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3869Re: [iapsm_youthmembers] Re: MCI recognition, a must?

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  • Omesh Bharti
    Oct 28, 2011
      Dear Dr. Ritesh,
                             Everyday I go to my dog bite clinic and vaccinate 20-30 patients, isn't it clinical medicine. People from far off places come to our clinic as the treatment here is cheaper as we follow Intradermal method and only 370/- rupees are to be spent for entire course od more than 2200/- if we give IM.
      May be you would not believe, many medical specialists keep on enquiring from me regarding vaccination schedule to be folloed in different situations, including the ones when patient is unable to purchase immunoglobulins.
      Public health is not leser than clinical medicine and we should have faih on it and also the capacity to deliver .... and faith on our abilities....

      Dr. Omesh Kumar Bharti

      OSD, Emergency Medical Response and Transport,

      Directorate of Health, Kasumpati,

      SHIMLA, Himachal Pradesh, India.

      bhartiomesh@...; bhartiomesh@...


      --- On Fri, 28/10/11, Ritesh Singh <docriteshsingh@...> wrote:

      From: Ritesh Singh <docriteshsingh@...>
      Subject: Re: [iapsm_youthmembers] Re: MCI recognition, a must?
      To: iapsm_youthmembers@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Friday, 28 October, 2011, 5:55 PM

      its true that MCI has given the Community Medicine the "Privileged" status of clinical discipline. but we all know how much we do clinical medicine. it looks good just on paper and telling our friends of other branches. i think we should stop yelling that it is a clinical discipline and accept the truth. beating the drums about community medicine as clinical discipline is fooling ourselves and making fun of ourselves in front of others.
      i know some opportunistic community medicine people who when confronted with disgruntled patient says "we do not see patients, thats not our fault"!!!! otherwise they say they belong to a clinical discipline 
      these are my personal opinions. i am sorry of it has hurt anybody.

      On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Aakash Shrivastava <dr.aakash.shrivastava@...> wrote:
      Dear All
      I agree with Dr Sood to the point he is trying to make upon how "individuals" and "regions" make difference. I have heard of extraordinary achievements made by Kangra district and some professionals. 
      But when we are discussing "population health", we are not discussing "individuals' health" . We differentiate by not trying to generalize few "case studies" to epidemiology of "marginalization". Just because my wife has no issues, I do not conclude that there is no "marginalization" against female gender in modern India. A social issue is usually not measurable and reading documentations (RTI answer by MCI) are no way to understand them. DNB by Indian Supreme Court documentations has the same status as MD degree, but you only need to ask a few to know whether these professionals have been given the equal status.
      A fundamental issue in "inequity" is that people perceive it not based on "absolute values" but "relative values". So this reminds me of an interesting incident to which I was a witness. An army officer has arrested a Nagaland rebel and asks him, why the heck are you doing militancy ? Tell me, I have lived here for long and can understand your issues. The Rebel smilingly replies, "to understand us, you need to have the face of a Naga" !!!      

      --- In iapsm_youthmembers@yahoogroups.com, Dr RK Sood <drrksood@...> wrote:
      > Friends,
      > I disagree with the Terms "clinical discipline, marginalisation". As per MCI
      > Community Medicine is a clinical discipline. If you are amazed, do a RTI to
      > MCI yourself and get the answer.
      > With the emergence of public health, more and more people are opting for
      > public health by first choice and good talent is coming into this stream.
      > The choice of MD and MPH is rather difficult, but as community medicine, I
      > stand by my conviction that if you got the talent, there is NO DEARTH OF
      > WORK.
      > In HP, the trained professional are put to planning post and other public
      > health assignments if they prove the worth. However, a mere degree does not
      > confer any privileges.
      > Dr RK Sood
      > (MAE) Epidemiologist
      > District AIDS Programme Officer
      > Kangra at Dharamshala,
      > District Kangra Himachal Pradesh, India
      > Mobile: +91 9418064077
      > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Ritesh Singh docriteshsingh@...wrote:
      > > **

      > >
      > >
      > > i absolutely agree with dr akash srivastava
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:47 AM, Aakash Shrivastava <
      > > dr.aakash.shrivastava@... wrote:
      > >
      > >> **
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> *Dear Dr Radha*
      > >> *Dr Sood has very politely explained you the difference. I put it in

      > >> sociological perspective. As an intern who has along way to go, you need to
      > >> be careful in planning your future. Choosing Public Health, over Clinical
      > >> Subjects for post-graduation is first step to "marginalization". In public
      > >> health, choosing a non-M.D. degree qualification is a "double disadvantage".
      > >> This disadvantage would only have a "cumulative effect" as you progress in
      > >> your career, unless you choose to leave the borders of India ! That is the
      > >> only time it gains advantage.*
      > >> *Expecting that MCI or any other organisation will ever change

      > >> its skepticism to this issue is like asking too much. I do not think there
      > >> is any possibility for next one or two more generations. In India,
      > >> decisions on public health are taken firstly by bureaucrats, the next level
      > >> of decision is by Technocrats trained as Clinicians. Then comes the Public
      > >> Health trained professionals. So policy changes in India on this issue isn't
      > >> going to happen. Yes, International agencies agree to give opportunities,
      > >> but only to the point when you have a non-Indian on selection board. The
      > >> bias for a M.D. candidate is going to be strong. So its better you spent
      > >> your present days competing for a post graduation in clinical discipline. E
      > >> **ven if your ultimate wish to serve the field of public health, in **long
      > >> run this would be a better way to do so. *

      > >>
      > >> --- In iapsm_youthmembers@yahoogroups.com, Radha Valaulikar radharadha@
      > >> wrote:
      > >> >
      > >> > Dear IAPSM youth members group,
      > >> >
      > >> > I learnt that he MPH (Masters in Public Health) course offered by
      > >> various
      > >> > institutes across India is not recognised by the MCI. What are its
      > >> > implications? What all can a MPH person *not* do because his course is
      > >> not
      > >>
      > >> > recognised by the Medical Council of India? I'll be thankful if somebody
      > >> can
      > >> > please answer my query.....
      > >> >
      > >> > Thank you very much
      > >> >
      > >> > Dr.Radha Valaulikar
      > >> > Intern, GMC-Goa
      > >> > radharadha@
      > >> > 09881202353
      > >> >
      > >>
      > >>
      > >
      > >
      > > --
      > > 
      > >
      > >

      Dr. Ritesh Singh MD (AIIMS)
      Assistant Professor,
      Department of Community Medicine,
      College of Medicine and J. N. M. Hospital,
      Kalyani, Nadia, West Bengal.
      Mobile: 9836444242

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