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  • jaerdaph
    Very nice! jaerdaph
    Message 1 of 27 , Jan 29, 2012
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      Very nice!

      jaerdaph

      --- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, Soylent Green <gsoylent@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > Okay, I spent a bit of time on this. Discovered one villain team mentioned in the Villainomicon (the Freedom Four), stuck with John's Exhuman team which for me works really well and had a stab a grouping some of the rest, including some from the main Icons book. It's still first cut so any feedback is welcome.
      > The Crime-Team
      >
      > Theme: If you
      > have a crime to commit, if no one else can help, and if you can afford them,
      > maybe you can hire... The Crime-Team.
      >
      > Incognito
      >
      > Copy Cat
      >
      > Speedsaw
      >
      > Smith
      >
      > Sock Puppet
      >
      >
      >
      > The Brian Trust
      >
      > Theme: Mad
      > scientists looking to fund their research
      >
      > Zero
      >
      > Creeper
      >
      > Downsizer
      >
      >
      >
      > Apex
      >
      > Theme: Professor Hominid's
      > team high achievers
      >
      > Professor Hominid (behind
      > the scenes)
      >
      > Beastman
      >
      > Warbride
      >
      > Sigma-9
      >
      >
      >
      > Kaos Factor
      >
      > Theme: Glamorous crooks (with
      > Recluse for contrast)
      >
      > Fox
      >
      > Recluse (or Troll)
      >
      > Speed Demon
      >
      > Blonde Bombshell
      >
      >
      >
      > Exhumans (from
      > John McMullen post)
      >
      > Theme: villians
      > who are not quite human
      >
      > Rorek
      >
      > Tarpit
      >
      > Ultra-Mind
      >
      > Wraith
      >
      >
      >
      > Freedom Four (from Black Flame's bio in the Villainomicon )
      >
      > Theme: Politically aware, anti-establishment villains
      >
      > Arobas
      >
      > Pulsar
      >
      > Black Flame
      >
      > Baron Kriminel
      >
    • John McMullen
      Very nice!   In the back of my mind I have a theme--gadget-using villains who can t maintain them. In my head, they meet one another as they re passing to or
      Message 2 of 27 , Feb 1, 2012
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        Very nice!
         
        In the back of my mind I have a theme--gadget-using villains who can't maintain them. In my head, they meet one another as they're passing to or from Smith's current lair, and decide they can work together and form a group...so long as Smith gets a cut of the profits to be on retainer. But I haven't done any serious looking at characters.
         
        I very much like the Crime-Team as a group that the players could meet, and it's good to give Incognito some love.
         
        The Brain Trust (that's what you mean instead of Brian Trust, right?) also strikes me as having a nice theme for generating crimes.
         
        Apex I have some trouble with: I have a problem believing they'd work together, but the right backstory can overcome that. What's Professor Hominid's plan/technique for getting them together?
         
        Kaos Factor I like better with Recluse, and Speed Demon trying to make time with both Fox and Blonde Bombshell.
         
        Again--very nice!
         
        John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
        From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
        To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:38 PM
        Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



        Okay, I spent a bit of time on this. Discovered one villain team mentioned in the Villainomicon (the Freedom Four), stuck with John's Exhuman team which for me works really well and had a stab a grouping some of the rest, including some from the main Icons book. It's still first cut so any feedback is welcome.

        The Crime-Team
        Theme: If you have a crime to commit, if no one else can help, and if you can afford them, maybe you can hire... The Crime-Team.
        Incognito
        Copy Cat
        Speedsaw
        Smith
        Sock Puppet
         
        The Brian Trust
        Theme: Mad scientists looking to fund their research
        Zero
        Creeper
        Downsizer
         
        Apex
        Theme: Professor Hominid's team high achievers
        Professor Hominid (behind the scenes)
        Beastman
        Warbride
        Sigma-9
         
        Kaos Factor
        Theme: Glamorous crooks (with Recluse for contrast)
        Fox
        Recluse (or Troll)
        Speed Demon
        Blonde Bombshell
         
        Exhumans (from John McMullen post)
        Theme: villians who are not quite human
        Rorek
        Tarpit
        Ultra-Mind
        Wraith
         
        Freedom Four (from Black Flame's bio in the Villainomicon )
        Theme: Politically aware, anti-establishment villains
        Arobas
        Pulsar
        Black Flame
        Baron Kriminel
         




      • Soylent Green
        I was a little torn regarding the Crime-Team in so far that there may be a little too much overlap between Incognito and Copy Cat. Also the team seems to be
        Message 3 of 27 , Feb 1, 2012
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          I was a little torn regarding the Crime-Team in so far that there may be a little too much overlap between Incognito and Copy Cat. Also the team seems to be missing a real leader figure.  I could see the Merry Widow as potentially a better fit than Copy Cat but the simple truth is I don't care for the character very much. 
           
          The link between the Apex members is that they all have a bit of a Nietzschean thing, or atleast in the more pop use of the term. Whether they would actually managed to stick together I don't know, but then what supervillain does.

          To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
          From: jhmcmullen@...
          Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:43:27 -0800
          Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

           
          Very nice!
           
          In the back of my mind I have a theme--gadget-using villains who can't maintain them. In my head, they meet one another as they're passing to or from Smith's current lair, and decide they can work together and form a group...so long as Smith gets a cut of the profits to be on retainer. But I haven't done any serious looking at characters.
           
          I very much like the Crime-Team as a group that the players could meet, and it's good to give Incognito some love.
           
          The Brain Trust (that's what you mean instead of Brian Trust, right?) also strikes me as having a nice theme for generating crimes.
           
          Apex I have some trouble with: I have a problem believing they'd work together, but the right backstory can overcome that. What's Professor Hominid's plan/technique for getting them together?
           
          Kaos Factor I like better with Recluse, and Speed Demon trying to make time with both Fox and Blonde Bombshell.
           
          Again--very nice!
           
          John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
          From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
          To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:38 PM
          Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



          Okay, I spent a bit of time on this. Discovered one villain team mentioned in the Villainomicon (the Freedom Four), stuck with John's Exhuman team which for me works really well and had a stab a grouping some of the rest, including some from the main Icons book. It's still first cut so any feedback is welcome.

          The Crime-Team
          Theme: If you have a crime to commit, if no one else can help, and if you can afford them, maybe you can hire... The Crime-Team.
          Incognito
          Copy Cat
          Speedsaw
          Smith
          Sock Puppet
           
          The Brian Trust
          Theme: Mad scientists looking to fund their research
          Zero
          Creeper
          Downsizer
           
          Apex
          Theme: Professor Hominid's team high achievers
          Professor Hominid (behind the scenes)
          Beastman
          Warbride
          Sigma-9
           
          Kaos Factor
          Theme: Glamorous crooks (with Recluse for contrast)
          Fox
          Recluse (or Troll)
          Speed Demon
          Blonde Bombshell
           
          Exhumans (from John McMullen post)
          Theme: villians who are not quite human
          Rorek
          Tarpit
          Ultra-Mind
          Wraith
           
          Freedom Four (from Black Flame's bio in the Villainomicon )
          Theme: Politically aware, anti-establishment villains
          Arobas
          Pulsar
          Black Flame
          Baron Kriminel
           





        • John McMullen
          Maybe Apex is one of those teams that shows up once or twice to menace the heroes and then falls apart...only to have each member reconstitute it with himself
          Message 4 of 27 , Feb 1, 2012
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            Maybe Apex is one of those teams that shows up once or twice to menace the heroes and then falls apart...only to have each member reconstitute it with himself or herself as the lead, and then the players have to contain the propert damage as the versions of the team slug it out!
             
            And Professor Hominid foresaw this and set it up, getting the idea from the Mastermind Affair.... (Because, when you're immortal, there's almost nothing you won't do for self-sustaining entertainment. "I have been staked out in the Serengheti desert for a decade, without food or water. It took me another century, weakened as I was, to crawl to civilization and another century to rebuild my empire.  I have used the resources of my mind. This....this is better than cable. By far. I have started two dozen of these experiments and watch each come to messy fruition. Would you like a fruit pie?")
             
            John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
            From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
            To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:55 AM
            Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



            I was a little torn regarding the Crime-Team in so far that there may be a little too much overlap between Incognito and Copy Cat. Also the team seems to be missing a real leader figure.  I could see the Merry Widow as potentially a better fit than Copy Cat but the simple truth is I don't care for the character very much. 
             
            The link between the Apex members is that they all have a bit of a Nietzschean thing, or atleast in the more pop use of the term. Whether they would actually managed to stick together I don't know, but then what supervillain does.
            To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
            From: jhmcmullen@...
            Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:43:27 -0800
            Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

             
            Very nice!
             
            In the back of my mind I have a theme--gadget-using villains who can't maintain them. In my head, they meet one another as they're passing to or from Smith's current lair, and decide they can work together and form a group...so long as Smith gets a cut of the profits to be on retainer. But I haven't done any serious looking at characters.
             
            I very much like the Crime-Team as a group that the players could meet, and it's good to give Incognito some love.
             
            The Brain Trust (that's what you mean instead of Brian Trust, right?) also strikes me as having a nice theme for generating crimes.
             
            Apex I have some trouble with: I have a problem believing they'd work together, but the right backstory can overcome that. What's Professor Hominid's plan/technique for getting them together?
             
            Kaos Factor I like better with Recluse, and Speed Demon trying to make time with both Fox and Blonde Bombshell.
             
            Again--very nice!
             
            John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
            From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
            To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:38 PM
            Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



            Okay, I spent a bit of time on this. Discovered one villain team mentioned in the Villainomicon (the Freedom Four), stuck with John's Exhuman team which for me works really well and had a stab a grouping some of the rest, including some from the main Icons book. It's still first cut so any feedback is welcome.

            The Crime-Team
            Theme: If you have a crime to commit, if no one else can help, and if you can afford them, maybe you can hire... The Crime-Team.
            Incognito
            Copy Cat
            Speedsaw
            Smith
            Sock Puppet
             
            The Brian Trust
            Theme: Mad scientists looking to fund their research
            Zero
            Creeper
            Downsizer
             
            Apex
            Theme: Professor Hominid's team high achievers
            Professor Hominid (behind the scenes)
            Beastman
            Warbride
            Sigma-9
             
            Kaos Factor
            Theme: Glamorous crooks (with Recluse for contrast)
            Fox
            Recluse (or Troll)
            Speed Demon
            Blonde Bombshell
             
            Exhumans (from John McMullen post)
            Theme: villians who are not quite human
            Rorek
            Tarpit
            Ultra-Mind
            Wraith
             
            Freedom Four (from Black Flame's bio in the Villainomicon )
            Theme: Politically aware, anti-establishment villains
            Arobas
            Pulsar
            Black Flame
            Baron Kriminel
             









          • John McMullen
            In my mind, Copy Cat is overt: she takes over the abilities of a person and enjoys being as good as they are.   Incognito is about subterfuge. He might be a
            Message 5 of 27 , Feb 1, 2012
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              In my mind, Copy Cat is overt: she takes over the abilities of a person and enjoys being as good as they are.
               
              Incognito is about subterfuge. He might be a leader at home, but in the field, it's Copy Cat. She's got a power that pretty much calls for her to think on her feet and adjust to changing abilities and conditions.
               
              A possibility is to have someone else (Professor Hominid again?) fund them as a cash-making scheme. Kind of like Charlie's Angels: they only know him as an electronic voice on the line.
               
              I also think that Sigma-9 and Skeletron could join up, one handling the overt confrontation and one handling the subtle one.
               
              John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
              From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
              To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:55 AM
              Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



              I was a little torn regarding the Crime-Team in so far that there may be a little too much overlap between Incognito and Copy Cat. Also the team seems to be missing a real leader figure.  I could see the Merry Widow as potentially a better fit than Copy Cat but the simple truth is I don't care for the character very much. 
               
              The link between the Apex members is that they all have a bit of a Nietzschean thing, or atleast in the more pop use of the term. Whether they would actually managed to stick together I don't know, but then what supervillain does.
              To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
              From: jhmcmullen@...
              Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:43:27 -0800
              Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

               
              Very nice!
               
              In the back of my mind I have a theme--gadget-using villains who can't maintain them. In my head, they meet one another as they're passing to or from Smith's current lair, and decide they can work together and form a group...so long as Smith gets a cut of the profits to be on retainer. But I haven't done any serious looking at characters.
               
              I very much like the Crime-Team as a group that the players could meet, and it's good to give Incognito some love.
               
              The Brain Trust (that's what you mean instead of Brian Trust, right?) also strikes me as having a nice theme for generating crimes.
               
              Apex I have some trouble with: I have a problem believing they'd work together, but the right backstory can overcome that. What's Professor Hominid's plan/technique for getting them together?
               
              Kaos Factor I like better with Recluse, and Speed Demon trying to make time with both Fox and Blonde Bombshell.
               
              Again--very nice!
               
              John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
              From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
              To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:38 PM
              Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



              Okay, I spent a bit of time on this. Discovered one villain team mentioned in the Villainomicon (the Freedom Four), stuck with John's Exhuman team which for me works really well and had a stab a grouping some of the rest, including some from the main Icons book. It's still first cut so any feedback is welcome.

              The Crime-Team
              Theme: If you have a crime to commit, if no one else can help, and if you can afford them, maybe you can hire... The Crime-Team.
              Incognito
              Copy Cat
              Speedsaw
              Smith
              Sock Puppet
               
              The Brian Trust
              Theme: Mad scientists looking to fund their research
              Zero
              Creeper
              Downsizer
               
              Apex
              Theme: Professor Hominid's team high achievers
              Professor Hominid (behind the scenes)
              Beastman
              Warbride
              Sigma-9
               
              Kaos Factor
              Theme: Glamorous crooks (with Recluse for contrast)
              Fox
              Recluse (or Troll)
              Speed Demon
              Blonde Bombshell
               
              Exhumans (from John McMullen post)
              Theme: villians who are not quite human
              Rorek
              Tarpit
              Ultra-Mind
              Wraith
               
              Freedom Four (from Black Flame's bio in the Villainomicon )
              Theme: Politically aware, anti-establishment villains
              Arobas
              Pulsar
              Black Flame
              Baron Kriminel
               









            • Seamus
              This is pretty cool. Much like Spider-Man s Sinister Six, who always had organizational troubles.
              Message 6 of 27 , Feb 1, 2012
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                This is pretty cool. Much like Spider-Man's Sinister Six, who always had organizational troubles.

                --- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, John McMullen <jhmcmullen@...> wrote:
                >
                > Maybe Apex is one of those teams that shows up once or twice to menace the heroes and then falls apart...only to have each member reconstitute it with himself or herself as the lead, and then the players have to contain the propert damage as the versions of the team slug it out!
                >  
                > And Professor Hominid foresaw this and set it up, getting the idea from the Mastermind Affair.... (Because, when you're immortal, there's almost nothing you won't do for self-sustaining entertainment. "I have been staked out in the Serengheti desert for a decade, without food or water. It took me another century, weakened as I was, to crawl to civilization and another century to rebuild my empire.  I have used the resources of my mind. This....this is better than cable. By far. I have started two dozen of these experiments and watch each come to messy fruition. Would you like a fruit pie?")
                >
                > John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                > To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:55 AM
                > Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > I was a little torn regarding the Crime-Team in so far that there may be a little too much overlap between Incognito and Copy Cat. Also the team seems to be missing a real leader figure.  I could see the Merry Widow as potentially a better fit than Copy Cat but the simple truth is I don't care for the character very much. 
                >  
                > The link between the Apex members is that they all have a bit of a Nietzschean thing, or atleast in the more pop use of the term. Whether they would actually managed to stick together I don't know, but then what supervillain does.
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                > From: jhmcmullen@...
                > Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:43:27 -0800
                > Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams
                >
                >  
                > Very nice!
                >  
                > In the back of my mind I have a theme--gadget-using villains who can't maintain them. In my head, they meet one another as they're passing to or from Smith's current lair, and decide they can work together and form a group...so long as Smith gets a cut of the profits to be on retainer. But I haven't done any serious looking at characters.
                >  
                > I very much like the Crime-Team as a group that the players could meet, and it's good to give Incognito some love.
                >  
                > The Brain Trust (that's what you mean instead of Brian Trust, right?) also strikes me as having a nice theme for generating crimes.
                >  
                > Apex I have some trouble with: I have a problem believing they'd work together, but the right backstory can overcome that. What's Professor Hominid's plan/technique for getting them together?
                >  
                > Kaos Factor I like better with Recluse, and Speed Demon trying to make time with both Fox and Blonde Bombshell.
                >  
                > Again--very nice!
                >
                > John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                > To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:38 PM
                > Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Okay, I spent a bit of time on this. Discovered one villain team mentioned in the Villainomicon (the Freedom Four), stuck with John's Exhuman team which for me works really well and had a stab a grouping some of the rest, including some from the main Icons book. It's still first cut so any feedback is welcome.
                >
                > The Crime-Team
                > Theme: If you have a crime to commit, if no one else can help, and if you can afford them, maybe you can hire... The Crime-Team.
                > Incognito
                > Copy Cat
                > Speedsaw
                > Smith
                > Sock Puppet
                >  
                > The Brian Trust
                > Theme: Mad scientists looking to fund their research
                > Zero
                > Creeper
                > Downsizer
                >  
                > Apex
                > Theme: Professor Hominid's team high achievers
                > Professor Hominid (behind the scenes)
                > Beastman
                > Warbride
                > Sigma-9
                >  
                > Kaos Factor
                > Theme: Glamorous crooks (with Recluse for contrast)
                > Fox
                > Recluse (or Troll)
                > Speed Demon
                > Blonde Bombshell
                >  
                > Exhumans (from John McMullen post)
                > Theme: villians who are not quite human
                > Rorek
                > Tarpit
                > Ultra-Mind
                > Wraith
                >
                > Freedom Four (from Black Flame's bio in the Villainomicon )
                > Theme: Politically aware, anti-establishment villains
                > Arobas
                > Pulsar
                > Black Flame
                > Baron Kriminel
                >  
                >
              • Soylent Green
                Mostly I m thinking you d need someone with the sort of leadership skills to keep Sock Puppet in line and be the Hannibal Smith role. If I were to use the
                Message 7 of 27 , Feb 1, 2012
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                  Mostly I'm thinking you'd need someone with the sort of leadership skills to keep Sock Puppet in line and be the Hannibal Smith role. If I were to use the Crime-Team in one game I'd be tempted to just bump up Copy Cat's Intellect and Willpower just a tad be done with it.

                  Of course, for the purposes of this thread, that's would be highly improper :-) 


                  To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                  From: jhmcmullen@...
                  Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:45:15 -0800
                  Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

                   

                  In my mind, Copy Cat is overt: she takes over the abilities of a person and enjoys being as good as they are.
                   
                  Incognito is about subterfuge. He might be a leader at home, but in the field, it's Copy Cat. She's got a power that pretty much calls for her to think on her feet and adjust to changing abilities and conditions.
                   
                  A possibility is to have someone else (Professor Hominid again?) fund them as a cash-making scheme. Kind of like Charlie's Angels: they only know him as an electronic voice on the line.
                   
                  I also think that Sigma-9 and Skeletron could join up, one handling the overt confrontation and one handling the subtle one.
                   
                  John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                  From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                  To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:55 AM
                  Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                  I was a little torn regarding the Crime-Team in so far that there may be a little too much overlap between Incognito and Copy Cat. Also the team seems to be missing a real leader figure.  I could see the Merry Widow as potentially a better fit than Copy Cat but the simple truth is I don't care for the character very much. 
                   
                  The link between the Apex members is that they all have a bit of a Nietzschean thing, or atleast in the more pop use of the term. Whether they would actually managed to stick together I don't know, but then what supervillain does.
                  To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                  From: jhmcmullen@...
                  Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:43:27 -0800
                  Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

                   
                  Very nice!
                   
                  In the back of my mind I have a theme--gadget-using villains who can't maintain them. In my head, they meet one another as they're passing to or from Smith's current lair, and decide they can work together and form a group...so long as Smith gets a cut of the profits to be on retainer. But I haven't done any serious looking at characters.
                   
                  I very much like the Crime-Team as a group that the players could meet, and it's good to give Incognito some love.
                   
                  The Brain Trust (that's what you mean instead of Brian Trust, right?) also strikes me as having a nice theme for generating crimes.
                   
                  Apex I have some trouble with: I have a problem believing they'd work together, but the right backstory can overcome that. What's Professor Hominid's plan/technique for getting them together?
                   
                  Kaos Factor I like better with Recluse, and Speed Demon trying to make time with both Fox and Blonde Bombshell.
                   
                  Again--very nice!
                   
                  John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                  From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                  To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:38 PM
                  Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                  Okay, I spent a bit of time on this. Discovered one villain team mentioned in the Villainomicon (the Freedom Four), stuck with John's Exhuman team which for me works really well and had a stab a grouping some of the rest, including some from the main Icons book. It's still first cut so any feedback is welcome.

                  The Crime-Team
                  Theme: If you have a crime to commit, if no one else can help, and if you can afford them, maybe you can hire... The Crime-Team.
                  Incognito
                  Copy Cat
                  Speedsaw
                  Smith
                  Sock Puppet
                   
                  The Brian Trust
                  Theme: Mad scientists looking to fund their research
                  Zero
                  Creeper
                  Downsizer
                   
                  Apex
                  Theme: Professor Hominid's team high achievers
                  Professor Hominid (behind the scenes)
                  Beastman
                  Warbride
                  Sigma-9
                   
                  Kaos Factor
                  Theme: Glamorous crooks (with Recluse for contrast)
                  Fox
                  Recluse (or Troll)
                  Speed Demon
                  Blonde Bombshell
                   
                  Exhumans (from John McMullen post)
                  Theme: villians who are not quite human
                  Rorek
                  Tarpit
                  Ultra-Mind
                  Wraith
                   
                  Freedom Four (from Black Flame's bio in the Villainomicon )
                  Theme: Politically aware, anti-establishment villains
                  Arobas
                  Pulsar
                  Black Flame
                  Baron Kriminel
                   










                • John McMullen
                  Possibly a separate thread--maybe Villain Teams --but would anyone object if I posted a homemade group of characters intended to act as a team?   This could
                  Message 8 of 27 , Feb 3, 2012
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                    Possibly a separate thread--maybe "Villain Teams"--but would anyone object if I posted a homemade group of characters intended to act as a team?
                     
                    This could also go on the wiki, but I'm looking for some quicker and more direct feedback than that.
                     
                    John
                     
                    John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                    From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                    To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 2:13 PM
                    Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                    Mostly I'm thinking you'd need someone with the sort of leadership skills to keep Sock Puppet in line and be the Hannibal Smith role. If I were to use the Crime-Team in one game I'd be tempted to just bump up Copy Cat's Intellect and Willpower just a tad be done with it.

                    Of course, for the purposes of this thread, that's would be highly improper :-) 

                    To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                    From: jhmcmullen@...
                    Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:45:15 -0800
                    Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

                     

                    In my mind, Copy Cat is overt: she takes over the abilities of a person and enjoys being as good as they are.
                     
                    Incognito is about subterfuge. He might be a leader at home, but in the field, it's Copy Cat. She's got a power that pretty much calls for her to think on her feet and adjust to changing abilities and conditions.
                     
                    A possibility is to have someone else (Professor Hominid again?) fund them as a cash-making scheme. Kind of like Charlie's Angels: they only know him as an electronic voice on the line.
                     
                    I also think that Sigma-9 and Skeletron could join up, one handling the overt confrontation and one handling the subtle one.
                     
                    John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                    From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                    To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:55 AM
                    Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                    I was a little torn regarding the Crime-Team in so far that there may be a little too much overlap between Incognito and Copy Cat. Also the team seems to be missing a real leader figure.  I could see the Merry Widow as potentially a better fit than Copy Cat but the simple truth is I don't care for the character very much. 
                     
                    The link between the Apex members is that they all have a bit of a Nietzschean thing, or atleast in the more pop use of the term. Whether they would actually managed to stick together I don't know, but then what supervillain does.
                    To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                    From: jhmcmullen@...
                    Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:43:27 -0800
                    Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

                     
                    Very nice!
                     
                    In the back of my mind I have a theme--gadget-using villains who can't maintain them. In my head, they meet one another as they're passing to or from Smith's current lair, and decide they can work together and form a group...so long as Smith gets a cut of the profits to be on retainer. But I haven't done any serious looking at characters.
                     
                    I very much like the Crime-Team as a group that the players could meet, and it's good to give Incognito some love.
                     
                    The Brain Trust (that's what you mean instead of Brian Trust, right?) also strikes me as having a nice theme for generating crimes.
                     
                    Apex I have some trouble with: I have a problem believing they'd work together, but the right backstory can overcome that. What's Professor Hominid's plan/technique for getting them together?
                     
                    Kaos Factor I like better with Recluse, and Speed Demon trying to make time with both Fox and Blonde Bombshell.
                     
                    Again--very nice!
                     
                    John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                    From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                    To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:38 PM
                    Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                    Okay, I spent a bit of time on this. Discovered one villain team mentioned in the Villainomicon (the Freedom Four), stuck with John's Exhuman team which for me works really well and had a stab a grouping some of the rest, including some from the main Icons book. It's still first cut so any feedback is welcome.

                    The Crime-Team
                    Theme: If you have a crime to commit, if no one else can help, and if you can afford them, maybe you can hire... The Crime-Team.
                    Incognito
                    Copy Cat
                    Speedsaw
                    Smith
                    Sock Puppet
                     
                    The Brian Trust
                    Theme: Mad scientists looking to fund their research
                    Zero
                    Creeper
                    Downsizer
                     
                    Apex
                    Theme: Professor Hominid's team high achievers
                    Professor Hominid (behind the scenes)
                    Beastman
                    Warbride
                    Sigma-9
                     
                    Kaos Factor
                    Theme: Glamorous crooks (with Recluse for contrast)
                    Fox
                    Recluse (or Troll)
                    Speed Demon
                    Blonde Bombshell
                     
                    Exhumans (from John McMullen post)
                    Theme: villians who are not quite human
                    Rorek
                    Tarpit
                    Ultra-Mind
                    Wraith
                     
                    Freedom Four (from Black Flame's bio in the Villainomicon )
                    Theme: Politically aware, anti-establishment villains
                    Arobas
                    Pulsar
                    Black Flame
                    Baron Kriminel
                     














                  • Soylent Green
                    Object? I look forward to it! To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com From: jhmcmullen@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:15:25 -0800 Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re:
                    Message 9 of 27 , Feb 3, 2012
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                      Object? I look forward to it!



                      To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                      From: jhmcmullen@...
                      Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:15:25 -0800
                      Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

                       

                      Possibly a separate thread--maybe "Villain Teams"--but would anyone object if I posted a homemade group of characters intended to act as a team?
                       
                      This could also go on the wiki, but I'm looking for some quicker and more direct feedback than that.
                       
                      John
                       
                      John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                      From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                      To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 2:13 PM
                      Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                      Mostly I'm thinking you'd need someone with the sort of leadership skills to keep Sock Puppet in line and be the Hannibal Smith role. If I were to use the Crime-Team in one game I'd be tempted to just bump up Copy Cat's Intellect and Willpower just a tad be done with it.

                      Of course, for the purposes of this thread, that's would be highly improper :-) 

                      To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                      From: jhmcmullen@...
                      Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:45:15 -0800
                      Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

                       

                      In my mind, Copy Cat is overt: she takes over the abilities of a person and enjoys being as good as they are.
                       
                      Incognito is about subterfuge. He might be a leader at home, but in the field, it's Copy Cat. She's got a power that pretty much calls for her to think on her feet and adjust to changing abilities and conditions.
                       
                      A possibility is to have someone else (Professor Hominid again?) fund them as a cash-making scheme. Kind of like Charlie's Angels: they only know him as an electronic voice on the line.
                       
                      I also think that Sigma-9 and Skeletron could join up, one handling the overt confrontation and one handling the subtle one.
                       
                      John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                      From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                      To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:55 AM
                      Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                      I was a little torn regarding the Crime-Team in so far that there may be a little too much overlap between Incognito and Copy Cat. Also the team seems to be missing a real leader figure.  I could see the Merry Widow as potentially a better fit than Copy Cat but the simple truth is I don't care for the character very much. 
                       
                      The link between the Apex members is that they all have a bit of a Nietzschean thing, or atleast in the more pop use of the term. Whether they would actually managed to stick together I don't know, but then what supervillain does.
                      To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                      From: jhmcmullen@...
                      Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:43:27 -0800
                      Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

                       
                      Very nice!
                       
                      In the back of my mind I have a theme--gadget-using villains who can't maintain them. In my head, they meet one another as they're passing to or from Smith's current lair, and decide they can work together and form a group...so long as Smith gets a cut of the profits to be on retainer. But I haven't done any serious looking at characters.
                       
                      I very much like the Crime-Team as a group that the players could meet, and it's good to give Incognito some love.
                       
                      The Brain Trust (that's what you mean instead of Brian Trust, right?) also strikes me as having a nice theme for generating crimes.
                       
                      Apex I have some trouble with: I have a problem believing they'd work together, but the right backstory can overcome that. What's Professor Hominid's plan/technique for getting them together?
                       
                      Kaos Factor I like better with Recluse, and Speed Demon trying to make time with both Fox and Blonde Bombshell.
                       
                      Again--very nice!
                       
                      John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                      From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                      To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:38 PM
                      Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                      Okay, I spent a bit of time on this. Discovered one villain team mentioned in the Villainomicon (the Freedom Four), stuck with John's Exhuman team which for me works really well and had a stab a grouping some of the rest, including some from the main Icons book. It's still first cut so any feedback is welcome.

                      The Crime-Team
                      Theme: If you have a crime to commit, if no one else can help, and if you can afford them, maybe you can hire... The Crime-Team.
                      Incognito
                      Copy Cat
                      Speedsaw
                      Smith
                      Sock Puppet
                       
                      The Brian Trust
                      Theme: Mad scientists looking to fund their research
                      Zero
                      Creeper
                      Downsizer
                       
                      Apex
                      Theme: Professor Hominid's team high achievers
                      Professor Hominid (behind the scenes)
                      Beastman
                      Warbride
                      Sigma-9
                       
                      Kaos Factor
                      Theme: Glamorous crooks (with Recluse for contrast)
                      Fox
                      Recluse (or Troll)
                      Speed Demon
                      Blonde Bombshell
                       
                      Exhumans (from John McMullen post)
                      Theme: villians who are not quite human
                      Rorek
                      Tarpit
                      Ultra-Mind
                      Wraith
                       
                      Freedom Four (from Black Flame's bio in the Villainomicon )
                      Theme: Politically aware, anti-establishment villains
                      Arobas
                      Pulsar
                      Black Flame
                      Baron Kriminel
                       















                    • John McMullen
                      Oh, you know not what you say. :)   Reunion dinner and party tonight, show and party tomorrow night (50th anniversary of the theatre group we all belonged
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                        Oh, you know not what you say. :)
                         
                        Reunion dinner and party tonight, show and party tomorrow night (50th anniversary of the theatre group we all belonged to), and some kind of talent show on Sunday, so I doubt I'll get to it before Monday, but we'll see.
                         
                        John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                        From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                        To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 3:17 PM
                        Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                        Object? I look forward to it!


                        To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                        From: jhmcmullen@...
                        Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:15:25 -0800
                        Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

                         

                        Possibly a separate thread--maybe "Villain Teams"--but would anyone object if I posted a homemade group of characters intended to act as a team?
                         
                        This could also go on the wiki, but I'm looking for some quicker and more direct feedback than that.
                         
                        John
                         
                        John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                        From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                        To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 2:13 PM
                        Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                        Mostly I'm thinking you'd need someone with the sort of leadership skills to keep Sock Puppet in line and be the Hannibal Smith role. If I were to use the Crime-Team in one game I'd be tempted to just bump up Copy Cat's Intellect and Willpower just a tad be done with it.

                        Of course, for the purposes of this thread, that's would be highly improper :-) 

                        To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                        From: jhmcmullen@...
                        Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:45:15 -0800
                        Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

                         

                        In my mind, Copy Cat is overt: she takes over the abilities of a person and enjoys being as good as they are.
                         
                        Incognito is about subterfuge. He might be a leader at home, but in the field, it's Copy Cat. She's got a power that pretty much calls for her to think on her feet and adjust to changing abilities and conditions.
                         
                        A possibility is to have someone else (Professor Hominid again?) fund them as a cash-making scheme. Kind of like Charlie's Angels: they only know him as an electronic voice on the line.
                         
                        I also think that Sigma-9 and Skeletron could join up, one handling the overt confrontation and one handling the subtle one.
                         
                        John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                        From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                        To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:55 AM
                        Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                        I was a little torn regarding the Crime-Team in so far that there may be a little too much overlap between Incognito and Copy Cat. Also the team seems to be missing a real leader figure.  I could see the Merry Widow as potentially a better fit than Copy Cat but the simple truth is I don't care for the character very much. 
                         
                        The link between the Apex members is that they all have a bit of a Nietzschean thing, or atleast in the more pop use of the term. Whether they would actually managed to stick together I don't know, but then what supervillain does.
                        To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                        From: jhmcmullen@...
                        Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:43:27 -0800
                        Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

                         
                        Very nice!
                         
                        In the back of my mind I have a theme--gadget-using villains who can't maintain them. In my head, they meet one another as they're passing to or from Smith's current lair, and decide they can work together and form a group...so long as Smith gets a cut of the profits to be on retainer. But I haven't done any serious looking at characters.
                         
                        I very much like the Crime-Team as a group that the players could meet, and it's good to give Incognito some love.
                         
                        The Brain Trust (that's what you mean instead of Brian Trust, right?) also strikes me as having a nice theme for generating crimes.
                         
                        Apex I have some trouble with: I have a problem believing they'd work together, but the right backstory can overcome that. What's Professor Hominid's plan/technique for getting them together?
                         
                        Kaos Factor I like better with Recluse, and Speed Demon trying to make time with both Fox and Blonde Bombshell.
                         
                        Again--very nice!
                         
                        John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                        From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                        To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:38 PM
                        Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                        Okay, I spent a bit of time on this. Discovered one villain team mentioned in the Villainomicon (the Freedom Four), stuck with John's Exhuman team which for me works really well and had a stab a grouping some of the rest, including some from the main Icons book. It's still first cut so any feedback is welcome.

                        The Crime-Team
                        Theme: If you have a crime to commit, if no one else can help, and if you can afford them, maybe you can hire... The Crime-Team.
                        Incognito
                        Copy Cat
                        Speedsaw
                        Smith
                        Sock Puppet
                         
                        The Brian Trust
                        Theme: Mad scientists looking to fund their research
                        Zero
                        Creeper
                        Downsizer
                         
                        Apex
                        Theme: Professor Hominid's team high achievers
                        Professor Hominid (behind the scenes)
                        Beastman
                        Warbride
                        Sigma-9
                         
                        Kaos Factor
                        Theme: Glamorous crooks (with Recluse for contrast)
                        Fox
                        Recluse (or Troll)
                        Speed Demon
                        Blonde Bombshell
                         
                        Exhumans (from John McMullen post)
                        Theme: villians who are not quite human
                        Rorek
                        Tarpit
                        Ultra-Mind
                        Wraith
                         
                        Freedom Four (from Black Flame's bio in the Villainomicon )
                        Theme: Politically aware, anti-establishment villains
                        Arobas
                        Pulsar
                        Black Flame
                        Baron Kriminel
                         



















                      • Craig McRoberts
                        Honestly, I m looking forward to this myself. I ve been toying around with a villain team, too, so I d like to see what others are doing. Craig
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                          Honestly, I'm looking forward to this myself. I've been toying around with a villain team, too, so I'd like to see what others are doing.

                          Craig

                          On Feb 3, 2012, at 15:15, John McMullen <jhmcmullen@...> wrote:

                           

                          Possibly a separate thread--maybe "Villain Teams"--but would anyone object if I posted a homemade group of characters intended to act as a team?
                           
                          This could also go on the wiki, but I'm looking for some quicker and more direct feedback than that.
                           
                          John
                           
                          John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                          From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                          To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 2:13 PM
                          Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                          Mostly I'm thinking you'd need someone with the sort of leadership skills to keep Sock Puppet in line and be the Hannibal Smith role. If I were to use the Crime-Team in one game I'd be tempted to just bump up Copy Cat's Intellect and Willpower just a tad be done with it.

                          Of course, for the purposes of this thread, that's would be highly improper :-) 

                          To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                          From: jhmcmullen@...
                          Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:45:15 -0800
                          Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

                           

                          In my mind, Copy Cat is overt: she takes over the abilities of a person and enjoys being as good as they are.
                           
                          Incognito is about subterfuge. He might be a leader at home, but in the field, it's Copy Cat. She's got a power that pretty much calls for her to think on her feet and adjust to changing abilities and conditions.
                           
                          A possibility is to have someone else (Professor Hominid again?) fund them as a cash-making scheme. Kind of like Charlie's Angels: they only know him as an electronic voice on the line.
                           
                          I also think that Sigma-9 and Skeletron could join up, one handling the overt confrontation and one handling the subtle one.
                           
                          John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                          From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                          To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:55 AM
                          Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                          I was a little torn regarding the Crime-Team in so far that there may be a little too much overlap between Incognito and Copy Cat. Also the team seems to be missing a real leader figure.  I could see the Merry Widow as potentially a better fit than Copy Cat but the simple truth is I don't care for the character very much. 
                           
                          The link between the Apex members is that they all have a bit of a Nietzschean thing, or atleast in the more pop use of the term. Whether they would actually managed to stick together I don't know, but then what supervillain does.
                          To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                          From: jhmcmullen@...
                          Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:43:27 -0800
                          Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams

                           
                          Very nice!
                           
                          In the back of my mind I have a theme--gadget-using villains who can't maintain them. In my head, they meet one another as they're passing to or from Smith's current lair, and decide they can work together and form a group...so long as Smith gets a cut of the profits to be on retainer. But I haven't done any serious looking at characters.
                           
                          I very much like the Crime-Team as a group that the players could meet, and it's good to give Incognito some love.
                           
                          The Brain Trust (that's what you mean instead of Brian Trust, right?) also strikes me as having a nice theme for generating crimes.
                           
                          Apex I have some trouble with: I have a problem believing they'd work together, but the right backstory can overcome that. What's Professor Hominid's plan/technique for getting them together?
                           
                          Kaos Factor I like better with Recluse, and Speed Demon trying to make time with both Fox and Blonde Bombshell.
                           
                          Again--very nice!
                           
                          John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                          From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                          To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:38 PM
                          Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams



                          Okay, I spent a bit of time on this. Discovered one villain team mentioned in the Villainomicon (the Freedom Four), stuck with John's Exhuman team which for me works really well and had a stab a grouping some of the rest, including some from the main Icons book. It's still first cut so any feedback is welcome.

                          The Crime-Team
                          Theme: If you have a crime to commit, if no one else can help, and if you can afford them, maybe you can hire... The Crime-Team.
                          Incognito
                          Copy Cat
                          Speedsaw
                          Smith
                          Sock Puppet
                           
                          The Brian Trust
                          Theme: Mad scientists looking to fund their research
                          Zero
                          Creeper
                          Downsizer
                           
                          Apex
                          Theme: Professor Hominid's team high achievers
                          Professor Hominid (behind the scenes)
                          Beastman
                          Warbride
                          Sigma-9
                           
                          Kaos Factor
                          Theme: Glamorous crooks (with Recluse for contrast)
                          Fox
                          Recluse (or Troll)
                          Speed Demon
                          Blonde Bombshell
                           
                          Exhumans (from John McMullen post)
                          Theme: villians who are not quite human
                          Rorek
                          Tarpit
                          Ultra-Mind
                          Wraith
                           
                          Freedom Four (from Black Flame's bio in the Villainomicon )
                          Theme: Politically aware, anti-establishment villains
                          Arobas
                          Pulsar
                          Black Flame
                          Baron Kriminel
                           














                        • dirkgentry2000
                          I d love to see a villain team posted here - maybe in the files section for easy reference...
                          Message 12 of 27 , Feb 3, 2012
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                            I'd love to see a villain team posted here - maybe in the files section for easy reference...

                            --- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, Craig McRoberts <imprimis5@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Honestly, I'm looking forward to this myself. I've been toying around with a villain team, too, so I'd like to see what others are doing.
                            >
                            > Craig
                            >
                            > On Feb 3, 2012, at 15:15, John McMullen <jhmcmullen@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > > Possibly a separate thread--maybe "Villain Teams"--but would anyone object if I posted a homemade group of characters intended to act as a team?
                            > >
                            > > This could also go on the wiki, but I'm looking for some quicker and more direct feedback than that.
                            > >
                            > > John
                            > >
                            > > John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                            > > From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                            > > To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 2:13 PM
                            > > Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Mostly I'm thinking you'd need someone with the sort of leadership skills to keep Sock Puppet in line and be the Hannibal Smith role. If I were to use the Crime-Team in one game I'd be tempted to just bump up Copy Cat's Intellect and Willpower just a tad be done with it.
                            > >
                            > > Of course, for the purposes of this thread, that's would be highly improper :-)
                            > >
                            > > To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                            > > From: jhmcmullen@...
                            > > Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:45:15 -0800
                            > > Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > In my mind, Copy Cat is overt: she takes over the abilities of a person and enjoys being as good as they are.
                            > >
                            > > Incognito is about subterfuge. He might be a leader at home, but in the field, it's Copy Cat. She's got a power that pretty much calls for her to think on her feet and adjust to changing abilities and conditions.
                            > >
                            > > A possibility is to have someone else (Professor Hominid again?) fund them as a cash-making scheme. Kind of like Charlie's Angels: they only know him as an electronic voice on the line.
                            > >
                            > > I also think that Sigma-9 and Skeletron could join up, one handling the overt confrontation and one handling the subtle one.
                            > >
                            > > John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                            > > From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                            > > To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:55 AM
                            > > Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > I was a little torn regarding the Crime-Team in so far that there may be a little too much overlap between Incognito and Copy Cat. Also the team seems to be missing a real leader figure. I could see the Merry Widow as potentially a better fit than Copy Cat but the simple truth is I don't care for the character very much.
                            > >
                            > > The link between the Apex members is that they all have a bit of a Nietzschean thing, or atleast in the more pop use of the term. Whether they would actually managed to stick together I don't know, but then what supervillain does.
                            > > To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
                            > > From: jhmcmullen@...
                            > > Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:43:27 -0800
                            > > Subject: Re: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Very nice!
                            > >
                            > > In the back of my mind I have a theme--gadget-using villains who can't maintain them. In my head, they meet one another as they're passing to or from Smith's current lair, and decide they can work together and form a group...so long as Smith gets a cut of the profits to be on retainer. But I haven't done any serious looking at characters.
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                            > > I very much like the Crime-Team as a group that the players could meet, and it's good to give Incognito some love.
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                            > > The Brain Trust (that's what you mean instead of Brian Trust, right?) also strikes me as having a nice theme for generating crimes.
                            > >
                            > > Apex I have some trouble with: I have a problem believing they'd work together, but the right backstory can overcome that. What's Professor Hominid's plan/technique for getting them together?
                            > >
                            > > Kaos Factor I like better with Recluse, and Speed Demon trying to make time with both Fox and Blonde Bombshell.
                            > >
                            > > Again--very nice!
                            > >
                            > > John McMullen (Young old coot) jhmcmullen@...
                            > > From: Soylent Green <gsoylent@...>
                            > > To: icons group <icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:38 PM
                            > > Subject: RE: [icons-rpg] Re: Villainomicon Teams
                            > >
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                            > >
                            > > Okay, I spent a bit of time on this. Discovered one villain team mentioned in the Villainomicon (the Freedom Four), stuck with John's Exhuman team which for me works really well and had a stab a grouping some of the rest, including some from the main Icons book. It's still first cut so any feedback is welcome.
                            > >
                            > > The Crime-Team
                            > > Theme: If you have a crime to commit, if no one else can help, and if you can afford them, maybe you can hire... The Crime-Team.
                            > > Incognito
                            > > Copy Cat
                            > > Speedsaw
                            > > Smith
                            > > Sock Puppet
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                            > > The Brian Trust
                            > > Theme: Mad scientists looking to fund their research
                            > > Zero
                            > > Creeper
                            > > Downsizer
                            > >
                            > > Apex
                            > > Theme: Professor Hominid's team high achievers
                            > > Professor Hominid (behind the scenes)
                            > > Beastman
                            > > Warbride
                            > > Sigma-9
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                            > > Kaos Factor
                            > > Theme: Glamorous crooks (with Recluse for contrast)
                            > > Fox
                            > > Recluse (or Troll)
                            > > Speed Demon
                            > > Blonde Bombshell
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                            > > Exhumans (from John McMullen post)
                            > > Theme: villians who are not quite human
                            > > Rorek
                            > > Tarpit
                            > > Ultra-Mind
                            > > Wraith
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                            > > Freedom Four (from Black Flame's bio in the Villainomicon )
                            > > Theme: Politically aware, anti-establishment villains
                            > > Arobas
                            > > Pulsar
                            > > Black Flame
                            > > Baron Kriminel
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