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  • saishankar prathap
    Dear esteemed members, Let me begin this communication by stating my assumption that IAPSM is committed to safeguard the interest of the speciality of
    Message 1 of 6 , Mar 12, 2013
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      Dear esteemed members, 

      Let me begin this communication by stating my assumption that IAPSM is committed to safeguard the interest of the speciality of Community Medicine.

      The Andhra Pradesh state chapter of IAPSM-IPHA has been trying to convince the authorities of NTRUHS in Vijayawada to classify Community Medicine as a clinical speciality, citing MCI's Graduate Medical Education regulations as reference (which is available in MCI's website). This University authorities want specific written letter from MCI instructing them to do so. When the AP State Chapter of IAPSM-IPHA represented the matter to MCI, it chose not to respond. 

      I had earlier given an email to this group in the month of April 2012 (subject - 'It is high time to act - Urgent need to make efforts to recognize Community Medicine as a clinical specialty'....) with an appeal to all the members to act in trying to get Community Medicine recognized as a clinical speciality uniformly across all over the country. The members responded with questions such as advantages of Community Medicine as a clinical speciality etc. - I have no idea about any action they have taken. 

      The IPHA conference at Kolkata in February 2013 provided an opportunity for Dr.Krishna Babu from AP to discuss this issue with Dr.Rajesh Kumar of PGIMER Chandigarh. Dr.Rajesh Kumar asked Dr.Arun Agarwal from PGIMER to discuss the issue with MCI as Dr. Arun Agarwal was supposed to attend a meeting with MCI in the very next week.
      Dr.Arun Agarwal had a discussion with MCI, and the email from Dr.Arun Agarwal following the discussion is as below:

      --- On Mon, 11/3/13, Arun Aggarwal <aggak63@...> wrote:

      From: Arun Aggarwal <aggak63@...>
      Subject: Re:
      To: "Rajesh Kumar" <dr.rajeshkumar@...>
      Cc: krishnababu59@...
      Date: Monday, 11 March, 2013, 6:10 PM


      Dear Dr Krishna,
      I spoke to the deputy secretary over there. She told that MCI do not recognise or derecognise any couse. However, after at length discussion I came to know that MCI considers the couses covered in first profesional as paraclinical,  and the courses covered in second professional as pre clinical and the courses of final prof are treated as clinical.

      However, when I said that PSM is covered in all the three courses, how can you treat it as a subject of first prof and not that of final prof... she persisted that this is how they do it. She said that medical colleges should take recognition from their respective state govts.

       I feel that this issue should be taken up by our association. We may cover PSM only in final prof. or emphasise the state govts to treat it as clinical....
      this is all what I can say on the subject
      regards
      Dr Arun K Aggarwal
      Professor
      School of Public Health, and 
      Additional Medical Superintendent, PGIMER
      Chandigarh-160012
      Phones: 0172-2755218 (o), 2724828 (R)

      It is very unfortunate that MCI - the Statutory Authority - has not thought much about Community Medicine and have left for the state governments to deal in whatever way they want (to quote from Dr.Arun Agarwal's email - However, when I said that PSM is covered in all the three courses, how can you treat it as a subject of first prof and not that of final prof... she persisted that this is how they do it. She said that medical colleges should take recognition from their respective state govts.)
      Though this issue has been raised in the IAPSM meetings in the last few conferences, there has been no action taken by IAPSM (national association) as such, other than agreeing that Community Medicine is a clinical speciality.

      It is high time for IAPSM to ACT.

      May I request IAPSM members to respond.

      If we dont care for our speciality, nobody will. It may be nobody's job, but it is everybody's responsibility.

      Sincerely 
      Dr.Sai Shankar Prathap
      Andhra Pradesh

    • Hemant shewade
      Dr Sai Shankar, I am totally with you in this regard.... I would like to take this opportunity to suggest other points that can be added 1. Internal medicine
      Message 2 of 6 , Mar 12, 2013
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        Dr Sai Shankar,

        I am totally with you in this regard....

        I would like to take this opportunity to suggest other points that can be added
        1. Internal medicine paper is in 4th year. but their classes and clinical postings also start from the 2nd year onwards. What difference does it make if our classes start from 1st year onwards.
        2. Like internal medicine faculty practise medicine in hospitals, community medicine / PSM faculty practise medicine in UHTC / RHTC. This includes family medicine (primary/secondary health care), epidemiology, health management and health promotion.

        Some say, how does it matter whether its treated as clinical or not. It matters... The attitude of the administrators will change. At least it will change the attitude of our fraternity. 

        I would like to take this opportunity to address all HoDs of community medicine who are part of this group. Kindly ensure in your respective departments that the practise of community medicine shifts from department to RHTC / UHTC... Majority of the time of PGs must be spent in RHTC and UHTC.... Lets not treat our PGs like glorified tutors involved in MBBS / interns teaching and training. And forget not, our PGs will also work sincerely if they find faculty actively involved in UHTC / RHTC. 

        My personal experience with this as a faculty for one year is that if one pursues to practice community medicine the way it should, administration also falls in place...

        Warm regards.
        Dr Hemant Shewade
        Puducherry.

        Sent from my iPad

        On 12-Mar-2013, at 18:37, saishankar prathap <prathapss@...> wrote:

         

        Dear esteemed members, 


        Let me begin this communication by stating my assumption that IAPSM is committed to safeguard the interest of the speciality of Community Medicine.

        The Andhra Pradesh state chapter of IAPSM-IPHA has been trying to convince the authorities of NTRUHS in Vijayawada to classify Community Medicine as a clinical speciality, citing MCI's Graduate Medical Education regulations as reference (which is available in MCI's website). This University authorities want specific written letter from MCI instructing them to do so. When the AP State Chapter of IAPSM-IPHA represented the matter to MCI, it chose not to respond. 

        I had earlier given an email to this group in the month of April 2012 (subject - 'It is high time to act - Urgent need to make efforts to recognize Community Medicine as a clinical specialty'....) with an appeal to all the members to act in trying to get Community Medicine recognized as a clinical speciality uniformly across all over the country. The members responded with questions such as advantages of Community Medicine as a clinical speciality etc. - I have no idea about any action they have taken. 

        The IPHA conference at Kolkata in February 2013 provided an opportunity for Dr.Krishna Babu from AP to discuss this issue with Dr.Rajesh Kumar of PGIMER Chandigarh. Dr.Rajesh Kumar asked Dr.Arun Agarwal from PGIMER to discuss the issue with MCI as Dr. Arun Agarwal was supposed to attend a meeting with MCI in the very next week.
        Dr.Arun Agarwal had a discussion with MCI, and the email from Dr.Arun Agarwal following the discussion is as below:

        --- On Mon, 11/3/13, Arun Aggarwal <aggak63@...> wrote:

        From: Arun Aggarwal <aggak63@...>
        Subject: Re:
        To: "Rajesh Kumar" <dr.rajeshkumar@...>
        Cc: krishnababu59@...
        Date: Monday, 11 March, 2013, 6:10 PM


        Dear Dr Krishna,
        I spoke to the deputy secretary over there. She told that MCI do not recognise or derecognise any couse. However, after at length discussion I came to know that MCI considers the couses covered in first profesional as paraclinical,  and the courses covered in second professional as pre clinical and the courses of final prof are treated as clinical.

        However, when I said that PSM is covered in all the three courses, how can you treat it as a subject of first prof and not that of final prof... she persisted that this is how they do it. She said that medical colleges should take recognition from their respective state govts.

         I feel that this issue should be taken up by our association. We may cover PSM only in final prof. or emphasise the state govts to treat it as clinical....
        this is all what I can say on the subject
        regards
        Dr Arun K Aggarwal
        Professor
        School of Public Health, and 
        Additional Medical Superintendent, PGIMER
        Chandigarh-160012
        Phones: 0172-2755218 (o), 2724828 (R)

        It is very unfortunate that MCI - the Statutory Authority - has not thought much about Community Medicine and have left for the state governments to deal in whatever way they want (to quote from Dr.Arun Agarwal's email - However, when I said that PSM is covered in all the three courses, how can you treat it as a subject of first prof and not that of final prof... she persisted that this is how they do it. She said that medical colleges should take recognition from their respective state govts.)
        Though this issue has been raised in the IAPSM meetings in the last few conferences, there has been no action taken by IAPSM (national association) as such, other than agreeing that Community Medicine is a clinical speciality.

        It is high time for IAPSM to ACT.

        May I request IAPSM members to respond.

        If we dont care for our speciality, nobody will. It may be nobody's job, but it is everybody's responsibility.

        Sincerely 
        Dr.Sai Shankar Prathap
        Andhra Pradesh

      • Dr Sitaram Gupta
        Dear all definitely its high time for us to collect togather and raise the voice for our subject. Dr sitaram gupta
        Message 3 of 6 , Mar 12, 2013
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          Dear all definitely its high time for us to collect togather and raise the voice for our subject.
          Dr sitaram gupta
        • Jugal Kishore
          Dear friends The simple way to take this issue is to ask the Andra Pradesh Medical Council to treat this subject as clinical. If they have doubt then they will
          Message 4 of 6 , Mar 12, 2013
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            Dear friends 
            The simple way to take this issue is to ask the Andra Pradesh Medical Council to treat this subject as clinical. If they have doubt then they will refer it from MCI and MCI is already uploaded on their website. Once APMC accept then their state universities should accept it. If they (APMC or MCI) are not responding then IAPSM can file RTI and ask the black and white answer in this issue.
             
            At the same time we have to be more Community medicine professional and should not ask recognition rather they should recognize you as omni-specialty professional and vital for individual, community, national and international health.   

            long live wisdom of Community Medicine

            On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:37 PM, saishankar prathap <prathapss@...> wrote:
             

            Dear esteemed members, 


            Let me begin this communication by stating my assumption that IAPSM is committed to safeguard the interest of the speciality of Community Medicine.

            The Andhra Pradesh state chapter of IAPSM-IPHA has been trying to convince the authorities of NTRUHS in Vijayawada to classify Community Medicine as a clinical speciality, citing MCI's Graduate Medical Education regulations as reference (which is available in MCI's website). This University authorities want specific written letter from MCI instructing them to do so. When the AP State Chapter of IAPSM-IPHA represented the matter to MCI, it chose not to respond. 

            I had earlier given an email to this group in the month of April 2012 (subject - 'It is high time to act - Urgent need to make efforts to recognize Community Medicine as a clinical specialty'....) with an appeal to all the members to act in trying to get Community Medicine recognized as a clinical speciality uniformly across all over the country. The members responded with questions such as advantages of Community Medicine as a clinical speciality etc. - I have no idea about any action they have taken. 

            The IPHA conference at Kolkata in February 2013 provided an opportunity for Dr.Krishna Babu from AP to discuss this issue with Dr.Rajesh Kumar of PGIMER Chandigarh. Dr.Rajesh Kumar asked Dr.Arun Agarwal from PGIMER to discuss the issue with MCI as Dr. Arun Agarwal was supposed to attend a meeting with MCI in the very next week.
            Dr.Arun Agarwal had a discussion with MCI, and the email from Dr.Arun Agarwal following the discussion is as below:

            --- On Mon, 11/3/13, Arun Aggarwal <aggak63@...> wrote:

            From: Arun Aggarwal <aggak63@...>
            Subject: Re:
            To: "Rajesh Kumar" <dr.rajeshkumar@...>
            Cc: krishnababu59@...
            Date: Monday, 11 March, 2013, 6:10 PM


            Dear Dr Krishna,
            I spoke to the deputy secretary over there. She told that MCI do not recognise or derecognise any couse. However, after at length discussion I came to know that MCI considers the couses covered in first profesional as paraclinical,  and the courses covered in second professional as pre clinical and the courses of final prof are treated as clinical.

            However, when I said that PSM is covered in all the three courses, how can you treat it as a subject of first prof and not that of final prof... she persisted that this is how they do it. She said that medical colleges should take recognition from their respective state govts.

             I feel that this issue should be taken up by our association. We may cover PSM only in final prof. or emphasise the state govts to treat it as clinical....
            this is all what I can say on the subject
            regards
            Dr Arun K Aggarwal
            Professor
            School of Public Health, and 
            Additional Medical Superintendent, PGIMER
            Chandigarh-160012
            Phones: 0172-2755218 (o), 2724828 (R)

            It is very unfortunate that MCI - the Statutory Authority - has not thought much about Community Medicine and have left for the state governments to deal in whatever way they want (to quote from Dr.Arun Agarwal's email - However, when I said that PSM is covered in all the three courses, how can you treat it as a subject of first prof and not that of final prof... she persisted that this is how they do it. She said that medical colleges should take recognition from their respective state govts.)
            Though this issue has been raised in the IAPSM meetings in the last few conferences, there has been no action taken by IAPSM (national association) as such, other than agreeing that Community Medicine is a clinical speciality.

            It is high time for IAPSM to ACT.

            May I request IAPSM members to respond.

            If we dont care for our speciality, nobody will. It may be nobody's job, but it is everybody's responsibility.

            Sincerely 
            Dr.Sai Shankar Prathap
            Andhra Pradesh




            --
            Prof. Jugal Kishore
            MBBS, MD, PGDCHFWM, PGDEE, MSc., FIAPSM, FIPHA, FAMS,
            Department of Community Medicine, Maulana Azad Medical College, New Delhi-2
            Phone: 09968604249
            Executive Director (Hony): Center for Inquiry (India) 
            Advisory Member of *International Mental Health Collaboration Network 
            (IMHCN)*
            President (Hony): Kishore Foundations, Sabasva Foundation,

            Editor (Hony): Journal of Nursing Science and Practice, Research Review: Journal of Health Professions, Journal of Energy, Environment and Carbon Credit, Journal of Medicine,   

            Author of following books: 
            National Health Programs of India: National Policies and Legislations
            related to health; A Dictionary of Public Health; Practical and Viva of Community Medicine
            Question Bank Community Medicine; Textbook for Health Worker and Auxiliary Nurse Midwife  
            Inequity in India healthcare; Female feticide: An instigating of female status 
            Effect of educational booklet on depressions; How to prevent and manage your low back pain: A guide for health posture and and lifestyle; A Comprehensive Review of Community Medicine
            Biomedical Waste Management in India; Breastfeeding and college girls 
            A Pioneering Social Reformers of India; Great Warriers of Human Rights Movement From India;
            Vanishing Girl Child; Living With out God; Bhavnayen (An anthology of poems in Hindi)

            For my books please Visit http://centurypublications.co.in, http://centurypublications.blogspot.com 
            or contact: 09868010950

          • MANOJ TALAPALLIWAR
            Dear all, We are in very difficult situation that we are teaching evidence based medicine , we are preventing morbidity and mortality from major killers
            Message 5 of 6 , Mar 12, 2013
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              Dear all,
              We are in very difficult situation that we are teaching "evidence based medicine" , we are preventing morbidity and mortality from major killers through vaccination, treating infectious diseases like Malaria etc but still our work is considered as Non-clinical!
              Where is the problem?



              Dr Manoj Talapalliwar
              Assistant Professor
              NKPSIMS & RC
              Nagpur


              From: Jugal Kishore <drjugalkishore@...>
              To: iapsm_youthmembers@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:47 PM
              Subject: Re: [iapsm_youthmembers] High Time for IAPSM to ACT - MCI's attitude towards "Community Medicine as a clinical speciality".....

               
              Dear friends 
              The simple way to take this issue is to ask the Andra Pradesh Medical Council to treat this subject as clinical. If they have doubt then they will refer it from MCI and MCI is already uploaded on their website. Once APMC accept then their state universities should accept it. If they (APMC or MCI) are not responding then IAPSM can file RTI and ask the black and white answer in this issue.
               
              At the same time we have to be more Community medicine professional and should not ask recognition rather they should recognize you as omni-specialty professional and vital for individual, community, national and international health.   

              long live wisdom of Community Medicine

              On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:37 PM, saishankar prathap <prathapss@...> wrote:
               
              Dear esteemed members, 

              Let me begin this communication by stating my assumption that IAPSM is committed to safeguard the interest of the speciality of Community Medicine.

              The Andhra Pradesh state chapter of IAPSM-IPHA has been trying to convince the authorities of NTRUHS in Vijayawada to classify Community Medicine as a clinical speciality, citing MCI's Graduate Medical Education regulations as reference (which is available in MCI's website). This University authorities want specific written letter from MCI instructing them to do so. When the AP State Chapter of IAPSM-IPHA represented the matter to MCI, it chose not to respond. 

              I had earlier given an email to this group in the month of April 2012 (subject - 'It is high time to act - Urgent need to make efforts to recognize Community Medicine as a clinical specialty'....) with an appeal to all the members to act in trying to get Community Medicine recognized as a clinical speciality uniformly across all over the country. The members responded with questions such as advantages of Community Medicine as a clinical speciality etc. - I have no idea about any action they have taken. 

              The IPHA conference at Kolkata in February 2013 provided an opportunity for Dr.Krishna Babu from AP to discuss this issue with Dr.Rajesh Kumar of PGIMER Chandigarh. Dr.Rajesh Kumar asked Dr.Arun Agarwal from PGIMER to discuss the issue with MCI as Dr. Arun Agarwal was supposed to attend a meeting with MCI in the very next week.
              Dr.Arun Agarwal had a discussion with MCI, and the email from Dr.Arun Agarwal following the discussion is as below:

              --- On Mon, 11/3/13, Arun Aggarwal <aggak63@...> wrote:

              From: Arun Aggarwal <aggak63@...>
              Subject: Re:
              To: "Rajesh Kumar" <dr.rajeshkumar@...>
              Cc: krishnababu59@...
              Date: Monday, 11 March, 2013, 6:10 PM


              Dear Dr Krishna,
              I spoke to the deputy secretary over there. She told that MCI do not recognise or derecognise any couse. However, after at length discussion I came to know that MCI considers the couses covered in first profesional as paraclinical,  and the courses covered in second professional as pre clinical and the courses of final prof are treated as clinical.

              However, when I said that PSM is covered in all the three courses, how can you treat it as a subject of first prof and not that of final prof... she persisted that this is how they do it. She said that medical colleges should take recognition from their respective state govts.

               I feel that this issue should be taken up by our association. We may cover PSM only in final prof. or emphasise the state govts to treat it as clinical....
              this is all what I can say on the subject
              regards
              Dr Arun K Aggarwal
              Professor
              School of Public Health, and 
              Additional Medical Superintendent, PGIMER
              Chandigarh-160012
              Phones: 0172-2755218 (o), 2724828 (R)

              It is very unfortunate that MCI - the Statutory Authority - has not thought much about Community Medicine and have left for the state governments to deal in whatever way they want (to quote from Dr.Arun Agarwal's email - However, when I said that PSM is covered in all the three courses, how can you treat it as a subject of first prof and not that of final prof... she persisted that this is how they do it. She said that medical colleges should take recognition from their respective state govts.)
              Though this issue has been raised in the IAPSM meetings in the last few conferences, there has been no action taken by IAPSM (national association) as such, other than agreeing that Community Medicine is a clinical speciality.

              It is high time for IAPSM to ACT.

              May I request IAPSM members to respond.

              If we dont care for our speciality, nobody will. It may be nobody's job, but it is everybody's responsibility.

              Sincerely 
              Dr.Sai Shankar Prathap
              Andhra Pradesh




              --
              Prof. Jugal Kishore
              MBBS, MD, PGDCHFWM, PGDEE, MSc., FIAPSM, FIPHA, FAMS,
              Department of Community Medicine, Maulana Azad Medical College, New Delhi-2
              Phone: 09968604249
              Executive Director (Hony): Center for Inquiry (India) 
              Advisory Member of *International Mental Health Collaboration Network 
              (IMHCN)*
              President (Hony): Kishore Foundations, Sabasva Foundation,

              Editor (Hony): Journal of Nursing Science and Practice, Research Review: Journal of Health Professions, Journal of Energy, Environment and Carbon Credit, Journal of Medicine,   

              Author of following books: 
              National Health Programs of India: National Policies and Legislations
              related to health; A Dictionary of Public Health; Practical and Viva of Community Medicine
              Question Bank Community Medicine; Textbook for Health Worker and Auxiliary Nurse Midwife  
              Inequity in India healthcare; Female feticide: An instigating of female status 
              Effect of educational booklet on depressions; How to prevent and manage your low back pain: A guide for health posture and and lifestyle; A Comprehensive Review of Community Medicine
              Biomedical Waste Management in India; Breastfeeding and college girls 
              A Pioneering Social Reformers of India; Great Warriers of Human Rights Movement From India;
              Vanishing Girl Child; Living With out God; Bhavnayen (An anthology of poems in Hindi)

              For my books please Visit http://centurypublications.co.in, http://centurypublications.blogspot.com 
              or contact: 09868010950



            • saishankar prathap
              Dear friends, The issue is not just about the experience of Andhra Pradesh State Chapter of IAPSM-IPHA. It is about: 1. The lack of clarity regarding the
              Message 6 of 6 , Mar 13, 2013
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                Dear friends,

                The issue is not just about the experience of Andhra Pradesh State
                Chapter of IAPSM-IPHA. It is about:

                1. The lack of clarity regarding the speciality at all levels -
                individual institutions, Universities, State Medical Councils and even
                MCI.

                2. Absence of a clear cut guideline from MCI regarding Community
                Medicine as a clinical speciality. Though all the versions of the MCI
                GME mention Community Medicine as a clinical speciality, University
                VCs and institution heads fail to implement it and MCI representatives
                dont want to discuss it or act on it for reasons known only to them.

                3. The understanding and implementation should not vary from one state
                to another, but should be uniform across the entire country.

                4. Finally, IAPSM must act to persuade MCI to come up with a uniform
                guideline and implement it across all over the country. IAPSM has been
                discussing about community medicine as a clinical speciality in the
                meetings during past few national conferences but has not acted so
                far. Its time for the association to not restrict itself in just
                discussions amongst its members or office bearers but take it forward
                with MCI/MoHFW

                5. Once again I appeal you all to act on this.

                Regards
                Dr.Sai Shankar Prathap


                On 3/12/13, Jugal Kishore <drjugalkishore@...> wrote:
                > Dear friends
                > The simple way to take this issue is to ask the Andra Pradesh Medical
                > Council to treat this subject as clinical. If they have doubt then they
                > will refer it from MCI and MCI is already uploaded on their website. Once
                > APMC accept then their state universities should accept it. If they (APMC
                > or MCI) are not responding then IAPSM can file RTI and ask the black and
                > white answer in this issue.
                >
                > At the same time we have to be more Community medicine professional and
                > should not ask recognition rather they should recognize you as
                > omni-specialty professional and vital for individual, community, national
                > and international health.
                >
                > long live wisdom of Community Medicine
                >
                > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:37 PM, saishankar prathap
                > <prathapss@...>wrote:
                >
                >> **
                >>
                >>
                >> Dear esteemed members,
                >>
                >> Let me begin this communication by stating my assumption that IAPSM is
                >> committed to safeguard the interest of the speciality of Community
                >> Medicine.
                >>
                >> The Andhra Pradesh state chapter of IAPSM-IPHA has been trying to
                >> convince
                >> the authorities of NTRUHS in Vijayawada to classify Community Medicine as
                >> a
                >> clinical speciality, citing MCI's Graduate Medical Education regulations
                >> as
                >> reference (which is available in MCI's website). This University
                >> authorities want specific written letter from MCI instructing them to do
                >> so. When the AP State Chapter of IAPSM-IPHA represented the matter to
                >> MCI,
                >> it chose not to respond.
                >>
                >> I had earlier given an email to this group in the month of April 2012
                >> (subject - 'It is high time to act - Urgent need to make efforts to
                >> recognize Community Medicine as a clinical specialty'....) with an appeal
                >> to all the members to act in trying to get Community Medicine recognized
                >> as
                >> a clinical speciality uniformly across all over the country. The members
                >> responded with questions such as advantages of Community Medicine as a
                >> clinical speciality etc. - I have no idea about any action they have
                >> taken.
                >>
                >> The IPHA conference at Kolkata in February 2013 provided an opportunity
                >> for Dr.Krishna Babu from AP to discuss this issue with Dr.Rajesh Kumar of
                >> PGIMER Chandigarh. Dr.Rajesh Kumar asked Dr.Arun Agarwal from PGIMER to
                >> discuss the issue with MCI as Dr. Arun Agarwal was supposed to attend a
                >> meeting with MCI in the very next week.
                >> Dr.Arun Agarwal had a discussion with MCI, and the email from Dr.Arun
                >> Agarwal following the discussion is as below:
                >>
                >> --- On *Mon, 11/3/13, Arun Aggarwal <aggak63@...>* wrote:
                >>
                >>
                >> From: Arun Aggarwal <aggak63@...>
                >> Subject: Re:
                >> To: "Rajesh Kumar" <dr.rajeshkumar@...>
                >> Cc: krishnababu59@...
                >> Date: Monday, 11 March, 2013, 6:10 PM
                >>
                >>
                >> Dear Dr Krishna,
                >> I spoke to the deputy secretary over there. She told that MCI do not
                >> recognise or derecognise any couse. However, after at length discussion I
                >> came to know that MCI considers the couses covered in first profesional
                >> as
                >> paraclinical, and the courses covered in second professional as pre
                >> clinical and the courses of final prof are treated as clinical.
                >>
                >> However, when I said that PSM is covered in all the three courses, how
                >> can
                >> you treat it as a subject of first prof and not that of final prof... she
                >> persisted that this is how they do it. She said that medical colleges
                >> should take recognition from their respective state govts.
                >>
                >> I feel that this issue should be taken up by our association. We may
                >> cover PSM only in final prof. or emphasise the state govts to treat it as
                >> clinical....
                >> this is all what I can say on the subject
                >> regards
                >> Dr Arun K Aggarwal
                >> Professor
                >> School of Public Health, and
                >> Additional Medical Superintendent, PGIMER
                >> Chandigarh-160012
                >> Phones: 0172-2755218 (o), 2724828 (R)
                >>
                >> It is very unfortunate that MCI - the Statutory Authority - has not
                >> thought much about Community Medicine and have left for the state
                >> governments to deal in whatever way they want (to quote from Dr.Arun
                >> Agarwal's email - However, when I said that PSM is covered in all the
                >> three courses, how can you treat it as a subject of first prof and not
                >> that
                >> of final prof... she persisted that this is how they do it. She said that
                >> medical colleges should take recognition from their respective state
                >> govts.)
                >> *Though this issue has been raised in the IAPSM meetings in the last few
                >> conferences, there has been no action taken by IAPSM (national
                >> association)
                >> as such, other than agreeing that Community Medicine is a clinical
                >> speciality.*
                >>
                >> It is high time for IAPSM to *ACT*.
                >>
                >> May I request IAPSM members to respond.
                >>
                >> *If we dont care for our speciality, nobody will. It may be nobody's job,
                >> but it is everybody's responsibility.*
                >>
                >> Sincerely
                >> Dr.Sai Shankar Prathap
                >> Andhra Pradesh
                >>
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                >
                >
                >
                > --
                > *Prof. Jugal Kishore*
                > MBBS, MD, PGDCHFWM, PGDEE, MSc., FIAPSM, FIPHA, FAMS,
                > Department of Community Medicine, Maulana Azad Medical College, New Delhi-2
                > Phone: 09968604249
                > Executive Director (Hony): Center for Inquiry (India)
                > Advisory Member of *International Mental Health Collaboration Network
                > (IMHCN)*
                > President (Hony): Kishore Foundations, Sabasva Foundation,
                >
                > Editor (Hony): Journal of Nursing Science and Practice, Research Review:
                > Journal of Health Professions, Journal of Energy, Environment and Carbon
                > Credit, Journal of Medicine,
                > *
                > *
                > *Author of following books:*
                > National Health Programs of India: National Policies and Legislations
                > related to health; A Dictionary of Public Health; Practical and Viva of
                > Community Medicine
                > Question Bank Community Medicine; Textbook for Health Worker
                > and Auxiliary Nurse Midwife
                > Inequity in India healthcare; Female feticide: An instigating of female
                > status
                > Effect of educational booklet on depressions; How to prevent and manage
                > your low back pain: A guide for health posture and and lifestyle; A
                > Comprehensive Review of Community Medicine
                > Biomedical Waste Management in India; Breastfeeding and college girls
                > A Pioneering Social Reformers of India; Great Warriers of Human Rights
                > Movement From India;
                > Vanishing Girl Child; Living With out God; Bhavnayen (An anthology of poems
                > in Hindi)
                >
                > For my books please Visit http://centurypublications.co.in,
                > http://centurypublications.blogspot.com
                > or contact: 09868010950
                >
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