Re: [iapsm_youthmembers] High Time for IAPSM to ACT - MCI's attitude towards "Community Medicine as a clinical speciality".....
- Dear all,We are in very difficult situation that we are teaching "evidence based medicine" , we are preventing morbidity and mortality from major killers through vaccination, treating infectious diseases like Malaria etc but still our work is considered as Non-clinical!Where is the problem?Dr Manoj TalapalliwarAssistant ProfessorNKPSIMS & RCNagpur
From: Jugal Kishore <drjugalkishore@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [iapsm_youthmembers] High Time for IAPSM to ACT - MCI's attitude towards "Community Medicine as a clinical speciality".....
Dear friendsThe simple way to take this issue is to ask the Andra Pradesh Medical Council to treat this subject as clinical. If they have doubt then they will refer it from MCI and MCI is already uploaded on their website. Once APMC accept then their state universities should accept it. If they (APMC or MCI) are not responding then IAPSM can file RTI and ask the black and white answer in this issue.
At the same time we have to be more Community medicine professional and should not ask recognition rather they should recognize you as omni-specialty professional and vital for individual, community, national and international health.long live wisdom of Community MedicineOn Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:37 PM, saishankar prathap <prathapss@...> wrote:Dear esteemed members,Let me begin this communication by stating my assumption that IAPSM is committed to safeguard the interest of the speciality of Community Medicine.The Andhra Pradesh state chapter of IAPSM-IPHA has been trying to convince the authorities of NTRUHS in Vijayawada to classify Community Medicine as a clinical speciality, citing MCI's Graduate Medical Education regulations as reference (which is available in MCI's website). This University authorities want specific written letter from MCI instructing them to do so. When the AP State Chapter of IAPSM-IPHA represented the matter to MCI, it chose not to respond.I had earlier given an email to this group in the month of April 2012 (subject - 'It is high time to act - Urgent need to make efforts to recognize Community Medicine as a clinical specialty'....) with an appeal to all the members to act in trying to get Community Medicine recognized as a clinical speciality uniformly across all over the country. The members responded with questions such as advantages of Community Medicine as a clinical speciality etc. - I have no idea about any action they have taken.The IPHA conference at Kolkata in February 2013 provided an opportunity for Dr.Krishna Babu from AP to discuss this issue with Dr.Rajesh Kumar of PGIMER Chandigarh. Dr.Rajesh Kumar asked Dr.Arun Agarwal from PGIMER to discuss the issue with MCI as Dr. Arun Agarwal was supposed to attend a meeting with MCI in the very next week.Dr.Arun Agarwal had a discussion with MCI, and the email from Dr.Arun Agarwal following the discussion is as below:--- On Mon, 11/3/13, Arun Aggarwal <aggak63@...> wrote:
From: Arun Aggarwal <aggak63@...>
To: "Rajesh Kumar" <dr.rajeshkumar@...>
Date: Monday, 11 March, 2013, 6:10 PMDear Dr Krishna,I spoke to the deputy secretary over there. She told that MCI do not recognise or derecognise any couse. However, after at length discussion I came to know that MCI considers the couses covered in first profesional as paraclinical, and the courses covered in second professional as pre clinical and the courses of final prof are treated as clinical.However, when I said that PSM is covered in all the three courses, how can you treat it as a subject of first prof and not that of final prof... she persisted that this is how they do it. She said that medical colleges should take recognition from their respective state govts.I feel that this issue should be taken up by our association. We may cover PSM only in final prof. or emphasise the state govts to treat it as clinical....this is all what I can say on the subjectregardsDr Arun K Aggarwal
School of Public Health, andAdditional Medical Superintendent, PGIMER
Phones: 0172-2755218 (o), 2724828 (R)It is very unfortunate that MCI - the Statutory Authority - has not thought much about Community Medicine and have left for the state governments to deal in whatever way they want (to quote from Dr.Arun Agarwal's email - However, when I said that PSM is covered in all the three courses, how can you treat it as a subject of first prof and not that of final prof... she persisted that this is how they do it. She said that medical colleges should take recognition from their respective state govts.)Though this issue has been raised in the IAPSM meetings in the last few conferences, there has been no action taken by IAPSM (national association) as such, other than agreeing that Community Medicine is a clinical speciality.It is high time for IAPSM to ACT.May I request IAPSM members to respond.If we dont care for our speciality, nobody will. It may be nobody's job, but it is everybody's responsibility.SincerelyDr.Sai Shankar PrathapAndhra Pradesh--
Prof. Jugal Kishore
MBBS, MD, PGDCHFWM, PGDEE, MSc., FIAPSM, FIPHA, FAMS,Department of Community Medicine, Maulana Azad Medical College, New Delhi-2Phone: 09968604249Executive Director (Hony): Center for Inquiry (India)Advisory Member of *International Mental Health Collaboration Network
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related to health; A Dictionary of Public Health; Practical and Viva of Community Medicine
Question Bank Community Medicine; Textbook for Health Worker and Auxiliary Nurse MidwifeInequity in India healthcare; Female feticide: An instigating of female statusEffect of educational booklet on depressions; How to prevent and manage your low back pain: A guide for health posture and and lifestyle; A Comprehensive Review of Community MedicineBiomedical Waste Management in India; Breastfeeding and college girlsA Pioneering Social Reformers of India; Great Warriers of Human Rights Movement From India;