                                                            >> Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                            >
                                                            >> 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                            >
                                                            >> 3.Nissan Micra.
                                                            >
                                                            >> 4.Skoda Fabia.
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> My preference:
                                                            >
                                                            >> 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                            >
                                                            >> 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                            >
                                                            >>
                                                            >
                                                            >> Drive safe,
                                                            >
                                                            >> Achin Juneja
                                                            >
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                                                            Hi Mr. Dutta Scoda Fabia s base version does not have the features available in the polo treadline. Some basic features like power windows are available in the
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                                                              Hi Mr. Dutta

                                                              Scoda Fabia's base version does not have the features available in the polo treadline. Some basic features like power windows are available in the variant that is 50k higher in cost. Plus the looks of polo are much better than a fabia.
                                                              Hence, opted for this one.
                                                              Regards
                                                              Abhay
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                                                              -----Original Message-----
                                                              From: Shiv Shankar Datta <ssdatta@...>
                                                              Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                              Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 23:17:08
                                                              To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                              Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                              Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                                              Sorry 1 quest Abhay and others.
                                                              Why you've not considered Skoda Fabia among the choice?


                                                              ________________________________
                                                              From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                              To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                              Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 6:33 PM
                                                              Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                                              Thanks Dev. I did feel a little noise at high speed but if I compare Polo with the like of ritz and figo, I would any day bet my money on this german machine. Moreover, interiors and exteriors were both suttle but boasted of a premium quality. Hence, settled for this one.

                                                              Also, post my daughter's birth, I'm a relaxed driver who does not revv up most of times. Hence, this looked like a good buy.

                                                              Thanks
                                                              Abhay
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                                                              -----Original Message-----
                                                              From: Deepak R Umrankar <deepak_umrankar@...>
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                                                              Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 05:35:49
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                                                              Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA

                                                              Hi Abhay,

                                                              >Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the
                                                              deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.


                                                              Congratulations on booking Polo Trendline. This is no doubt a very good premium hatch, with sturdy built & superb interiors. However the TDi is a 3-pot mill & 3 cylinder engines are noisier compared to their 4 cylinder counterparts (NVH levels are on the higher side). Didn't you feel so on your test drive?

                                                              Also how much loan are you taking & @ what ROI?


                                                              Best Regards
                                                              Deepak Umrankar





                                                              >________________________________
                                                              > From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                              >To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                              >Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 11:17 PM
                                                              >Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
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                                                              >Thank you Achin sir and Himanshu for the review. I finally closed the deal today. Booked a Polo treadline after making up mind for Swift VDI.
                                                              >
                                                              >Started the search with zeroing on two cars Ritz and Punto. Went to the showroom and test drove a Ritz vdi. I truly enjoyed the drive as there was no effort in driving the car. Turbo was kicking in at 1800-2000 RPM. However, another decision maker- my wife- who had nothing to do with driving experience was not impressed with OK interiors and unappealing exterior design. So we moved on to looking at Swift which had a waiting period of 2 months. Took sometime to think whether we really wanted to wait for that long for our car.
                                                              >Meanwhile, I had already received 3-4 calls from Volkswagen representative who had been waiting for me since morning. I finally visited the showroom while crossing it to go for a test drive the Punto. Rear space looks cramped from outside but we sat comfortably. Though it was nowhere when compared to indica. Boot space is amazing. Drove the car for 6-8 kms and loved the way it was handling bad roads.
                                                              >
                                                              >Instant decision was made to book this one. Got 15k corporate discount which brought down the price to 6.22 lacs. I think its a gud deal for the german machine. Also, managed to get seat covers, floor mats and mud flaps.
                                                              >
                                                              >Adviser told me that the first service will be due after one year or 15k kms as the car uses synthetic oil. And road side assistance all over India. Expect the delivery on coming thursday if the loan is done on time.
                                                              >
                                                              >Finally, getting to sleep sound tonight. Thanks all for your great advises that assisted me in closing this flash red beauty.
                                                              >
                                                              >Regards
                                                              >Abhay Singh
                                                              >
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                                                              >-----Original Message-----
                                                              >From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                              >Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                              >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 04:02:44
                                                              >To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                              >Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                              >Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                              >
                                                              >Hi Abhay,
                                                              >
                                                              >No point buying the Dzire.
                                                              >You will be disappointed with the cabin space of the Figo. Both the i20 & the Etios Liva have bigger cabins. Ford service is both disappointing & expensive.
                                                              >I suggest you go for the Ritz Vdi, from your first short list. It is well within your budget, good to drive, returns 20 kmpl, trouble free.
                                                              >
                                                              >Drive safe,
                                                              >Achin Juneja
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                                                              >
                                                              >--- In indica-users@yahoogroups.com, "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...> wrote:
                                                              >>
                                                              >> Hi folks
                                                              >> I'm in great dilemma whether buying a outdated dezire would really make sense or not.
                                                              >>
                                                              >> I'm anyways stretching my budget to 6.5lacs and then spending 30k odd on accessories would take a toll on me. Hence, I'm thinking of going for a loaded Ford Figo as there is a huge waiting period on swift.
                                                              >>
                                                              >> Only dilemma is cost of ford service and I faintly remember Acin sir recommending against going for Figo.
                                                              >>
                                                              >> Just wanted groups suggestions on same.
                                                              >>
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                                                              >> -----Original Message-----
                                                              >> From: "Abhay Singh" <abhay_911@...>
                                                              >> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                              >> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:02:27
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                                                              >> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                              >> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                              >>
                                                              >> Hi Dev
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> Did consider ur recommendations today and visited a number of showrooms. Test drove a Liva, saw Polo, Figo and i20 along with Swift.
                                                              >
                                                              >> Liva was not bad to drive but the quality of material used shows the cost cutting. You open and shut the boot and u will hear the sound that is there in an alto or 800. Interiors are very cheap. All in all I didn't find it sturdy.
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> Polo is good from inside as well as outside. With 3 cylinder engine, not the quicker one in pickup. Back seat is very cramped and can fit only person with below 5.7" height. Its coming in my budget too...
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> i20 looks awesome. Loaded with features. The only difference between old version and new one is the cosmetic changes in head lamps and some inside aswell. But the price is huge. 7.15lacs for magna option.
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> Went to maruti lounge where minimum waiting period is two months for swift and four months for dezire. However, I saw an old dezire ldi there which is "tour" model. For travel agencies. Only difference I could see was black bumpers and ORVMs which the adviser told me would cost 10k to paint. Now, I'm really looking to put my money on this one.� For 6.5 lacs, it looks like the VFM deal.
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> Need advise from the group if there is any other area where the normal ldi would be different from "tour" version.
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> Thanks!
                                                              >
                                                              >> Abhay Singh
                                                              >
                                                              >> Feels bad that I'm not able to put my Xeta's description in signatures :(
                                                              >
                                                              >> -Sent on my BlackBerry� from Vodafone
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                                                              >> -----Original Message-----
                                                              >
                                                              >> From: Dev Abhishek <devabhishek@...>
                                                              >
                                                              >> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                              >
                                                              >> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:48:43
                                                              >
                                                              >> To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com<indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
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                                                              >> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                              >
                                                              >> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> How about the vehicles from VW and Nissan? Are they completely out of this price band? The fuel pricing issue may well toss up surprises over the next few years. If I am not mistaken, a couple of states has already dropped prices on Petrol, and there serious chatter in policy circles about decontrol of diesel pricing. If market are allowed to determine the price and a tax imposed based on either energy units of CO2 output, we may see the two fuels approaching pricing partiy. Any advantage then would be limited only in better FE, more pronounced for larger vehicles.
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                                                              >> Dev
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                                                              >>� From: Abhay Singh <abhay_911@...>
                                                              >
                                                              >> To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                              >
                                                              >> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:59 AM
                                                              >
                                                              >> Subject: Re: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
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                                                              >>�
                                                              >
                                                              >> Hi Achin sir
                                                              >
                                                              >> Thanks for your suggestion. I would also prefer an i20 over other cars. However, it's base version starts from 6 lacs+ which is little out of budget. I shall take a test drive of Liva, ritz and other cars in next three days to finalize one of them.
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> I'm yet to receive money from the seller. Fingers crossed :-)
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> Regards
                                                              >
                                                              >> Abhay
                                                              >
                                                              >> -Sent on my BlackBerry� from Vodafone
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                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> -----Original Message-----
                                                              >
                                                              >> From: "Achin Juneja" <achinjuneja@...>
                                                              >
                                                              >> Sender: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
                                                              >
                                                              >> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:25:03
                                                              >
                                                              >> To: <indica-users@yahoogroups.com>
                                                              >
                                                              >> Reply-To: indica-users@yahoogroups.com
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                                                              >> Subject: [indica-users] Re: Is it a gud idea to buy previous years car from TATA
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> Hi,
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> > Have narrowed my search on 3 new diesel models - FIGO, PUNTO and RITZ... all between 5.5-5.6 lacs ex showroom. Any suggestions for the new cars will be much appreciable...
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> The Punto is serviced by Tata, which means the same old problems...
                                                              >
                                                              >> Additionally, following diesel cars too fall in the range 5.5 - 6 lakhs.
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                              >
                                                              >> 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                              >
                                                              >> 3.Nissan Micra.
                                                              >
                                                              >> 4.Skoda Fabia.
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> My preference:
                                                              >
                                                              >> 1.Hyundai i20.
                                                              >
                                                              >> 2.Toyota Etios Liva GD.
                                                              >
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >> Drive safe,
                                                              >
                                                              >> Achin Juneja
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                                                              >>
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