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  • bboru11
    The War on Workers By David Sirota The San Francisco Chronicle Monday 04 September 2006 U.S. Education Secretary Rod Paige labeled one a terrorist
    Message 1 of 11 , Sep 4, 2006
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      The War on Workers
      By David Sirota
      The San Francisco Chronicle

      Monday 04 September 2006

      U.S. Education Secretary Rod Paige labeled one "a terrorist
      organization." Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas,
      called them "a clear and present danger to the security of the
      United States." And U.S. Rep. Charles Norwood, R-Ga., claimed they
      employ "tyranny that Americans are fighting and dying to defeat in
      Iraq and Afghanistan" and are thus "enemies of freedom and
      democracy," who show "why we still need the Second Amendment" to
      defend ourselves with firearms.

      Who are these supposed threats to America? No, not Osama bin
      Laden followers, but labor unions made up of millions of workers -
      janitors, teachers, firefighters, police officers, you name it.

      Bashing organized labor is a Republican pathology, to the point
      where unions are referenced with terms reserved for military
      targets. In his 1996 article, headlined "GOP Readies for War With
      Big Labor," conservative columnist Robert Novak cheered the creation
      of a "GOP committee task force on the labor movement" that would
      pursue a "major assault" on unions. As one Republican lawmaker told
      Novak, GOP leaders champion an "anti-union attitude that appeals to
      the mentality of hillbillies at revival meetings."

      The hostility, while disgusting, is unsurprising. Unions wield
      power for workers, meaning they present an obstacle to Republican
      corporate donors, who want to put profit-making over other societal
      priorities.

      Think the minimum wage just happened? Think employer-paid health
      care and pensions have been around for as long as they have by some
      force of magic? Think again - unions used collective bargaining to
      preserve these benefits. As the saying goes, union members are the
      folks that brought you the weekend.

      The government's numbers explain how unions have helped their
      members. According to an analysis of federal data by the Labor
      Research Association, average union members receive a quarter more
      in compensation than nonunion workers. Eighty-nine percent of union
      members have access to employer-sponsored health care, compared to
      just 67 percent of nonunion workers. Unionized workers receive 26
      percent more vacation than nonunion workers.

      Unions also benefit nonunion workers. That's thanks to
      the "union threat effect" whereby anti-union companies meet higher
      standards in order to prevent workers from becoming angry and
      organizing. For instance, Princeton researchers found in industries
      that are 25 percent unionized, average nonunion workers get 7.5
      percent more compensation specifically because of unionization's
      presence.

      The flip side is obvious: The more corporations and politicians
      crush unions, the more all workers suffer. It is no coincidence that
      as union membership and power has declined under withering anti-
      union attacks, workers have seen their wages stagnate, pensions
      slashed, and share of national income hit a 60-year low. As Council
      on Foreign Relations scholars put it, the decline in unions "is
      correlated with the early and sharp widening of the U.S. wage gap."

      Big Business claims union membership has declined because
      workers do not want to join unions - a claim debunked by public-
      opinion data. In 2002, Harvard University and University of
      Wisconsin researchers found at least 42 million workers want to be
      organized into a bargaining unit - more than double the 16 million
      unionized workers in America. A 2005 nationwide survey by respected
      pollster Peter Hart found 53 percent of nonunion workers - that's
      more than 50 million people - want to join a union, if given the
      choice.

      Increasingly, however, workers have no real choice. According to
      Cornell University experts, 1 in 4 employers illegally fires at
      least one worker during a union drive, 3 in 4 hire anti-union
      consultants, and 8 in 10 force workers to attend anti-union
      meetings. When workers petition the government to enforce laws
      protecting organizing rights, they are forced to go before the
      National Labor Relations Board, which is both run by anti-union
      presidential appointees, and chronically understaffed so as to slow
      down proceedings. When Democrats have tried to expand workers' union
      rights by introducing the Employee Free Choice Act, the GOP has
      prevented a vote on the legislation.

      So when GOP lawmakers pledge their commitment to workers at
      Labor Day celebrations today, remember - Republicans are waging a
      war on the very workers they purport to care about.
    • Bob
      Get your head out of where the sun doesn t shine. Remember the Democrats had control in Clinton s first two years and did nothing. Businesses were still
      Message 2 of 11 , Sep 5, 2006
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        Get your head out of where the sun doesn't shine.
        Remember the Democrats had control in Clinton's
        first two years and did nothing. Businesses were
        still downsizing people. Remember when Ross Perot
        talked about that "giant sucking sound" and both
        parties and the left-wing mainstream media made
        him out to be a crackpot. Big business donates to
        both parties. Neither party is going to bite the
        hand that feeds them. If you really want to live
        in a SOCIALIST country, then I'd suggest Cuba or
        North Korea. Even China is beginning to see the
        light.

        --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, bboru11 <no_reply@...> wrote:
        >
        > The War on Workers
        > By David Sirota
        > The San Francisco Chronicle
        >
        > Monday 04 September 2006
        >
        > U.S. Education Secretary Rod Paige labeled one "a terrorist
        > organization." Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas,
        > called them "a clear and present danger to the security of the
        > United States." And U.S. Rep. Charles Norwood, R-Ga., claimed they
        > employ "tyranny that Americans are fighting and dying to defeat in
        > Iraq and Afghanistan" and are thus "enemies of freedom and
        > democracy," who show "why we still need the Second Amendment" to
        > defend ourselves with firearms.
        >
        > Who are these supposed threats to America? No, not Osama bin
        > Laden followers, but labor unions made up of millions of workers -
        > janitors, teachers, firefighters, police officers, you name it.
        >
        > Bashing organized labor is a Republican pathology, to the point
        > where unions are referenced with terms reserved for military
        > targets. In his 1996 article, headlined "GOP Readies for War With
        > Big Labor," conservative columnist Robert Novak cheered the creation
        > of a "GOP committee task force on the labor movement" that would
        > pursue a "major assault" on unions. As one Republican lawmaker told
        > Novak, GOP leaders champion an "anti-union attitude that appeals to
        > the mentality of hillbillies at revival meetings."
        >
        > The hostility, while disgusting, is unsurprising. Unions wield
        > power for workers, meaning they present an obstacle to Republican
        > corporate donors, who want to put profit-making over other societal
        > priorities.
        >
        > Think the minimum wage just happened? Think employer-paid health
        > care and pensions have been around for as long as they have by some
        > force of magic? Think again - unions used collective bargaining to
        > preserve these benefits. As the saying goes, union members are the
        > folks that brought you the weekend.
        >
        > The government's numbers explain how unions have helped their
        > members. According to an analysis of federal data by the Labor
        > Research Association, average union members receive a quarter more
        > in compensation than nonunion workers. Eighty-nine percent of union
        > members have access to employer-sponsored health care, compared to
        > just 67 percent of nonunion workers. Unionized workers receive 26
        > percent more vacation than nonunion workers.
        >
        > Unions also benefit nonunion workers. That's thanks to
        > the "union threat effect" whereby anti-union companies meet higher
        > standards in order to prevent workers from becoming angry and
        > organizing. For instance, Princeton researchers found in industries
        > that are 25 percent unionized, average nonunion workers get 7.5
        > percent more compensation specifically because of unionization's
        > presence.
        >
        > The flip side is obvious: The more corporations and politicians
        > crush unions, the more all workers suffer. It is no coincidence that
        > as union membership and power has declined under withering anti-
        > union attacks, workers have seen their wages stagnate, pensions
        > slashed, and share of national income hit a 60-year low. As Council
        > on Foreign Relations scholars put it, the decline in unions "is
        > correlated with the early and sharp widening of the U.S. wage gap."
        >
        > Big Business claims union membership has declined because
        > workers do not want to join unions - a claim debunked by public-
        > opinion data. In 2002, Harvard University and University of
        > Wisconsin researchers found at least 42 million workers want to be
        > organized into a bargaining unit - more than double the 16 million
        > unionized workers in America. A 2005 nationwide survey by respected
        > pollster Peter Hart found 53 percent of nonunion workers - that's
        > more than 50 million people - want to join a union, if given the
        > choice.
        >
        > Increasingly, however, workers have no real choice. According to
        > Cornell University experts, 1 in 4 employers illegally fires at
        > least one worker during a union drive, 3 in 4 hire anti-union
        > consultants, and 8 in 10 force workers to attend anti-union
        > meetings. When workers petition the government to enforce laws
        > protecting organizing rights, they are forced to go before the
        > National Labor Relations Board, which is both run by anti-union
        > presidential appointees, and chronically understaffed so as to slow
        > down proceedings. When Democrats have tried to expand workers' union
        > rights by introducing the Employee Free Choice Act, the GOP has
        > prevented a vote on the legislation.
        >
        > So when GOP lawmakers pledge their commitment to workers at
        > Labor Day celebrations today, remember - Republicans are waging a
        > war on the very workers they purport to care about.
        >
      • bboru11
        I have my head firmly on my shoulders.Did you even read the article? Let s be concerned about the present. If you think the current one party state is
        Message 3 of 11 , Sep 6, 2006
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          I have my head firmly on my shoulders.Did you even read the article?
          Let's be concerned about the present.
          If you think the current one party state is beneficial to Labor and
          the country you are woefully uninformed.


          --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" <bobc4012@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          > Get your head out of where the sun doesn't shine.
          > Remember the Democrats had control in Clinton's
          > first two years and did nothing. Businesses were
          > still downsizing people. Remember when Ross Perot
          > talked about that "giant sucking sound" and both
          > parties and the left-wing mainstream media made
          > him out to be a crackpot. Big business donates to
          > both parties. Neither party is going to bite the
          > hand that feeds them. If you really want to live
          > in a SOCIALIST country, then I'd suggest Cuba or
          > North Korea. Even China is beginning to see the
          > light.
          >
          > --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, bboru11 <no_reply@> wrote:
          > >
          > > The War on Workers
          > > By David Sirota
          > > The San Francisco Chronicle
          > >
          > > Monday 04 September 2006
          > >
          > > U.S. Education Secretary Rod Paige labeled one "a terrorist
          > > organization." Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas,
          > > called them "a clear and present danger to the security of the
          > > United States." And U.S. Rep. Charles Norwood, R-Ga., claimed
          they
          > > employ "tyranny that Americans are fighting and dying to defeat
          in
          > > Iraq and Afghanistan" and are thus "enemies of freedom and
          > > democracy," who show "why we still need the Second Amendment" to
          > > defend ourselves with firearms.
          > >
          > > Who are these supposed threats to America? No, not Osama bin
          > > Laden followers, but labor unions made up of millions of
          workers -
          > > janitors, teachers, firefighters, police officers, you name it.
          > >
          > > Bashing organized labor is a Republican pathology, to the
          point
          > > where unions are referenced with terms reserved for military
          > > targets. In his 1996 article, headlined "GOP Readies for War
          With
          > > Big Labor," conservative columnist Robert Novak cheered the
          creation
          > > of a "GOP committee task force on the labor movement" that would
          > > pursue a "major assault" on unions. As one Republican lawmaker
          told
          > > Novak, GOP leaders champion an "anti-union attitude that appeals
          to
          > > the mentality of hillbillies at revival meetings."
          > >
          > > The hostility, while disgusting, is unsurprising. Unions
          wield
          > > power for workers, meaning they present an obstacle to
          Republican
          > > corporate donors, who want to put profit-making over other
          societal
          > > priorities.
          > >
          > > Think the minimum wage just happened? Think employer-paid
          health
          > > care and pensions have been around for as long as they have by
          some
          > > force of magic? Think again - unions used collective bargaining
          to
          > > preserve these benefits. As the saying goes, union members are
          the
          > > folks that brought you the weekend.
          > >
          > > The government's numbers explain how unions have helped
          their
          > > members. According to an analysis of federal data by the Labor
          > > Research Association, average union members receive a quarter
          more
          > > in compensation than nonunion workers. Eighty-nine percent of
          union
          > > members have access to employer-sponsored health care, compared
          to
          > > just 67 percent of nonunion workers. Unionized workers receive
          26
          > > percent more vacation than nonunion workers.
          > >
          > > Unions also benefit nonunion workers. That's thanks to
          > > the "union threat effect" whereby anti-union companies meet
          higher
          > > standards in order to prevent workers from becoming angry and
          > > organizing. For instance, Princeton researchers found in
          industries
          > > that are 25 percent unionized, average nonunion workers get 7.5
          > > percent more compensation specifically because of unionization's
          > > presence.
          > >
          > > The flip side is obvious: The more corporations and
          politicians
          > > crush unions, the more all workers suffer. It is no coincidence
          that
          > > as union membership and power has declined under withering anti-
          > > union attacks, workers have seen their wages stagnate, pensions
          > > slashed, and share of national income hit a 60-year low. As
          Council
          > > on Foreign Relations scholars put it, the decline in unions "is
          > > correlated with the early and sharp widening of the U.S. wage
          gap."
          > >
          > > Big Business claims union membership has declined because
          > > workers do not want to join unions - a claim debunked by public-
          > > opinion data. In 2002, Harvard University and University of
          > > Wisconsin researchers found at least 42 million workers want to
          be
          > > organized into a bargaining unit - more than double the 16
          million
          > > unionized workers in America. A 2005 nationwide survey by
          respected
          > > pollster Peter Hart found 53 percent of nonunion workers -
          that's
          > > more than 50 million people - want to join a union, if given the
          > > choice.
          > >
          > > Increasingly, however, workers have no real choice.
          According to
          > > Cornell University experts, 1 in 4 employers illegally fires at
          > > least one worker during a union drive, 3 in 4 hire anti-union
          > > consultants, and 8 in 10 force workers to attend anti-union
          > > meetings. When workers petition the government to enforce laws
          > > protecting organizing rights, they are forced to go before the
          > > National Labor Relations Board, which is both run by anti-union
          > > presidential appointees, and chronically understaffed so as to
          slow
          > > down proceedings. When Democrats have tried to expand workers'
          union
          > > rights by introducing the Employee Free Choice Act, the GOP has
          > > prevented a vote on the legislation.
          > >
          > > So when GOP lawmakers pledge their commitment to workers at
          > > Labor Day celebrations today, remember - Republicans are waging
          a
          > > war on the very workers they purport to care about.
          > >
          >
        • Bob
          Then your shoulders are supporting your head and keeping it where the sun don t shine. Democrats take the unions as their god-given right (notice the lower
          Message 4 of 11 , Sep 7, 2006
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            Then your shoulders are supporting your head and keeping it
            where the sun don't shine. Democrats take the unions as their
            "god-given right" (notice the lower case for God, because the
            left-wing terrorist loving liberal Democrats stacked the Federal
            court system with justices who want religion and God kicked out
            of the US), BUT when it came to putting their MOUTH WHERE it
            counted they sold the unions out (except the teacher's union,
            which is another reason why America's children are failing and
            under-educated - or did you miss ABC's 20-20 a couple of Fridays
            past?). You put a lot of stock in a newspaper article FABRICATED
            by a reporter with a POLICITICAL agenda. To paraphrase "Forrest
            Gump" - BS is as BS does. While the Republicans may have held
            the presidency since 1968, except for Clinton and Carter, the
            Democrats controlled congress (either the HOR or the Senate or
            both) for over 40 years. Other than take the big money campaign
            contributions, they did nothing or than an occasional tidbit. In
            Clinton's first 2 years, he had a Democratic majority in both
            houses and you could hear that GIANT SUCKING sound as jobs were
            going to Mexico and Asia back then. A lot of people were
            "downsized" during those 2 years (and subsequent years).

            So when it comes to the working class, the Democrats are no better
            than the Republicans. The only thing they have going for them is
            the backing of the MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

            People like yourself are the biggest problem in America today.
            You expect the government to do everything for them. You would
            never survive in America 200 years ago, where you had to learn
            self-reliance. I don't expect anything from the government other
            than thievery by either of the two major parties (I BELONG TO
            NEITHER PARTY).

            If I was as disgruntled as you working at IBM, I would quit and
            go someplace else. You know you will never get a union in IBM
            (at least not in the US). IBM is already positioned to move the
            remainder of its business overseas and just maintain a research
            and customer support business in the States.

            BTW, how often do you shop at Wal-Mart and other similar stores
            and buy all those crappy products "made in China". Even some of
            the grocery products are being shipped from China. Just remember
            for every item you buy that was made in China, you have just laid
            off another union brother. Personally, I go without rather than
            buy something made in China. That is not to say, I haven't bought
            something made in some other country - somethimes there is no
            choice. But I do avoid buying anything made in China, which is
            the dominant exporter to this country.

            One last point, the Denmocrats want to give amnesty to all those
            illegal Mexicans for their vote, yet they do a lot of jobs that
            union people might have done. Of course, the Republicans are no
            better as they sit their with their hands under their butts,
            afraid to alienate these illegals and lose a few precious votes.


            --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, bboru11 <no_reply@...> wrote:
            >
            > I have my head firmly on my shoulders.Did you even read the article?
            > Let's be concerned about the present.
            > If you think the current one party state is beneficial to Labor and
            > the country you are woefully uninformed.
            >
            >
            > --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" <bobc4012@> wrote:
            > >
            > >
            > > Get your head out of where the sun doesn't shine.
            > > Remember the Democrats had control in Clinton's
            > > first two years and did nothing. Businesses were
            > > still downsizing people. Remember when Ross Perot
            > > talked about that "giant sucking sound" and both
            > > parties and the left-wing mainstream media made
            > > him out to be a crackpot. Big business donates to
            > > both parties. Neither party is going to bite the
            > > hand that feeds them. If you really want to live
            > > in a SOCIALIST country, then I'd suggest Cuba or
            > > North Korea. Even China is beginning to see the
            > > light.
            > >
            > > --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, bboru11 <no_reply@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > The War on Workers
            > > > By David Sirota
            > > > The San Francisco Chronicle
            > > >
            > > > Monday 04 September 2006
            > > >
            > > > U.S. Education Secretary Rod Paige labeled one "a terrorist
            > > > organization." Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas,
            > > > called them "a clear and present danger to the security of the
            > > > United States." And U.S. Rep. Charles Norwood, R-Ga., claimed
            > they
            > > > employ "tyranny that Americans are fighting and dying to defeat
            > in
            > > > Iraq and Afghanistan" and are thus "enemies of freedom and
            > > > democracy," who show "why we still need the Second Amendment" to
            > > > defend ourselves with firearms.
            > > >
            > > > Who are these supposed threats to America? No, not Osama bin
            > > > Laden followers, but labor unions made up of millions of
            > workers -
            > > > janitors, teachers, firefighters, police officers, you name it.
            > > >
            > > > Bashing organized labor is a Republican pathology, to the
            > point
            > > > where unions are referenced with terms reserved for military
            > > > targets. In his 1996 article, headlined "GOP Readies for War
            > With
            > > > Big Labor," conservative columnist Robert Novak cheered the
            > creation
            > > > of a "GOP committee task force on the labor movement" that would
            > > > pursue a "major assault" on unions. As one Republican lawmaker
            > told
            > > > Novak, GOP leaders champion an "anti-union attitude that appeals
            > to
            > > > the mentality of hillbillies at revival meetings."
            > > >
            > > > The hostility, while disgusting, is unsurprising. Unions
            > wield
            > > > power for workers, meaning they present an obstacle to
            > Republican
            > > > corporate donors, who want to put profit-making over other
            > societal
            > > > priorities.
            > > >
            > > > Think the minimum wage just happened? Think employer-paid
            > health
            > > > care and pensions have been around for as long as they have by
            > some
            > > > force of magic? Think again - unions used collective bargaining
            > to
            > > > preserve these benefits. As the saying goes, union members are
            > the
            > > > folks that brought you the weekend.
            > > >
            > > > The government's numbers explain how unions have helped
            > their
            > > > members. According to an analysis of federal data by the Labor
            > > > Research Association, average union members receive a quarter
            > more
            > > > in compensation than nonunion workers. Eighty-nine percent of
            > union
            > > > members have access to employer-sponsored health care, compared
            > to
            > > > just 67 percent of nonunion workers. Unionized workers receive
            > 26
            > > > percent more vacation than nonunion workers.
            > > >
            > > > Unions also benefit nonunion workers. That's thanks to
            > > > the "union threat effect" whereby anti-union companies meet
            > higher
            > > > standards in order to prevent workers from becoming angry and
            > > > organizing. For instance, Princeton researchers found in
            > industries
            > > > that are 25 percent unionized, average nonunion workers get 7.5
            > > > percent more compensation specifically because of unionization's
            > > > presence.
            > > >
            > > > The flip side is obvious: The more corporations and
            > politicians
            > > > crush unions, the more all workers suffer. It is no coincidence
            > that
            > > > as union membership and power has declined under withering anti-
            > > > union attacks, workers have seen their wages stagnate, pensions
            > > > slashed, and share of national income hit a 60-year low. As
            > Council
            > > > on Foreign Relations scholars put it, the decline in unions "is
            > > > correlated with the early and sharp widening of the U.S. wage
            > gap."
            > > >
            > > > Big Business claims union membership has declined because
            > > > workers do not want to join unions - a claim debunked by public-
            > > > opinion data. In 2002, Harvard University and University of
            > > > Wisconsin researchers found at least 42 million workers want to
            > be
            > > > organized into a bargaining unit - more than double the 16
            > million
            > > > unionized workers in America. A 2005 nationwide survey by
            > respected
            > > > pollster Peter Hart found 53 percent of nonunion workers -
            > that's
            > > > more than 50 million people - want to join a union, if given the
            > > > choice.
            > > >
            > > > Increasingly, however, workers have no real choice.
            > According to
            > > > Cornell University experts, 1 in 4 employers illegally fires at
            > > > least one worker during a union drive, 3 in 4 hire anti-union
            > > > consultants, and 8 in 10 force workers to attend anti-union
            > > > meetings. When workers petition the government to enforce laws
            > > > protecting organizing rights, they are forced to go before the
            > > > National Labor Relations Board, which is both run by anti-union
            > > > presidential appointees, and chronically understaffed so as to
            > slow
            > > > down proceedings. When Democrats have tried to expand workers'
            > union
            > > > rights by introducing the Employee Free Choice Act, the GOP has
            > > > prevented a vote on the legislation.
            > > >
            > > > So when GOP lawmakers pledge their commitment to workers at
            > > > Labor Day celebrations today, remember - Republicans are waging
            > a
            > > > war on the very workers they purport to care about.
            > > >
            > >
            >
          • Steven Dillon
            Yeah, I was a nihilist once, too. Then I realized that at the end of the day, without having organized, I felt like a hypocrit. I have no faith in the
            Message 5 of 11 , Sep 8, 2006
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              Yeah, I was a nihilist once, too. Then I realized
              that at the end of the day, without having organized,
              I felt like a hypocrit. I have no faith in the
              government or "liberals" ( Phil Ochs explains it
              nicely ). I do have faith in solidarity, and it's my
              belief that working folks have been resting on their
              laurels for too long. People can say "it's
              un-American" or "the gov't will stop you" or "it's a
              futile situation" till they are blue in the face. At
              the end of the day, the WORKERS have the power to
              change things. If you don't believe me, look at the
              French, who obviously have more self-respect and
              solidarity than we do here. If they didn't, they
              wouldn't have:

              Socialized medicine
              A sacrosanct 35-hour work week
              7 weeks of vacation
              Pensions (remember those?)

              --- Bob <bobc4012@...> wrote:

              >
              > Then your shoulders are supporting your head and
              > keeping it
              > where the sun don't shine. Democrats take the unions
              > as their
              > "god-given right" (notice the lower case for God,
              > because the
              > left-wing terrorist loving liberal Democrats stacked
              > the Federal
              > court system with justices who want religion and God
              > kicked out
              > of the US), BUT when it came to putting their MOUTH
              > WHERE it
              > counted they sold the unions out (except the
              > teacher's union,
              > which is another reason why America's children are
              > failing and
              > under-educated - or did you miss ABC's 20-20 a
              > couple of Fridays
              > past?). You put a lot of stock in a newspaper
              > article FABRICATED
              > by a reporter with a POLICITICAL agenda. To
              > paraphrase "Forrest
              > Gump" - BS is as BS does. While the Republicans may
              > have held
              > the presidency since 1968, except for Clinton and
              > Carter, the
              > Democrats controlled congress (either the HOR or the
              > Senate or
              > both) for over 40 years. Other than take the big
              > money campaign
              > contributions, they did nothing or than an
              > occasional tidbit. In
              > Clinton's first 2 years, he had a Democratic
              > majority in both
              > houses and you could hear that GIANT SUCKING sound
              > as jobs were
              > going to Mexico and Asia back then. A lot of people
              > were
              > "downsized" during those 2 years (and subsequent
              > years).
              >
              > So when it comes to the working class, the Democrats
              > are no better
              > than the Republicans. The only thing they have going
              > for them is
              > the backing of the MAINSTREAM MEDIA.
              >
              > People like yourself are the biggest problem in
              > America today.
              > You expect the government to do everything for them.
              > You would
              > never survive in America 200 years ago, where you
              > had to learn
              > self-reliance. I don't expect anything from the
              > government other
              > than thievery by either of the two major parties (I
              > BELONG TO
              > NEITHER PARTY).
              >
              > If I was as disgruntled as you working at IBM, I
              > would quit and
              > go someplace else. You know you will never get a
              > union in IBM
              > (at least not in the US). IBM is already positioned
              > to move the
              > remainder of its business overseas and just maintain
              > a research
              > and customer support business in the States.
              >
              > BTW, how often do you shop at Wal-Mart and other
              > similar stores
              > and buy all those crappy products "made in China".
              > Even some of
              > the grocery products are being shipped from China.
              > Just remember
              > for every item you buy that was made in China, you
              > have just laid
              > off another union brother. Personally, I go without
              > rather than
              > buy something made in China. That is not to say, I
              > haven't bought
              > something made in some other country - somethimes
              > there is no
              > choice. But I do avoid buying anything made in
              > China, which is
              > the dominant exporter to this country.
              >
              > One last point, the Denmocrats want to give amnesty
              > to all those
              > illegal Mexicans for their vote, yet they do a lot
              > of jobs that
              > union people might have done. Of course, the
              > Republicans are no
              > better as they sit their with their hands under
              > their butts,
              > afraid to alienate these illegals and lose a few
              > precious votes.
              >
              >
              > --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, bboru11
              > <no_reply@...> wrote:
              > >
              > > I have my head firmly on my shoulders.Did you even
              > read the article?
              > > Let's be concerned about the present.
              > > If you think the current one party state is
              > beneficial to Labor and
              > > the country you are woefully uninformed.
              > >
              > >
              > > --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" <bobc4012@>
              > wrote:
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Get your head out of where the sun doesn't
              > shine.
              > > > Remember the Democrats had control in Clinton's
              > > > first two years and did nothing. Businesses were
              >
              > > > still downsizing people. Remember when Ross
              > Perot
              > > > talked about that "giant sucking sound" and both
              >
              > > > parties and the left-wing mainstream media made
              > > > him out to be a crackpot. Big business donates
              > to
              > > > both parties. Neither party is going to bite the
              >
              > > > hand that feeds them. If you really want to live
              >
              > > > in a SOCIALIST country, then I'd suggest Cuba or
              >
              > > > North Korea. Even China is beginning to see the
              > > > light.
              > > >
              > > > --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, bboru11
              > <no_reply@> wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > The War on Workers
              > > > > By David Sirota
              > > > > The San Francisco Chronicle
              > > > >
              > > > > Monday 04 September 2006
              > > > >
              > > > > U.S. Education Secretary Rod Paige labeled
              > one "a terrorist
              > > > > organization." Former House Majority Leader
              > Tom DeLay, R-Texas,
              > > > > called them "a clear and present danger to the
              > security of the
              > > > > United States." And U.S. Rep. Charles Norwood,
              > R-Ga., claimed
              > > they
              > > > > employ "tyranny that Americans are fighting
              > and dying to defeat
              > > in
              > > > > Iraq and Afghanistan" and are thus "enemies of
              > freedom and
              > > > > democracy," who show "why we still need the
              > Second Amendment" to
              > > > > defend ourselves with firearms.
              > > > >
              > > > > Who are these supposed threats to America?
              > No, not Osama bin
              > > > > Laden followers, but labor unions made up of
              > millions of
              > > workers -
              > > > > janitors, teachers, firefighters, police
              > officers, you name it.
              > > > >
              > > > > Bashing organized labor is a Republican
              > pathology, to the
              > > point
              > > > > where unions are referenced with terms
              > reserved for military
              > > > > targets. In his 1996 article, headlined "GOP
              > Readies for War
              > > With
              > > > > Big Labor," conservative columnist Robert
              > Novak cheered the
              > > creation
              > > > > of a "GOP committee task force on the labor
              > movement" that would
              > > > > pursue a "major assault" on unions. As one
              > Republican lawmaker
              > > told
              > > > > Novak, GOP leaders champion an "anti-union
              > attitude that appeals
              > > to
              > > > > the mentality of hillbillies at revival
              > meetings."
              > > > >
              > > > > The hostility, while disgusting, is
              > unsurprising. Unions
              > > wield
              > > > > power for workers, meaning they present an
              > obstacle to
              > > Republican
              > > > > corporate donors, who want to put
              > profit-making over other
              >
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            • bboru11
              First of all you need to stay with the present. Just focusing on what the democrats did in the past is a bait and switch ploy used by the likes of Rush and
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                First of all you need to stay with the present. Just focusing on
                what the democrats did in the past is a bait and switch ploy used by
                the likes of Rush and Hannity, while conveniently ignoring the
                problems of today. You can not honestly believe the past 6 years
                under Bush have been good for American workers?
                Also you presume a lot about me. I am not disgruntled and I do not
                shop at Wal-Mart. I buy American whenever I can and my car is
                American. I have fougnt the exporting of jobs. What have you done?
                Also you seem to dislike unions. So why are you here?

                --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" <bobc4012@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Then your shoulders are supporting your head and keeping it
                > where the sun don't shine. Democrats take the unions as their
                > "god-given right" (notice the lower case for God, because the
                > left-wing terrorist loving liberal Democrats stacked the Federal
                > court system with justices who want religion and God kicked out
                > of the US), BUT when it came to putting their MOUTH WHERE it
                > counted they sold the unions out (except the teacher's union,
                > which is another reason why America's children are failing and
                > under-educated - or did you miss ABC's 20-20 a couple of Fridays
                > past?). You put a lot of stock in a newspaper article FABRICATED
                > by a reporter with a POLICITICAL agenda. To paraphrase "Forrest
                > Gump" - BS is as BS does. While the Republicans may have held
                > the presidency since 1968, except for Clinton and Carter, the
                > Democrats controlled congress (either the HOR or the Senate or
                > both) for over 40 years. Other than take the big money campaign
                > contributions, they did nothing or than an occasional tidbit. In
                > Clinton's first 2 years, he had a Democratic majority in both
                > houses and you could hear that GIANT SUCKING sound as jobs were
                > going to Mexico and Asia back then. A lot of people were
                > "downsized" during those 2 years (and subsequent years).
                >
                > So when it comes to the working class, the Democrats are no better
                > than the Republicans. The only thing they have going for them is
                > the backing of the MAINSTREAM MEDIA.
                >
                > People like yourself are the biggest problem in America today.
                > You expect the government to do everything for them. You would
                > never survive in America 200 years ago, where you had to learn
                > self-reliance. I don't expect anything from the government other
                > than thievery by either of the two major parties (I BELONG TO
                > NEITHER PARTY).
                >
                > If I was as disgruntled as you working at IBM, I would quit and
                > go someplace else. You know you will never get a union in IBM
                > (at least not in the US). IBM is already positioned to move the
                > remainder of its business overseas and just maintain a research
                > and customer support business in the States.
                >
                > BTW, how often do you shop at Wal-Mart and other similar stores
                > and buy all those crappy products "made in China". Even some of
                > the grocery products are being shipped from China. Just remember
                > for every item you buy that was made in China, you have just laid
                > off another union brother. Personally, I go without rather than
                > buy something made in China. That is not to say, I haven't bought
                > something made in some other country - somethimes there is no
                > choice. But I do avoid buying anything made in China, which is
                > the dominant exporter to this country.
                >
                > One last point, the Denmocrats want to give amnesty to all those
                > illegal Mexicans for their vote, yet they do a lot of jobs that
                > union people might have done. Of course, the Republicans are no
                > better as they sit their with their hands under their butts,
                > afraid to alienate these illegals and lose a few precious votes.
                >
                >
                > --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, bboru11 <no_reply@> wrote:
                > >
                > > I have my head firmly on my shoulders.Did you even read the
                article?
                > > Let's be concerned about the present.
                > > If you think the current one party state is beneficial to Labor
                and
                > > the country you are woefully uninformed.
                > >
                > >
                > > --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" <bobc4012@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Get your head out of where the sun doesn't shine.
                > > > Remember the Democrats had control in Clinton's
                > > > first two years and did nothing. Businesses were
                > > > still downsizing people. Remember when Ross Perot
                > > > talked about that "giant sucking sound" and both
                > > > parties and the left-wing mainstream media made
                > > > him out to be a crackpot. Big business donates to
                > > > both parties. Neither party is going to bite the
                > > > hand that feeds them. If you really want to live
                > > > in a SOCIALIST country, then I'd suggest Cuba or
                > > > North Korea. Even China is beginning to see the
                > > > light.
                > > >
                > > > --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, bboru11 <no_reply@> wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > The War on Workers
                > > > > By David Sirota
                > > > > The San Francisco Chronicle
                > > > >
                > > > > Monday 04 September 2006
                > > > >
                > > > > U.S. Education Secretary Rod Paige labeled one "a
                terrorist
                > > > > organization." Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-
                Texas,
                > > > > called them "a clear and present danger to the security of
                the
                > > > > United States." And U.S. Rep. Charles Norwood, R-Ga.,
                claimed
                > > they
                > > > > employ "tyranny that Americans are fighting and dying to
                defeat
                > > in
                > > > > Iraq and Afghanistan" and are thus "enemies of freedom and
                > > > > democracy," who show "why we still need the Second
                Amendment" to
                > > > > defend ourselves with firearms.
                > > > >
                > > > > Who are these supposed threats to America? No, not Osama
                bin
                > > > > Laden followers, but labor unions made up of millions of
                > > workers -
                > > > > janitors, teachers, firefighters, police officers, you name
                it.
                > > > >
                > > > > Bashing organized labor is a Republican pathology, to
                the
                > > point
                > > > > where unions are referenced with terms reserved for military
                > > > > targets. In his 1996 article, headlined "GOP Readies for War
                > > With
                > > > > Big Labor," conservative columnist Robert Novak cheered the
                > > creation
                > > > > of a "GOP committee task force on the labor movement" that
                would
                > > > > pursue a "major assault" on unions. As one Republican
                lawmaker
                > > told
                > > > > Novak, GOP leaders champion an "anti-union attitude that
                appeals
                > > to
                > > > > the mentality of hillbillies at revival meetings."
                > > > >
                > > > > The hostility, while disgusting, is unsurprising. Unions
                > > wield
                > > > > power for workers, meaning they present an obstacle to
                > > Republican
                > > > > corporate donors, who want to put profit-making over other
                > > societal
                > > > > priorities.
                > > > >
                > > > > Think the minimum wage just happened? Think employer-
                paid
                > > health
                > > > > care and pensions have been around for as long as they have
                by
                > > some
                > > > > force of magic? Think again - unions used collective
                bargaining
                > > to
                > > > > preserve these benefits. As the saying goes, union members
                are
                > > the
                > > > > folks that brought you the weekend.
                > > > >
                > > > > The government's numbers explain how unions have helped
                > > their
                > > > > members. According to an analysis of federal data by the
                Labor
                > > > > Research Association, average union members receive a
                quarter
                > > more
                > > > > in compensation than nonunion workers. Eighty-nine percent
                of
                > > union
                > > > > members have access to employer-sponsored health care,
                compared
                > > to
                > > > > just 67 percent of nonunion workers. Unionized workers
                receive
                > > 26
                > > > > percent more vacation than nonunion workers.
                > > > >
                > > > > Unions also benefit nonunion workers. That's thanks to
                > > > > the "union threat effect" whereby anti-union companies meet
                > > higher
                > > > > standards in order to prevent workers from becoming angry
                and
                > > > > organizing. For instance, Princeton researchers found in
                > > industries
                > > > > that are 25 percent unionized, average nonunion workers get
                7.5
                > > > > percent more compensation specifically because of
                unionization's
                > > > > presence.
                > > > >
                > > > > The flip side is obvious: The more corporations and
                > > politicians
                > > > > crush unions, the more all workers suffer. It is no
                coincidence
                > > that
                > > > > as union membership and power has declined under withering
                anti-
                > > > > union attacks, workers have seen their wages stagnate,
                pensions
                > > > > slashed, and share of national income hit a 60-year low. As
                > > Council
                > > > > on Foreign Relations scholars put it, the decline in
                unions "is
                > > > > correlated with the early and sharp widening of the U.S.
                wage
                > > gap."
                > > > >
                > > > > Big Business claims union membership has declined
                because
                > > > > workers do not want to join unions - a claim debunked by
                public-
                > > > > opinion data. In 2002, Harvard University and University of
                > > > > Wisconsin researchers found at least 42 million workers want
                to
                > > be
                > > > > organized into a bargaining unit - more than double the 16
                > > million
                > > > > unionized workers in America. A 2005 nationwide survey by
                > > respected
                > > > > pollster Peter Hart found 53 percent of nonunion workers -
                > > that's
                > > > > more than 50 million people - want to join a union, if given
                the
                > > > > choice.
                > > > >
                > > > > Increasingly, however, workers have no real choice.
                > > According to
                > > > > Cornell University experts, 1 in 4 employers illegally fires
                at
                > > > > least one worker during a union drive, 3 in 4 hire anti-
                union
                > > > > consultants, and 8 in 10 force workers to attend anti-union
                > > > > meetings. When workers petition the government to enforce
                laws
                > > > > protecting organizing rights, they are forced to go before
                the
                > > > > National Labor Relations Board, which is both run by anti-
                union
                > > > > presidential appointees, and chronically understaffed so as
                to
                > > slow
                > > > > down proceedings. When Democrats have tried to expand
                workers'
                > > union
                > > > > rights by introducing the Employee Free Choice Act, the GOP
                has
                > > > > prevented a vote on the legislation.
                > > > >
                > > > > So when GOP lawmakers pledge their commitment to workers
                at
                > > > > Labor Day celebrations today, remember - Republicans are
                waging
                > > a
                > > > > war on the very workers they purport to care about.
                > > > >
                > > >
                > >
                >
              • mr_quarkwrench
                ... ... Probably supplementing his pension with some light consulting for these folks: http://www.irconsultants.com/index.html -- Don
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                  --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, bboru11 <no_reply@...> wrote:
                  <snip>
                  > Also you seem to dislike unions. So why are you here?
                  >

                  Probably supplementing his pension with some light consulting for these
                  folks:

                  http://www.irconsultants.com/index.html

                  -- Don
                • justa_bean_counter
                  ... Good grief Bob. Are you really an IBM r? The reason I ask is because that sentence above has 84 words in it. As the norm, IBM rs are highly educated and
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                    --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" <bobc4012@...> wrote:

                    > Democrats take the unions as their
                    > "god-given right" (notice the lower case for God, because the
                    > left-wing terrorist loving liberal Democrats stacked the Federal
                    > court system with justices who want religion and God kicked out
                    > of the US), BUT when it came to putting their MOUTH WHERE it
                    > counted they sold the unions out (except the teacher's union,
                    > which is another reason why America's children are failing and
                    > under-educated - or did you miss ABC's 20-20 a couple of Fridays
                    > past?). You put a lot of stock in a newspaper article FABRICATED
                    > by a reporter with a POLICITICAL agenda.


                    Good grief Bob.
                    Are you really an IBM'r?

                    The reason I ask is because that sentence above has 84 words in it.
                    As the norm, IBM'rs are highly educated and would tend to write
                    clearly. I'm thinking you are not IBM.
                  • bboru11
                    Bob has been listening to too much right wing radio crap. Liberal this, liberal that. Talk about fabricated political agenda s, the Rush Libaughs and those
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                      Bob has been listening to too much right wing radio crap. Liberal
                      this, liberal that.
                      Talk about fabricated political agenda's, the Rush Libaughs and
                      those like him should get the Goebbels seal of approval.


                      --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, justa_bean_counter <no_reply@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" <bobc4012@> wrote:
                      >
                      > > Democrats take the unions as their
                      > > "god-given right" (notice the lower case for God, because the
                      > > left-wing terrorist loving liberal Democrats stacked the Federal
                      > > court system with justices who want religion and God kicked out
                      > > of the US), BUT when it came to putting their MOUTH WHERE it
                      > > counted they sold the unions out (except the teacher's union,
                      > > which is another reason why America's children are failing and
                      > > under-educated - or did you miss ABC's 20-20 a couple of Fridays
                      > > past?). You put a lot of stock in a newspaper article FABRICATED
                      > > by a reporter with a POLICITICAL agenda.
                      >
                      >
                      > Good grief Bob.
                      > Are you really an IBM'r?
                      >
                      > The reason I ask is because that sentence above has 84 words in
                      it.
                      > As the norm, IBM'rs are highly educated and would tend to write
                      > clearly. I'm thinking you are not IBM.
                      >
                    • mr_quarkwrench
                      ... It is really a sad commentary on US politics today that all the rhetoric is so extreme. Of those that bother to register to vote, there are just about the
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                        --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, bboru11 <no_reply@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Bob has been listening to too much right wing radio crap. Liberal
                        > this, liberal that.
                        > Talk about fabricated political agenda's, the Rush Libaughs and
                        > those like him should get the Goebbels seal of approval.
                        >

                        It is really a sad commentary on US politics today that all the
                        rhetoric is so extreme. Of those that bother to register to vote,
                        there are just about the same number of democrats as republicans and
                        they completely outnumber the so called 'third parties.' If one were
                        to believe what they read, all the democrats are left wing pinko
                        atheist socialists and the republicans are right wing fanatical
                        religious jackbooted fascists.

                        Sadly, most of the republicans and democrats who have managed to get
                        into high public office seem to be self serving corporate lackeys.

                        All of which proves even more that if the middle class is to
                        survive, those that work for wages must have a contract. Hell, Lou
                        Gerstner certainly knew the value of one.

                        -- Don
                      • sbogard
                        I don t like what this guy at irconsultants does. Feel free to contact him: Colon, Edwin ed@irconsultants.com 11613 W. Pico Blvd Los Angeles, CA 90064 US
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                          I don't like what this guy at irconsultants does. Feel free to
                          contact him:

                          Colon, Edwin ed@...
                          11613 W. Pico Blvd
                          Los Angeles, CA 90064
                          US
                          +.3104441188 Fax: +1.3104441191

                          Some of Mr. Ed's engagements:

                          www.alrb.ca.gov/new_indexing/pdfs/5_63(1979)ocr.pdf

                          http://www.nlrb.gov/nlrb/shared_files/decisions/335/335-53.htm

                          After the Teamsters filed its election petition, Daikichi retained
                          the services of a labor consultant, Edwin Colon, to assist
                          Daikichi's East Coast management in the Company's effort to keep the
                          facility nonunion.

                          It appears that Colon suggested that supervisors tell employees that
                          unionization had caused some employers to shut down. Also, Colon
                          urged supervisors to tell employees that Daikichi had "a right to
                          close the plant for economic reasons." So if Daikichi's New York
                          operations ceased being profitable because unionization caused the
                          costs of those operations to rise to the extent that the Company's
                          prices could no longer be competitive, the employees were to be
                          informed, Daikichi "could sell, it could go out of business, it
                          could merge [or] it could downsize" (to quote from Colon's
                          testimony). The significance: for employees whose understanding of
                          English is limited, it must have been easy to misunderstand these
                          arguments, hearing them as threats that Daikichi would close the New
                          York operations if the employees voted to be represented by a union.



                          --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, mr_quarkwrench <no_reply@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, bboru11 <no_reply@> wrote:
                          > <snip>
                          > > Also you seem to dislike unions. So why are you here?
                          > >
                          >
                          > Probably supplementing his pension with some light consulting for
                          these
                          > folks:
                          >
                          > http://www.irconsultants.com/index.html
                          >
                          > -- Don
                          >
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